How many Hollywood rejects end up in porn?

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curious1
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Posted - Apr 2 2013 : 03:50:03 AM
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

The % of actors and models that can make it big or "make ends meet" solely by acting or modeling is relatively small.

I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.


I know for sure porn actor Mark Davis came to Hollywood with dreams of being an actor.

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pat362
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Posted - Apr 2 2013 : 09:20:55 PM
^I imagine the number is huge and that most of them will never make it above the odd job as an extra on tv shows or movies. Most of these people who are waiting to be discovered are working as waiters, waitresses, bartenders and a slew of other menial jobs during the day or evening and then attending acting classes on their time off. The number of actual acting jobs vs the number of people looking to fill those jobs is probably worse than it is in porn and you already know how bad that is.

The number of people who come to Hollywood looking for real acting jobs and who after a number of years drift toward porn is so small that it's nealy non-existant.
Someone who wants to be an actor won't do porn because they know that their chances of getting mainstream roles will disapear once it's known that they did porn and it always is. If porn was a gateway to mainstream Hollywood then we'd have had dozens if not hundreds of porn performers who did mainstream roles over the years. The best role most porn performers can expect in mainstream media is the naked person without dialogue who's on screen long enough for the viewer to see them naked.

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Geri
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Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 02:47:31 AM
^^^^^^

Actually whilst they may face a lot of prejudice, quite a few adult performers do get some "mainstream" work. And occasionally a mainstream project comes up where they actually want an adult performer for a role - usually a minor role.

Ginger Lynn, who often appears as Ginger Lynn Allen in non porn productions, is a good example of a porn actress who has done a considerable amount of non porn work.
Ginger Lynn at IMDb
She has also appeared as Ginger Lynn Allen in porn sometimes, so it is hardly an alias.

You'll see that she's done several movies in the Horror genre, which is traditionally more welcoming to adult performers than most other genres.

There are also adult performers who are trained theater actors who continue to get some stage roles. There's more to "mainstream" than just Hollywood.

Edited by - Geri on 4/3/2013 2:50:25 AM

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 09:48:16 AM
Have you seen those Hollywood people? I think it would be better to ask how many porn rejects end up in Hollywood.
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zambi
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Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 02:52:38 PM

During the 70s there were a lot of failed actors and theater performers who entered porn industry but that was when production was based in NYC. Lot of famous porn actors from that era had actually done some acting or at least went to acting school. A few like Jamie Gillis, R Bolla, Wade Nichols, Eric Edwards actually appeared in mainstream movies, TV shows, and commercials (check their IMDB pages). Likewise some of the women were also failed performers (Georgina Spelvin, Veronica Hart, Kelly Nichols) or 'models' (Marylin Chambers) who quickly drifted in nude modeling, stripping, escorting, porn and live sex shows to make money.

Nowadays almost every female performer is an ex-stripper/nude model, and/or escort who chooses to go into porn in order to increase their rates for feature dancing and escorting. Some of them may claim to have come to LA to get into acting but almost all of them were doing some type of sex work before they came to LA and none of them have actually had any training as an actor. The males are mostly unemployed guys who stumbled into porn via their girlfriends or friends in the industry. Some of them like Evan Stone and Tommy Gunn were male strippers who got into porn via female stripper friends who had done porn. I think maybe Randy Spears is one of the few modern era performers who had some real acting training before he got into porn.

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pat362
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Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 09:13:29 PM


Geri wrote:

quite a few adult performers do get some "mainstream" work.


How many is a few because I would think that the number of porn performers who do any kind of mainstream roles is tiny compared to those that don't. I would also like to add that as I stated earlier. Being the token naked girl is not really a mainstream role. It's just a better payed extra.



Ginger Lynn, who often appears as Ginger Lynn Allen in non porn productions, is a good example of a porn actress who has done a considerable amount of non porn work.

She has appeared in over two dozen mainstream/semi-maistream movies over the last 20 plus years but most of those roles are not main ones and they probably involved nudity so we are back at talking porn girls being good for only nude scenes.

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dnice
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Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 09:49:34 PM
Janine lindemulder teri weigel were hollywood hopefuls but i guess porn paid better for them
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zambi
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Posted - Apr 4 2013 : 06:50:41 PM
^ Janine was a stripper and Teri Weigel was a lingerie model before doing porn.


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obo
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Posted - Apr 4 2013 : 10:22:55 PM
Teri Weigel Was Playmate of the Month for April of 1986. She is the only Playmate to get into porn after posing in Hefner's magazine.
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hoochimama
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Posted - Apr 5 2013 : 07:08:25 AM
B-movie actresses who eventually switch to porn when they give up are my fav.


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localour
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Posted - Apr 5 2013 : 06:11:58 PM


obo wrote:
Teri Weigel Was Playmate of the Month for April of 1986. She is the only Playmate to get into porn after posing in Hefner's magazine.

You over looked Spencer Scott, Playboy Playmate of Month for October of 2007. She to is a XXX Pornstar now too.

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Dechevier
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Posted - Apr 5 2013 : 06:38:33 PM


zambi wrote:

I think maybe Randy Spears is one of the few modern era performers who had some real acting training before he got into porn.


I remember an interview where he talked about how his mainstream acting career was moving along well, until the writers guild strike in the late 80s brought it to a halt. That's how he ended up getting into porn.

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Geri
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Posted - Apr 6 2013 : 03:05:49 AM


pat362 wrote:

How many is a few because I would think that the number of porn performers who do any kind of mainstream roles is tiny compared to those that don't. I would also like to add that as I stated earlier. Being the token naked girl is not really a mainstream role. It's just a better payed extra.



"Quite a few" means a significant number. It doesn't mean a majority.

There's a list on wikipedia which gets regular updates.It's inclusive of everything from being an extra, cameo, to starring role.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pornographic_actors_who_appeared_in_mainstream_films

Kayden Kross isn't in that list either and she definitely should be.
Kayden Kross IMBd



Ginger Lynn, who often appears as Ginger Lynn Allen in non porn productions, is a good example of a porn actress who has done a considerable amount of non porn work.

She has appeared in over two dozen mainstream/semi-maistream movies over the last 20 plus years but most of those roles are not main ones and they probably involved nudity so we are back at talking porn girls being good for only nude scenes.


If you do a thorough investigation I think you'll find that quite a lot of her non porn movie and TV work did not involve nudity and did involve dialogue. She is somewhat of an exception I'd say.


Edited by - Geri on 4/6/2013 5:22:45 PM

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Posted - Apr 6 2013 : 10:45:12 PM
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aclayfan
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Posted - Apr 7 2013 : 12:27:27 AM
The New York X-rated performers of the 70's were sometimes Broadway hopefuls. Those films had a significant amount of dialogue, so some acting talent was useful. Abigail Clayton (where i got aclayfan from) did a little bit of mainstream work as Gail Lawrence.
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Posted - Jun 2 2013 : 10:47:26 PM
Philip Toubus (aka Paul Thomas) played St. Peter in the movie version of Jesus Christ Superstar. He also had some starring roles on Broadway.

He once played piano and sang in a golden age porn movie. The chorus was "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." I sat in the theater, enjoyed the song immensely and didn't mind that there wasn't so much as an onscreen boob for three minutes.

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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 01:52:13 AM


localour wrote:


obo wrote:
Teri Weigel Was Playmate of the Month for April of 1986. She is the only Playmate to get into porn after posing in Hefner's magazine.

You over looked Spencer Scott, Playboy Playmate of Month for October of 2007. She to is a XXX Pornstar now too.


There are also Linn Thomas and Victoria Zdrok--although they only ever did lesbian scenes, as Miss Scott seems inclined to do. Teri Weigel is the only Playmate to my knowledge to ever have a cock in her mouth and pussy on camera.

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Don Fernando
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 04:03:44 AM


curious1 wrote:
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

The % of actors and models that can make it big or "make ends meet" solely by acting or modeling is relatively small.

I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.

I know for sure porn actor Mark Davis came to Hollywood with dreams of being an actor.


I was a Hollywood reject. Wiped off the dirt, dived into porn and never looked back!

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Don Fernando
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 04:10:06 AM


CummingLinguist wrote:
Philip Toubus (aka Paul Thomas) played St. Peter in the movie version of Jesus Christ Superstar. He also had some starring roles on Broadway.

He once played piano and sang in a golden age porn movie. The chorus was "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." I sat in the theater, enjoyed the song immensely and didn't mind that there wasn't so much as an onscreen boob for three minutes.


PT was not a Hollywood reject as he was accepted and had a starring role in a film musical in "Jesus Christ- Superstar". If one put it as "PT was not a Hollywood success" - now that would hold true IMO.

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CummingLinguist
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 09:12:48 AM
^ Your main point is well taken.

Still, I should note that except for Judas, the Apostles functioned as the chorus, and Peter's denial was basically his only solo. In the language of opera his denial was recitative (sung dialogue, as opposed to an aria), so I would hardly call it a starring role.

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phaedrus
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 09:55:26 AM


curious1 wrote:
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

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I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.


I may be mis remembering this but I either read or it was in a BTS where Amber Rayne said that she was on "The West Wing" (most likely as an extra). Her IMDB bio says, " Amber has a BA in Theater Arts and a Minor in Art History from California State University-Los Angeles."

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OLJ
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 12:12:08 PM
Currently, at least, it looks like there are a lot more stripper moving 'up' into porn, than people aiming for Hollywood and moving 'down' (like, about half of them to zero). Based on the modelymayhem pages a number of girls come into the business with, it looks like a lot of those strippers may have once had mainstream modeling aspirations, but hey, shit happens.
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Sovereign Syre
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 01:45:16 PM
I think you see a lot more of the Hollywood rejects on the other side of the camera. Directors mostly, who wanted to become mainstream filmmakers.

I've been in the industry about two years now, and I can't think of any girl that told me she wanted to be an actress. Most were nurses/caretakers, bank tellers, or waitresses, who got into porn for the experience and excitement and money. Then there are those who came in as strippers, or nude models on the pro-am circuit who got into porn for the money and the attention.

I think in the digital age, everyone understands that porn will follow you and most mainstream acting opportunities will frown on it, so there are relatively few that get in if they have those types of aspirations.

Just my two cents.

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hoochimama
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 07:34:44 PM


Sovereign Syre wrote:
I think you see a lot more of the Hollywood rejects on the other side of the camera. Directors mostly, who wanted to become mainstream filmmakers.

I was under the impression most good directors actually started off with smut, it's just one of those things you do.



Sovereign Syre wrote:
I've been in the industry about two years now, and I can't think of any girl that told me she wanted to be an actress.

You've mostly been in scenes with de facto hardcore pornstars, it's a different story with glamour/playboytv/playboylive models, they seem to figure that if what they do is only on pbtv or on a camshow nobody will see it and it won't "count", and I believe a few of the G/G pornstars who do softcore features(heather vandeven, melissa jacobs) would also like to act.


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Sovereign Syre
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Posted - Jun 3 2013 : 07:54:09 PM
I think that it used to be that everyone was moonlighting in porn in terms of crew, that's what I learned from a few documentaries on the history of smut. Not sure if that's how it is now. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way, but the thread title was hollywood rejects. I think that some people come here to make money and realize they like it and decide to stay, or many realize that Hollywood is far skeezier than porn etc.

I'm a g/g only performer so I've worked with everything from glamour girls, to hardcore gonzo girls, to cam girls, to Asa Akira and Dana Vespoli. I think Zoe Voss wanted a go at modeling and Elle Alexandra is undecided. Of at least a hundred girls I've met that's really only two that had any mainstream aspirations in the entertainment field.

I'm not speaking for everyone, just offering my experience.

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Posted - Jun 4 2013 : 09:13:58 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Traci Lords, who left porn to go mainstream. She never became a household name so to speak, but she has had several major film roles over the years. Mostly in Horror yes, though not always. She has also had several TV roles, and is a musician.

Also, there are those in Hollywood with "Sex Tapes". While they are not necessarily Porn Stars according to the mainstream, the fact remains that those titles are XXX and feature mainstream stars engaging in sex on camera. There have been many over the years. From Pam Anderson back in the day to the latest, Farrah Abraham, who actually went so far as to hire James Deen and "accidentally" leak the tape for a cool $1 Million or more.

IMO those titles qualify as porn from mainstream stars, and they are not the death knell of their careers. In fact, it may well be a benefit. I forget where I read it, but Farrah Abraham is getting another "Teen Mom" style show sometime soon (I can't recall the details). This means that despite her getting plowed in the ass by James Deen on camera for our viewing pleasure, she still can enjoy her status as a "mainstream actress".

And speaking of Mr Deen, he has been in some mainstream movies himself recently, and I've seen his name in the news on a number of different occasions. I can hardly believe that if more mainstream offers - and the $$ and fame that accompanies it - get offered to him, he'd turn it down.

With so many of those "Sex Tape" titles on the market, you have to wonder if this will - in time - facilitate a more accepting environment for those in the porn industry who may want to transition into mainstream success. I read earlier in this thread that not many right now have the desire to do so. But if mainstream Hollywood were more accepting, and there was a track record of success stories, I have no doubt the number of those making the change - or even doing both - would increase significantly.

Personally, I'd love to see Megan Fox make the switch to porn. Just sayin'...

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Posted - Jun 5 2013 : 10:08:06 AM


Blacksheep wrote:

Personally, I'd love to see Megan Fox make the switch to porn. Just sayin'...


+1

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Posted - Jun 5 2013 : 12:41:13 PM


Sovereign Syre wrote:
I think you see a lot more of the Hollywood rejects on the other side of the camera. Directors mostly, who wanted to become mainstream filmmakers.

Interesting.

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Posted - Jun 5 2013 : 03:28:12 PM
There is also plenty of technical crew from Hollywood moonlighting on the other side.

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Posted - Jun 5 2013 : 03:54:58 PM


curious1 wrote:
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.


I'll bet it's a very small percent, here is a list of some:

Harry Reems
Hershel Savage
Jack Baker
Jennifer Welles
Jerry Butler
Jon Dough
Lisa DeLeeuw
Mike Horner?
Rocco Siffredi
Scotty Schwartz
Steven St. Croix
Tee Reel - Behind the camera
Tony Tedeschi



curious1 wrote:


I know for sure porn actor Mark Davis came to Hollywood with dreams of being an actor.


I believe Mark Davis started out as a stripper.

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Posted - Nov 25 2013 : 05:38:01 AM


pornologist wrote:


curious1 wrote:
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.


I'll bet it's a very small percent, here is a list of some:

Jack Baker


Jack Baker, RIP (1994). I was tickled when I saw him in that legendary "Kentucky Fried Movie" scene probably way before his porn career started.

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CummingLinguist wrote:
^ Your main point is well taken.

Still, I should note that except for Judas, the Apostles functioned as the chorus, and Peter's denial was basically his only solo. In the language of opera his denial was recitative (sung dialogue, as opposed to an aria), so I would hardly call it a starring role.


Two actually as "Could We Start Again" was sung by him and Yvonne Elliman (Mary Magdalene)

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Don Fernando
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Posted - Oct 17 2014 : 10:02:53 PM


pornologist wrote:


curious1 wrote:
So many people come to Hollywood to try and make it as actors and models.

I wonder how many actors and models just give up and just do porn instead.


I'll bet it's a very small percent, here is a list of some:

Don Fernando
Harry Reems
Hershel Savage
Jack Baker
Jennifer Welles
Jerry Butler
Jon Dough
Lisa DeLeeuw
Mike Horner?
Rocco Siffredi
Scotty Schwartz
Steven St. Croix
Tee Reel - Behind the camera
Tony Tedeschi



curious1 wrote:

I know for sure porn actor Mark Davis came to Hollywood with dreams of being an actor.


I believe Mark Davis started out as a stripper.

Pornologist -

I updated the list :)


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Kiara Mia - pretty much said so herself, but I cant remember where I heard her say that.

Sophia Fiore - starred in a failed sitcom pilot that was produced for Disney I believe,

Im not sure, but Raylene always came across as someone who could have been the female lead on a sitcom. She just had that personality and that's one of the reasons I liked her.

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Jack Baker, RIP (1994). I was tickled when I saw him in that legendary "Kentucky Fried Movie" scene probably way before his porn career started.


This guy was on an episode of Happy Day's. Played a token black musician at a party hosted by Richie.

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