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2Big
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 04:14:00 PM
I have a confession to make: I wouldn't mind participating in of those gangbangs where dozens of guys unload on a girl's face. However, watching those tapes, I find it kind of bothersome how many dudes miss the girl and end up splooging on another guys's legs, arms. If you're doing a sandwich, with one guy being on top the other one being on the bottom, the top guy pulls out and shoots his load all over YOUR balls. How do actors handle that? sk
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 04:17:00 PM
What makes you think it's accidental?
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BIGmike
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 04:34:00 PM
Or how about two dicks in the same hole, rubbing against each other, wouldn't that be somewhat gay?

But in a gangbang situation, it's usually one girl surrounded by lots of guys who get a shot at her holes, right? So if you fuck one of the holes on the female body, and not on the guy, but your cum flies elsewhere, I don't see how that could be considered gay.

It's an assumed risk of gangbangs.

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Bill
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 06:50:00 PM


BIGmike wrote:
Or how about two dicks in the same hole, rubbing against each other, wouldn't that be somewhat gay?

I was watching something earlier this week (I can't remember what, it was probably a rental), but there was a behind the scenes moment that made me laugh.

Two guys were participating in a DP (girl facing down, so the guy doing the anal half bas basically fucking the girl doggie). When the guy who doing the anal half reached down to position his own dick, the other guy yelled out "Hey dude, watch your hands!".

So, I guess intentionally rubbing balls against each other was OK, but accidentally touching the other guys balls or disk with your hand is gay.

This could get confusing. Are these rules written somewhere?

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futureofporn
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 09:19:00 PM
Or how about when a girl is sucking off 2 guys and rubs the 2 dicks together, is that supposed to be accidental or turn the guys on? Its all pretty weird if you ask me.
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lindi
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Posted - Apr 26 2003 : 09:33:00 PM
I like it when she touches the two dicks together.
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skronker
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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 12:16:00 AM
I bet the guys like it, too, Lindi. It's a maneuver that I believe is called "docking": especially if at least one penis is uncircumcised, the foreskin can be stretched over the opposing member. Perhaps with the young lovely's tongue slipping in and around and even inside the foreskin, massaging two, two, two glans in one!
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aiden
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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 02:10:00 AM


skronker wrote:
the foreskin can be stretched over the opposing member. Perhaps with the young lovely's tongue slipping in and around and even inside the foreskin

I don't want to eat dinner anymore. :(

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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 02:50:00 AM


aiden wrote:


skronker wrote:
the foreskin can be stretched over the opposing member. Perhaps with the young lovely's tongue slipping in and around and even inside the foreskin

I don't want to eat dinner anymore. :(



DITTO!!
good thing i read it after having mine.
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The_Poker
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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 02:52:00 AM
I think it basically comes down to being comfortable with your sexuality. You are not gonna turn gay by getting a bit of jiz on you. Or even if you accidently touch the other guys dick, it doesnt mean anything.

If you are worried about such things, then you might have issues you need to explore. Being hetrosexual or homosexual is a state of mind not a physical action.

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aiden
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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 04:34:00 AM


The_Poker wrote:
You are not gonna turn gay by getting a bit of jiz on you. Or even if you accidently touch the other guys dick, it doesnt mean anything.


Unless you're already gay...

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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 06:32:00 AM
I can't remember the name of the movie but I remember Rocco shooting some cum on Franco Roccaforte after he missed the girl. They were all standing there and lauging about it.
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Posted - Apr 27 2003 : 09:35:00 AM


2Big wrote:
I have a confession to make: I wouldn't mind participating in of those gangbangs where dozens of guys unload on a girl's face.

However, watching those tapes, I find it kind of bothersome how many dudes miss the girl and end up splooging on another guys's legs, arms. If you're doing a sandwich, with one guy being on top the other one being on the bottom, the top guy pulls out and shoots his load all over YOUR balls.

How do actors handle that?



sk

Guys, guys! Lighten up!
Me and my hubby have been in 3 and 4somes and there's nothing more off-putting than the guy who's freezing, and apologizing for letting his body touch another man's. Meanwhile us girls are touching, caressing, making love to each other. We like it, the guys like watching.....it's fun, it's sexy, and it's not a problem if the guys do it too. I love to see a guy slide his dick into a gooey spermy pussy or anus.....that's so damn erotic! Should he be horrified that he's contacting another guy's sperm? Hell, if it troubles them, what are they doing in close sexual situations with another man?
I realise that porn is mainly made for 100% hetero men, but directors please......there are lots of ladies (and bi men) out here who get a buzz out of seeing a chink in that armour. Enjoying a bit of m/m contact means you're versatile, not gay. There's 100% gay, 100% straight, and 99 shades of grey in between where most of us are.

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SueR
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:08:00 AM
This scaredy bullshit is why I'll never join a threesome where one of the 2 others is a straight guy. You all don't deserve it.
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GaySatyr
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:37:00 AM
In general, if a man is that up tight about contact with another man's semen, then he has some major sexual identity issues of his own. This applies to men watching being freaked out by such actions as well.

Loosen up, guys - you just might learn to enjoy something new.

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cal444
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 06:29:00 AM
All I know is if one of our camera guys accidently
takes one for the team with a ass cream pie blast
or a pop goes astray, they don't hold the shot the
usual length they would had it not happened.

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lindi
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 10:12:00 AM
I am reminded of the University of Georgia study that found that while watching tapes of homosexual activity, 80% of homophobic men had penile arousal, while only 34% of non-homophobic men did.

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dano
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 11:28:00 AM


lindi wrote:
I am reminded of the University of Georgia study that found that while watching tapes of homosexual activity, 80% of homophobic men had penile arousal, while only 34% of non-homophobic men did.



While I'm not exactly sure how penile plethysmography works, I imagine it uses the application of electrodes or similar devices. I would think that in some cases just having something put on your genitals would cause some tumescence, so I'm not sure how accurate such a study would be.

Anyway, with respect to the original question, if a performer has hangups with contact with another guy or his semen, he should stick with one-on-one scenes and stay out of the 3-ways/group scenes. As BIGmike says, such contact is an inherent risk of the business. Personally I would be more worried about fluid-borne infectious agents than what the mere act of contact with someone else's semen means (and to me it would mean nothing).

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Bob
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 11:29:00 AM
SueR,

You wrote:


"This scaredy bullshit is why I'll never join a threesome where one of the 2 others is a straight guy. You all don't deserve it."
So, Sue, does that mean you'll be turning down the offer from Manuel Ferrara and Rocco Siffredi?


Edited by - Bob on 4/30/2003 2:16:52 PM

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RobHammer
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 02:25:00 PM
I totally agree with pornchick and SueR in their assessment and attitude.

It's an interesting double standard that is exemplified by 'straight' porn. Technically, any same-sex activity is considered homosexual behavior. The fact that many straight males, and even homophobic straight males enjoy watching women engaged in same-sex activity illustrates the point.

If you've crossed the mental bridge that homosexual behavior is OK for women, but a bit of male-male contact gives you a queasy feeling in the pit of your stomach, go ask a 100% straight female what she thinks.

Edited by - RobHammer on 4/28/2003 2:25:52 PM

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Sir Noel Plum
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 02:37:00 PM
There is a behind the scenes moment in Orgy world 3 (I think) where at the end of the scenes one of the guys notices one of the others (Brian Pumper I think) has some cum on his shoulder and they all start laughing at him as he can't work out whose it is.

Rob,
It is an interesting double standard, but I don't really understand your point, maybe you could rephrase it.
I mean, some guys like to see girls fucking each other but they don't want to fuck a guy - and? A 100% straight female presumably wouldn't like to see two girls going at it but I don't see the point you are making here.

SNP.

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ObiBong
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:20:00 PM
I'm also a little tired of the silly PC conventional wisdom out there about anyone who displays homosexual avoidance having "issues."

I'm basically as pro-gay as you can be (I want them to be in the military, to have marriage rights, to teach, all that stuff) but yeah, if another guy grabs my balls, I might not be cool with that. I don't think that's any sign that I'm psychologically maladjusted or deserving of a bashing by SueR.

That's not to say some of the previous comments in this thread haven't been a little juvenile.

And if you read that link to that Georgia study, you find a) that it included only 64 subjects, a very weak sample size, and b) this paragraph (emphasis mine):

"Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se."

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ObiBong
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:28:00 PM
All that said, of course, if the downside of having sex with Monica Sweetheart is the possibility of some splatter during the popshot... I might choose to deal with it.
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:31:00 PM
Based on my contact with gays, str8s, bisexuals, and way too many homophobes, most true str8s don't give a damn. Those of my friends who are straight don't seem to care that I am gay - they are my friends and I am theirs. The gay/straight thing has nothing to do with it. They seem to be comfortable around gays regardless. And when/if some gay guy makes a pass, they laugh it off with a thanks-but-no-thanks attitude.

It is the homophobes (or closet homophobes) who get bent out of shape when anything remotely gay happens. And when I see that kind of reaction in a person, I just cross him off my acceptable-human-behavior people list. I don't need to waste my time with such people.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:42:00 PM


ObiBong wrote:
I'm also a little tired of the silly PC conventional wisdom out there about anyone who displays homosexual avoidance having "issues."

I'm basically as pro-gay as you can be (I want them to be in the military, to have marriage rights, to teach, all that stuff) but yeah, if another guy grabs my balls, I might not be cool with that. I don't think that's any sign that I'm psychologically maladjusted or deserving of a bashing by SueR.

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Being upset at some guy, gay or str8, grabbing your balls is not being homophobic - it's protecting your body and/or personal space. I have no problem with that. And if it is a gay guy coming on to you in that way without knowing you were interested beforehand, he probably deserves to be decked - again, not because of any perceived homophobia, but because he represents a physical threat to your well being.

The guys I have problems with are those who tell faggot jokes constantly, those who seethe with anger when they spot two guys hold hands (or even shake hands a bit too long) and those who get upset about penile to penile contact in a DAP sex scene in straight porn. (Never mind cum splatter gone astray! Why are they watching anyway if it upsets them so?) These guys have serious issues!

~ GaySatyr

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:51:00 PM


GaySatyr wrote:
It is the homophobes (or closet homophobes) who get bent out of shape when anything remotely gay happens. And when I see that kind of reaction in a person, I just cross him off my acceptable-human-behavior people list.
~ GaySatyr

Again, I think we need to be clear on some things here. First of all, when you say "get bent out of shape," are you including a visceral "ewww" reaction, or do you mean shoving and punching? If it's the former, I think you're being a little closed-minded.

Second, of course the genuine homophobes get bent out of shape. By definition. But what's a "closet homophobe"? Someone who pretends to be cool with gays but hates them inside? Or did you mean homophobic on the outside, but a closet homosexual? In that case also, yes, an outward homophobe will react negatively, whether he's a closet case or not.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 03:54:00 PM


GaySatyr wrote:
Being upset at some guy, gay or str8, grabbing your balls is not being homophobic - it's protecting your body and/or personal space.

Further clarification: I actually meant that example to refer to the accidental ball-grab during the DP mentioned above.

Further further clarification: "not being cool with that" would mean not that I would flip out or get angry, but that it would definitely be a bone-kill.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:04:00 PM


2Big wrote:
I have a confession to make: I wouldn't mind participating in of those gangbangs where dozens of guys unload on a girl's face.
However, watching those tapes, I find it kind of bothersome how many dudes miss the girl and end up splooging on another guys's legs, arms....

What to do?: You have to concentrate solely on the girl (or to be bi, which is nothing wrong, of course). I am not an actor, never want to be one, but I do want to have a hot DAP with a hot escort girl myself.
I like this idea of doing in real what I see in porn, I dont want to be content with it all left to be just phantasy. And I am neither bi nor gay. And I can tell you: it is hard and needs a lot of self control. But I think porn actors have this self control. Me, I still dont have it, but I am getting better...

Edited by - Shameless on 4/28/2003 4:05:18 PM

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:13:00 PM
I don't deny anyone the right to feel the way they do about themselves and their own sexuality. However, I feel the title and the initial question of this thread is a bit of an over-reaction.

SNP,

My point:
The premise in the standard porn formula is that any male-male contact is unacceptable, yet girl-girl scenes are so prevalent that a lot of men don't even see them as having a homosexual connotation. Women are supposed to go gigglingly along with this as evidenced by the content of most 'couples' porn. Additionally, some men actually start believing that most women are bisexual. This predominantly male attitude carries over into real life in areas such as swinging. For the 99 shades of gray this is quite off putting. I don't deny SueR her attitude or right to feel the way she does.

My statement about asking a straight women doesn't presume anything. It's actually a baiting invitation for a response.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:17:00 PM
I remember the Rocco Franco scene. It was a blooper and it wasn't spooge. Rocco was on top of a girl. Franco was below her. Rocco had tried to spit in this girl's mouth but he missed and it went all over Franco. Franco was disgusted but here Rocco was having a grand old time busting a gut.

MOD: Okay... this thread has strayed somewhat. If you feel that you want to debate defining homosexual and homophobia along with psychoanalysing each other... Please take it to the appropriate forum.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:21:00 PM
ObiBong wrote: First of all, when you say "get bent out of shape," are you including a visceral "ewww" reaction, or do you mean shoving and punching? If it's the former, I think you're being a little closed-minded.

I'm talking about guys who make a scene over something that may or may not be overtly gay in action but could be perceived to be so. Some guy reacting with a visceral "ewww" over encountering two guys making out is probably justified - but then, I don't think straights should make out in public, either.

ObiBong wrote: But what's a "closet homophobe"? Someone who pretends to be cool with gays but hates them inside? Or did you mean homophobic on the outside, but a closet homosexual? In that case also, yes, an outward homophobe will react negatively, whether he's a closet case or not.

Three broad categories of homophobes: 1) in your face, 2) behind your back, and 3) suppressed gay closet case. It is the 3rd who is most dangerous - most prone to serious violence. It is the second who tends to do the most harm emotionally to his victims as it is often a long time before the victim identifies his tormentor.

ObiBong wrote: Further clarification: I actually meant that example to refer to the accidental ball-grab during the DP mentioned above.

I can understand that it could easily be a distraction.

ObiBong wrote: Further further clarification: "not being cool with that" would mean not that I would flip out or get angry, but that it would definitely be a bone-kill.

I can see that also. I'd find accidental sexual contact with a woman to be a boner killing experience but that doesn't mean I hate women - I'm just not turned on by women sexually. I actually like women a lot - most of my close friends are women. I just don't want to hop in the sack with any of them.

What I don't understand is why a straight man with issues about accidental sexual contact with another straight man would ever put himself in 2-male-on-1-female 3-way situation in the first place. I would think that anyone who deliberately places himself is such sexual situations would most likely be a go-with-the-flow kind of person and would brush off any accidental male-male contact as just that - and ignore it.

~ GaySatyr

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Sir Noel Plum
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 04:57:00 PM
Rob,
I understand what you are saying now.

A very interesting, and slightly controversial, article appeared in the magazine 'New Scientist' around 4 years ago entitled 'the search for the gay gene'. The article dealt with IIRC two seperate research efforts concerned with ascertaining whether male homosexuality could have a genetic element (a predisposition, if you like).
A side article to this was titled something like 'why no search for a lesbian gene'. Both research groups cited research that showed female sexuality to be far greyer and male sexuality to be far more polarised. Their suggestion was that a greater percentage of men are firmly hetero or homo than women and so they felt the causes of female homosexuality were less likely to include a possible genetic element than is the case with male homosexuality.

Why do I quote this? Just to show that even presumably high brow researchers figure the two to be different - as does my girlfriend - as do most women I know as well as most men.

My opinion? Well, as far as I'm aware in the days of the roman empire men fucked just about anything that moved and men were as fair game as women so perhaps the differences the researchers see is more cultural than anything else. Clearly attitudes are very different and this likely produces different outcomes. Maybe if women fantasised about two guys fucking the way men fantasise about two women, over a couple of generations things might drastically alter. As things stand a child (male or female) grows up and learns that a woman who swings both ways is okay (men applaud it and other women don't really mind) whereas a man doing the same thing is asking for disapproval (women generally won't appreciate it and other men will disapprove or disown him) so is it any wonder there is a difference?
I've heard some women say they find it somehow lessens their perception of a mans masculinity if they know he has sex with other men; I would say most men regard two women together as about as feminine as anything could possibly be: so here again we have a significant discrepancy. (note, in both cases here I'm referring to generally hetero people - I think butch dykes are not exactly the height of femininity and the womens opinions have generally concerned pertners or potential partners and therefore not overtly gay men.

Morbid,
I think this actually has quite a bit of relevance to this subject because it all ties in with the whys and wherefors of how the actors may or may not feel, and how we the viewer/poster would feel in their place.

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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 05:23:00 PM


Sir Noel Plum wrote:
Morbid,
I think this actually has quite a bit of relevance to this subject because it all ties in with the whys and wherefors of how the actors may or may not feel, and how we the viewer/poster would feel in their place.

Your long post is a good example of why I think this line of discussion should be conducted in a more appropriate forum, like Sex Talk for example. Up until the quoted passage above, I saw no attempts to tie in how actors would feel about having spooge dropped on them.

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tristan seagal
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 06:07:00 PM
When this kind of "accident" happens in a scene I think it's just about the guys involved. It happened to me several times with Manuel Ferrara (he get me and I get him also...) and we always laughed a lot. We are not gays but not homophobic... maybe it's the key????????? But I did a 3 way scene with Monica Sweetheart and an american guy (if you want his name try to find the scene in Wild life collection) and just after the cumshot this big boy didn't want to stick his dick in Monica's sweet mouth, because my cum was also there...
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Posted - Apr 28 2003 : 09:08:00 PM
2Big writes:
"I wouldn't mind participating in of those gangbangs where dozens of guys unload on a girl's face. "

I think there are more issues in this thread than the New York Times.

MorbidMOD: Ancillary nonconstructive comment on mass spoogage on a girl removed. If anyone wants to criticise that, there's plenty of bukkake and hotly contested degradation threads in this forum. If anyone wants a general discussion or psychoanalytical conjecture (along with the latent accusations of sexual orientationism) of homosexuals, homosexual acts, or homophobia backed by "studies" that the average porn star may not have reviewed adequately to understand the methodology and issues involved, there's the Sex Talk forum. Any issue with moderation policies should be addressed in email; preferably with a cc to all of the moderators of this forum.

Edited by - morbidthoughts on 4/29/2003 12:37:09 AM

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Well, in that case, someone should take the initiative and start a similar thread in Sex Talk.

Edited by - skronker on 4/29/2003 1:13:18 AM

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Posted - Apr 29 2003 : 01:31:00 AM
Done. Click here to carry on, if your comment is not directly related to how actors feel about the situation.
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Bob
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Posted - Apr 30 2003 : 02:15:00 PM
I think Tristan Seagal has said it exactly right. Adult performers should stick to doing things that are within their own comfort zones, unless they are consciously using their performance work to expand their comfort zones.

Any male actors who get bent all out of shape about getting another guy's cum on them would do well to refrain (for their welfare as well as for the viewer's enjoyment) from performing in "multi guy"-on-girl scenes. Likewise, if they feel freaked out about having their dick or balls touch another guy in the course of the action.

In my view, there's nothing wrong with having preferences or boundaries (don't we all?), but every adult performer (both male and female) should ideally take responsibility for staying out of sexual situations where they feel threatened. It's no good for anybody -- except, perhaps, for people who enjoy viewing true discomfort and those who like to purvey it (a small minority, I hope and believe).

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Posted - Apr 30 2003 : 05:00:00 PM
I'm sure those who are uneasy do refrain. And I don't think they have to be embarrassed. I recall Brad Armstrong saying on a commentary track that he doesn't do DPs because he doesn't like getting that close to the other guy.
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Posted - May 1 2003 : 11:06:00 AM


GaySatyr wrote:


The guys I have problems with are those who tell faggot jokes constantly, those who seethe with anger when they spot two guys hold hands (or even shake hands a bit too long) and those who get upset about penile to penile contact in a DAP sex scene in straight porn. (Never mind cum splatter gone astray! Why are they watching anyway if it upsets them so?) These guys have serious issues!

~ GaySatyr


GaySatyr:

Not sure why you throw me in with the homophobes, the ones who tell gay jokes. First of all, I simply fessed up to being uncomfortable of having someone elses cum accidentally splatter me. Ok, maybe I have issues, defining and defending my heterosexual boundaries.

Secondly, I wondered about the actors, who, after all, are supposedly straight. How do they handle that.

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Posted - May 1 2003 : 02:55:00 PM
2Big ...

Since I don't know you, I can't label you one way or the other - or at least, I shouldn't.

You raised the question of how actors feel about "gay" cumshots and essentially defined a "gay" cumshot as one where, in a 2M-on-1F scene, one of the guys "misses" the girl and hits the other guy with his semen.

My point is this: in a 2M-on-1F scene, it isn't a gay scene - it is a straight scene. In certain acts, there is bound to be M-to-M contact, e.g., DAP or DPP, and when semen shoots, aim is not always perfect. This is still not a gay situation.

If the two guys involved in the action can't handle all the possibilities, then they have serious issues and should most probably not be involved in that kind of scene in the first place.

If the viewer can't handle the various possibilities resulting from such a scene, then he probably has some issues needing attention as well and/or maybe he should look for other types of porn that meet his needs more narrowly.

It really irks me that things are so constantly turned into "gay" issues, always with the stench of a negative connotation. I hear the "that's too gay" stuff all the time. I don't go around saying "that's too straight."

I'm the one who, in real life, has to watch two teenagers - male/female, by the way - making out in the park knowing full well that were they two males, they would be arrested for public indecency if they were lucky and beaten to a pulp and left for dead if they were unlucky.

I like the attitude expressed by tristan seagal above where he recounted his experience with Manuel Ferrara. And I think the anonymous American he describes from another encounter is a bigot and should be labeled as such.

And that is just me - letting off steam. If the shoe fits, wear it only if you want to.

~ GaySatyr

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Bob
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Posted - May 1 2003 : 07:37:00 PM
GaySatyr,

For what it's worth, I think that (along with Tristan Seagal) you have now said it exactly right.

And when I read what you wrote:


It really irks me that things are so constantly turned into "gay" issues, always with the stench of a negative connotation. I hear the "that's too gay" stuff all the time. I don't go around saying "that's too straight."
and

I'm the one who, in real life, has to watch two teenagers - male/female, by the way - making out in the park knowing full well that were they two males, they would be arrested for public indecency if they were lucky and beaten to a pulp and left for dead if they were unlucky.
it made me feel both tremendous empathy for you and a great sense of sadness (and even despair) about American society's moral and intellectual bankruptcy in the area of sexual values.

From my perspective, you're doing a lot more than simply "letting off steam" -- I believe you are giving voice to the feelings of many people from all over the sexual spectrum -- but your steam alone, in response to the sorry condition of our culture, is more than justified.


2Big,

This is no knock on you. You expressed your personal discomfort, as well as your curiosity about the actors' attitudes, in an honest, open, non-judgmental manner. You also sparked some very intense and worthwhile discussion.

That's one of the great things that this website is all about.

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