|Posted - May 16 2011 : 4:07PM|
Katja kassan just admitted on twitter she hates making her scenes.
This got me thinking if a girl admitted to hating making her scenes.
is it wrong to continue to watch them and jerk off to someone elses misery.
I'm morally conflicted, I have the scenes of sierra sinns, penny flame
I have deleted most of it.
I mean I dont want to be like those guys at XPT who get off on pain and suffering.
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|Posted - May 16 2011 : 4:35PM|
Erm, Katja isn't doing porn, so your use of the present tense - (she hates making her scenes) - is confusing me.
At any rate, do these performers hate it because it causes them pain and suffering, or because of other reasons?
I ask because I loved playing guitar but hated the bullshit that went along with touring. That doesn't mean I objected to the people who came to listen or bought our records.
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|Posted - May 16 2011 : 5:28PM|
Also some girl may have regrets for it for example there are pornstars saying they found God so they hate what they have done this doesn't mean they were suffering or getting hurt doing porn.
Also it is fairly common for them to put basis for a new life after quitting none of them would admit they actually had fun , this could bring troubles when they get married , it's simple safe to say it wasn't fun
Of course in most cases they actually don't have fun an so is for the male performers it's a job ,you know you can't be sure you'll be actually in the mood for sex for example thursday moning from 9 AM to Noon and again from 2 PM to 6 PM the same day as scheduled a couple weeks before
It's all mostly acting remember that , unfortunately having a lot of sex might trigger social issues whether it's acted or enjoyed
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|Posted - May 16 2011 : 6:54PM|
Most girls actually have fun on set and like performing. When they get out its another story. Most blame porn for all the troubles they have. The real problem is they are not prepared for the real world, people no longer cater to every whim they have and they have to adjust to making normal money. Its very hard to go from being the center of attention to being normal and average. So its very easy to blame it all on the horrible porn industry.
If you don't want to shoot porn don't get into the industry. But don't use it as an excuse for bad decision making.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 1:50AM|
What would you expect them to say when they live in a society in which it's practically considered your civic duty to harass a former porn performer the instant you find out about her past? If they don't have some moron in their face with a Bible, they have some pretentious gasbag spouting psychobabble at them about how they were so innocent and so naive (I can't believe this shit still flies in 2011).
Good for you. I'm sure they're relieved. I deleted most of Sierra Sinn's scenes that I had a long time ago but mainly because they just weren't that good and my hard drive is only so big. I was never a fan of Penny Flame in the first place.
That's a relief. All this time I was sitting over here biting my nails worrying about your guilty conscience.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 3:18AM|
What twitter account are you looking at?
The one she confirms is really hers, @katjakassin_xxx , has no recent entries that say anything like this.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 6:56AM|
i personally could never watch a star again if they said something like that.
i have had soo many arguements with ex partners over porn..usually them saying the women are degraded and used and hate doing it. my come back was the women are the stars in porn unlike mainstream movies..and that if they didnt love sex then its the wrong line of work
for a star to come out and say they hated it i would definetely not be watching her ever again
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 9:11AM|
>i personally could never watch a star again if they said something like that.
No star would say that when they are in service. They would also claim to have real orgasms. OTOH it is pretty obvious that an average woman wont like having sex with a paid partner, that too in front of a camera (there may be exceptions with swingers such as Nina Hartley). The higher fees paid to female stars is meant to overcome this barrier.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 9:44AM|
It's a job. Obviously most of them wouldn't do it for free. But you'll never get any accurate statistics on this so its meaningless to speculate other than to recognize that that some love their job, some are ok with it, and some probably dislike it but don't have many better alternatives. There are sad stories in every profession.
Your post isn't focused or specific and since your claim about Katja has been questioned I'm not really going to bother to go into more detail. This topic has been debated to death anyway, so unless someone comes up with an interesting perspective this is a meaningless exercise.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 9:49AM|
Indeed. To the point to where someone who comes along and starts a new topic about it is suspected of trolling. One could do a very rudimentary search on the topic and find enough material to read for hours. And then one of the old threads could easily be bumped if it was really so urgent to discuss it.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 11:20AM|
I wouldn't buy that argument. A mainstream movie makes the woman star look like a star; she is truly the center of attention and the movie is about her. OTOH a porno prominently features the woman on the boxcover, but the actual thrust of the movie is about the guys whom she is servicing and the various ways in which she is servicing them.
The guys are receiving pleasure while the girls are providing/delivering the pleasure to the guys.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 12:10PM|
Can't say I necessarily agree with all of that, but probably agree with most of it.
I mean it seems pretty clear to me now, that the transition from porn to normal civilian isn't always an easy one. Not sure society will ever quite catch up to pornstars true existence and right to exist after a career ends. Porn clearly isn't a business that's easy to be in or stay in. Truthfully, it doesn't appear that many truly talk kindly about the business, once they've been out of it for a while. I don't take much of it at face value, simply because I don't believe most of them were "that" great of an actor or actress.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 12:36PM|
^This mirrors the non-porn world.
Disgruntled ex-employee will make noises about how bad the ex-employer was.
Jobseeking ex-employee will toot their own horn and and make noises about how great the ex-employer was
Career-changing ex-employee will selectively/strategically/diplomatically talk about ex-employer only as necessary,
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|Posted - May 17 2011 : 12:46PM|
Has she found The Lord or something? It doesn't make any sense if she didn't.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 1:58PM|
I don't know Ramsey, although it should be noted that Katja still posts here occasionally, as she said she would.
I really don't take too much of what any fan or poster said, about any current or former posnstar, at face value. They often overreact, misinterpret, or lie sometimes. Some even have axes-to-grind. I heard many things pornstars have supposedly said, refuted by the pornstars themselves. Katja seems like she's often misunderstood or misinterpreted, though she always seems pretty clear on how she feels or what she says to me. I just don't think she sometimes says what people expects or especially wants to here.
Not everyone is a lifer in porn, nor do they want to be. That is their right. Hey life goes on after 500+ films. Hey I'm just happy she stayed as long as she did.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 2:16PM|
Apropos of nothing, I find the above very annoying and it happens here all the time. Discouraging new posting was against the rules in my online forums. If you want to become an archive, fine. If not, no one is forcing people to read new threads here. Post links to previous relevant topics if you can be helpful. Bumped threads are less likely to turn into new informative discussions because often the original posters have moved on so the discussion becomes disjointed.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 4:43PM|
April Blossom once told me matter-of-factly that when she goes to work she gets to ride a big cock and get paid well for it.
Though it wasn't said with drool coming out of her mouth, it wasn't said to titillate me either.
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|Posted - May 17 2011 : 6:50PM|
The OP is clearly Anti porn. This is just another feeble attempt to try and convince people that porn is 'bad'.
Katja quit porn. She never said she hated it.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 6:57PM|
Besides if she hated porn why is she stll posting here?
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 7:18PM|
@Guam: Totally agree. New members should be encouraged to bring fresh perspectives to subjects worthy of debate.
Have not seen many Katja Kassan scenes, because she was an anal queen. I do remember her posting somewhere that she only likes vaginal sex IRL, so it seems entirely plausible that it wasn't enjoyable work.
The theories posted why she would lie about it seem delusional. A desire to believe that most women like anal, when they don't.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 8:42PM|
Thank you! I completely agree. This archive attitude is one of the most annoying things about on-line forums in general.
At the end of the day, it is what it is.
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 9:26PM|
There was a biographer who claimed that Tiger Woods always hated golf (and this was before his run in with a 9 iron on his wind shield).
Edited by - ControlFreak on 5/17/2011 9:27:12 PM
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 10:03PM|
I actually miss working in the industry very much.
I suppose I was lucky to work with wonderful people who were respectful and kind.
But then again, I only worked in a few scenes and was much older than the average rookie. I also love to experiment sexually and push my boundaries.
The hardest part about working in adult films was learning to deal with rejection and learning to hold my own in a room filled with rather jaded men.
It can also be tough on one's self-esteem, because no matter how hard you try, you can never be hot/pretty/sexual/interesting enough for all the fans out there.
An athlete was asked by a reporter how he dealt with being booed by spectators. He replied that he didn't hear the boos because he didn't hear the cheers either.
I look back and I feel fortunate to be given the opportunity to work in adult films. It forever changed my opinion of sex workers and the "appropriateness" of certain sexual acts. I learned that as far as sex is concerned, it is better to try almost anything once than to look back at missed opportunities with regret.
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick!
|Posted - May 17 2011 : 11:30PM|
It doesn't make much difference to me whether the performers like it or not. The only thing that's important is whether it's a good scene or not.
Edited by - rosco fuji on 5/17/2011 11:31:26 PM
|Posted - May 18 2011 : 12:01AM|
Maybe to keep herescort rate high! She has said she doesn't get enough respect via the adult industry and not treated right, especially now! One of the most complex Pornstar's out there!
And then you have Shelley Lubben's ex-pornstar crowd who claim they didn't like doing porn. They were drugged out and taken advantage of. Also they were led down the wrong path by a suitcase pimp or some other type of story!
|Posted - May 18 2011 : 12:05AM|
You know some of you guys are starting to sound like people who have beefs with certain pornstars and actively seek them out.
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick!
|Posted - May 18 2011 : 12:11AM|
Are you sure about that?
|Posted - May 18 2011 : 12:19AM|
Why wouldn't they be? Clearly they Katja better than she knows herself.
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|Posted - May 18 2011 : 1:08AM|
I checked out tons of super-duper intelligent Katja's recent tweets (the official one, where she talks about her studies).
I never saw a tweet about her "hating" all of her scenes. However, there was a discussion about the value of work...and a tweet clearly indicating porn didn't satisfy her in that regard.
As for the original post, I think it's a perfectly fine question to ask & ponder.
I personally can't look at that deepthroat movie normally because of the accusations surrounding it.
In general, I get totally turned off if there's even a hint of wrongdoing or controversy surrounding a title. There's no special investigator or ombudsman who can investigate these things. So I don't feel I should take the risk and compromise my own morality because there's a slight chance an odd girl is lying.
Frankly, those who take the opposite view are just living up to the stereotype of the creepy compromised old man who isn't fit to be in decent company.
|Posted - May 19 2011 : 3:04AM|
Pornstars lie. Buttholes shit. Get over it.
|Posted - May 19 2011 : 3:59PM|
yeah Im not anti-porn, Ive actually shot a couple of porn movies.
Edited by - tbetts12 on 5/19/2011 4:12:46 PM
|Posted - May 19 2011 : 4:53PM|
Anal wouldn't exist if pornstars loved it.
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|Posted - May 19 2011 : 5:11PM|
Like John W said, this is a job.
After awhile, when the fun wears out, and it feels like a job, then it can be tedious.
That can be applied to any job.
I am sure it would be really fun to be a rock star, unless you are a rock star.
I hated the restaurant business after I stopped being a waiter in 1978, but I still go out to eat.
"Regrets, I've had a few," as Frank said, but you move forward.
Everyone of these performers knew what they were getting into. Once you piss in the pool, the pool is pissed in. There is no taking a mulligan in porn.
If you are lucky enough to have shot stuff in the late 1970s, early 1980s, most of that stuff is gone and forgotten.
But nowadays, it is cyberized, and it will never go away.
You can't unring the bell, so no sense to even try.
If she hated doing it, and she was hot and the scenes are good, I would for sure watch it.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 12:21AM|
tbetts12: Still waiting for you to support your claim that "Katja kassan just admitted on twitter she hates making her scenes"
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|Posted - May 20 2011 : 1:15AM|
I do remember Katja's blog, and she did seem to refer to porn mostly as a job, saying, "I'm good at what I do." That is obviously true, but I don't remember her writing that she loved it. And she did seem to dwell on the aspects she disliked more than those she liked. That could just be a natural part of the job, though. Like Joe Garagiola said, "Losing hurts worse than winning feels good." Maybe the stuff that bothers performers is more accute.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 2:54AM|
After looking around on her twitter page, I can't find anything like that. What I did find is a post KatjaKassin made on Jan 8 2008:
I'm not discounting the possibility that Katja changed her story since then or may in the future. But the evidence for that has not been presented.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 3:49AM|
Porn wouldn't exist if women loved the kind of dirty sex a lot of men want.
OK. That's a subjective opinion but it's mine and I stand by it. Porn is just like any paycheck. If every woman wanted to do it for free, you wouldn't have to pay them. You might get a blowjob out of your GF if she really likes you. You might get a blowjob out of a random girl you met in a bar if she's really horny or if you're really hot. If you're an ugly 40 year old truck driver with a beer belly and a pedo mustache you're probably not going to get a blowjob unless you pay for it. The likelihood that the fat, ugly out of shape trucker is going to do anal on a hot babe for free is just about zero. Unless his wife happens to be a hot babe. And even then, he's probably going to have to do some begging.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 6:09AM|
Harri: The comments he's referring to were made on the 9th of May.
If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun!
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 12:16PM|
A lot of people don't like what they are doing. Whether they do porn, work for an insurance company, lay bricks or drive a bus, many are doing it for nothing more than the money it brings. So I'm not exactly shocked to hear that she might not have liked doing it. I like it, but it's not my main job, and I can pick & choose what I want or don't want to shoot. The mortgage never depends on whether or not I shoot a scene. I very much like & am dedicated to my "everyday" job, so that's not an issue either. I like sex, I like the attention, but I don't want to have to depend on my living for it. For those who do, I can understand why there are days, or your entire career that you are just doing it for the cash.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 12:42PM|
To the OP: Whether it's wrong to watch those scenes or not is entirely up to you. If believing that the performer didn't enjoy the scene ruins it for you, why watch it? I mean, it's your porn, who cares whether everyone else thinks it's right or wrong?
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 7:50PM|
I once worked at McDonalds for about 3 monthss. I wonder if any customers ever felt bad about eating the burgers... Cuz I sure as fuck hated making those.
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|Posted - May 20 2011 : 8:05PM|
^ Consider the people who actually processed the meat.
|Posted - May 20 2011 : 8:57PM|
Now alot of that shame is because our culture is still up tight about
I love porn but it is in no way comparable to flipping burgers.
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 1:38AM|
^ Well, I agree that since sex is involved, it is much more serious when you're talking about porn. But the principle is the same, I think. If you enjoy the product, does it matter if the person who accepts the money to produce it enjoys it? It seems like porn is the only service or product where people ask this question. You rarely hear people wondering if the Asian children who made their Nikes enjoyed their job. But damn, I likes me some Nikes :)
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Edited by - killbillvol69 on 5/21/2011 2:30:36 PM
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 5:46AM|
Oh, you mean people like you?
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 11:21AM|
Why would I be uncomfortable watching the scenes? Because someone was insecure and dumb enough to do something they hated over and over and over again? Really?
Katja never looked like she hated her scenes. She was one of the most enthusiastic and sexy performers out there. Which is why she was booked so often.
Why would she torture herself doing porn if she didn't enjoy it? I could see her burning out after a while, any pornstar for that matter.
But anyone doing porn that hates it is a complete and utter fool in my book. Porn is not slavery. No one is forcing women into porn. There are other ways to make money and have a career other than doing porn.
I'm not buying that any pornstar that stays in it for a long time hates porn. If Katja did, she would have gotten out of it a whole lot sooner than she did. Any girl would. Now if some girl that performed a handful of scenes says this, I might buy it. But not some long-term pornstar that had a extremely long career. That would be insane of her to do if she hated it.
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick!
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 1:47PM|
I caught a scene in a comp release and as soon as the guy busted it on the girl's face she broke down and started sobbing in an "'OMG what have I done" moment. I'm suprised she signed the release.
That's the thing though, if a person hates doing porn that much, why keep doing it? If they continue on just for the money, they are just lazy and have
No other non naked jobs that don't require sex with strangers can be used as an example, because no matter how much one hates being a hostess at Applebees, its not like getting DP"d for the camera so people can spank it off.
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 2:28PM|
Yes. OK. So a person goes and makes the choice to get a couple of dicks up their ass. I'm sorry but if they decide they didn't like it 15 minutes later, that's their problem. The examples are being used for people who can't seem to understand that people are supposed to think about things before they do them. You know? Like anything a person does they might like it and they might not. But they should have known they might not like it (or have second thoughts or whatever this nonsense is) before they did it. If they decide to do it and don't like it, they should stop doing it.
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick!
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 3:48PM|
Oh please! Continuing to do a non porn job and continuing to do porn are 2 completely differentt concepts and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same thread. There aren't too many videos devoted to the fry clerk at McD's, nor does the average fry clerk get hounded about doing an I/R anal so people can jerk off to her.
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 4:29PM|
Everyone, at some point, hates their job at one time or another. If she said it, it might have been in one of those moments where she got asked something about it for the billionth time and she got frustrated. People on Twitter tend to ask the famous people they follow stupid things (I'm guilty of it too!). She's retired, has moved on, and should be allowed to enjoy her life without 500 people running up to her saying "I fapped to your scene with so-and-so this morning!!!!!"
I haven't seen this mysterious post she made, so I can't say one way or the other whether she said it or not. And I don't care if she did say it, personally. It doesn't take anything away from my fandom of her.
|Posted - May 21 2011 : 5:00PM|
Any one famous can avoid fan based problems and there plenty whom have no problems! Setting up a twitter or facebook page, especially Pornstars; set up a fan page and a family/friends page! Use the lock features and only except who you want! The problem is most love the attention and people telling there the greatest; they can't live with out it.
Pornstar's have the control of who, when and how they do there scenes! So there should never be the problem of hating to make their scenes. Work with there husband, do stuff on a their website, only feature dance or just escort! In porn you can control your work schedule. Most importantly if you truly don't enjoy fucking on the camera don't do or stop doing!
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