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-Kelly-
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3731 Posts
5/03
Posted - Jun 23 2004 : 11:43PM
Hey, how's it going, I have Skinimax. I flip through and see plenty of softcore flicks. And I always find it funny that their editing and camera angles are so bad that you can often see the clothe placed over the guy's johnson or you can flat out see it tucked away between his legs, far away from penetrating the woman. But I've always read and heard stories that sometimes, very infrequently mind you, those softcore people actually do it. However, does this have any validity to it or is just a porn urban legend. With the evidence at hand, the only time it looks like the performers might concievably go all the way is in girl/girl scenes. Kelly
croy
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Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 2:21AM
I remember an interview with Bonita Saint, back before she had her implants. She had done some videos for Penthouse, all softcore. She said on the couples one, the guy ate her out.
vodka tonic
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who
3569 Posts
11/02
Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 3:20AM
Is that in the foursome w. Julia Ann in "Penthouse Forum Letters", because I have this clip.
And it's been years since I haven't seen a sock or a cloth on a guy's loin in softcore. Playboy's "Sexy Urban Legends" has put the doubt into my mind many a times, especially when they hire porn performers. Some of Torchlight's productions for DirecTV I'm 99% has some real sex going on, with the scenes sometimes lasting for more than 12 minutes. Recent examples are "Educating Elaina" with Ander Page or "Community Swingers" where internet pinup Mindy Vega has a 15-minute scene with a hunk I later saw her doing hardcore with for her website. BY the way, if Dumbblonde reads this, have you solved the problems finding those DirecTV channels on your cable system ? I launched a request on sreviews forum but didn't get an answer, sorry... (you just HAVE to catch "Secrets of a Secretary", great scene b/w August Night & Rafe ).

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Zoid
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Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 11:27AM
Actually, I have wondered the same myself. However, my concern was mainly about how guys are able to keep 'it' down during the scenes.



And I always find it funny that their editing and camera angles are so bad that you can often see the clothe placed over the guy's johnson or you can flat out see it tucked away between his legs, far away from penetrating the woman.

I've seen this sort of editing in many soft. flicks. Somehow, I think they do it on purpose, showing that sex is not real. Maybe it influences the rating, I don't know.

Btw, I also saw 'silver seashells' being used.

dumblonde
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Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 1:02PM

vodka tonic wrote:
BY the way, if Dumbblonde reads this, have you solved the problems finding those DirecTV channels on your cable system ? I launched a request on sreviews forum but didn't get an answer, sorry... (you just HAVE to catch "Secrets of a Secretary", great scene b/w August Night & Rafe ).

Thanks for that, VT. All I could find out is that channels 100 - 197 on DirecTV are PPV, so I'll just have to keep an eye out for those movies :)

vodka tonic
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who
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11/02
Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 2:36PM
All I know is that the softcore movies are all on channels 171, 172 & 173. No edited hardcore there, just original softcore movies, mainly by MRG (Robert Lombard) & Torchlight (the ones with the 10 minutes scenes, most of their titles include "wife" or "wives", don't ask me why). I have no idea what a C-Band is. I get these movies from a premium newsgroup. I give them French softcore, they give me US softcore, sometimes we even get German or Hong-Kong softcore, life is beautiful.
Saki
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Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 7:28PM

Zoid wrote:
Actually, I have wondered the same myself. However, my concern was mainly about how guys are able to keep 'it' down during the scenes.

Have you seen the British comedy Love Actually ? One of the sub plots is a romance between two softcore adult actors that seems to indicate that it's not as exciting as one might think.

Another way to look at it is that porn actors have little difficulty at being flaccid up to the actual sex act (and sometimes later ) despite the situation.

- Saki [faqs]

Edited by - saki on 6/25/2004 12:50:16 AM

Loraine
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3/04
Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 9:57PM
On this thread Selena Silver

Selena Silver wrote of scenes she shot in November for cable


THE FINANCIAL REALITY OF DECADES
As far as the market and the financial success of the project- I am sure they are going to be in the black. They were a top-notch group who SO obviously had so much experience at what they were doing and had such a large budget that someone gave it approval knowing the financials of it all. YES, there was absolutely a cable deal involved (which can be incredibly lucrative).

We did shoot both "soft-core" and "hardcore" (you only shoot soft-core if the movie is being sold to cable) AND we recorded little cable blurbs (posing and saying "You are watching Inpulse TV", etc.). They are obviously going to do very well financially there.

Just so you know (probably already do, but oh, well - for any newbies! LOL) the main difference with soft-core is that you can't show cocks, penetration, etc. Depending on the director you might shoot the entire soft-core scene first and then shoot the hardcore. Others shoot it together.

(Example: as we do the "BJ" the director will yell "soft!" and I will cover the cock with my hands and let my hair flow around blocking the view and go through the motions until he yells "hard!" and then, of course, I show the cock entirely. Same goes for all the sex.)

Many gonzo directors do NOT shoot any soft-core - their product is strictly for hardcore DVD sales.

In "Decades" , we shot the soft-core mixed in with the hardcore. So the director let us and the camera persons know if we were shooting hard or soft and then we would adjust our positions and they would change their angles.

Cable deal is a given. They will definitely make money; I guess I am more interested on will the cable deals keep coming because women are tuning to watch? Will the DVD sales go well? Who will buy it? Where will the buy it?


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croy
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Posted - Jun 24 2004 : 10:30PM


vodka tonic wrote:
Is that in the foursome w. Julia Ann in "Penthouse Forum Letters", because I have this clip.

Yes, it is.
Saki
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Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 12:54AM
From an old thread: The Answer

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bridgette
Bridgette Kerkove

251 Posts
7/03
Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 1:28AM
Every movie that Skeeter and I have ever directed, we have always shot softcore, we do have the people fucking for real! Always, every single time.
Every soft core feature I performed in, in the past, I was always getting fucked for real, hundreds of times, 75 percent of the time during softcore, I am really getting fucked in my ass!

love always, Bridgette Kerkove xoxo

bigbadwolf16669
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Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 10:39AM
Is Softcore Porn is Fake Of course it is i mean you dont even get to see the guys dicks lol and you dont see the dick goin in and out of the girls mouth,pussy and ass lol
its 100% fake except they touch each other for real lol
Zoid
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Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 1:21PM


bridgette wrote:
Every soft core feature I performed in, in the past, I was always getting fucked for real, hundreds of times, 75 percent of the time during softcore, I am really getting fucked in my ass!

Eeh.. did you perform in softcore softcore? I mean really softcore features which were meant to be only softcore (not porn stripped of hardcore)? If so, can you name the titles. I wouldn't mind checking those out.

bigbadwolf16669
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6/04
Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 3:32PM
escuse me but softcore is non explicit sex,they dont do it for real only in hardcore movies (porn) they fuck for real.nobody cant make me belive that they do real sex in softcore the only real thing they do is tuching each onther and you cant even see the guys dick lol.I got a question for womens do you like that softcore stuff where you dont even get to see the guys dick OR do you like hardcore porn.
DVDwishes
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7/04
Posted - Jul 20 2004 : 5:50PM
forget about softcore films. what about films like 'wild orchid' where it was actually rumored that carrie otis and mickey rourke were having sex. great film!
jacklynlick
Jacklyn Lick

Sherman Oaks, CA
3 Posts
7/04
Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 12:37AM
I do a ton of those softcore things, and I have never had real sex on those. Usually, you are working with 'mainstream' actors, that are very shy about that, or that don't really want to be doing softcore stuff.

Jackie

Zoid
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 12:54AM
Hi and welcome, Jackie

I first read your name as Jack Lynlick thinking who the hell is that.. LOL.. sorry.


I do a ton of those softcore things, and I have never had real sex on those.

A question..

Is real sex generally not allowed (by the producers/directors) or is it smth actors can decide themselves? Suppose.. for example.. a 'mainstream' guy says to you "Let's do it" are you allowed to go at it?

jacklynlick
Jacklyn Lick

Sherman Oaks, CA
3 Posts
7/04
Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 1:09AM
I guess it would depend on the director. I have a director I work closely with that probably wouldn't care. But, I have yet to encounter a guy that would do it.
Jackie ( Jacklyn Lick )
Zoid
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 1:17AM


jacklynlick wrote:
But, I have yet to encounter a guy that would do it.

Interesting paradox....

Well, thanks for the info.

vodka tonic
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who
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 4:33AM
I'd be interested to know if you've ever worked with Torchlight Entertainment, whose movies air on DirecTv with mostly silly titles like "Kristy Comes Home" or "Hot Wives Club 2", because their scenes last from 10 to 15 minutes and some of them look pretty real to me (and I'm a seasoned softcore lover so it takes something to off-balance me).
XXXXXXXX
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988 Posts
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 8:59AM


Saki wrote:
From an old thread: The Answer


that may be the case in a lot of american softcore features,
but in europe in most cases they shoot both a soft and
a hardcore version of the same feature at the same set,
in these cases there is definatley no sticky patch over
the privates.
so you may have a though time judging which seconds of
a scene, were shot for the softcore version only.
Zoid
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 11:51AM
Have any of you seen several TV movies called "The Diary". I think they are French.. and there are 4 of them. I don't know the actors/actresses (as most of them have only appeared in this very title) but the lead's name is Lisa Baumann..

Anyway, in the 3rd or 4th movie (I think) there was a scene where I was almost convinced that sex was real... although not throughout the entire scene. Then at some point the local Tv channel aired the movie again and I recorded it for investigation.. There is a very brief shot there where a girl rides a guy cowgirl style, and the camera shows it from behind/top. You can clearly see girl's ass and guy's balls..but I couldn't see his dick. And the thing is, I thought that judging by camera angle and laws of physics his dick should have been visible from there, unless it was erect.. and possibly inserted. Then again, they could have used some patch.. to fool the viewers.

In any case, it definitely looked very close to unsimulated sex although analisys was inconclusive.

But the scene was good anyway..

vodka tonic
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who
3569 Posts
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 12:00PM
"Carnets Intimes", from the same director as "Total Romance". Yes, it's an erotic mini-series produced by public network M6 for their Sunday night slot, back in the days when they were still investing big budget in erotica. I cant recall the scene you're talking about, production values were high but the sex was quite tame. Also, from memory, the director only employed softcore-only actresses, no XXX crossovers, so I'd be very surprised if something was not simulated.
DVDwishes
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 3:03PM
with all of the marilyn chambers softcore films that were done in the '90s it was hard for me to understand back then. at the time I had no idea that this woman was really the pioneer of the adult film industry. I did see Chloe in some softcore film on cinemax late one night when I was flipping channels. I only stopped because I saw her and wanted to know when cinemax started putting porn on. since she was moaning her head off like she usually does I'm not sure if it was stimulated or if she sounds like that when she's plain aroused.
Zoid
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 5:04PM
vodka, I am sure you know french production better than me but check out these snapshots I made.. I am still puzzled. What do you think?
vodka tonic
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who
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 5:16PM
Okay, I remember that scene. Never noticed the guy's sack be4, but his penis could be taped on his belly or something (yes, sometimes they tape it, but usually they tape it inwards not outwards). The pic is certainly confusing, but if I remember this scene, beyond this detail, they didn't really look like they were having sex, I mean in terms of rhythm, thrusts and depth of stroke. But I can be wrong. It's all about the fantasy, right ?
Zoid
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 5:39PM


vodka tonic wrote:
but his penis could be taped on his belly or something (yes, sometimes they tape it, but usually they tape it inwards not outwards).

Yes, exactly. This seems to be the only explanation.. but I mean just to think about it: why would anyone tape a dick to the belly? That's absurd IMO.

As for motion in that scene. Yes, it wasn't particularly realistic though there were some brief thrusts especially while in the spoon position. The scene was also very heavily edited, meaning there weren't any continuous shots from one position for more than a few seconds. Camera was always in some kind of motion.

vodka tonic
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who
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 6:39PM


Zoid wrote:
Yes, exactly. This seems to be the only explanation.. but I mean just to think about it: why would anyone tape a dick to the belly? That's absurd IMO.

It certainly looks better than a sock ! Thank God I haven't seen a sock in a loooooooong time in softcore. Also I remember in a scene from "Femalien 2" there was a very explicit shot of an actress' pubes while she was in doggy on a table, and it looked like her lips were stuck together by some sort of invisible patch. That must hurt.

verybadkitty
Pandora Dreams

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6/04
Posted - Jul 29 2004 : 12:09AM
I almost always really fuck on softcore. I just love to fuck, why not?
Caracalla
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Posted - Jul 29 2004 : 1:03AM
That's why we love you!!!!
vodka tonic
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who
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Posted - Jul 29 2004 : 3:54AM


verybadkitty wrote:
I almost always really fuck on softcore. I just love to fuck, why not?

What softcore movies have you appeared in ?

Zoid
Senior Member

Boobies and Anal
3659 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jul 29 2004 : 11:03AM
Apparently, kitty appeared in Coxx and Soxx 2. Cocks + socks..hmmm. I must say there is definitely a connection to softcore..

Other than that, I think lovely Ms. Dreams wants to impress us.

sire01a
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Posted - Apr 15 2011 : 5:34AM
I have been catching up with Torchlight. http://torchlightpictures.blogspot.com
"she likes my wife," and "Legal Seduction" both seem to have real b/js because they show you the shadows of them. Watch. Woman kneeling over guy standing and a shadow on the side, like on his leg.

Gary Orona
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 12:36AM
I've created/produced/directed 6 seasons of shows for HBO/Cinemax, more than 65 episodes and 14 movies for HBO/Cinemax; "Hotel Erotica" the series, "The Erotic Traveler" the series, "Thrills" the series as well as hundreds of PPV softcore titles. On only one (1) occasion (having shot over 1000 softcore scenes) did actual sex take place and it was between a guy and a girl who did hardcore films so it wasn't much of a stretch. So to answer the original question (at least in my case) sex isn't actually happening in most softcore-only movies. Now I'm talking about movies that were shot "only' in softcore form, NOT hardcore movies in which a softcore version was simultaneously produced.

I've now produced and directed many hardcore titles and it's much easier to shoot. One has to be very creative to shoot good softcore and since there isn't "actual sex happening" it's difficult to get realistic representations of... well, sex.

The challenge for me as a director is to get good performances from hardcore talent who for the most part tend to be extremely one-dimensional. Some softcore-only talent are fairly descent actors. It continues to be the running challenge to find talent, both male and female, who are excellent actors, great looking (not so "porn" looking) and will do hardcore. That's the Holy Grail of adult movies!

Good Thoughts - Gary Orona

junglew
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 1:20AM
Gary, thanks for that intelligent and very informative answer from someone who should know. I go back to the old days of skin flicks and notice very few crossovers from soft to hardcore. Hardcore is a whole different ballgame.
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saratoga120
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Posted - Apr 27 2011 : 1:27PM
I can add a bit of salacious light to the discussion, though on the subject of still shoots as opposed to filmed ones.

Kelly Nichols, who did numerous boy/girl layouts beginning in the late 70s, would frequently boff her partner after the silly simulated stuff was completed. Right there on the set.


shank
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Posted - May 20 2011 : 5:10AM
I hate it when pornstars like Heather Vandeven, Michelle Maylene etc are repeatedly used in Cinemax/HBO softcores, because you know they are pornstars which rather ruins the fantasy. I like it when lesser known mainstream models are used (eg. Jennifer Korbin). Perhaps the rates for pornstars are cheaper and they dont need any "training".
bakerboy
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BC
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Posted - May 26 2011 : 3:00PM
There is an old soft core and then there is new softcore and then politically correct ( US mostly) softcore and then there is something like this:

http://www.boundheat.com/videogal.php

This is what is stated:

Experience the twisted world of white slavery and young lesbian women in prison. Films absolutely raw and uncensored.

My view a lot better then the lame "Cinemax and the likes":)


Anyone wants to add their two cents??

bradin
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Posted - Jun 12 2011 : 11:43AM
bakerboy,interesting, not hard, not really soft either, definitely very edgy, I like the edge :-)
bukkake79
Member

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Posted - Jun 26 2011 : 7:37AM
About 10 years ago, maybe more, it was almost impossible to buy Hardcore movies in Britain, as the censors did not allow it. However, you did get some hardcore movies that were edited for the British market. There was alot of zooming into the background, a cut to some flowers, etc..

Private was a major studio that had the "British Cut". The British cut was sold to markets not only in Britain but the U.S. as well. And I do recall an interview with the director, and apparently they shot the scene with additional angles for British audiences. In these angles, penetration was not visible.

So, I guess in theory that some softcore movies may actually be hardcore. There was one American softcore film back in the 90s, not sure of the name, but I was absolutely sure it was hardcore. Of course, there's no real way of proving it...

bakerboy
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Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 6:53AM
UK always had censors, after all it is the oldest democracy :(
Cuddly Wombat
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Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 8:47AM
It was interesting to hear Kaylani Lei speak at AEE in January where she said that she had made as many soft core movies as she had hardcore and that the main difference was that soft core was "dry humping".
Cuddly Wombat
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Just another bare bum in the shiower
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Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 9:53PM
In next month's Playboy John Hamm says being a set dresser on a soft core set was for him one of the most depressing jobs in Hollywood. Well, at least he didn't have to wipe up cum or pick up condoms.

Edited by - cuddly wombat on 3/14/2012 9:54:18 PM

bakerboy
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BC
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Posted - Apr 11 2012 : 7:11AM
Depressed because he could not get laid :)
bakerboy
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BC
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Posted - Oct 16 2012 : 2:55PM
Just want to bump this thread with something "fake" but hot !!

Maid Spanked.jpg

http://www.boundheat.com/new/on_consignment/on_consignment.html

bakerboy
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BC
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Posted - Oct 28 2012 : 5:01AM
also have a look here

http://www.boundheat.com/new/on_consignment_3/on_consignment_3.html

Draxxx
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Posted - Oct 29 2012 : 9:26AM


Cuddly Wombat wrote:
It was interesting to hear Kaylani Lei speak at AEE in January where she said that she had made as many soft core movies as she had hardcore and that the main difference was that soft core was "dry humping".

I used to watch lots of softcore "Skinemax" movies a years ago when the "Scream Queens" like Shannon Tweed, Julie Strain, Juli K. Smith, Glori-Ann Gilbert, Monique Parent, etc. starred in them. The pornstars tend to do more realistic sex scenes because they aren't afraid of their body parts touching or rubbing against each other but the movies they star in aren't as good as the old softcore stuff. The older movies were better written. I'm also very tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 porngirls always cast in these movies. In the beginning they were using lots of different pornstars but now it's the same 5 or so girls cast in every movie.

As far as movies/girls having (almost)actual sex in a softcore movie....The three that come to mind that don't star pornstars all star softcore actress Maria Ford. In NIGHT CALLS: THE MOVIE 2, THE KEY TO SEX, I LIKE GAMES TOO, all have simulated sex scenes where Maria is agressively rubbing her bare muff against the mouth and face of her male co-stars. Also in THE KEY TO SEX Maria is very clearly licking the shaved muff of one of her female co-stars and in some shots it looks like she spread the girl's lips to put her tounge inside her. With all 3 of those movies the newer versions have those acts editing out.

santasingh
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Posted - Oct 30 2012 : 8:04PM
Few movies from director tinto brass , e.g. Caligula (directors cut version ) and all ladies do it ,I am not sure in which category you can put them in.blowjob scenes are just like hardcore movies and if you notice in group sex scenes you can find camera angles showing you some hardcore but the movie is softcore story based movie ,so entire movie is softcore but you can still find hardcore if you ar watching movie without using fast forward button. I have not seen any movies from other directors similar to tinto brass.
I believe it makes good business sense to shoot story based hardcore movie with two different camera angles.so with one shoot you have two versions of movie which can address different audience.two different places to sell,softcore can be released worldwide and hardcore into Internet.so with single movie ,studios can get more money as they are addressing two different audiences and covering wider range .studios can double the money with one movie release by making two versions of it.
Japanese wife next door was one of the best sellers on amazon ,it falls into a range somewhere in between softcore and hardcore as even with mosaic covering ,you can still see actually the penetrations and blowjob clearly.
Leyden
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Posted - Oct 30 2012 : 9:14PM
mikeflora.jpg

This was a recent Hegre Art photo set where they implied Mike and Flora were really having sex. Mike's schlong, though, was a little hard to keep hidden.

Draxxx
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Posted - Oct 30 2012 : 9:21PM
The Tinto Brass movies are interesting to me in that they come so close to hardcore without quite going there and then out of the blue there'll be a hardcore scene. I wonder if he'd like to show more than he does but the actresses he works with all draw the line at different things they'll do. I've seen some like Serena Grandi not really showing much while others Like Claudia Koll (ALL LADIES DO IT) having the camera spend a lot of time showcasing her anus. Others have tons of open legged muff shots. But actually think if Brass actualy did a full on hardcore movie it wouldn't be as interesting for me to watch. For me part of the appeal is watching his stuff wondering how far he'd go, how he got the women to do it, and how the male actors can stand being that close to actual sex without getting all worked up.
BlackSix
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Posted - Oct 31 2012 : 4:10AM
In Caligula all the hardcore scenes were shot under the orders of the producer Guccione and interested into the film without Brass' involvement.

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