Bestiality/Scenes with animals

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newveggie07
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Posted - Sep 2 2007 : 09:24:21 PM
Do we have any recent porn stars in America or Europe who have done scenes with dogs or horses?
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Loraine
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 10:29:48 AM
Are you conducting research?
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mindee
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 10:38:56 AM
This is from the 90's but there was Kerri Downs & Chessie Moore.
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Dracula
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 12:28:15 PM
I can understand a wide spectrum of fetishes and interests, but cannot understand sex scenes with animals.
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mindee
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 12:59:24 PM
I've never had the opportunity, but it's something I've always wanted to explore.

Edited by - hardware on 9/3/2007 2:05:44 PM

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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 01:24:49 PM
$Dracula,

Agreed. Furthermore I can't understand wanting to have sex with something that doesn't give feedback masturbation is different, it solo). Like a woman/man talking and reacting during sex....

OK, I'm done. It's of topic and I despise this act anyway. Best to keep muh mouth shut

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Edited by - hardware on 9/3/2007 2:06:35 PM

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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 01:31:42 PM
I understand it, the kinky filthy thing of it is hot. But the production values is not up to bar since it is fetish, which makes me not really care.

I think several european countries recently made changes to the law, making it at least much harder to shoot bestiality.

The era when bestiality and pedophilia were legitimate fantasies are long gone. The only bad thing about it imo is that 'they' are closing in on 'normal' hardcore porn. Before we know it, anal is banned.

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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 02:36:37 PM
Damn shame.
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caroline-NL
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 03:25:20 PM


Gunzo "The era when bestiality and pedophilia were legitimate fantasies are long gone."

These two have absolutely NOTHING in common.
I am sad, that the first is criminalized in more and more countries, and I am happy, that the second is illegal nearly
worldwide. I never understood, why many countries looked down on animal sex - without harming the animal, of course - , as on child molesting.

To your question : Cicciolina made one horse video.
Some brazilan and japanese porn stars also did
animal porn, but I forgot the names.

Edited by - Caroline-NL on 9/3/2007 3:26:28 PM

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mindee
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 03:54:15 PM
I agree totally. Beastiality & Kiddie Porn are not even remotely the same things. Pedophilia is no more about erotica than is rape. They are evil and come from an entirely different direction. While child porn should be banned world-wide, beastiality is no more extreme than series like Gag-Factor & anything made by Max Hardcore.
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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 03:55:50 PM


caroline-NL wrote:
These two have absolutely NOTHING in common.

I understand your point of view, but one could claim that animals are just as vulnerable as children, and just as ignorant.

Animals can't choose, and children can't choose, because they do not understand what sex is. This makes it very dubious. Probably wrong.

Edited by - Gunzo on 9/3/2007 3:57:18 PM

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UnkwnUsr2
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 04:25:34 PM
I agree that bestiality should be banned, just like pedophilia. Humans should only perform sexual actions with other human beings who have developed or are in the process of developing sexual maturity and have reached a minimum level of self-responsibility and freedom of choice (psychological maturity, intelligence). Humans should not have sex with non-human animals because non-human animals do not have the psychological capabilities of humans and having sex with animals classifies as unneeded cruelty to animals in my book.

Furthermore, a legalization would be a disgrace to human culture. Indulging in bestiality is a disgrace to humanity and a testimony of a highly damaged psyche. Bestiality needs psychiatric help and not legalization.

And while some of the newer hardcore porn is just as much a testimony of a damaged psyche, its production and viewing are not per se harmful to anybody. As long as everything that happens happens between consenting adults there is no problem with even the roughest stuff, although in some cases its still the product of a twisted mind. But neither children nor animals classify as consenting adults, so they should not appear in pornography at all.

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Hardware
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 04:28:27 PM
Who gets to decide I'm pschologically mature?

Intelligence = eugenics?

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UnkwnUsr2
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 04:49:36 PM

Who gets to decide I'm pschologically mature?
Common sense does. I wasn't talking in juristic terms. In juristic terms, age is a decent method to roughly determine psychological maturity. Basic psychological growth and transformation are part of the natural growth process, just as sexual maturation. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. I was only using the concept to draw a distinction between humans and animals, the former having the greatest capability to grow in this area and the latter having a limited, a very limited or none at all, depending on species.


Intelligence = eugenics?
I'm using the term intelligence between loosely and plain wrong here. It was intended to be kind of synonymous to psychological maturity which is wrong. I meant intelligence as in respect for reality, respect for logic, ability to predict impact on future, self-consciousness and such. In the 7 types of intelligence that would be introspective intelligence or whatever that was. Long time I read about that.

Edited by - UnkwnUsr2 on 9/3/2007 4:53:38 PM

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eduardo911
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 06:10:25 PM
Back to the original question: it depends on your definition of 'recent'.

Linda Lovelace, Chessie Moore, Kerry Downs all did it, but they are ancient history. Skye Blu aka Charlene Hart does not really qualify as a pornstar as she's done only niche stuff like beastiality and scat. Cute girl though.

Probably the most recent is Monica Mattos (Brazil): she did a scene with a horse. Monica is listed as active from 2005 and in fact may still be active (in mainstream porn).

Suzy Spark (Hungary): listed as active 2002-2004 on IAFD (worked for Private, Rocco, Evasive Angles/TT Boy). Did several scenes with dogs, horse, pony, and even a dead fish as some kind of masturbation tool, at very the beginning of her porn career. Currently working as an escort in Basel, Switzerland.

Silvi (or Sylvi) Anderson (Hungary): worked for Private in 2001/2002. Did a dog scene and a horse scene, both probably shot before 2000.

Pantera (Russia/US): listed as active 2002-2005 on IAFD, but that's only in the US. She worked way before that (1997 or earlier) in Russia, for Dutch teen video and magazine label Seventeen (as 'Marina') and made at least about 10 bestiality vids, for the Dutch-distributed label BFI (Book & Film International) and for Japanese bestiality productions by M. Osaka, also as 'Marina'.

In Japan, mainstream JAV actresses have regularly appeared in bestiality videos with dogs, including in the last few years, under their regular porn names: Chihiro Hasegawa, Maya Tsubaki and Rinako Hirasawa (who also plays in borderline porn-erotic mainstream movies) on the AV-Karma label.

Finally, Barbie Cummings, recently wrote on her blog (which seems to be no longer online, but the relevant section is reproduced here) that she is turned on by the thought of having sex with a dog. It didn't say that she actually considered shooting such a scene though, which would be illegal in most countries anyway (Japan would seem to be the most logical option should she ever decide to pursue it, as they have big budgets, high production values and apparently no legal issues there).

Edited by - eduardo911 on 9/3/2007 7:17:17 PM

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LCF
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Posted - Sep 3 2007 : 06:40:22 PM


UnkwnUsr2 wrote:
I agree that bestiality should be banned, just like pedophilia. Humans should only perform sexual actions with other human beings who have developed or are in the process of developing sexual maturity and have reached a minimum level of self-responsibility and freedom of choice (psychological maturity, intelligence). Humans should not have sex with non-human animals because non-human animals do not have the psychological capabilities of humans and having sex with animals classifies as unneeded cruelty to animals in my book.

Thay must have maturity and a level of self responsability to understand exactly what? to save themselves from sin? To predict impact on future about what? a possible relationship? to take responsability in case of pregnancy? you can't be serious
Also what maturity you're talking about? can they reproduce? they understand what they're doing? I hope so for their species sake

A friend of mine has a dog which must be tied and closed if he sense a bitch in heat somewhere close in fact if that dog is left free he will try to fuck anything moving even his master the dog is a Boxer and is strong , my friend is concerned about his 8 years old son that dog might be violent trying to put someone in what he thinks is the correct position

another friend has a bitch which masturbates on his foot fingers when in heat , he must wear shoes even at home or she will push on them to the point to put a finger in her pussy and being her a Pincher she would get hurt if she's allowed to do that



UnkwnUsr2 wrote:
Furthermore, a legalization would be a disgrace to human culture. Indulging in bestiality is a disgrace to humanity and a testimony of a highly damaged psyche. Bestiality needs psychiatric help and not legalization.

Although it seems logical it is too much similar to some points I heard and read about gays in not too distant past so I'm kinda scared about that statement

I support free will but not animal cruelty I'm not decided on that matter


Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/3/2007 7:04:00 PM

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UnkwnUsr2 wrote:
I was only using the concept to draw a distinction between humans and animals, the former having the greatest capability to grow in this area and the latter having a limited, a very limited or none at all, depending on species.

Oh, I dunno. I think animals understand the nature of the world far better than most people do. Most of them know enough to run from humans. And most of them are smart enough to fight their way out of a corner.

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Loraine
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Are there not enough people to go round?

Laurie Cameron Fan wrote


another friend has a bitch which masturbates on his foot fingers when in heat , he must wear shoes even at home or she will push on them to the point to put a finger in her pussy and being her a Pincher she would get hurt if she's allowed to do that

The dog has a pussy? I am so confused...

I knew a bitch who used to like to fuck a bucket when given the chance, doesn't mean she was looking to be fucked by a human. I know a fellow who whilst on all fours with his head under a sink fixing a plumbing problem had a Rottweiler take a fancy to his upturned haunches...I don't wanna see this kind of thing of film.

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@ Lorain's post. I ummm...see your point. I don't want to see bestiality. Ever. In a way, it kind of cracks me up to think about it (as long as nobody is hurting the animals) but I just couldn't watch. I love animals (and not sexually) and am definitely against animal cruelty. I don't necessarily think people who make animal porn are hurting the animals but I think it would be a bad idea to let it happen. As you know, I'm a very liberal kind of guy but this.......
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LCF
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:32:19 AM
@loraine

Well I meant a vagina but I'm not experienced with dogs ( or other animals for that matter)

I didn't meant that the dog in my examples wanted to fuck or to be fucked by a human , but surely they know what pleasure is and how to get it , I was answering about maturity and self awareness . I think they have , to fuck with humans is another point though

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caroline-NL
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:43:16 AM
What is the "common sense" ?
The c.s. in the USA is different from the c.s.
in the Netherlands.
The c.s. today is different than the c.s. of
the 70s. At the moment, we have a great "discussion" in
the NL about banning animal porn.
Its not a discussion, because the pro-side has not the slightest chance to make a statement.
I am totally against animal porn that harms animals
or is crude or brutal. But if a horse could talk,
what do you think it prefers, to have some nice moments
with an attractive women, or to be slaughtered by the
butcher ? I like erotic horse movies, and this really shouldnt be criminalized.
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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:50:48 AM
We milk studs, real ones, in order to crate new ones. We conduct animal research on MONKEYS. I agree, the law is fucked up. What should be banned, animal porn, or animal brutal killings?
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ma meeshka
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Loraine wrote:
The dog has a pussy? I am so confused...

never mind that, i'm wondering what foot fingers are...

mod: nested quote removed

Edited by - hardware on 9/4/2007 6:48:50 PM

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Horse fucking should stay where it belongs.
In The Netherlands.
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Loraine
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 09:22:24 AM


Gunzo wrote:
We milk studs, real ones, in order to crate new ones. We conduct animal research on MONKEYS. I agree, the law is fucked up. What should be banned, animal porn, or animal brutal killings?

We stimulate and simulate sexual behaviours in rats to learn about our own, doesn't mean we have to fuck rats.

What has the butcher got to do with it?

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Dracula
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 09:49:19 AM
Unless you are Dr. Doolitle and can talk to the animals how does one get an animal's consent for this? Isn't bestiality just another form of rape?
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LCF
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 10:09:45 AM
@Loraine I think he means that no animal gave or will give any consensus about being butchered which is a way worse fate than to have sex.

@Dracula I can hardly define rapist a girl getting mounted by a dog (which by the way cannot be forced to do that, helped maybe , forced I don't think so)

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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 12:19:31 PM


Loraine wrote:
What has the butcher got to do with it?

Basically, how we USE animals. Of course you sucking off a horse probably isn't bad for the horse, but you would still USE the horse for your own sake, right?

Now, I'm talking bullshit since I eat meat, since I abuse animals because I enjoy the taste. Which is part of my point, those dissing bestiality but eat meat are disillusioned.

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UnkwnUsr2
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 01:03:17 PM
Gunzo wrote:

Now, I'm talking bullshit since I eat meat, since I abuse animals because I enjoy the taste. Which is part of my point, those dissing bestiality but eat meat are disillusioned.

I tend to disagree. Eating meat is a most natural thing to do. Humans evolved eating animal products and animal rights is far from making sense whatsoever. The whole of human culture and society depends on using animal products and the vegan lifestyle is only possible so long as it is supported by a non-vegan society. Heck, you can't even produce copper without dead cows. Protecting animals > Animal rights. If you raise a pig to kill it, that's not too bad in my opinion. But using a cow for the production of milk is, from the cow's perspective, probably no better than it is for a horse to get molested.

My primary concern with bestiality is not so much the animal's well being as it is the depravity of the act and the meaning it carries in relation to human culture and psychological health.

Edited by - UnkwnUsr2 on 9/4/2007 1:04:36 PM

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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 01:04:28 PM
On a more simple note, if the horse didn't like it, he could rear up and kick or trample the individual giving him head.
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Gunzo
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 01:23:58 PM


UnkwnUsr2 wrote:
Eating meat is a most natural thing to do.

And male lions kill their own cubs...

Maybe we HAD to eat meat back then, but now... now, we don't. We were probably not supposed to be this intelligent, to find a way to get all the proteins and carbs from reserach, but we made it. As I said, I love meat, especially from the seas, but I do also understand that we can't go on like this....

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eduardo911
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threesomebody wrote:
Horse fucking should stay where it belongs.
In The Netherlands.

Practically all commercially available horse porn movies are shot either in Hungary or Brazil, not the Netherlands.

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mindee
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caroline-NL wrote:
What is the "common sense" ?
The c.s. in the USA is different from the c.s.
in the Netherlands.
The c.s. today is different than the c.s. of
the 70s. At the moment, we have a great "discussion" in
the NL about banning animal porn.
Its not a discussion, because the pro-side has not the slightest chance to make a statement.
I am totally against animal porn that harms animals
or is crude or brutal. But if a horse could talk,
what do you think it prefers, to have some nice moments
with an attractive women, or to be slaughtered by the
butcher ? I like erotic horse movies, and this really shouldnt be criminalized.


Caroline..I like the way you think. I don't quite think that giving giving an animal an orgasm is a bad thing. An orgasm under most circumstances is a pretty good thing. Something that I've noticed is that from the "outside" it seems that people involved in the so-called "adult" world are people with open-minds and into new expereinces. When you get inside the adult world, you find people with a lot of very straight attitudes and in many cases very closed minds.
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 04:34:33 PM


eduardo911 wrote:

Practically all commercially available horse porn movies are shot either in Hungary or Brazil, not the Netherlands.



True, but they are distributed in Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands.
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 04:40:29 PM

UnkwnUsr2 wrote:
My primary concern with bestiality is not so much the animal's well being as it is the depravity of the act and the meaning it carries in relation to human culture and psychological health.

I second that. How many people walk away from such an experience satisfied, and how many walk away ashamed? Doing it regularly for money (on film) may come back to haunt you.

I'm not sure if I think the act should be criminalized, probably not, but making a business out of it spawns a whole host of issues beyond the act itself.

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Dracula wrote:
Unless you are Dr. Doolitle and can talk to the animals how does one get an animal's consent for this? Isn't bestiality just another form of rape?

I really, really don't want to take the other side here but for the sake of argument, what would you call hanging an animal upside down by it's feet and slitting it's throat? I hate to say it but if I had to choose between being fucked without my consent and dying horribly to be part of somebody's sandwich, I'd rather be fucked.

This issue is fraught with hypocrisy. In many countries, the people who signed anti-bestiality laws probably had cow for lunch afterwards. Now, picture this. One guy sitting there with blood dripping off his teeth telling another guy having sex with animals is wrong.

Don't get me wrong. I eat meat. Which is why I'm not so sure I can judge these people.

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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 05:12:16 PM
RandomPrecision, why does it have to be a choice? Let's not muddy the waters. Eating animals is one thing, screwing them is another. I don't think any animal destined for the meat factory will be pulled off the line and its life spared for sex.
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 05:23:23 PM


Dracula wrote:
RandomPrecision, why does it have to be a choice? Let's not muddy the waters. Eating animals is one thing, screwing them is another.

But does it matter? Of course they are different things. One of them kills the animal and the other doesn't. It's twisted irony that we consider the one that leaves the animal alive to be just dreadful and the one that ends with the animal chopped into little pieces and being consumed by people perfectly normal.

I'm not deliberately muddying the water. It's just that it already is. I'm just pointing it out. Animal sex is disturbing. I realize that. I bet most people who eat meat would be disturbed if they visited a slaughterhouse. Is bestiality right? I don't know how to answer that in light of all the other things we do to animals.

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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 05:26:05 PM
Eh up, whats all this about horses being slaughtered?

I don't know about you weirdos in the US, but heeyawww, in the United Kingdom of Great Britain (smug british grin) we don't eat horses.
We ride them. Oh yeah.

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ma meeshka wrote:
never mind that, i'm wondering what foot fingers are...

Toes, most likely.

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LCF
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 06:54:52 PM


UnkwnUsr2 wrote:

My primary concern with bestiality is not so much the animal's well being as it is the depravity of the act and the meaning it carries in relation to human culture and psychological health.


So the will and the awareness of the animal doesn't matter anymore but now you're concerned about the sake of human culture or better of what you think must be human culture labeling psychological unhealthy if not approved.


As Said I'm not decided on that matter I've doubt about the consent , but if it is not the point and the real purpose is to force people into the Idea of common sense or human culture of someone else , then I'm forced to support free will .

Also I find very disturbing scat and vomit more than bestiality can't watch them more than few seconds and it disturbes a lot my appetite and I absolutely don't like violence in movies not to mention BDSM , there are many things I don't like , but I do support the right to do what they please to those who like these thing


Just as a curiosity is there any of you who actually saw a bestiality movie? I mean both kind professional and amateur


Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 9/4/2007 7:13:21 PM

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newveggie07 wrote:
Do we have any recent porn stars in America or Europe who have done scenes with dogs or horses?

Newveggie07..thought if you were a veggie you would be against bestiality?

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Hardware
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:19:36 PM
Nature doesn't give a rat's ass who or what you fuck. However, since you can train a social animal to do what you want, the consent argument is suspect.
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:35:50 PM
My dog would heartily disagree with you. I usually get bitten when I brush her teeth.

Edited by - hardware on 9/4/2007 7:51:16 PM

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Loraine
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:40:40 PM
You don't do it with your dick though, do you?


Edited by - hardware on 9/4/2007 7:51:40 PM

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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:46:55 PM


UnkwnUsr2 wrote:


Furthermore, a legalization would be a disgrace to human culture. Indulging in bestiality is a disgrace to humanity and a testimony of a highly damaged psyche.


With all due respect, humanity is already a disgrace. Those who believe we're too evolved to fuck animals have lost sight of the fact that we are animals. Not that I agree with the idea of fucking animals. But I'm starting to wonder if we're really are as intelligent as we think we are.

To me, this is a really petty issue. I can't say that bestiality really upsets me that much unless animals are being deliberately harmed, tortured or killed in the process. I find the idea of some dude fucking a horse more humorous than anything else. And yes. I suppose my psyche is damaged. I have people like you to thank for it.

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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 07:49:34 PM


Loraine wrote:


RandomPrecision wrote:

You don't do it with your dick though, do you?


No. But somehow, I don't get the impression she'd react much differently.

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Dracula
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Posted - Sep 4 2007 : 11:07:30 PM
Titles like Jenna Haze vs. Sasquatch might be fun to watch, but I'm not sure how erotic they would be. :)
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wow! this is a fast growing topic.
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Posted - Sep 5 2007 : 01:23:22 AM
Indeed. I don't even know why I even got involved...since the thought of fucking animals is in no way appealing to me. It is a good one for argument, though.
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