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Knuckle Kids
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 12:42PM
I was wondering. Do guys pony up the necessary costs to hire a porn chick to star in his own home movie? Is it as easy as calling an agency and saying you want hire such and such actress for a straight b/g scene or whatever you are looking for? The girl shows up, filming takes place, releases signed, girl gets paid, guy basically gets laid and the scene is never released. Does this happen with the girls who don't moonlight at the Bunny Ranch or escort?

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Edited by - heynow on Nov 30 2008

Zoid
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 2:40PM


Knuckle Kids wrote:
Is it as easy as calling an agency..

It's not that easy, I am sure.. especially if you're a total nobody in the industry and no one knows you.

Ramsey
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 3:30PM
Why don't you pick up a prostitute? I'm sure it's much cheaper!
RFrog
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 6:37PM
Are there legal problems with such a scenario?

I'm not an attorney.

But, when a producer pays girls to have sex, then releases the movie, it is protected as "freedom of speech and expression" right?

If the video will never be released, can the State argue that it's not about "freedom of expression", only prostitution?

I mean, if I went to a prostitute and took my video camera with me, could I tell a judge, "Your Honor, I was doing research for a school project. I'm protection under the first amendment."
Ha ha.

Knuckle Kids
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 7:45PM
I was just curious! I know picking up a rental would be easier and cheaper. I really don't think being an unknown would be that big of an issue, as there are many hit and run type companies. Plus, I'm sure if it's a slow day at an agency, and someone gave a call, an agent would be willing to send someone over. Granted, I seriously doubt it would be Bree Olson, but depending on the stars all being aligned, you never know. From the other side of the coin, Leah Stephenson was offering up the same proposal as a way of getting around the whole prostitution issue a year or so ago as mentioned on this site.
Savoy
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 7:59PM
I don't think it would happen with a performer who doesn't escort.

But good news! Lots and lots of them DO!! :)

Zoid
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 8:33PM


Knuckle Kids wrote:
I really don't think being an unknown would be that big of an issue, as there are many hit and run type companies. Plus, I'm sure if it's a slow day at an agency, and someone gave a call, an agent would be willing to send someone over.

Not sure I am following you. If you're just looking for "someone" to fuck, why bother with agencies? You'll probably have more luck "booking" talent from MySpace or Craigslist. I kinda assumed that by porn chicks you were referring to reasonably well-known starlets. Hit and run companies can still be operated by people who were somehow business insiders to begin with (i.e. directors, ex-talent, etc).

jayo
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 9:54PM
I've heard of guys who will pay a pornstar or nude model to pose for private photos--usually they underwrite the cost of hiring the model and the photographer. That way you get exactly what you want, not a compromise. And it's your own private thing--you're not sharing it with a thousand horny guys.

I like the idea, but I can't see spending my money on it. If I really wanted to go that route, I'd rather buy the photo gear, hire a model who rings my bell, and do a photo shoot of my own.

pornlaw
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Posted - Nov 30 2008 : 11:05PM
Most girls will do videos for private collectors, but it usually doesnt involve having sex with the collector. Usually, a fee is paid, a script is sent, sometimes with wardrobe and the performer hires the other talent and videographer. She will send the video sans model releases and 2257 docs so that it can never be commercially released.

Unless you have an in with one of the agents they will usually not send one of their performers to a hotel room to shoot a "scene" with someone outside the industry. Not impossible, just not usual.

And based on your original scenario that would be called prostitution. Your intent is not commercial speech and therefore it would not be protected under Freeman v. California. Also, if you intend to shoot it POV, that is also not considered in the holding of Freeman. POV might not even be legal in California since one of the most important aspects of the Freeman decision is that the producer, who paid for the scene, was not himself receiving sexual gratification from the act.

If I had a dollar for every call I received from someone saying that had porn's next million dollar idea -- setting up shoots between pornstars and regular joes -- I could retire.

Michael

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Cuddly Wombat
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Posted - Dec 1 2008 : 5:38AM
I suppose the number of such queries has increased with the Zach and Miri movie.

I still have a long-held plan to hire a couple of hundred porn stars over the next 20 years and have each one filmed whilst diddling herself and reciting a couple of pages of The Iliad. At the end of that process I will have the whole book on film - will sure beat the Derek Jacobi audio version and Brad Pitt in a leather mini.

boogieknight
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Posted - Dec 1 2008 : 10:01AM
dude just get a girlfriend that likes to have sex a lot and make you're own home movies. You'll save thousands and wont have to worry about legal ramifications.
Zaer
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Posted - Dec 1 2008 : 11:52AM


pornlaw wrote:
Also, if you intend to shoot it POV, that is also not considered in the holding of Freeman. POV might not even be legal in California since one of the most important aspects of the Freeman decision is that the producer, who paid for the scene, was not himself receiving sexual gratification from the act.

So in every instance of POV films in the industry it's only the director or another actor and not the producer that is engaged in the scene? Or is it a situation where sometimes that doesn't happen and the legal ramifications of it are just ignored?

Knuckle Kids
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Posted - Dec 1 2008 : 12:29PM


boogieknight wrote:
dude just get a girlfriend that likes to have sex a lot and make you're own home movies. You'll save thousands and wont have to worry about legal ramifications.


As hard as it is to believe, I was just asking a question that popped into my head. I wasn't actually looking to pursue what I was asking. At least not until I win the lottery LOL, and then again, I'm sure Faye Valentine and Bree Olson would have already left the business and wouldn't be interested in doing a Cum Fart Cocktail style movie with me. But seriously, I know it would be cheaper and less hassles to go to Craigslist, hell, I could go down to the strip here in Vegas, get a directory off the street corner and have a girl to my room in 20 minutes or less.

On to the POV issue, how does this effect someone who produces, directs, and performs in his own movies? So to get around all of the legal issues, and being an "unknown" in the business, a person interested in banging porn girls would have to go through the motions of setting up a production company and having a camera guy there to make it legit? So, 2 guys set up a production company, get a camera, call some agents and have a girl sent over, the one guy does the girl with the other guy filming, then they switch places. That could work.

alanpornlover
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:27PM
I guess I wonder why someone would hire a pornstar, make a movie, and then keep the video. If I was going to be filmed fucking a pornstar I would want to share it.

StrippedSS
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:47PM


Zaer wrote:
So in every instance of POV films in the industry it's only the director or another actor and not the producer that is engaged in the scene? Or is it a situation where sometimes that doesn't happen and the legal ramifications of it are just ignored?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the latter. It's only legal to produce porn in California yet there are thousands of people producing porn in Florida, New York, and all over the country.

StrippedSS
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:51PM


Knuckle Kids wrote:

On to the POV issue, how does this effect someone who produces, directs, and performs in his own movies? So to get around all of the legal issues, and being an "unknown" in the business, a person interested in banging porn girls would have to go through the motions of setting up a production company and having a camera guy there to make it legit? So, 2 guys set up a production company, get a camera, call some agents and have a girl sent over, the one guy does the girl with the other guy filming, then they switch places. That could work.


It's REALLY hard to get agencies to work with unestablished producers. You'd have to spend money setting up a site, having some stuff produced already, made some contacts, have some references, etc...for the well-known agencies to even begin considering sending girls to you.

killbillvol69
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 7:39PM
Guys, the OP is long-deactivated. Don't bother answering his questions.
ninja1
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 8:48PM

pornlaw wrote:
Most girls will do videos for private collectors, but it usually doesnt involve having sex with the collector. Usually, a fee is paid, a script is sent, sometimes with wardrobe and the performer hires the other talent and videographer. She will send the video sans model releases and 2257 docs so that it can never be commercially released.
This is interesting, I never heard of it before.
I know of some amateurs, such as at Southern-Charms, offer to do custom vids. Didn't know pros did it. Curious as to how much something like that might cost.
Sounds like it would be a nice little business, having a company that serves as the go-between, coordinating between the girls and the videographers and the customers. With everything custom and private, there is no piracy issues to worry about. No reproduction/distribution issues. And financial risks are minimal, because you could demand payment upfront. Sounds sweet. Surely someone is already doing this. Right?
BigBobxxx
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 8:57PM

Sounds like it would be a nice little business, having a company that serves as the go-between, coordinating between the girls and the videographers and the customers.

Pimps-R-Us?

realtip
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Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 11:52PM

pornlaw wrote:
Most girls will do videos for private collectors, but it usually doesnt involve having sex with the collector. Usually, a fee is paid, a script is sent, sometimes with wardrobe and the performer hires the other talent and videographer. She will send the video sans model releases and 2257 docs so that it can never be commercially released.

What's the point of that? Might as well just watch the scenes she already has available.

StrippedSS wrote:
It's REALLY hard to get agencies to work with unestablished producers. You'd have to spend money setting up a site, having some stuff produced already, made some contacts, have some references, etc...for the well-known agencies to even begin considering sending girls to you.

Maybe it depends on the agency, but I somehow doubt that it's that difficult. I would just suggest contacting the agencies to ask them directly. That's what I would do.
pornlaw
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 12:28AM
Usually the client contacts the performer directly. It takes a certain amount of trust since most performers will ask for the entire amount up front with the scrip and wardrobe. And it may take some time to get your private video. However it usually arrives since the performer will want future business.

Companies have done this in the past, but I am not sure if anyone is doing it right now. Further asking a company to do will only add cost. Also getting an agent involved will also increase the price.

Usually a performer will hire their own camera person and talent.

Why would someone want this ?? If they have enough money and want a private collection where they are the producer and director -- its a matter of means and ability.

Michael

www.AdultBizLaw.com
www.2257Safe.com

Edited by - pornlaw on 4/20/2009 12:29:35 AM

ninja1
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 12:54AM

realtip wrote:
What's the point of that? Might as well just watch the scenes she already has available.
A good example is some fetish stuff a viewer might want to see, which can't be found even if you search thru every available scene she's made. Even something as simple/basic as high heels. Yeah many porn girls wear high heels, but it's not something the cameraman or director pays attention to; shoes and feet usually get cut off because the framing is in too close, and/or she removes them early in the scene. You might get to see a few seconds at the most. A lot of folks similarly have specific things they like. But porn producers have to make generic scenes to appeal to the widest audience, so by definition they're gonna always ignore a good percentage of the viewers.
realtip
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 2:08AM
I see. So it's more for if you want something specific that you can't find anywhere else. Sounds like a good idea. I just wonder what happens if you get the video, and it turns out to be crappy, and not what you expected. Since you've already paid the money for it, I guess you're just SOL.
Cuddly Wombat
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 6:58AM
I will start doing this very soon as I am sick of a lack of quality costume/uniform porn from the US.

I also want my porno recital of the Iliad - perhaps with a bit of POV cock-sucking between each verse.

pornlaw
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 11:49AM
I talked with Vanessa (Vanessa Blue is my GF for those that dont know) and she is open to shooting your private videos... just contact her and tell her your script ideas and who you want to "star" in your private home movie and she will contact the performers and get back to you with a price. Remember this isnt for YOU to perform with someone, this is only to hire performers to make a custom video for your enjoyment.

You can contact her at vbxaffiliate[at]gmail.com to work out the details.

Michael

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www.2257Safe.com

Ramsey
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 1:42PM

Remember this isnt for YOU to perform with someone, this is only to hire performers to make a custom video for your enjoyment.

You totally missed the point of this thread....
ninja1
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 2:20PM

Ramsey wrote:
You totally missed the point of this thread....
pornlaw is on point as relates to the current incarnation of this thread, which is admittedly a bit of a departure from the OP's question. I don't think it's technically a "derail" if the OP is no longer around, and the thread has been dormant for 4months.
LubeNLuv
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Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 3:37PM
Old thread or not, this just answered a question I've had about POV porn forever. So if the person holding the camera is also the stuntdick and is also the guy who pays the talent for the shoot in the first place....then it's basically just prostitution on video?
pornlaw
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 1:57AM


LubeNLuv wrote:
Old thread or not, this just answered a question I've had about POV porn forever. So if the person holding the camera is also the stuntdick and is also the guy who pays the talent for the shoot in the first place....then it's basically just prostitution on video?


That is correct -- California v. Freeman never contemplated POV shoots.

Michael

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www.2257Safe.com

BlackSix
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 2:13AM
Pornlaw, often you find producers, directors and performers on forums declaring performers to be the exact same thing as whores and prostitutes, could that be used against them in court if they tried to use Freeman in an anti-porn case?
warrenwest67
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 1:08PM
My first thought was - you cant even have a thought anymore without it showing up on the internet somewhere. So how private can it be? The wife wont ever let me bring a camera into the bedroom due to the internet.
LubeNLuv
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 2:19PM


warrenwest67 wrote:
The wife wont ever let me bring a camera into the bedroom due to the internet.

For $250 plus signing a waiver, I can help you out there. ;-)

Ramsey
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 2:41PM

So if the person holding the camera is also the stuntdick and is also the guy who pays the talent for the shoot in the first place....then it's basically just prostitution on video?

So how can porn directors like Rodney Moore and Ed Powers be a director and performer at the same time? What's the difference?
Rosco Fuji
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 3:36PM


Ramsey wrote:

So if the person holding the camera is also the stuntdick and is also the guy who pays the talent for the shoot in the first place....then it's basically just prostitution on video?

So how can porn directors like Rodney Moore and Ed Powers be a director and performer at the same time? What's the difference?

There is no difference, it's just a matter of semantics. According to some posts on this site, the girls getting paid to fuck on film are "actresses and performers", but take away the film, set up a website, and fuck fans, you're an "escort," walk the streets and you're a prostitute. Same with the guys, fuck a guy in the ass on film, you're "gay or a homo," but it's justified as being "gay for pay," add a set of bolt ons, press on nails and long hair to make a so called tranny and the same guy fucking is a "cross over" star never mind the fact that he still just did a dude, but its now been downgraded to "homo erotic." The same guy moves on to straight porn and considers himself a "stud." The OP did ask an interesting question, and I'm sure that given the state of the industry and economy, it wouldn't be that hard to have a porn girl come over for a private session. Granted it might not be a A list girl, but if the rent was due, I'm sure there'd be some takers.

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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 3:43PM


LubeNLuv wrote:


warrenwest67 wrote:
The wife wont ever let me bring a camera into the bedroom due to the internet.

For $250 plus signing a waiver, I can help you out there. ;-)


If I cant bring in a camera, how would I ever get an other person into the bedroom.
Now I am having second thoughts about it too. LOL

The whole Idea of highering a porn star is the ultimate fantasy I would say. If I had $$$$ to burn, lived out west, was single, had all my shots and had an entire weekend to spend planning, I think it would be do-able. But getting the wife and kids out of the house for the day, airfare, and a extra day to clean up and $ to bribe the people next door to keep quiet might put a monkey wrench into the deal. Ill stick to getting all worked up about it then taking it all out on the wife in bed. It always worked before.

goldenbear
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 3:50PM
There are a few escort sites online that advertise a lengthy selection name pornstars; lots of 90's stars. Some are even willing to get on a plane and meet you if you pick up the cost. For less than the cost of shooting a home movie, you could probably set something up--assuming you don't have anyone specific in mind.
Stud_Rob
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 3:55PM
Never thought about this. I imagine the fee would be pretty high though. Be cool though.
Ramsey
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 4:53PM

There are a few escort sites online that advertise a lengthy selection name pornstars; lots of 90's stars. Some are even willing to get on a plane and meet you if you pick up the cost. For less than the cost of shooting a home movie, you could probably set something up--assuming you don't have anyone specific in mind.

Yeah but how much would that set you back? A lot I'm sure.

I wonder can you bring your own camera to the Bunny Raunch and shoot yourself with a pornstar there if you pay extra?

BlackSix
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Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 9:16PM
I've seen the likes of Rachel Starr and Luscious Lopez on escort sites.

Rct3
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Posted - Apr 24 2009 : 10:15AM
I have also seen quite a few pornstar escorts, most impressive one had to be Daisy Marie. But she isn't always advertising, only a couple times.
blanco27
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Stud_Rob wrote:
Never thought about this. I imagine the fee would be pretty high though. Be cool though.

davebowman
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Posted - Dec 2 2010 : 6:54PM
Granted, this isn't even going to be a practicality for anyone without bottomless wallets, but there is another reason why I can imagine people being interested in doing this.

If you pay a shit-load of money for an escort there's no guarantee they are going to put much effort in, or do much more than lie there and let you fuck them.

On the other hand, when you see a porn film you are seeing a girl 'performing' - being enthusiastic, putting a lot of effort in and being as filthy as hell. That, I think, would be an understandable fantasy for many men ("Shit - she charges this much for a bboy/girl scene? Damn, I could save up for a couple of months and do that!"). Though of course that wouldn't work if the girl knew no-one was ever going to see the video, would it?

Rosco Fuji
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Posted - Dec 3 2010 : 10:04PM
I saw that chick Mila on Stern one time and there were talking about her escort rates. She said that her private dates were the exact same thing as you saw in her releases.
Cuddly Wombat
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Posted - Dec 3 2010 : 10:22PM
Although I imagine the whole thing is over much, much, quicker.
Stalag
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Posted - Feb 16 2011 : 5:45PM
$175 in the YP.
elgringoviejo58
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Who would do a shoot for $175?
Karloff
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I've hired girls for $200. Easy money to most.
elgringoviejo58
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Posted - Feb 23 2011 : 6:27PM
Am surprised that anyone would work for two hundred bucks. Kinda figured it would take at least three fifty to four hundred minimum to get a girl to to a hardcore scene and sign a commercial release.
Karloff
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Posted - Feb 23 2011 : 6:40PM
What commercial release?
I just tell her I want to take some pics.
Never had a problem.
elgringoviejo58
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Posted - Feb 23 2011 : 6:44PM
Anyone who distributes porn without commercial releases and other paperwork (for example meeting section 2257 requirements) could end up in a world of shit.
Karloff
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Who is distributing porn?
Are you sleeping again?
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