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cantgetlaid
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 03:08:16 PM
Not that it's good for you and I hope you quit, like I hope one day I quit, but for some reason, and I hope you never get any health complications from it, but women that smoke turn me on for some reason.. Which of you smoke? I admit it's nasty, but so relaxing. Despite not ever having sex, I would prefer a cigarette if I were stressed.
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 10:33:12 AM
Beauty Dior smokes.
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markaudess
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 12:07:51 PM
Marie Madison smokes. Had a pretty successful fetish series in "Smoke Junkies", before World Wide smoking bans pretty much killed that market. Oddly, the show was about a future in which smoking is banned and the smokers are run underground.

"History does in fact repeat itself..."

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danl
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 04:58:59 AM
The question you should ask is which of the ladies of porn do NOT smoke cigarettes??

The fact that you NEVER see them smoking in their films (despite the fact that probably close to 85% of the women performing in adult films are smokers) is because 99% of the adult film directors out there are "clueless" when it "cums" to the sexuality of smoking and then too, the vast majority of them lack the camera expertise to accommodate for the burning down of the cigarette due to "botched" dialogue, having NEVER heard of voice overlays and other techniques which main stream directors have used for decades.

To illustrate, a few years ago I asked Pat Myne, or whatever he's calling himself these days,if he would incorporate sexy (are there any other kind) female cigarette smoking scenes in his future films, and he responded with "Hell, its hard enough to get these bitches to act, much less smoke."

Thus, despite seeing quite a few of Myne's films, (because he often uses some of my favorite sex performers) I have YET to see any of them smoking cigarettes in "tease" seduction set-up scenarios or even in bts interview segments, where it would be easy and "natural" for the women to be filmed "lighting up."--I rest my case!

And since you brought it up, "can't get it," perhaps you'll be good enough to give me the name of ONE female porn performer, past or present, who has contacted one of these :bad for yous: from smoking--a couple of men, YES, a lady, NADA!

If you REALLY want to know what's BAD for you, its breathing all the SHIT george w bush's (a little man in EVERY way)"payola pollution" policy allowed factories from the Atlantic, to the GREAT Lakes and the Pacific, to spew forth in our air for EIGHT miserable years!!! COUGH COUGH WHEEZE COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!==NOT exclamation points, WATERY eyes

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The Ghost of Cal Jammer
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 05:09:00 AM


danl wrote:
The question you should ask is which of the ladies of porn do NOT smoke cigarettes??

The fact that you NEVER see them smoking in their films (despite the fact that probably close to 85% of the women performing in adult films are smokers) is because 99% of the adult film directors out there are "clueless" when it "cums" to the sexuality of smoking and then too, the vast majority of them lack the camera expertise to accommodate for the burning down of the cigarette due to "botched" dialogue, having NEVER heard of voice overlays and other techniques which main stream directors have used for decades.

To illustrate, a few years ago I asked Pat Myne, or whatever he's calling himself these days,if he would incorporate sexy (are there any other kind) female cigarette smoking scenes in his future films, and he responded with "Hell, its hard enough to get these bitches to act, much less smoke."

Thus, despite seeing quite a few of Myne's films, (because he often uses some of my favorite sex performers) I have YET to see any of them smoking cigarettes in "tease" seduction set-up scenarios or even in bts interview segments, where it would be easy and "natural" for the women to be filmed "lighting up."--I rest my case!

And since you brought it up, "can't get it," perhaps you'll be good enough to give me the name of ONE female porn performer, past or present, who has contacted one of these :bad for yous: from smoking--a couple of men, YES, a lady, NADA!

If you REALLY want to know what's BAD for you, its breathing all the SHIT george w bush's (a little man in EVERY way)"payola pollution" policy allowed factories from the Atlantic, to the GREAT Lakes and the Pacific, to spew forth in our air for EIGHT miserable years!!! COUGH COUGH WHEEZE COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!==NOT exclamation points, WATERY eyes



Is Pat Myne your ex-husband? That's what it sounds like.

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danl
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 07:42:27 PM
Such an IDIOTIC question deserves another idiotic one back--As the "ghost" of Cal Jammer, do you still lust after Jill Kelly in the after-life??
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DK
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 11:55:03 PM
^^^^

As to the photograph above, how does that answer the original poster's question? It looks like some sort of prop used in one of those patronizing anti-smoking hysteria campaigns, virtiually all of which are funded, directly or indirectly, by politicians and their employees via tax dollars.

For those of you who enjoy watching professional football (a business in which the employees often incur serious injuries on the job) but are opposed to smoking in porn, do you even notice the hypocracy?

I really enjoy watching females smoke, and I wish that more porn would depict it.

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ninja1
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 12:55:07 AM
If amateur non-pornstar women are acceptable, you could try
clips4sale and Southern Charms for photosets and videos featuring smoking.
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The Ghost of Cal Jammer
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 06:26:58 AM


danl wrote:
Such an IDIOTIC question deserves another idiotic one back--As the "ghost" of Cal Jammer, do you still lust after Jill Kelly in the after-life??

The only thing that survives a fatal head wound is lust. The great thing about jacking off in heaven is that there is no refractory period.

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WardqueenJanine
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 05:23:55 PM
With respect to the distasteful posting and comments about the dangers of smoking; since this is a porn forum it would seem that we would be tolerant of each other, irrespective of whether those things are a turn off for us individually or not. As a smoker I'm painfully aware of the dangers of smoking, however as a non-drinker I don't choose to preach about the dangers of alcohol abuse, operating a car, or a host of other things that might be dangerous or unhealthy. Of course keep in mind also that unless we are all completely momogomous, there are very big health risks involved in having sex. Even if we are indeed momogomus, by virtue of the fact that we are reading or posing here, we are at least indicating a lurid interest in dangerous sexual activity. Let's just respect the fetishes and turn-ons of others without being so judgemental.

Now, as far as the original posting goes...I have no idea either why producers don't cater to this niche. As an escort, I can tell you that the smoking fetish is huge among guys, something that I learned to capitalize upon when I began escorting in my late teens. There are very successful pay sites like smokeymouths and colight if you doubt me. A large majority of my calls are for a girl who smokes, something that brings a premium rate. As in porn, even though a large number of sexual service providers smoke, few do can do smoking fetish calls well.

I would have to agree with the initial posters assessment that probably 90% of porn actresses smoke and why they don't take advantage of this to market films targeted to those interested in this fetish is beyond me.

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Bluto
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 05:49:21 PM
It's not beyond me - it wouldn't sell. I've never heard of a guy with a smoking fetish, and I've lived in 20 states, spent 4 years military, and I've sucked down beer in at least 5000 bars. Not once have I heard anybody remark about babes smoking, zero, nothing. I've heard guys babble about being hot for farts, shit, tampons, dead people, enemas, goats, mom, dad, sister, hamsters, puke, spit, snot, old women, etc., etc., etc., but not smoking.
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danl
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 04:38:22 AM
DUH! Bluto, How about googling "smoking fetish," and because a great number of men consider the sight of an attractive, well-built, stylishly dressed woman lighting up a cigarette and inhaling/exhaling with sexy finesse,a vision of pure beauty, "smoking glamour" and then post back here with your "I've never heards."

FYI, I thought I was WEIRD getting a "boner" everytime I saw some sexy Hollywood star light up a cigarette in a movie (and still do) until the advent of the internet and I discovered that there are LEGIONS out there just like me.

BECAUSE--DUH!--having a smoking fetish is NOT something someone brings up in a poker game or "out with the boys," and THAT is why you "never heard" of it.

On the other hand, because the "antis" are so adamant and outspoken in their efforts to stomp out with their "Jack Boots" every smouldering cigarette in America (and unfortunately a GREAT many are the "movers and shakers"--producers and directors of adult films--you will ALWAYS hear from them.

Truth be told, for every smoking "health/Nuisance" cryer out there, there is ONE of US, but sadly, the vast majority of we smoke fetishist (called collectively, the "smokerhood) gave up on adult film makers a looooong time ago, opting instead for the THOUSANDS of web sites specifically catering to the fetish--see paragraph #1

I, on the other hand, am one of the "hangers on" whose special niche of the smoking fetish is to see porn stars "light up" their cigarettes (and my loins) as sexy female characters in adult feature films and gonzo appearances, as well as during bts interview segments, where the "natural" aspect of an adult film star smoking her cigarette, enhances that "Bad Girl" imagery, which I THOUGHT all porn directors sought.

Unfortunately, with so many producers and directors in the "anti" faction (accounting for 97% of ALL adult films made today NOT incorporating sexy female smoking scenarios) I and so many other "hangers on" just keep HANGING ON and HOPING???

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 08:22:29 AM


danl wrote:
The question you should ask is which of the ladies of porn do NOT smoke cigarettes??

The fact that you NEVER see them smoking in their films (despite the fact that probably close to 85% of the women performing in adult films are smokers)


I am really not trying to be facetious here, but where in the Hell did you find statistics on the percentage of female porn stars who smoke? Are you extrapolating a general statistc on female smokers? In which case, that percentage seems VERY high. statistics I have found indicate that the general female percentage is around 20%. If there is atatistical data on porn stars, I'd really like to look at it.

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 08:44:54 AM
Women smoking cigars is a turn on that advertisers use all the time:

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Look on c4s. It seems to be a pretty common fetish, and there are even blogs on the subject.


Edited by - duefuss on 2/16/2010 8:52:54 AM

Edited by - duefuss on 2/16/2010 8:54:14 AM

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markaudess
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 10:20:12 AM
Smoking Fetish is a very real thing, and it has nothing to do with health. It's about the sexyness of smoke in general, along with finer points of hand and mouth fetish's.

It used to be very, very popular, but over the last couple of years sales of smoking
fetish videos, clips, and member sites have drastically dropped off. My guess is because many more men and women have quit smoking and now have an 'anti-smoking' stance.

The late Bill Hicks said it best: "I'd quit smoking if I didn't think I'd become one of you..."

It sucks (pardon the pun) for the Smoking Fetishists, because there's ALOT less good smoking fetish material being produced, but it's not the fault of the producers. We're business people, and the simple bottom line fact is Smoking Fetish just doesn't sell well enough to keep producing it.

- Mark

Maddy G Productions
The Producers of "Smoke Junkies"
and "Where There's Smoke".

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saratoga120
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 01:30:29 PM
Well, gee, can we get back to the original question?

Penny Flame

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Savoy
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 01:46:40 PM
Girls I have seen smoking in candid pics:

Tory Lane
Penny Flame
Eva Angelina
Tiffany Mynx
Candy Manson
Kaylani Lei
Brynn Tyler
Stoya

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DRACO
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 02:15:27 PM
Mya and Simony Diamond Both smoke in Organic Melons PoV 2 they are two extremely fine looking lady's dressed Extremely stylish for that Glamour look! Simony Diamond sucks your dick while she smokes. its kinda cool as the smoke drifts around your hard dick! A must buy for those that love fetish's as there are a few in the whole movie including foot play on Rod! As well as tons of Ass shots as well of course of the Organic Melons! And if your into Anal you get your fix here as well!
Pick yours up today and have fun!
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saratoga120
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 02:33:36 PM
Anita Blond
Brittany O'Connell
Crystal Breeze
Crystal Wilder
Kristara Barrington
Taylor St. Claire
Kelly Nichols
Tasha Voux
Colleen Brennan
Ginger Lynn
Lois Ayres
Krista Lane
Laurie Smith
Melissa Melendez
Merle Michaels
Samantha Strong
Tanner Mayes
Candy Samples
Rhonda Jo Petty
Taryn Thomas
Teri Starr
Katie Gold
Traci Lords
Samantha Fox
Debbie Northrup
Roxetta
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ninja1
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 05:26:24 PM

markaudess wrote:
It sucks (pardon the pun) for the Smoking Fetishists, because there's ALOT less good smoking fetish material being produced, but it's not the fault of the producers. We're business people, and the simple bottom line fact is Smoking Fetish just doesn't sell well enough to keep producing it.
That explains the decreased output of fetish material devoted to smoking. But it does not explain the decrease of incidental smoking content within "general" porn scenes; the scene isn't strictly about smoking, but the performers just happen to be smoking. This would be similar to how starlets might be wearing high heels or stockings, but the scene isn't a dedicated heels fetish or stockings fetish scene.
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Ramsey
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 05:34:02 PM
Bridgette Kerkove use to smoke.
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danl
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 05:35:42 AM
Duefuss: I stand behind my statement that 85% of porn's adult female performers are smokers, NOT on any statistical data, which can be totally off because it is based on surveys and questionaires.

MY figure is based on sight and personal contact with several hundred porn stars, appearing as feature dancers at various clubs across the country.

And I can count on ONE hand the number of ladies who were NOT smokers!!

Being enamored with seeing sexy, shapely women (especially porn stars) lighting up and inhaling/exhaling with stylish finesse on CIGARETTES (NOT cigars, or with those rediculous looking GD holders) I made it a practice to visit personally over drinks with as many of the "ladies of porn" as possible, and just about EVERYONE of them were more than happy to "light up" for me.

In fact, they constantly told me that men were always asking them to smoke as they posed for personal polaroids.

BUt don't take my word for it, HOPEFULLY a few directors who NEVER think to incorporate sexy cigarette smoking scenarios in their films, will come on board to verify that my figures are very close to being accurate.

Then too, perhaps the SOURCE of our fetish, those sexy, shapely BAD/good ladies of porn, who smoke in their personal life (but rarely, DAMNIT! in their films) will attest to what I am writing here re our "smokerhood" and its wide appeal.

As for the poster associated with Marie Madison, a line of films I have NEVER seen btw, the reason so-called smoke fetish films don't sell/rent well is three/fold--First, Kick Ass Pictures and Legend, which were among the "pioneers" in smoke fetish filming, quite often used obvious NON-SMOKERS as their model/performers, which dramatically illustrates how CLUELESS adult film makers are when it comes to our HUGE and EVER-GROWING smoke fetish community....Needless to say, THIS turned us OFF

The second reason smoke fetish material is a bit of a "hard sell," (and this, along with reason one comes from e-mail interaction on our many smoke fetish forums) is OVERKILL--by that, I mean being "bombarded" with scene after scene of women doing nothing more than smoking, can get a tad tedious, EVEN for the most avid smoke fetishist......As the Ancient Greeks taught, Everything in MODERATION!

Finally, and this is sadly the most important reason, imho, if someone can NOT identify with our fetish on a personal level, the chance of them creating a really good product dramatically decreases.

As a case in point, recently Chris Streams, one of porn's most imaginative directors, imho, released a film called "Pretty As They Cum 2," featuring Julia Ann, one of the most LUSCIOUS looking ladies to EVER set foot on a porn set, not imho this time, but just about EVERYONE"S.

Anyway, Chris has this fabulous vision of loveliness, "make physical" with a hard back chair, gyrating her gorgeous body over every inch of it, and THEN while resting and WAITING for "her man" she proceeds to light up a cigarette, USING A GD MOFUING rediculous looking long holder--again, not only MY opinion, but one CRIED in anquish across our smoke fetish forum boards.

For, you see, to the smoke fetish "purist," which makes up the vast majority, a woman's luscious BARE lips are the very essence of the sexual oral appeal of smoking, and we MUST see her moist, inviting mouth wrapped around her looong all-white cigarette, not some GD MOFUING holder.

Thus, and even though Julia Ann proceeded to perform fellatio on her man (with a weiner only slightly longer than that GD MOFUING holder, btw) what could have been for us one of the SEXIEST scenes EVER in the history of the "steam stream," genre, was NOT!

In conclusion, will adult film producers and directors ever "see the smoke?" Probably not.......Will we LEGIONS of "Brothers Of The Smoke" ever quit hoping--NEVER!!, especially since 85% (EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT) of the sexy sirens of porn continue to put those luscious lips of theirs around their cigarettes whenever they are NOT on camera---######## multiple, every curse word you can conjure!!!

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 07:33:46 AM


danl wrote:
Duefuss: I stand behind my statement that 85% of porn's adult female performers are smokers, NOT on any statistical data, which can be totally off because it is based on surveys and questionaires.

MY figure is based on sight and personal contact with several hundred porn stars, appearing as feature dancers at various clubs across the country.

And I can count on ONE hand the number of ladies who were NOT smokers!!


Let's see, maximum of five non-smokers equals 15%, then 85% would be 29 smokers, max. Total pornstars encountered, according to your own figures -- 34. Long way from several hundred! You still stand behind that 85%?

Now don't you wish you'd paid better attention in math class?

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the unknown pervert
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 10:02:04 AM
Just from memory from various BTS.

Briana Banks
Jenna Jameson
Sophia
Seemingly damn near any Eastern European (Stacy Silver, Nikki Sun, Claudia Ferrari, Liliane Tiger, Victoria Swinger, Melissa Black all off the top of my head)
Inari Vachs
Shyla Stylez
Katie Morgan
Ashlyn Gere
Julie Meadows
Mia Rose
Jeanna Fine


plus various others already mentioned

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danl
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 02:47:08 PM
Duefuss: Its math logic like THAT which would make even Sarah Palin "pale" in confusion.

Once again, I have SEEN with my OWN eyes several HUNDRED female porn stars smoking cigarettes as I visited personally with them at various clubs across the USA, over the years, and this was NOT some "margin of error" survey.

You want to know names?? The list is far TOO LONG for me to post here, but if anyone wants a "particular" shoot me an email and if she has been in my eyesight smoking, I'll let you know.

Same with any post question here at ADT, for if they've been "a smokin," I've more than likely " "a seen em," except, of course, in their films---##### multiple cursing and !!!!!! tears of frustration!!!!

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Captain Tight Pants
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 03:26:30 PM
I've seen quite a few stars smoke in the BTS segments. One that I don't think has been mentioned is Justine Joli.

There are lots of DVDs with girls smoking. There are even a few series that specialize in it. Try the "Smokin'" and "Smokin' POV" series.

I've never seen any of them cause for me smoking is a turn off. Although pot smoking is ok in my book. And i've seen and enjoyed
"Blazed and Confused"

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danl
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Posted - Feb 17 2010 : 10:33:03 PM
Captain: I've tried em ALL and as I stated previously, Kick Ass Pictures, which introduced the "Smokin" series, far too often used NON SMOKERS as model/performers, and any devoted smoke fetishist can immediately tell by the way a woman holds the cigarette and EPECIALLY by the lack of deep, strong cheek-hollowing inhales if she is a "real life" smoker, or just "trying" to smoke for a paycheck.

The "Smoking POV" series was just slightly better, but again far too many "non-smokers" were used.

There is ONE company, however, that presents a truly outstanding smoke fetish series, using sexy gorgeous REAL-LIFE smokers, who quite often are porn performers as well and that is Bob's Videos, but unfortunately this small independent film producer's prices are MUCH more than I am willing to pay, so I wait several months and TRY to pick them up in the "Used Video" section of my area's adult stores.

I realize that we've gone a bit afield from the original post to this thread, so I'll state once again, its a HELL of a lot HARDER (pun intended) to name a porn star who does NOT smoke than one who DOES, with the ratio somewhere around 85% who do and 15% who don't.

In fact, I have no doubt that females working in ANY sex-oriented field, be it strippers, adult films, escort services,prostitutes, etc., make up the HIGHEST percent of women who smoke, with Main Stream Actresses, Nurses (YES Nurses!) and Flight Attendants following, in that order, although "stressed out" School Teachers just might be
fourth on the list nowadays.

In conclusion, what the vast majority of we smoke fetishist REALLY want to see out of ANY porn film are frequent "tight" camera shots of good-looking, well-built WOMEN, with their luscious lips wrapped around loooong all-white cigarettes (NEVER cigars or with GD holders) as they smoke NATURALLY in bts interview segments, and within the context of feature films, to enhance sexy character roles.

As for gonzo, its pretty much the same as above, unless a director presents some "tease" dance/glamour scenario, where again smoking can be easily incorporated.

Of course, sexually, NOTHING can top our favorite form of foreplay in real life or within our fantasy world--and that is to have our "Mr Happys" bathed in warm, sensual cigarette smoke "oozing" slowly from a beautiful, full-breasted (NOT NBA sized) woman's lush lips.

This is something, btw, which 99.99% of today's "steam stream" directors NEVER try to implement in their films, and when they do, its with some #### holder or comical looking (to the vast majority of we smoke fetishist) seegar, NEVER designed to fit comfortably, or sexually, between a lady's smaller fingers and lips.

And don't ever think tobacco companies are not ACUTELY aware of the sexual dynamics of beautiful women smoking for Virginia Slims, Eve, Capri and other feminine cigarette brands are specifically designed (if you will) to enhance the beauty of a woman's hands and seductive appeal of her lips--making these brands the MUCH PRFERRED choice for our fetish, btw!

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DK
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Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 12:02:41 AM


duefuss wrote:


danl wrote:
The question you should ask is which of the ladies of porn do NOT smoke cigarettes??

The fact that you NEVER see them smoking in their films (despite the fact that probably close to 85% of the women performing in adult films are smokers)


I am really not trying to be facetious here, but where in the Hell did you find statistics on the percentage of female porn stars who smoke? Are you extrapolating a general statistc on female smokers? In which case, that percentage seems VERY high. statistics I have found indicate that the general female percentage is around 20%. If there is atatistical data on porn stars, I'd really like to look at it.


Duefuss demanding that other posters provide data to support assertions?? I can't believe it!!! Folks, if you are not on to this loony character duefuss, please get a load of his nonsensical statements in the thread "Max Hardcore (Again)". He repeatedly makes wild claims, and, when asked to support his absurd assertions, he just whines that he was quoted out of context. His contributions to several threads on this board are utterly nutty.

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 07:32:51 AM


DK wrote:


duefuss wrote:


danl wrote:
The question you should ask is which of the ladies of porn do NOT smoke cigarettes??

The fact that you NEVER see them smoking in their films (despite the fact that probably close to 85% of the women performing in adult films are smokers)


I am really not trying to be facetious here, but where in the Hell did you find statistics on the percentage of female porn stars who smoke? Are you extrapolating a general statistc on female smokers? In which case, that percentage seems VERY high. statistics I have found indicate that the general female percentage is around 20%. If there is atatistical data on porn stars, I'd really like to look at it.


Duefuss demanding that other posters provide data to support assertions?? I can't believe it!!! Folks, if you are not on to this loony character duefuss, please get a load of his nonsensical statements in the thread "Max Hardcore (Again)". He repeatedly makes wild claims, and, when asked to support his absurd assertions, he just whines that he was quoted out of context. His contributions to several threads on this board are utterly nutty.


Hey! How y' doin' there DK?

Now asking a question is a demand? Pretty soon you're going to have two versions of English to contend with -- the one we all use and 'Duefuss-ese' where questions are really demands and opinions are really factual assertions and explanations are whining. Just think! You'll be able to tell people you're bilingual!

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Dechevier
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Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 07:48:16 AM
Rebecca Lord

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 07:55:06 AM


danl wrote:
Duefuss: Its math logic like THAT which would make even Sarah Palin "pale" in confusion.

Once again, I have SEEN with my OWN eyes several HUNDRED female porn stars smoking cigarettes as I visited personally with them at various clubs across the USA, over the years, and this was NOT some "margin of error" survey.

You want to know names?? The list is far TOO LONG for me to post here, but if anyone wants a "particular" shoot me an email and if she has been in my eyesight smoking, I'll let you know.

Same with any post question here at ADT, for if they've been "a smokin," I've more than likely " "a seen em," except, of course, in their films---##### multiple cursing and !!!!!! tears of frustration!!!!


Wasn't really arguing with you -- just pulling your leg a bit is all.

My original question was put out there, because the porn industry is famous for being very private about what it does, and I was hopeful that someone had somehow collected some meaningful statistics about the business, and I was curious to see them. That's really all it was about.

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mharris127
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Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 03:40:48 PM
Calli Cox has a nice smoking scene in Return to the Edge. I believe she has said that she smokes in real life as well.

Now to the comment about paycheck smokers. For your information, the proper way to smoke a cigar is vastly different than the proper manner of smoking a cigarette. The comment made here may be about someone that regularly smokes cigars, the complaint made sounds like proper cigar smoking to me (yes, I smoke cigars)!

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markaudess
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 04:03:00 PM
There's a couple of interesting reviews of Marie's "Smoke Junkies" series here at ADT.

Smoke Junkies Reviews at ADT

She's talked about doing another one for years, but it never gets off the ground.

- Mark

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Ramsey
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 04:04:16 PM

Rebecca Lord

If I remember correctly she even smoked a cigar in her Smokin' episode.
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danl
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 06:32:48 PM
Re women smoking cigars, its not HOW they smoke them that is so comical to the VAST majority of smoke fetishist, but that they EVEN smoke them at all--Sure, there are men out there who get "turned on" seeing a woman wih a cigar, BUTTT they are in the MINORITY, when it comes to the fetish, I ASSURE you!

For to US, the "seegar," was NOT built to fit comfortably, and especially with much sex appeal, between the smaller fingers and lips of MOST women, and thus, to the vast majority of we smoke fetishist, seeing a lady (no matter how atractive) "wrestle," which is the only description I can conjure, with one looks somewhat silly.

Those GDMOFUING holders project a similar comical sight to we "purist" smoke fetishist (probably 80% of us) who MUST see the woman's luscious lips around an all-white cigarette, and believe it or not, even a cork tip detracts considerably from the oral sex appeal (visions of blow jobs dancing in our heads) for most of our "smokerhood,"--sorta like getting a "hummer," while wearing a rubber, the sensation just "ain't" there!

I might add that the comical image projection would be true for any man holding/smoking a Virginia Slim, Eve, Capri or any other feminine brand whose somwhat longer and slender shape was created for ONE purpose, to enhance the natural beauty of a woman's hands and lips.

And "duefuss," appreciate the explanation, for I am certainly glad, for "your" sake, such math logic and that "weird" syllogism wasn't on the level.

I STILL wish some directors and performers out there would come "on board" to this thread and offer some "proof" to the extremely high number (85%) of female porn stars, which I would "guesstimate" are smokers---that would CERTAINLY help!

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Ida Lupino
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 06:51:53 PM
Please, no smoking in porn.
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Mojo
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 07:07:20 PM
I remember seeing Daisy McClane smoking in a behind the scenes from one of her DVDs.
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danl
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 08:37:34 PM
"Ida Lupino" writes AGAIN, "please no smoking in porn," which is somewhat "weird" considering her namesake "monicker" was seen smoking in just about every film she made.

And it was largely as a result of so many extremely attractive "main-stream" Hollywood actresses smoking cigarettes in various sexy character roles, that the smoking fetish was "incubated," in the minds of so many men, who began to associate glamour and cigarette smoking together.

Naturally, when porn came into more of the "limelight," so to speak, we smoke fetishist everywhere expected that this true "rebel" film genre, which owes its entire existence to projecting and exploiting "bad girl imagery" in explicit sexual scenarios, would "cum" through with film after film featuring various "sirens of smoke" in both feature film and gonzo videos.

Such was NEVER the case, however, for about the same time adult films "came of age," the anti-smoking movement materialized and BOTH main stream and steam stream producers and directors began to "kow-tow" to the health/nuissance faction.

Strangely enough, main stream directors didn't "cave" near as much as the steam streamers, however and thus, while close to 20% of every Hollywood film made, continues to utilize the dangling, smouldering cigarette between the LUSCIOUS lips of ladies, as a most valuable screen prop to enhance sexy female characters (the way they have done for decades) in "The Valley,", both feature and gonzo, its less than 5%, and that EVEN includes BTS segments and interviews???

There is ONE "positive" out of the anti-smoking crusade, however, while it has had little impact on adults who smoke (largely because they realize its NOT smoking cigarettes as much as the CRUD we Americans breathed from george w LUSH'S eight years of "payola polluted" air which creates MOST respiratory illnesses) the "antis," like Ida, have helped to increase considerably the already HUGE number of we men enamored with seeing sexy CIGARETTE smoking women, both in real life and on film.......So, thanx Ida Lupino, et al

And ONE other thing, I'm still waiting for "names" of FEMALE porn stars, who were "done in" by smoking cigarettes??????

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Stalag
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 10:06:21 PM
The only important thing is to maintain the smoking ban.
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DK
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Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 01:48:50 AM
^^^^
What smoking ban?
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mharris127
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Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 02:00:08 AM


DK wrote:
^^^^
What smoking ban?

The one our government keeps pushing! I predict in five years tobacco will be highly illegal just like heroin is now and 25 million of us will en masse move to Canada.

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DK
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Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 02:04:05 AM
Goldstar Modeling's website includes a search function, and smoking is one of the possible queries. I checked it this evening, and 80 girls on the site are identified as smokers, including Sunny Leone, Monica Mayhem, Britney Stevens, Brooke Belle, Puma Swede, and Amber Rayne. World Modeling's website has a similar query function, and several dozen girls on that site are identified as smokers.

Obviously, the people who structured these talent agency websites contemplated the production by porn "studios" of smoking fetish porn. In this instance, the talent agencies are more attuned to the potentially robust smoking fetish niche market than are the porn "studios" who, in the main, continue to overlook that a segment of the porn audience wants to see the girls smoke.

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DK
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Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 02:19:04 AM
Mharris, I don't think of it as "our government". I think of it as the politicians' and their employees' government. The government is being used to conduct all sorts of paternalistic crusades these days, and I'm sick of it. Virtually all of the politicians are aligned with the anti-smoking nuts, but, if there is anything that warms a politician's heart, it is tax revenue. If smoking is criminalized, there wouldn't be any more tobacco taxes, and politicians would have less dough to lavish on the salaries and benefits of their beloved public employees. For that reason, I doubt that smoking will be banned. I think that it is more likely that tobacco taxes will be hiked again and again, that smoking will be permitted in fewer and fewer public spaces, and that images of smoking in the mass media will be prohibited.
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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 21 2010 : 03:10:24 PM


mharris127 wrote:


DK wrote:
^^^^
What smoking ban?

The one our government keeps pushing! I predict in five years tobacco will be highly illegal just like heroin is now and 25 million of us will en masse move to Canada.


In spite of still licking my wounds from a recent discussion of the smoking ban (don't let the thread title fool you) I really don't think tobacco will ever be illegal. Forgetting that it was the plant that literally MADE this country, and that it remains one of our most lucrative crops and exports, it remains FAR too popular here (don't discount the booming cigar market, etc.)to be even suggested for legal prohibition. The politician who did so would thereafter be a politician no longer and he knows it.

The Volstead Act taught that you can't successfully prohibit what a lot of people want. You can regulate it, legislate consequences for its irresponsible use, as smoking bans in public places do, but you can't prohibit it.

I doubt we will ever see the prohibiton of tobacco use, even though it's popularity will, at least for cigarettes, continue to decline.

On the contrary, I can't believe that criminalization of marijuana is very long for this world. Already many states, recently my own PA, have legalized it for 'medical' uses, which I think is a kind of 'back door' legalization that will make it easier for authorities to quietly ignore responsible recreational use of the stuff. From there it seems a small step to marijuana being as easily obtained at your local pharmacy as condoms.

We'll see.

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danl
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Posted - Feb 21 2010 : 08:46:43 PM
DK: Appreciate the "back-up," for it is clear from your posts that you, along with a
GREAT many men, want to see attractive, well-built porn stars smoking cigarettes in feature and gonzo screen appearances---TOO bad the producers and directors of porn REFUSE to see it that way!!

There was a time, for instance, when every Paul Thomas film incorporated sexy female cigarette smoking scenes, but THEN came a quick "NO! NO!" from Vivid Pictures Owner Steve Hersh (sp?), in "bed" with Paul Fishbein (the Pope Of Porn, at the time) who constantly used AVN magazine articles, editorials and film reviews to "pontificate" against cigarette smoking, and "bareback" (condomless) scenes in porn.

Thus, for the last decade, finding a woman smoking a cigarette in a Paul Thomas directed film would be akin to hearing george w LUSH make an intelligent comment---BOTH just ain't going to happen, although Paul's "Booze and Cigarettes," a perfect smoking vehicle, one would think, did have ONE brief smoking scene by Lanny Barby ---such is the "kow tow!"

And Duefuss, for a change I agree with you, the Volsted Act demonstrated how utterly rediculous it is for a government to attempt to legislate "free will" in a free society---although DUMBYA came close during his eight HORRIFIC years of corrupt BIG BROTHERISM in the FRIGHT House!!

Thus, tobacco taxes will continue to rise, which will eventually produce fewer and fewer smokers, NOT the scare tactics of the "anti health freaks" who have managed to link smoking with every human ailment from the "nose to the toes" over the past 25 or more years.

Of course, with each and every "smoking taboo" statement and tactic employed by the "antis" the numbers of our smoke fetish brotherhood (called collectively the "smokerhood') continues to rise, as seeing a beautiful woman "light up" in public and on film, becomes more and more rare.

And don't think for a minute that the "antis" don't hesitate to fire "shots across the bow" at sexy porn stars who "dare" to light up a cigarette during their bts interviews.

"Howdy Doody's" wife, for example, in various Exquisite Pictures film scenes, has admonished Demi Delia, Tory Lane and Lisa Ann with "don't you know smokings bad for you?,-- ESPECIALLY "weird" when, in my constant search for cigarette smoking women in porn, I've found no less than FOUR movies in which Franchesca Le (sp?) was filmed while smoking a cigarette--GO FIGURE!

Even "idiotic" statements on this forum, such as, "the important thing is to keep the smoking ban," which does NOT even exist, btw, "fuels the flame" (pun intended) for our fetish.

I have NEVER understood just what it is about seeing sexy women smoking cigarettes in a porn film that is so DAMN distasteful to the "antis???"--Does the smell of cigarette smoke somehow permeate from the TV set into their rooms?--Will seeing some gorgeous porn star smoking a cigarette, SUDDENLY cause the watcher to take up smoking?--Are all the "antis" fierce health addicts?---Just what in the HELL is it????

Perhaps the classic example of this "warped" thinking, to me, is the concentrated effort by various "do good" groups to put a stop to smoking in ALL Hollywood films.

Thus, a typical "R" rated Hollywood film today will include violence, obscenity, nudity, suggestive sexual situations, "disturbing" scenes, and alcohol use. but NO smoking--What a crock of hypocricy!!, and if these "do gooders" were really doing their job as parents, their "impressionable" kids wouldn't be seeing "R" rated films in the first place!!

So, let's carry that into porn, where the typical film will have nudity, explicit sex, obscenity, sexual situations, FEW"disturbing" scenes, almost NO violence, and NEVER EVER sexy cigarette smoking---which proves to me that when ALL is said and done, adult film producers and directors have CAVED and KOW TOWED to public pressure groups even MORE than their main stream counterparts-- what a HELL of an indictment against the genre, "ballyhooed" as the "REBEL" film element in America.

I stress America, here, because with the exception of Private, which is more American oriented, and thus, Paul Fishbein influenced, European film producers and directors at a much higher level (probably 25/30%) continue to utilize sexy cigarette smoking scenarios, and even though, the European porn product, imho, is somewhat below American made standards, such companies as Harmony Films and Marc Dorcel
are pushing closer and closer with each production.

So, now a final bit of math (and THIS is especially for you CLUELESS adult film producers and drectors out there reading this) at least 33% of all we porn patrons WANT to see sexy porn stars smoking cigarettes in their films, 33%, admittedly, do not and the remaining 34% could care less, either way.

At the same time, around 85% of ALL the female porn performers are cigarette smokers in their personal life style, and YET, less than 5% of EVERY United States made adult film production incorporates sexy cigarette smoking---there's something DESPERATELY wrong with this picture, and it AIN'T the math reckoning!!!


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Ida Lupino
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Posted - Feb 21 2010 : 09:23:13 PM


danl wrote:
"Ida Lupino" writes AGAIN, "please no smoking in porn," which is somewhat "weird" considering her namesake "monicker" was seen smoking in just about every film she made.

And it was largely as a result of so many extremely attractive "main-stream" Hollywood actresses smoking cigarettes in various sexy character roles, that the smoking fetish was "incubated," in the minds of so many men, who began to associate glamour and cigarette smoking together.

Naturally, when porn came into more of the "limelight," so to speak, we smoke fetishist everywhere expected that this true "rebel" film genre, which owes its entire existence to projecting and exploiting "bad girl imagery" in explicit sexual scenarios, would "cum" through with film after film featuring various "sirens of smoke" in both feature film and gonzo videos.

Such was NEVER the case, however, for about the same time adult films "came of age," the anti-smoking movement materialized and BOTH main stream and steam stream producers and directors began to "kow-tow" to the health/nuissance faction.

Strangely enough, main stream directors didn't "cave" near as much as the steam streamers, however and thus, while close to 20% of every Hollywood film made, continues to utilize the dangling, smouldering cigarette between the LUSCIOUS lips of ladies, as a most valuable screen prop to enhance sexy female characters (the way they have done for decades) in "The Valley,", both feature and gonzo, its less than 5%, and that EVEN includes BTS segments and interviews???

There is ONE "positive" out of the anti-smoking crusade, however, while it has had little impact on adults who smoke (largely because they realize its NOT smoking cigarettes as much as the CRUD we Americans breathed from george w LUSH'S eight years of "payola polluted" air which creates MOST respiratory illnesses) the "antis," like Ida, have helped to increase considerably the already HUGE number of we men enamored with seeing sexy CIGARETTE smoking women, both in real life and on film.......So, thanx Ida Lupino, et al

And ONE other thing, I'm still waiting for "names" of FEMALE porn stars, who were "done in" by smoking cigarettes??????



The problem with this argument is the usual ignorance of the facts. It's been well over 50 years since Hollywood made any effort to glamorize smoking, and the woman who did that, Arlene Dahl, suffered greatly with emphasema, and a hacking cough from tar build up which forced her into early retirement. She herself commented on the vile nature of smoking.
There never has been any "bad girl imagery" displayed by movie makers if you exclude

John Huston, who took pride in his hilarious satires of those shown smoking in his flicks.
Of course Maureen O'Hara wqs frequently depicted smoking on billboards, but as she recently admitted, she would never do again.
Same with Joan bennett, who was normally seen as a smoker on screen , was a vehement anti smoker all her life.
Same goes for Rita Hayworth, who blamed smoking for her mental collapse.
Names of porn stars is irrelevant, because they are not valid statistics.
Fortunately for all of us, smoking is dead.

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danl
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 05:46:16 AM
Ida, google "smoking fetish" and "smoking glamour," then come back here and say that "smoking is dead."

As for smoking NOT being associated with the image of the "Bad Girl," for DECADES and even in TODAY'S Hollywood films, smoking is often used to show the transformation from the "Good Girl" gone "BAD," and thus, Bad Girl imagery.

Then TOO, and to THIS VERY DAY, smoking is utilized to enhance any number of female character roles and create more REALISM in Hollywood (but NOT Valley) films.

You site very few examples in trying to dispute my claim that smoking has ALWAYS been associated with glamour and movie stars, and since I NEVER saw either Arlene Dahl or Maureen O'Hara smoke a cigarette in a movie NEITHER would be associated with the sexual appeal of glamorous Hollywood stars smoking, imho,.....as for Joan Bennett, a fine actress, YES!, a sexual beauty, NO!

Rita Hayworth, DEFINITELY, BUTTT to say that she said SOMEWHERE?? she blamed her mental illness on SMOKING---What in the HELL planet do you come from to expect us to believe such "clap trap?" and I would also be willing to bet "the farm," that YOU believed EVERY word and scene in "Reefer Madness," right?

GET REAL, Girl or Guy, and THINK a bit harder before you get on the pulpit next time, for to say that smoking is DEAD and that it has NEVER been associated with either "bad girl" imagery or an elegant, beautiful woman, is, to be kind, sheer LUNANCY!

As for the "crack" about my "living in the past" re the sexuality of smoking, tell it to a group of young girls I overheard at the mall last week (and NO, I wasn't stalking them) talking loudly and excitedly about the "sleep-over" they were planning, when one of the girls said "You know, we've got to learn to smoke.....all the boys think its sexy!"

Well, Ida, that STILL holds true for a LOT of we MEN who NEVER grew out of that thought--its just too bad NONE of them went into porn directing.

So, DREAM ON, Ida "Loopy," sexy cigarette smoking women and our fetish, AINT going NO-WHERE, and one more thing, just WHEN did the fact that you can't cite a SINGLE female porn star "done in" by smoking, NOT mean anything??

If you COULD, you couldn't WAIT to let us know, BUTTT since you CAN'T, you so conveniently
in typical Sarah PA(l)IN "in the ass" style (YOUR hero, I bet) "slough it off" as irrelevant to your arguement.

Finally, Get some REAL ammunition, the next time you SHOOT off your mouth!!

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Ida Lupino
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 06:52:42 AM


danl wrote:
DUH! Bluto, How about googling "smoking fetish," and because a great number of men consider the sight of an attractive, well-built, stylishly dressed woman lighting up a cigarette and inhaling/exhaling with sexy finesse,a vision of pure beauty, "smoking glamour" and then post back here with your "I've never heards."

FYI, I thought I was WEIRD getting a "boner" everytime I saw some sexy Hollywood star light up a cigarette in a movie (and still do) until the advent of the internet and I discovered that there are LEGIONS out there just like me.

BECAUSE--DUH!--having a smoking fetish is NOT something someone brings up in a poker game or "out with the boys," and THAT is why you "never heard" of it.

On the other hand, because the "antis" are so adamant and outspoken in their efforts to stomp out with their "Jack Boots" every smouldering cigarette in America (and unfortunately a GREAT many are the "movers and shakers"--producers and directors of adult films--you will ALWAYS hear from them.

Truth be told, for every smoking "health/Nuisance" cryer out there, there is ONE of US, but sadly, the vast majority of we smoke fetishist (called collectively, the "smokerhood) gave up on adult film makers a looooong time ago, opting instead for the THOUSANDS of web sites specifically catering to the fetish--see paragraph #1

I, on the other hand, am one of the "hangers on" whose special niche of the smoking fetish is to see porn stars "light up" their cigarettes (and my loins) as sexy female characters in adult feature films and gonzo appearances, as well as during bts interview segments, where the "natural" aspect of an adult film star smoking her cigarette, enhances that "Bad Girl" imagery, which I THOUGHT all porn directors sought.

Unfortunately, with so many producers and directors in the "anti" faction (accounting for 97% of ALL adult films made today NOT incorporating sexy female smoking scenarios) I and so many other "hangers on" just keep HANGING ON and HOPING???



"Googling" any term is an act of desperation that indicates a level of immaturity almost unknown to humankind less than 10 years ago.

Of course the results of said google can be used to explain your childish claims, but then where are you? What is left? On an island of stupidity that is breathtaking in it's misconceptions and weirdness.

Just having a fetish is no excuse to smoke. If that were the case , my good buddy Boris karloff would have never made it to a sound stage, would never have made a movie, because he would have been 6 feet under from cigarette fumes!

The "anti" faction is a heroic bunch of people to whom a great debt is owed. The health of the human race is much more important than the masturbatory fantasies of the infantile mind, and always should be.

"Light up ypur loins"? A loin of pork perhaps, but that term is very funny! More please! Encore maestro!

Maybe you could be a hanger on?

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 07:56:33 AM


Ida Lupino wrote:
"Googling" any term is an act of desperation that indicates a level of immaturity almost unknown to humankind less than 10 years ago.



Huh?

Googling a term is an act of informing oneself. If seeking knowledge has become to you an act of desperation and immaturity, then to say that your intellectual value system is fucked up is an understatement!

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 08:51:26 AM
The OP was interested in the smoking fetish, obviously a common one, since it's pretty easy to find material that focuses on it.

The whole business of whether CHRONIC smoking is harmful may still be debated by folks who don't want it to be harmful, but it is essentially no longer subject to rational argument.

Chronic smoking will shorten life. It aggravates a number of health problems that it may or may not actually cause, and demonstrably causes diseases like emphysema and other COPD's (Chronic Obbstructive, Pulmonary Diseases).

But smoking in the movies is not chronic. Whether it's porn or mainstream, most actors who smoke in a scene these days do so in a way that, to any real smoker or ex-smoker, is so obviously phony that I wonder why they bother. They look awkward, like little kids taking their first drag and are clearly not inhaling.

I've read that smoking is being glamorized more in the movies recently. Maybe; I don't know, but requiring an actor to puff a cigarette for a scene is hardly a long term health threat. The human physiology is sterner stuff than that. If any porn star or movie star or any person ever died from smoking, it wasn't because they smoked in the movies, it was because they smoked all the time.

When I started smoking in about 1955, most people belived that smoking wasn't a real health risk, and, believe me, EVERYBODY smoked. The non-smoker was equated with the oddball, the naive, even anti-social person. There were ads that touted certain brands as soothing and healthful("good for your 'T-zone'").
Cigarettes were dispensed from machines everywhere for a quarter and, inside the celophane were 2 pennies change. Virtually every big star, TV or movie, endorsed one brand or another. My Old Man handed out cartons of cigs as gifts to acquaintances and delivery people, and, at Christmas, If you walked into our house, no matter who you were, you walked out with either a carton of Luckies or a bottle of Dewars scotch, or both. All the brands came in 'festive' cartons.

The glamour of smoking still survives from the days of Humphrey Bogart, {whose smoking on screen still comes as close to sexual seduction as anything in mainstream movies), and the Paul Henried/Bette Davis cigarette lighting in "Now Voyager," in spite of the viewer's knowledge that he is watching them kill themselves.

It's no wonder that smoking is a powerful fetish for some. I think watching a beautiful woman smoke is very suggestive of lovemaking. Even for those who do not discern that it is a sexual fetish, I think it is, a little, and always has been.

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