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Carl Spackler
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 02:38:19 AM
How long do you think it will be before they start producing porn in the new 4K (ultra hd) format.
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JigglyBoobs
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 04:59:54 AM
It depends on how long it takes for 4K production to become affordable. At the same time, the much larger file size will have implications in terms of internet bandwidth and storage capacities.

Hopefully people will see this as the next step from 1080p/Full HD rather than as something to take on from the gimmick of 3D.

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leatherface
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 08:28:14 AM
I've already seen a site that produces ultra hd porn.
Here
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N00dlesDaddy
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 03:33:23 PM
Always baffles me when you see "shot in HD" on a DVD box cover. A DVD 9 (4.7 GB) can only ever be standard def so it's a meaningless proclamation - isn't it?
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Vawkes
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 04:45:24 PM
I would like to think porn studios have 'Ultra HD' in their plans already, and that material becomes available to us by this time next year.

It will be a slow transition. Many people are still getting over the move to our current high definition format, and until the 4K screen becomes more commonly available (in computers especially), studios won't waste time and money on a product that people won't buy.

Digital Playground have been filming with 4K cameras for a while apparently, which probably explains why their Blu-ray content looks so sharp. I wish other studios were following suit in the way DP are filming.

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Gambo192
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 06:05:16 PM
I have a question..is a 4K vid well playable on an average 1080p screen?!
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JigglyBoobs
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 07:00:03 PM
^ With true 4K, probably not as colour depth on 4K is higher than that of 1080p. However if the playback device can downscale 4K to 1080p, you should be OK.
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JigglyBoobs
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Posted - Nov 12 2013 : 07:06:27 PM


N00dlesDaddy wrote:
Always baffles me when you see "shot in HD" on a DVD box cover. A DVD 9 (4.7 GB) can only ever be standard def so it's a meaningless proclamation - isn't it?

Actually, no it's not a meaningless proclamation. Not in itself anyway. DVD9 (8.5 GB) and DVD5 (4.7 GB) are just storage media. You can put HD content on both but their comparatively limited storage capacities and force you to reduce the length of video you put on them or the video bit rate.

For content to be shot in HD gives you more flexibility in post production to downscale to DVD resolution with a less perceptible loss of quality than you would have shooting in SD.

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N00dlesDaddy
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Posted - Nov 13 2013 : 02:26:45 PM
^Sir, I salute your superior knowledge.
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billybob
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 05:32:24 AM


Carl Spackler wrote:
How long do you think it will be before they start producing porn in the new 4K (ultra hd) format.

Naughty America has started releasing porn in 4K (Ultra HD 2160p). I estimate they have around 40 or so scenes in 4k 2160p MP4 format.

Another company called Huccio is also going to start releasing it soon as well. I read an article that suggests Pink Visual is considering it.

Porn company Naughty America announces plans to shoot 4K videos
By Katie Drummond on January 11, 2014 03:51 pm Email @katiedrumm

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/11/5299032/naughty-america-porn-4K-videos

Naughty America 4K

http://naughtyamerica4k.com/

Huccio

http://www.huccio.com/

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pat362
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 11:18:43 AM
I can't speak for Huccio because they aren't online yet and I haven't seen any 4K NA scenes yet so I'll reserve judgement until I see it but the Pink Visual news is pretty funny when you consider that they don't shoot porn anymore. Just take a look at their site and it will quickly become obvious that all they now do is recycle old content.

I'm already not a fan of the current 1080P HD content because that resolution has a bad habit of revealing the various skin blemishes that were once invisible in the lower resolution so anything higher is just asking for more trouble.

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ninja1
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 01:07:37 PM
At a certain point it just becomes tech for the sake of tech, for the sake of selling new computers, new TV screens, new cameras, new faster internet service. IMO the technology has already surpassed the abilities of the directors/producers/cameramen to capitalize on it. Yes, super-duper definition can get you a clearer sharper picture(after you purchase all the requisite new gadgetry), but if the production values and camerawork remain typically mediocre, what's the point?
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Amateur A2M Fan
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 01:10:40 PM
We can't even get hardcore releases on Bluray! I don't see them shooting or releasing in 4k in the next century.
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pat362
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 01:16:42 PM
^^I think you've answered your own question without realising it. The simple truth is that porn producers are either unable or unwilling to look at the real problem which is that todays porn is for the most part mediocre and I'm probably kind in saying that. So instead of tackling what must be a huge problem. They instead look to new technologies. Of course it won't work but that gives them a something to talk about instead of how to make porn better or at the very least make theirs different from the rest.
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TairyHesticles
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 02:53:01 PM
i have the same opinion as pat362. full hd has already a too good picture quality for me, especially from pov/closeup directors. i usually stream/download 720p or less because it's faster, takes up less space and the resolution is high enough.
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N00dlesDaddy
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 03:45:35 PM
Why 4K TVs are stupid
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Goldstein
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 04:50:55 PM
For now, the file size and bandwidth issues make 4k a non-starter for the typical download porn via the Internet business model.
ISP bandwidth limits and throttling will also be a major hurdle to Internet based distribution (for small players like porn studios). Once Comcast et al defeat net neutrality, and start selling major players like Amazon and Netflix competition-killing pipelines, small players with large files to move will be at a distinct disadvantage and slower downloads.

Also, a single 4k video will exceed the capacity of single-layer DVDs.
And, should porn producers decide to edit single 4k scenes to a length (size) that will fit to a single-layer DVD, I don't see people being willing to pay for it -- since all they would get on a standard DVD is a file (or files) they would still need to transfer to decent computer with plenty of RAM running Windows 7 or later, with a quality video player software (e.g. PowerDVD 13), or a video editing program capable of burning 4k Blu-ray movies for playback on 4k capable Blu-ray disk players.

That's a long-winded way of saying that, IMHO, in order to cash-in on the 4k porn market, studios will need to really begin marketing Blu-ray disks.

And, why would a porn studio make the substantial investment into 4k hardware and production, when everything they produce will get ripped and be online for illegal download at 1080p HD quality within three days of the street date?

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Idlewild66
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 07:55:56 PM


ninja1 wrote:
At a certain point it just becomes tech for the sake of tech, for the sake of selling new computers, new TV screens, new cameras, new faster internet service.

BINGO!!!!!

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Idlewild66
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 07:57:48 PM


pat362 wrote:
^^I think you've answered your own question without realising it. The simple truth is that porn producers are either unable or unwilling to look at the real problem which is that todays porn is for the most part mediocre and I'm probably kind in saying that. So instead of tackling what must be a huge problem. They instead look to new technologies. Of course it won't work but that gives them a something to talk about instead of how to make porn better or at the very least make theirs different from the rest.

I disagree a bit..
AMERICAN PORN IS MEDIOCRE. European and Japanese stuff is where it is at, imo.
They try stuff - They use their imaginations.
American porn producers do not.

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whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 08:22:54 PM


Goldstein wrote:
For now, the file size and bandwidth issues make 4k a non-starter for the typical download porn via the Internet business model.
ISP bandwidth limits and throttling will also be a major hurdle to Internet based distribution (for small players like porn studios). Once Comcast et al defeat net neutrality, and start selling major players like Amazon and Netflix competition-killing pipelines, small players with large files to move will be at a distinct disadvantage and slower downloads.

Also, a single 4k video will exceed the capacity of single-layer DVDs.
And, should porn producers decide to edit single 4k scenes to a length (size) that will fit to a single-layer DVD, I don't see people being willing to pay for it -- since all they would get on a standard DVD is a file (or files) they would still need to transfer to decent computer with plenty of RAM running Windows 7 or later, with a quality video player software (e.g. PowerDVD 13), or a video editing program capable of burning 4k Blu-ray movies for playback on 4k capable Blu-ray disk players.

That's a long-winded way of saying that, IMHO, in order to cash-in on the 4k porn market, studios will need to really begin marketing Blu-ray disks.

And, why would a porn studio make the substantial investment into 4k hardware and production, when everything they produce will get ripped and be online for illegal download at 1080p HD quality within three days of the street date?


Two things:

First, h.265/HEVC will mean that within the next couple years, 4K scenes will end up being about the size of size of modern day high-end 1080p scenes (because it's bitrate and not resolution that actually determines the size of a video file).

Second thing, porn DVDs are literally on their last legs. I would actually say that they're dead, but that wouldn't be fair because there are still companies that are making them. But the internet is how the vast majority of it is delivered now, and will be delivered in the future. Companies can still put up the 4K videos for download, and put out a downsampled DVD (this is what nearly every porn company shooting right now is actually doing). In other words, there's absolutely no way that the fact that it can't fit on a DVD is going to have any effect on any companies decision to go 4K.

All that being said, converting to 4K right now means buying new equipment for much more than your current standard equipment costs for not much financial gain. If, in a couple years, 4K video cameras get down to the point where they cost as much as a current high-end HD video camera, then maybe production companies will switch as they naturally replace their equipment. But outside of companies looking to make a splash with press releases, no one is going to be doing it anytime soon.

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NotMyRealName
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 08:50:35 AM
NA has or had a download option for a real basic 5 minute 4k scene. I didn't check the file size but I'm wondering if these companies that are allowing 4k downloads are going to create small edits of the scenes (alongside the full 25 to 40 min scenes.) Seems like that could happen (either that or they let you build your own scene with tagged file chunks that auto-cut together and then you download the version you want, I don't know.) As far as shooting in 4k, that is getting cheaper and I think a lot of studios will be doing that so they have a 4k master that they can downsample from to get an HD file (and can still put out 4k if it becomes that becomes the standard.)
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alexidavid
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 09:17:14 AM
I am satisfied with the 720p and 1080p for now. They work out well for me. I don't buy the dvd because I can organize things much better in the computer and I really hate compression at the expense of quality. 4k is not even that popular in the mainstream video scenario. So it will be some time before 4k becomes the new true hd. I am happy meanwhile that many producers are delivering 1080p content.

Edited by - alexidavid on 3/10/2014 9:18:21 AM

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pat362
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 10:28:22 AM


I disagree a bit..
AMERICAN PORN IS MEDIOCRE. European and Japanese stuff is where it is at,

I very rarely watch Japanese porn because the mosaic genitalia shots drive me nuts but I'm willing to agree with you that that they still put out some interesting stuff(at least if you're into that kind of porn) but I don't think that Europe puts out porn that's much better than your average American studio. The only difference is that they get access to a larger pool of talent whose willing to shoot hardcore porn from the start and they shoot significantly more extreme style porn than their US counterpart but again that has a lot to d with the performers being more open to those types of scenes. Otherwise we are basically talking about gonzo porn with a more extreme take. The days when studios like Colmax, Dorcel, Magma Films, Alpha Blue, Private, Pinko and I could go on who made feature films with amazingly hot sex scenes are over. Even well established studios like 21 Sextury now basically offer mediocre gonzo porn.

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whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 04:02:54 PM


NotMyRealName wrote:
NA has or had a download option for a real basic 5 minute 4k scene. I didn't check the file size but I'm wondering if these companies that are allowing 4k downloads are going to create small edits of the scenes (alongside the full 25 to 40 min scenes.) Seems like that could happen (either that or they let you build your own scene with tagged file chunks that auto-cut together and then you download the version you want, I don't know.) As far as shooting in 4k, that is getting cheaper and I think a lot of studios will be doing that so they have a 4k master that they can downsample from to get an HD file (and can still put out 4k if it becomes that becomes the standard.)

As an NA member, I can actually tell you that the 5 minute download has been there since long before they started shooting 4K. I'd have to check to be sure, but I think they've been doing them since about 2007/2008, which is even before they started shooting in HD.

And I think you're right about the 4K masters as well. I've heard that Digital Playground already does it, and James Deen has mentioned that he does it for everything he shoots now.

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huccioxxx
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 01:16:17 AM
Hey everyone, love this topic as this is what our company has been founded on... shooting nothing lower than 4k - UHD resolution.

For anyone who doubts the quality and fears the blemishes please visit our Vimeo Trailer.
To download the 4k file, click on the "download" tab under the video and the original 4k file in h264 is there for the taking.

HVEC and Vp9 will come to tue rescue if you are afraid of file sizes. We already have been testing h265 using DIVX and it is pretty amazing.
Our 90 sec PRORES 3 gig file converted all the way down to 65mb via HVEC and the results are definitely worthy of your enjoyment.

We have been wrapping up distribution deals but will be launching our 4k platform very soon featuring some really high end production value porn that we feel can compete for your attention. We have some pretty crazy stuff lined up.

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Porn Scout
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 01:26:13 AM
I have no desire for 4K. The file sizes will be too big which means slow downloads and storage issues.
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huccioxxx
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 01:32:33 AM
With HVEC, file sizes for 4k will be no different than HD.
HVEC

HVEC compression is available now and we are implementing it into our website. It offers 50% bit rate savings over H.264 which enables 4k files to be the same size as 1080p and in our current testing, our 4k files are smaller than 1080p files.
I am not a fan of divx but at the moment they are the only ones offering free hvec conversion.
Considering it made our 4k video smaller than 1080p, we will work with it until another solution comes out.
We will still offer HD in the usual codecs, but will do DIVX hvec for 4k.

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huccioxxx
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 01:38:18 AM
A few years from now, 4k will definitely be more common whether we like it or not.

You can buy a 4k screen for 500: 500 Dollar 4k TV
Granted it is a no name brand...it is an indication that prices are coming down faster than HD did when it first arrived. My HD tv cost me 5 grand five years ago.

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Jacco
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 05:29:24 AM
A 39" 4k TV must be one of the most useless things ever made, you will have to sit like a feet from the screen to see the difference with a lower resolution.
Let me repost this handy chart again. Since the human eye has a finite resolution, the (possible) improved quality of HD/4k/whatevernext is a function of the size of the screen and the viewing distance. At 10 feet you will need at least a 90" TV to even notice the difference between 4k and 1080p.
resolution_chart.jpg

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whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 09:53:46 AM


Jacco wrote:
A 39" 4k TV must be one of the most useless things ever made, you will have to sit like a feet from the screen to see the difference with a lower resolution.
Let me repost this handy chart again. Since the human eye has a finite resolution, the (possible) improved quality of HD/4k/whatevernext is a function of the size of the screen and the viewing distance. At 10 feet you will need at least a 90" TV to even notice the difference between 4k and 1080p.
resolution_chart.jpg

Jacco


That chart is actually bullshit. Widely believed bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless. In other words, if you had a person look at a 4K 39" TV and a 1080p 39" TV from a normal distance (5-10 ft from the TV) and both were showing the same material at their native resolution, the majority of them would correctly figure out which one is the 4K TV.

Edit: And I can even point out the reason that the chart is bullshit. What it measures is being able to tell the difference in resolution of a static image. But for the most part, static images are not what we watch on our TVs. We can detect motion in an image (i.e. a change in pixels) at a greater resolution than we can detect individual pixels in an image.

Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 4/3/2014 10:20:15 AM

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huccioxxx
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 11:23:27 AM
We have four 4k screens and I can tell you, everyone we have shown it to has been mind blown after seeing it.
My advice is to scrap charts and just see it for yourself. If you don't like it, no problem, we will be offering 1080p content as well to anyone anti 4k viewers.
Here is a fun read:
YOU ARE CRAZY IF YOU DON'T THINK 4K IS AWESOME
This article is dated but it is amazing to see how fast the prices have dropped.

If you think 39" is too small.. Dell has their 24" 4k screen and samsung has a 28" coming
for $700 bucks.

I recommend staying 32" and above to make it worthwhile so 39" is actually quite nice IMO.
The text on a 24" is micro tiny.

Edited by - huccioxxx on 4/3/2014 11:25:09 AM

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Jacco
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 02:07:34 PM
Make sure you get those $2000 HDMI cables to connect it all for the perfect picture.

Jacco

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huccioxxx
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 03:25:36 PM
Our 7 dollar cables work just fine..$7.00 4k HDMI

not to mention all the UHD screens come with at least one 4k compatible cable.

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