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JadaBlaze01
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 06:10:40 PM
hey everyone I want to know why out of all the Black Female Porn Stars Marie Luv and Jada Fire crossed over so big, what is it about those 2 particular Black Females that got them over into so much feature Porn with big Companies like Digital Playground and Vivid? its like everytime people talk about Ebony chicks in Porn its those 2 names that pop up all the time, and also out of all the Black Women in Porn Marie Luv and Jada Fire werent restricted to Urban/hood like Big Booty Porn, they werent typecast into doing only films for Black Ice or WCP or Brian Pumper films, it seems like they crossed over more so than Heather Hunter and Chelsea Sinclair and those were 2 Contract Vivid Stars,to be honest thier are Black female Porn Stars that are more attractive than Marie Luv and Jada Fire like Megan Vaughn http://www.complex.com/girls/2011/07/the-top-100-hottest-porn-stars/megan-vaughn who comes in at #78 on the Top 100 Hottest Porn Stars list and Misty Stone is more attractive but is not as Popular as Marie Luv and Jada Fire are, so what is it about those Marie Luv/Jada Fire that made them the 2 biggest Black female Porn Stars
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 07:35:50 PM
just a guess, they were doing the type of stuff all the other girls were doing? i.e. no limits.
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 07:40:06 PM
I think it might be a combination of the following factors:

1) they got into porn during the golden days of anal and did lots of movies
2) they are hot and sultry in their own way and do everything that white girls do (there haven't been too many black girls in major studio's productions that do all the same variety of acts as other ethnicities)
3) they have a number of memorable scenes together which probably was of mutual benefit (like Bobbi Star and Dana Dearmond) to their popularity
4) power of marketing them instead of, or more than, other black girls

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Posted - May 18 2012 : 07:50:42 PM


2bollocks wrote:
just a guess, they were doing the type of stuff all the other girls were doing? i.e. no limits.

No Jada Fire and Marie Luv did have limits, specifically Marie Luv, from what I read from a article Marie Luv did not feel comfortable doing girl on girl scenes she eventually gave in and started doing girl on girl but at first Marie luv was conservative about that but yet she crossed over soo big??? Marie Luv and Jada Fire don't really stretch thier limits to the max, the only thing different is Jada Fire is one of the few Black female performers that squirts cause not to many Black females can Squirt.

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Posted - May 18 2012 : 07:56:12 PM


jrockmovie wrote:
I think it might be a combination of the following factors:

1) they got into porn during the golden days of anal and did lots of movies
2) they are hot and sultry in their own way and do everything that white girls do (there haven't been too many black girls in major studio's productions that do all the same variety of acts as other ethnicities)
3) they have a number of memorable scenes together which probably was of mutual benefit (like Bobbi Star and Dana Dearmond) to their popularity
4) power of marketing them instead of, or more than, other black girls


I dont see variety in the things they did except for the fact that Jada Fire squirted, Marie Luv and Jada Fire never did anal gaping, fisting or DPP and Jada Fire only did double Anal twice so they never really did all the bizzare acts like most of the White Female performers do which is why Iam curious about thier crossover success and what major Porn Studios saw in these 2 particular Black Female Performers that they didnt see in others, cause when it comes down to looks there are tons of Black Women in Porn that are much more attractive than they are.

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Posted - May 18 2012 : 07:59:04 PM
I also think that the fact they did alot of White guys onscreen helped to broaden their appeal, and the same applies to someone like Sierra,as well. Contrary to what some commentators here say, White guys will buy porn with with Black girls in it so long as they look good and perform with passion, like the aforementioned ladies.
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 08:32:32 PM
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Yes but some people feel that Jada Fire and Marie Luv are a little overrated and other Black female performers who are more attractive than they are dont crossover enough, Sydnee Capri, Meagan Vaughn,and Misty Stone are more attractive and glamorous but careers dont seem to get the push that Marie Luv and Jada Fire did.

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Posted - May 19 2012 : 12:31:05 AM


JadaBlaze01 wrote:
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Yes but some people feel that Jada Fire and Marie Luv are a little overrated and other Black female performers who are more attractive than they are dont crossover enough, Sydnee Capri, Meagan Vaughn,and Misty Stone are more attractive and glamorous but careers dont seem to get the push that Marie Luv and Jada Fire did.



Misty Stone don't do have the things Marie Luv and Jada Fire did.Misty Stone has her limits on what she will and will not do.Misty never appear on KinkCom while the other 2 did, I don't think Misty ever toss any salad with a white guy ass while the other 2 did.Misty don't do things she fells might be degading to her and more power to her for that.
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Posted - May 19 2012 : 01:41:03 AM
Because they are hot, dirty ass performers. I think Jada Fire's squirting helped her get even more famous. Jada never fails to turn me on and I never get sick of her.

Edited by - Portillo on 5/19/2012 1:42:34 AM

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Posted - May 19 2012 : 04:15:58 AM


JadaBlaze01 wrote:
hey everyone I want to know why out of all the Black Female Porn Stars Marie Luv and Jada Fire crossed over so big, what is it about those 2 particular Black Females that got them over into so much feature Porn with big Companies like Digital Playground and Vivid? its like everytime people talk about Ebony chicks in Porn its those 2 names that pop up all the time, and also out of all the Black Women in Porn Marie Luv and Jada Fire werent restricted to Urban/hood like Big Booty Porn, they werent typecast into doing only films for Black Ice or WCP or Brian Pumper films, it seems like they crossed over more so than Heather Hunter and Chelsea Sinclair and those were 2 Contract Vivid Stars,to be honest thier are Black female Porn Stars that are more attractive than Marie Luv and Jada Fire like Megan Vaughn http://www.complex.com/girls/2011/07/the-top-100-hottest-porn-stars/megan-vaughn who comes in at #78 on the Top 100 Hottest Porn Stars list and Misty Stone is more attractive but is not as Popular as Marie Luv and Jada Fire are, so what is it about those Marie Luv/Jada Fire that made them the 2 biggest Black female Porn Stars

It's a great question and I read closely all the responses in the thread so far and I was going to explain this in a very 1-2-3 / a-b-c logical fashion. And then it hit me. As far as Jada Fire (who I adore) goes...guys of every race can imagine themselves doing her - white guys, Asian guys, Latino guys, Middle Eastern guys, guys of the Indian sub-continent, etc, etc. Call it psychological. Once a guy can imagine himself wanting to do a girl just because she is hot (no Jungle Fever)...color dissolves and the star's marketability rises. I am a typical case. I am not Black, I am of one of the other races mentioned, and I don't even see Jada as a "Black" Pornstar anymore. I just see her as a super hot, dirty talking, great faced, apple-bottomed, killer rack, smokin' body, happens to do anal (big plus), happens to squirt (dreamy...has she done a scene with Sophie Dee?), happens to do mini gangbangs (very good), knows how to fuck and not just get fucked (i.e. Jada Fire is herself a fucking machine), Pornstar, that I want to fuck...and THAT is Crossover. Crossover only happens when those of other races can see beyond race. Obama got elected President. Jada became a huge Pornstar. You can attempt to explain this in a logical fashion, or others can attempt to, but what it comes down to is an "it" quality that transcends logic, lists, and rankings. And that "it" factor separated Obama from other Black politicians and that same "it" factor shot Jada to superstardom.

p.s. Your source “Complex Girls” or whatever did not put Stacy Valentine in the The 50 Prettiest Porn Stars of All Time so what do they know?


Edited by - Valentine on 5/19/2012 5:35:11 AM

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Posted - May 19 2012 : 04:26:36 AM
I've never really known why some crossover or get hired more often then others. To a certain extent I think it has to do with word-of-mouth from fans, and other performers and producers. I definitely think some agencies are better than others when it comes to getting continous work.
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Posted - May 19 2012 : 12:36:39 PM


JadaBlaze01 wrote:
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Yes but some people feel that Jada Fire and Marie Luv are a little overrated and other Black female performers who are more attractive than they are dont crossover enough, Sydnee Capri, Meagan Vaughn,and Misty Stone are more attractive and glamorous but careers dont seem to get the push that Marie Luv and Jada Fire did.


Well, in Megan Vaughn's case, she's only been around a relatively short while compared to the other ladies,so give her time. She's young,very pretty and a good performer so she may yet get as big (or bigger)as JF or ML so give it time. As to who is "more attractive" that's a fairly subjective judgement but there's no shortage of stunning Black ladies who could become big stars. Some other commentators here have alluded to the reasons why it doesn't always happen.

Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 5/19/2012 12:38:13 PM

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Posted - May 20 2012 : 11:00:34 AM
I think Jada Fire and Marie Luv were and still are the two freakiest black girls in the biz and that more than anything is what made them so big hence were able to got more work from major companies. You cant compare Megan Vaughn or Leilanni Leanne or even Skin Diamond to those two. For one thing those girls are still new and so far Skin Diamond has been the newest black girl that has been able to come close to Jada and Marie's intensity. And one more thing I still feel and always have felt that Jada and Marie are very attractive and will always be a favorite of mines, black or white.
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Posted - May 20 2012 : 11:52:42 AM
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Yes, the lady's bedside manner matters a lot too. It's not just her looks.

A good example is Monique. She is a black chick who has performed in over 300 porn films, most of them with white guys. When you look at her, then she is reasonably good-looking but not spectacularly so. Her main strength is her intense sexual behavior with the horny guys.

She is never shy about grabbing a guy by his cock, when he is within reach. Which is different from most other ladies, who passively wait for their guy to present his cock to them on a platter. And even in a room full of horny guys, Monique isn't shy about sexually attacking every guy.

Monique has sexual presence in the room like no other lady. With her in the room, your cock becomes hard as a rock in no time flat. And it's not because she shows you her nice ass or good-looking tits. It's because she doesn't wait to be asked for sexual favors. She is all over you sexually right away, as though you are her favorite rubber doll.

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Posted - May 20 2012 : 01:43:18 PM
^Yes,Monique was a tigress, never a dull scene with her and totally nasty,and I always thought she was very attractive with amazing eyes!
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Posted - May 20 2012 : 02:47:39 PM


el_porno wrote:
I think Jada Fire and Marie Luv were and still are the two freakiest black girls in the biz and that more than anything is what made them so big hence were able to got more work from major companies. You cant compare Megan Vaughn or Leilanni Leanne or even Skin Diamond to those two. For one thing those girls are still new and so far Skin Diamond has been the newest black girl that has been able to come close to Jada and Marie's intensity. And one more thing I still feel and always have felt that Jada and Marie are very attractive and will always be a favorite of mines, black or white.


Jada Fire was freaky but no soo much Marie Luv, Marie Luv was reserved when she first entered Porn, Marie Luv never did DAP

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Posted - May 20 2012 : 02:52:54 PM
one other thing I dont understand is if the industry thought Marie Luv and Jada Fire was soo beautiful how come Vivid/ Wicked or DP didnt offer them Contracts? cause Vivid offered Heather Hunter a Contract and also Chelsea Sinclair, Jada Fire is nice looking but she is very ethnic looking like her features are all Black which is no problem but I hear a lot of people say in the industry if a Black women wants to cross over big in Porn and possibly get a Major feature Studio Contract she has to be mixed looking like Aliana Love or Heathre Hunter was.

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 01:27:05 AM
I think a lot of it has to do with timing, being dependable, and working their butts off.

I think Jada made it big because she was willing to do IR, anal, DPs, had big breasts and was willing to be nasty as the director needed. The more a performer is willing to do the more jobs she can take on. Plus if the director knows they can always depend on a girl for a hot scene they'll get work. Shyla Styles is the same type of performer. With Shyla and Jada they can do a long list of genres. Big Breasts, big butt, anal, IR, DPs, nasty, not so nasty, girl/girl etc...So they could work a lot. Marie had good looks to fall back on and probably appealed more to white audiences than Jada but she still was a great performer but her looks got her into movies that Jada probably didn't quite fit so there wasn't a lot of overlap happening and they didn't cancel each other out.

Also Jada and Marie for a long while they were the go to black women. There were really any strong contenders for them for a long time. There would be some who looked as good or better but wasn't as strong a performer. There were strong performers who might not have been as goodlooking. After Marie Luv faded away Jada had the black girl of porn thing for a long time until Nyomi Banxx came along but Nyomi kinda stalled because she didn't do the wild stuff at the time that Jada did. Nyomi should've been a bigger star than she was just off her looks alone but for whatever reason didn't. Then Misti Stone hit it big but was knocked off by Skin Diamond who had both the looks and was willing to do harder stuff.

It seems like porn usually only has two crossover black performers that are big at any given time. If a third girl starts to get big she knocks one of the other girls off the chart. Jada was unique in that she didn't have the more caucasion features and beauty type that white people tend to like in black females (not all whites...I know) but she made up for it by being a great performer. I don't think we'll see another crossover black girl with such an ethnic look again soon.

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 01:41:05 AM


JadaBlaze01 wrote:
one other thing I dont understand is if the industry thought Marie Luv and Jada Fire was soo beautiful how come Vivid/ Wicked or DP didnt offer them Contracts? cause Vivid offered Heather Hunter a Contract and also Chelsea Sinclair, Jada Fire is nice looking but she is very ethnic looking like her features are all Black which is no problem but I hear a lot of people say in the industry if a Black women wants to cross over big in Porn and possibly get a Major feature Studio Contract she has to be mixed looking like Aliana Love or Heathre Hunter was.


VIVID would never give a contract to Jada because she looked too ethnic. It would've been a huge waste of talent to have Jada at VIVID anyway. Why have such a strong performer go there to do the type of sex VIVID does? Marie had a much better chance of being a VIVID contract girl but again it would be a huge waste of talent for Marie to go there. Marie probably would've liked to be a VIVID contract girl but for fans it was better she didn't. Marie had the looks to be a VIVID girl but I don't know if she would've been a good fit.

The reality of contract girls is most companies want a certain look and beauty type. Vanessa blue used to tell stories of how when she approached contract companies like VIVID and WICKED they would start telling her to lose weight, change this and that and maybe they'd consider it. The standards for a black woman to become a contract girl is much much higher than for white performers.

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 02:27:54 AM
I can understand why Marie Luv did because she's too skinny and fit instead of all chunkified to please 'the brothas'.

Jada I think just want to work a lot while many black girls seem to do short runs, and usually they start and end that run in black-on-black porn (I hate this whole ethnic bullcrap... why choose porn based on skin color? rediculous any way you put it).

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 06:07:03 AM
I don't generally get turned on by black girls. Nothing racist, they just don't tend to flick whatever switch inside me responds to these things. Jada Fire however, was a major exception to the rule - hot as fuck, nasty as fuck, and with massive tits to boot.

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 06:20:55 AM
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Perhaps there is still so much racial tension in USA that it's hard for most white guys and black ladies get any chemistry going with each other, even in porn films. Which is why such interracial sex often doesn't look so hot. There is no chemistry in most such films between the ladies and the guys.

But there are some exceptions. Perhaps Jada Fire, Marie Luv, and Monique did so well in interracial porn because they were good at creating chemistry between themselves and their white guys.

It's their behavior that made the difference and not so much their looks.

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 11:48:38 AM

VIVID would never give a contract to Jada because she looked too ethnic. It would've been a huge waste of talent to have Jada at VIVID anyway. Why have such a strong performer go there to do the type of sex VIVID does? Marie had a much better chance of being a VIVID contract girl but again it would be a huge waste of talent for Marie to go there. Marie probably would've liked to be a VIVID contract girl but for fans it was better she didn't. Marie had the looks to be a VIVID girl but I don't know if she would've been a good fit.

The reality of contract girls is most companies want a certain look and beauty type. Vanessa blue used to tell stories of how when she approached contract companies like VIVID and WICKED they would start telling her to lose weight, change this and that and maybe they'd consider it. The standards for a black woman to become a contract girl is much much higher than for white performers.


I think Skin Diamond or Misty Love would be perfect candidates for being Vivid Contract girls I dont know why they dont take advantage of that!

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Posted - May 21 2012 : 05:56:10 PM
"Perhaps there is still so much racial tension in USA that it's hard for most white guys and black ladies get any chemistry going with each other, even in porn films. Which is why such interracial sex often doesn't look so hot. There is no chemistry in most such films between the ladies and the guys."

I don't quite agree with that .Sure there may be cases of that but Mike Stefano, Brian Surewood and Manuel Ferrara, amongst others, had plenty of hot scenes with other black girls besides those mentioned. And Vanessa Blue never seems to have a problem generating heat with her White partners.

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Posted - May 22 2012 : 07:43:42 PM
Jada has a huge personality that got her noticed, and of course did the nasty just like the white girls. Marie was one of the most flat out beautiful women in porn, and when she discovered she liked ass sex, got hired by almost everyone. It also didn't hurt that they were consummate professionals on set, and that there were more videos being made with the "other interracial". They both still had to work twice as hard to get half as far as their caucasian counterparts. Marie's reticence about doing women may have cost her some work, but really didn't have too much bearing on her popularity.
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Posted - May 22 2012 : 09:35:20 PM
"Perhaps there is still so much racial tension in USA
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Exactly!That's why there's so many threads dedicated to race issues like this one on these boards.
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 08:53:03 PM


JadaBlaze01 wrote:


2bollocks wrote:
just a guess, they were doing the type of stuff all the other girls were doing? i.e. no limits.

No Jada Fire and Marie Luv did have limits, specifically Marie Luv, from what I read from a article Marie Luv did not feel comfortable doing girl on girl scenes she eventually gave in and started doing girl on girl but at first Marie luv was conservative about that but yet she crossed over soo big??? Marie Luv and Jada Fire don't really stretch thier limits to the max, the only thing different is Jada Fire is one of the few Black female performers that squirts cause not to many Black females can Squirt.


Nobody cares about girl/girl. They did DP, anal, swallowing and prolly gangbangs. That made them stand out. And that's the only reason I feel they went on to be "soo big." I'll pass on Marie Luv cuz her rack is to small for my liking but Jada fire I'll take any day.

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simpsona99999 wrote:
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Exactly!That's why there's so many threads dedicated to race issues like this one on these boards.

The fact that there's no easy way for the owners of the board to keep obsessive nutcases from opening account after account, and constantly starting and bumping threads that all say the same thing, has a lot more to do with that.

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Posted - May 24 2012 : 10:40:11 AM


Dan wrote:
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Yes, the lady's bedside manner matters a lot too. It's not just her looks.

A good example is Monique. She is a black chick who has performed in over 300 porn films, most of them with white guys. When you look at her, then she is reasonably good-looking but not spectacularly so. Her main strength is her intense sexual behavior with the horny guys.

She is never shy about grabbing a guy by his cock, when he is within reach. Which is different from most other ladies, who passively wait for their guy to present his cock to them on a platter. And even in a room full of horny guys, Monique isn't shy about sexually attacking every guy.

Monique has sexual presence in the room like no other lady. With her in the room, your cock becomes hard as a rock in no time flat. And it's not because she shows you her nice ass or good-looking tits. It's because she doesn't wait to be asked for sexual favors. She is all over you sexually right away, as though you are her favorite rubber doll.


i so agree, she was ferocious!! don't see her too much these days . . .

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Posted - May 24 2012 : 01:29:17 PM
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Maybe but there people post on here from all parts of the world but IR debates are mainly started by folks from the US or so it seems to me?Maybe i off with this?
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Posted - May 24 2012 : 06:35:56 PM
Gunzo said I can understand why Marie Luv did because she's too skinny and fit instead of all chunkified to please 'the brothas'I'm a brotha and I don't like watching chunkifies black chics shaking they're big assin videos.You should had said some brothas.The Dude 008 said
Nobody cares about girl/girl,again you're generalizing,some of us guys enjoy a good girl/girl scene.

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Posted - May 24 2012 : 06:48:15 PM
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Well Marie Luv isnt as skinny as Tyra Banxx, Tyra Banxx is soo skinny that a lot of men are turned off by it they even say how her Rib cage shows.

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Posted - Jun 7 2012 : 07:15:36 PM
first off misty stone does not look better than marie or jada! and the reason they crossed over so well,because they were the first black girls to really perform like there white counter parts. Jada fire was the first black girl i seen on film who just really stood out more in her sexual performance then most other black girls.
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Posted - Jun 8 2012 : 02:46:32 PM
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Will its all a matter of opinion yes Marie Luv and Jada Fire are good performers but there are tons of Black Female performers that blow them out of the box in the Looks department, Misty Stone does look more attractive than Jada Fire and Marie Luv and so does Megan Vaughn but those to performers dont have as much energy as Jada or Marie.

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Posted - Jun 8 2012 : 04:03:11 PM
Well i guess we different taste in women, but i agree with you about the energy and thats why marie and jada had no trouble crossing over!
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Posted - Jun 9 2012 : 04:33:03 AM
I keep seeing Misty Stone being mentioned. Unless I'm seeing something that isn't here, Misty appears to clearly have crossed-over. Pretty much getting work with any and every company out there.
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Posted - Jun 9 2012 : 09:17:23 AM
JadaBlaze01, you would be easier to understand if you stop some thoughts with periods and start new sentences.

Jada Fire has a great voice and a nice figure. I've read Marie Luv has some bj talent, but that may be wasted in porn, where half the scene is the guy fapping.

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They crossed-over because too many black girls are scared to take it in the butt and taste it with no hands. Their energy and eating ass played a part in it too.
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