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anti-pop
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12/04
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 3:45PM
10 things I'd like to see in gonzo for 2005

[Disclaimer: this list is 100% subjective and only reflects my taste, you are more than welcome to write your own]

1. Hot new girls
Whatever sex acts/fetish/theme a movie is about, the number 1 requirement is cute & fresh faces and tight new bodies.
RLD is very good at that, you can't deny that they have access to some of the best new girls around and imho this explains a good part of their success.


2. More behind the scenes
Performers arriving on the set, girls changing, jokes and socializing, shower after the scene is done, cell phone ringing, directors explaining what he wants... we want to see it all in the "behind the scenes" !
If someone is not into it or in a bad mood, it's also interesting to see it, it helps understanding what was going on during the scene.


3. Less guys per scene
Like most hetero porn watching men, I watch porn for the girls, not for the male performers (sorry folks ;). Lately the tendency in gonzo has been to add more and more guys per girl.
I really don't think that it's the right direction, I know people like DPs etc. (i have nothing against them myself) but when more than 80% of the frame is showing hairy man legs/asses something really wrong is going on !
If a director feel that the scene is not hot enough with the male talent they got, they need to find a BETTER talent, not just add 3 more guys to the scene to "make it hotter".

Porn is like cooking: you won't improve a recipe by adding more of the less-costly ingredients (ie. the male performers) because it's the only thing you can afford.
A meal needs to stay balanced to taste good.


4. Loose the fishnets
I know this is porn and not a fashion show or mtv, but I'm REALLY tired of seeing cute 18 year old or 20-something girls dressed like street walkers from 1989.
Most girls in porn dress better in the private life than what their sometimes not-so-inspired directors have them wearing !
Loose the fishnets and or other ridiculously unfashionable "made for porn" piece of clothes. Let the girls wear what they would normally wear when they're going out to a club, on a date or at the movies.

On of the best example of this trend right now is the way girls are dressed in Mayhem/Kerkove features. The clothes are not even classy kink/fetish (Andrew Blake/Dita von Teese style) but they just scream "cheap 1985 mail order lingerie catalog" (no offence meant, just voicing my opinion here... but it's a major turn off for me).

The bottom line is: in real life a girl is a hundred times more capable of choosing what to wear than a 40-something male porn director ;)


5. Longer interviews before the scene starts
For me this really adds a lot to the scene. It's nice to watch the girls have this little chat with the director, you sometimes find out they have a great sense of humor, or you get to have a sneak peek at their personalities before the scene stars... or at least you can watch the way the girl reacts.
Vince Vouyer does that really, really well. He jokes with girls, make them feel comfortable, it's a delight to watch.
When watching a dvd, I often find myself going back to these pre-scene segments, because it's where the girls look the best, and the teasing/joking that goes on is sometimes a much bigger turn on than most of the pounding going on during the actual scene.
Girls stripping/teasing with cheap background music is no way near enough to introduce a scene... directors have got to make the girls talk (and not the "i like it in the ass/i'm so horny/i want dick now" old song, an actual conversation would be appreciated).

It's all about interaction between the director and the performers.


6. Keep it intense
I know it's not everybody's taste but i like the so-called "rough sex" trend that has been going on in gonzo during the past 2-3 years.
Face slapping, control, choking, degradation, messy facials... it's all hot stuff as far as i'm concerned.


7. Less edits
If I remember correctly, Seymour Butts motto is something like "The less edits the better" and I think he's 100% right.

When a performer is doing something wrong, wants a break, is laughing because something funny is happening or doesn't feel comfortable... i want to see it. Don't edit that out ! It's a bigger turn on to be able to witness it than having just 2 more minutes of sex.
I'm frustrated with the way feature are edited now: you feel something is happening, you know the girl or the director is going to say something... and that part is always edited out !

Listening to the director giving instruction and the performer talking during the scene is definitely a turn on.


8. Less fake moaning
Girls are doing it to make the scene enjoyable to watch, and it's ok since porn is supposed to be about good sex. But girls turning into scream queens two seconds after anything remotely touched their pussy or ass is "a bit" too much.
Keep it believable girls. You're not Jamie Lee Curtis being chased by a serial killer, you're having sex.


9. Less tattoos & piercing
Personally i'd like to see tattoos & piercing being a niche thing in porn rather the norm.


10. Surprise me !
I hope directors will try out some new formulas, bring more diversity to the mix.

You never know what the next big thing may be....

Edited by - anti-pop on Dec 27 2004

croy
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Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 9:57PM
Interesting.
1.) New women are fine, but I have no problem with the same women being in many different movies. Basically if she is hot and I follow her, I like to see that particular porn star. No reason to phase out Jane Darling because she has been around more than a year.
5.) For me, this can be in the BTS.
anti-pop
Member

36 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 10:46PM
100% with you on this, we do want to keep Jane around

And it's very nice to get more material from girls you like.

It's just somehow of a disappointment for me when there are zero new girls in a video. If I see a new dvd and it only features the 6 same girls that have been shooting non-stop for everybody during last year... I'm passing.

licker
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8/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 10:59PM
+1 for less fake moaning. Sometimes this completely ruins the scene.
AlexPanzer
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1593 Posts
6/03
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 11:28PM
Wider gapes please, and more fashionable makeup.
 
DIAMOND DOG
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320 Posts
7/04
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 11:36PM
Agree 100%. This irks me more than just about anything. When I inadvertently tilt my head so I can try to see more of the girl, then there are too many dudes in the scene.
bandwagon
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58 Posts
4/03
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 1:13AM
Agree with you on the fishnet. Sometimes I will be looking at a dvd that has the babes I like, but will decide not to get it when I see them wearing fishnets on the screenshots. That just doesn't do it for me. Here's my list

1.) More of a setup. They are in cool European cities, show some street scenes, don't start off on a couch for five straight scenes. I don't care that the setup is fake. If its done well, it adds to the buildup. I just watched a PXP flick, Supersluts, I dug how the girls flashed on the streets of Budapest and even did a BJ in a park with people walking by.

2.) Dress the girls more classy and show the clothes coming off slowly (a la buttman's videos). I love the buildup, it doesn't work as well for me when the girl is fully clothed then they cut to her being naked withoug seeing the clothes come off (one of my beefs with Private and Woodman videos).

3.) More variety of settings, offices, locker rooms. Private does this well. Put some effort in it, don't use the couch in the house for every scene.

4.) Agree about finding more out about the girl. But would prefer some more intelligent questions than the standard ones (how old are you, when did you first have sex). Those little interviews really show you who has some brains (Stagliano) and who doesn't.

5.) Make sure the girl gets totally nude. I don't enjoy as much when the panties are pulled to the side but still on.

6.) Less violence, I don't enjoy the spitting and choking. I like it hard but without any violent overtones.

7.) Show more of the girl after the climax. I like seeing her licking everything up and watching it on all parts of her body. Don't cut away so quickly.

8.) In the behind the scenes, focus almost entirely on the females. I don't have any interest in listening to the guys sit around and talk. I want to see the babes trying on the clothes, taking showers, or just talking. One of the most erotic things is when the girls start having sex BTS (I saw Vivienne Laroche talking on a cell phone to her sister while a guy walks up and starts doing her. And Steve Holmes walk up to Taylor Rain and start giving it to her while she was futzing around the kitchen. I find that a real turn on)

9.) Definately prefer more girls than guys in a scene. As anti-pop said, I don't want to look at a bunch of hairy asses with a girl hidden somewhere below.

10.) No pony tails or white panties. I don't want to fantasize that the girl is 12. 18 is young enough for me.

11.) More sexy lingerie. Private and Marc Dorcel and Hustler's High Octane all do an excellent job with that. Classy lingerie beats the hell out of cheap fisnet stockings.

12.) No weird stuff, masks and things. Just make the girl look beautiful.

13.) Make the girl the focus of the scene. Some guys (ie Ed Powers) think the viewer bought the dvd to listen to them. We bought it for the girls, you guys have a great job, just shut up and enjoy it.

14.) More outdoor scenes. I love watching scenes on the beach or anywhere that's close to public.

soljARis
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176 Posts
10/03
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 8:40AM
NO. NO. NO.
IMHO that's exactly the weakest point of their proposal.
Comebacks from veterans that didn't do any shoot in years are much much more interesting. I just can't believe that many of those gonzo directors aren't lining up to shoot again Careena Collins, Kylie Ireland or Roxanne Hall. I have seen almost all of their recent comebacks' scenes and it's great to see they are still that hot after those many years.
OTOH most of those new girls in David Luger and Vince Vouyer flicks are just one day wonders that I can't tell one from the other just one week after I have seen their scenes.
Obviously you don't know much about the industry. Really top-performing males are as costly to hire as the top girls.
The cheap guys are the almost always limp ones.
Once again I can't agree with this recommandation of yours. I think there are still too many one-on-ones in nowadays gonzo porn. One-on-one sex is something that almost everyone can have in their everyday lives (at least with an hooker). Porn to me is about watching sex acts that are difficult to get in normal everyday life and that is mainly group sex. I think there should be at least 2 guys in every scene. To be a real porn slut a girl has to do it with at least 2 guys at a time. Double everything should be mandatory to achieve "performer of the year" status and other similar titles.
I can agree with you only if you mean that there should be more balance between the number of girls and the number of boys. A 12 boys 4 girls scene is better than a 12 boys 1 girl scene, because in the first case all the people can be continously involved in some sort of sex activity. But we all know that really big orgies are very expensive for the producers and so we seldom see them on DVD.
Once again I absolutely don't agree.
I think that the directors had been catering the American public tastes for too long. For years and years I had to watch stuff like "high school uniforms" or "college uniforms" that to me, as a Continental European, are absolutely meaningless since here no sort of uniform is required at any school level. In the last couple of years Gonzo directors realized that Europe as important as America for them and European people had always prefered lingerie of any kind - from the slutty fishnet one to the high class "Dolce & Gabbana" like - to the so called "next door girl" look.
No thanks.
Too much teasing and not enough pleasing always leaves me angry.
The interviews stuff is nice but it should be confined to the "Extras" part of the DVDs, like it happens in Mayhem titles.
Tattoos and piercings are a sign of a girl's modernity.
It's the stupid "all natural" look that should be confined in a niche for geriatric nostalgic of the "good old times".
Porn has to follow the trends of everyday life. Nowadays only mormon girls have no tattoos and piercings. Would you really like to screw someone who worshpis Brigham Young?

All in all, I must admit that your preferences correspond mainly to what I don't want to see in gonzo porn.
Not surprisingly, your favourite director is Vince Vouyer, who disappointed me like no one else with all his 2004 releases.
You can keep watching his stuff, just please don't pretend that really exciting moviemakers like Skeeter, Everhard or Mason conform to those boring standards.

John Knowles
NJ Films

178 Posts
9/04
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 11:04AM
I fully agree - too much "man ass" can get old real fast! For this new year we are replacing one of the b/g scenes with an all girl scene and as I read through all the posts, we try to add in as many things as we can. For our interracial Addiction 5 due out in February, we have a scene with Avy Lee Roth and Annie Cruz - its a great scene. We have a 3 way by adding Jack Lawrence but that is a bonus scene and not part of the regular movie. We will also have a bonus blowjob scene in Anal Teens n Toys due out in late February also!! Please keep all the great suggestions coming!

john

NJ Films Inc

Bandit One
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No Place That Far
612 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 11:29AM
anti-pop, I'm 100% with you. Bandwagon, the only thing I'll disagree with you on is your #10. I find pony-tails (on a woman, not a horse) very sexy, and I don't see it as a child's "look/style." Otherwise, for what it's worth, I think you're dead-on.
I too am getting weary of the fishnets and leather look on some of these gorgeous young newbies- Let some of these college-aged girls dress like they're on campus for a change.
sobegirl
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Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 11:40AM
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Edited by - Drew Black on 12/27/2004 12:16:19 PM

respect
Member

200 Posts
11/04
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 5:10PM
I couldn't agree more with you.
flow
Member

31 Posts
7/04
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 6:16PM
Hi anti-pop,

100 % my point of view. let me add 2 more amendments:

11. The actresses have to be naked

12. Show more the entire girl and not so much close-ups.

I hope you agree

anti-pop
Member

36 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 8:29AM
I do agree flow


soljARis, we definitely have a different ideas about porn, to me porn is not about what i can or can't do in real life but it's about what turn me on (or not).

I'm certainly not likely to get involved in a midget gang-bang in real life anytime soon, but it doesn't mean i want to see it in my porn.

As you said, you need more than one guy per scene to feel like the girl is a "true porn slut" and it increases your attraction for her. For me it's the opposite, more male performers means less focus on the girl(s). More guys per scene means more dicks and more hairy asses, which I'm not into.

I also don't believe that being either from europe or america has a major influence on one's porn tastes.

For example, I'm from europe and lingerie is a big turn off for me.
Lingerie reminds me of the way girls are dressed in playboy's pictorials or of oldish vivid flicks (and I don't mean that in a good way). To me lingerie porn is something a grandfather would watch.

That we agree on.
I never said that he was, but i think there are certain things he does very well (interviews, BTS), and i like the female talent he uses.

Edited by - anti-pop on 12/28/2004 8:32:34 AM

Matt47
Member

417 Posts
1/04
Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 11:10AM
I agree on the less violence, spitting theme, and I am also not a fan of choking or gagging, so that can be decreased as well.

Plus, I want to see more full-figured girls featured, or more mature ladies titles...

 
Mienhagen
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6/04
Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 12:06PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Definitely!!!!!!!!!
Flinty
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uk
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5/00
Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 12:58PM
Can I add a few?...

1) More reality type of porn with 'real life' young attractive couples having sex on film (maybe with female and male porn actors/actresses thrown in to spice things up!)

2) Definitely less fake moaning...this annoys everyone!

3) Less coming on the girls face and more coming in the girls mouth at completion of oral or sex. Im getting bored of the splashing onto the face and chest. Even coming with the girls mouth closed can be erotic if done properly....I dont need to see cum everywhere to get my rocks off.

Edited by - flinty on 12/28/2004 1:00:09 PM

sh_rock
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we the people in order to form a more perfect union...
518 Posts
12/03
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 12:14AM
i agree about the fake moaning, variety on the settings (the couch is getting old).

we the people, in order to form a more perfect union...

davecummings
Member

368 Posts
12/02
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 12:41AM
In the classes I teach in LA and San Diego on "Porn-making", I recommend to wannabe "Producers" (many of whom shoot porn as a means to get laid---candidly, not unlike ME:-)), that just because they personally like this or that specific thing/aspect/angle/set-ups/niche/etc/etc, it doesn't mean that everyone else agrees totally with them. On the contrary, different folks like emphasis upon different aspects of porn---and, some might like something a certain way one day and prefer something different the next day or under different circumstances! There's lots of porn preferences/opinions, and porn need not be a set scheme of sequences/rules/cookie-cutters or any of the things mentioned in this thread; it's OK to not conform to everyone who sends you their specific likes and dislikes---I say this because, just like their are different likes/dislikes/emphasis/preferences/etc expressed in THIS thread, there are also different viewers who have different likes/dislikes/emphasis/preferences/etc. Bottom line, IMHO, is that there's a market for lots and lots of different things, NOT just what I like.

Having said the above, my personal preferences are for NO fake sounds or cheesy music, but rather let the audio pick up the REAL whimpers of the girl, her breathing/sighing/facial "noises" and other natural and realistic sounds (e.g., the "squishing" of a wet pussy and slapping sounds as a turned-on girl rides a guy's cock). Having said the aforementioned, I need to understand that NOT everyone (or even perhaps far less than 51%?)agrees with my PERSONAL likes!

UnimatrixZero
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Germany
4 Posts
10/04
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 8:53AM
My personal Top10 I'd like to see in gonzo for 2005:

1. More dominant girls who degrade guys (verbally and physically) as shown in Pussy Whipped #2 as a contrast to all the "standard" rough sex movies (which I also like).

2. More movies with my favorite actresses (e.g. Kami Andrews, Selena Silver, Mandy Bright, Renee Pornero, Vicki Vette, Layla Jade, Jessica Darlin, Tiffany Mynx and some others). I'm waiting to see a movie with Kami and Selena working on a guy.

3. More fetish/gothic clothing and more tattoos/piercings in movies.

4. Less silicone (I like to see natural breasts instead of the common supersized boobs).

5. More BTS/"Making of ..." stuff including longer interviews of the actresses.

6. Less choking in the rough sex movies (I never get what's the turn-on of choking a girl).

7. More outdoor and high class indoor locations. (I'm tired of always seeing the same cheap warehouse locations)

8. Less guys per scene (usually I did not like scenes with more than 3 guys on a girl).

9. More girl-girl action (especially pussy and ass licking as well as some dildo playing).

10. More footjobs (primarily in conjunction with blowjobs).

UnimatrixZero


Edited by - UnimatrixZero on 12/29/2004 12:52:59 PM

Edited by - UnimatrixZero on 12/29/2004 12:59:01 PM

Steve Holmes
Senior Member

1235 Posts
12/02
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 8:59AM
To Dave Cummings comment:

I think you can only be good in what you're doing when you do it from the heart. At PXP I have the total freedom to shoot how I want. Of course I hope that people like and buy my movies, so I can make my money back.

I would never shoot a girl-girl scene or a BJ movie. Although I know you can make good money with it because the cost of production is much less than what I usually spent. Let people do it who are into that. They will do a better job than me. I prefer less money and more fun.

I'm happy you liked Super Sluts. I like to shoot nice intros whenever I can. This movie was shot in Budapest in summer where it is easy to do so. When I shoot in L.A. or in Europe in Winter I'm much more restricted.

Steve Holmes

anti-pop
Member

36 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 11:48AM
Point taken dave.

The objective of this topic was to be vocal about what i like, and to exchange opinions. I'm fully aware that what works for me may not work for other people. As you said there a market for everything

The other goal for me would also be to bring the message to performers and directors that *every* detail counts.

Of course, directors may not have the time/money/interest to care about everything (porn should be about delivering the best product you can with whatever limited resources you have right ?), but i think better results are achieved when directors are fully aware of the choices they make.

"Porn watcher A" will not care about every specific elements of a film, but "porn watcher B" will care about other things than "porn watcher A" and in the end everything that is in the product makes a difference.

For example it really annoys me when a girl is still wearing a top in the middle of a scene, others will not care as long as the action is hot and yet another group of people won't enjoy a scene unless the girl is completely naked.

So whatever choices a director makes, he has to be aware of the fact that it will please "consumer A" but also turn off "consumer B".

Yes, we *do* care


About audio: I won't watch a film which does not feature "on set audio"/original audio. But then again, I also do all I can to watch mainstream movies in the language they were shot (with subtitles if needed).

spitty
Member

730 Posts
12/04
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 6:31PM
The number one thing for me would be more girls , less men.It's definately more interesting to see 2 girls in threesome scenes , with the girls interacting often with each other.
2. less quick style editing and less camera movement.
3. alot more kissing and mouth to mouth spitting between women.
4. less special effects within the filming ex. grainy look
5. less toys , more tongues into pussies and asses in girl/girl scenes.more girl/girl scenes.

There are lots more but , like a few have said , everyone has his/her particular taste. ex. clothing

Renton405
Member

114 Posts
9/04
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 10:01PM
Girl even hotter than the girls now doing more anal, creampies, atm, gapes and other assorted goodies..

I like sets with more modern furniture and nice houses, leather couches and chairs..

I agree with more outside anal scenes, in the grass and trees, backyard, etc..You get a better view than most of the best lighting can give inside

More behind the scenes stuff, waching the girls prep themselves, interviews, the girls who didnt make it

No costumes, makes, paint, blue lighting, or empty white boring photo sets.

Reverted/Refracted Lens on the camera...brings out the curves more and makes u feel as if their viewer is actually there...this is very important

Girls rimming the guys just before he's about to cum, or prostate massage while he orgasms...

Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 5:34AM
As do I! Hey, any chance you can recall the films which feature the two sequences you've mentioned?

I'm 100% with you on this. I mean, how I wish Michael Stefano had nailed the make-up girl in the BTS for No Cum Dodging Allowed 2 - that girl needs to get into porn if she's not already in! And how sexy was the make-up girl blowing Franco Roccaforte in the I'm Your Slut (1) BTS from PXP. I bet if Guy Capo got his hands on this notion, he'd have a flick out called BEHIND THE OBSCENES which runs for two hours as a fuck-filled behind the scenes featurette - and then the special features disc could be the 'official sex' for the film that they were preparing for.

 
Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 5:47AM
Steve, you are a director with a great porn sensibility. I've always liked the way you infuse a shy chivalry with your own brand of Euro-sleaze.

I must ask the question though - gonzo directors will put together a film with what they think is the best cast available, and release that film. People like yourself listen to what the fans want, and use your judgment for the rest. However, what surprises me is that a porn director hasn't tried to put together some sort of super-gonzo flick - basically an attempt to poll fans for the male-female line-ups they most want for each scene for a five or six-scene film, and then doing everything in their power to make sure that that film gets made, and that if any sex scene that gets shot doesn't quite work out, that they do what all good directors do, and re-shoot it. I realise that there are monetary constraints to consider, and what I'm saying may just be so much idealism, but what I hate seeing is what occurred in your film THE PUSSY IS NOT ENOUGH 2, where apparently, according to an email group discussion I had with Ms Silver, Selena Silver and Manuel Ferrara both had a cold when it came to shoot the scene, so neither were at their best to produce the sort of scene that was envisaged. What resulted was a scene which only really half-worked, but clearly wasn't quite there, but you released it on the disc anyway. Life isn't perfect, this I realise, and ultimately you need return on your investment with these films, but I'd like to think that for every director, there can be one film a year they make that they consciously try and make their magnum opus, and that whatever happens, they continually rework the scenes and film, as all good artists do, even if it means greater cost, to produce one absolutely superb movie. (And if you get it right the first time anyway, more power to you.)

Getting scenes and films shot to perfection - that's the one thing I most want to see in gonzo in 2005.

respect
Member

200 Posts
11/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 8:46AM
Yes.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 8:59AM
Film. I want to see hardcore gonzo sex shot on film. (But make sure you keep the lightstand legs, etc. out of the frame.)

-T.C.

MASAMUNE
Senior Member

1452 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 9:53AM
1) the number 1 thing id like to see in 2005 IS MORE CREATIVITY. most every one uses the same cookie cutter formula it really annoys me. TAKE SOME RISKS, BREAK THE FORMULAS AND MAKE YOUR OWN. for example, a popshot doesnt always have to be at the end of the scene does it? (BLASPEMY? NO!) how about this: midway through the scene, the cameraman whips out his dick and we get a POV popshot on one of the girls, then this girl does some really deep french kissing with the other girl, swapping the cum back and forth as she gets fucked up the butt by the male talent....leave the cum on her face for the other half of the scene, this'll make her look hotter and dirtier.

2) seeing the girls be the dominant ones. no, i'm not talking about male bondage, i'm talking about the girls being the sexuallt agressive ones. reverse cowgirl and other girl-on-top positions are the sexiest position, no? thats because you get to see the girl fucking the man, not the man fucking the girl. even in doggie style, u can still have the girl being the agressor....she could be moving her hips furiuosly back and forth on the guys cock as he pumps just ever so slightly.....show the girl grinding her hips, bucking, trying so desperately to GET HERSELF OFF. im so sick of the formula porn where the girls just lay there so passive. take some initiative girls

3) more 'grinding.' what do i mean by grinding? this is when the girl rolls her hips and ass around in sensual circles. This is extremely sexy and should be incorporated more into the solo teases and ESPECIALLY in reverse anal cowgirl! Silvia saint used to do it....now I hardly see it done anymore. grind slow and then build up, faster, faster and harder harder

4) more female orgasms, and REAL orgasms. if they cant get it, then make them, let them rub their clits for a whole 15 miutes before the scene starts or in the middle of the scene so that they CAN cum. and if their orgasms arn't obvious, how about a little acknowledgement of it. the girl should declare when she's cumming....because its AN EVENT!
END lesbian scenes with ORGASMS!!!! the only reason lesbian scenes are so anticlimatic and leave you wanting more is because there is no BIG O in it. after the BIG O, have the girls do really, really deep french kssing to finish it

5) i'd also like to see some scenes done all in one shot. YES U HEARD ME< ALL IN ONE SHOT. no cuts, no breaks, just let the talent go at it so they can lose themselves in the moment and their desires. of course this means there will have to be some precise and well directed rehearsing.... make them go through the movments and different positions several times. it will be worth it. WHY? BECAUSE THIS WAY WE CAN SEE THE HEAT BUILD UP REALISTICALLY AND IN REAL TIME. we will be able to notice the girls moans building up and getting closer together and more animalistic and uninhibited... the passion will be more real. just have a secret code or something to signal the dude when 30 minutes are up. You dont have to film the whole movie like this, just one scene....make sure these talent really, really know what they're doing.

6) More bush. How great would it be to see a soft blonde pussy fleece adorning the cute teagan? I rest my case judge and jury

7) more crawling and spanking. when the girl crawls around with her naked butt in the air have the guy give her some nice really hard spanks- REAL spanks, not the half ass prissy slaps that i usually see- nice and hard, so hard that it compels the girl to crawl faster along the floor, then spank her some more and even harder so she's scurrying along the floor as fast as she can and we see her ass jiggling all over the place as she squeals. you know what? have a buttplug in there too for good measure so she's more conscious of it when she scurries along the floor

8) perhaps this next one is a bit fetishy. but imagine this: the scene opens with the girl hung upside down in the center of an open room, legs spread wide open, heels attached to chains which hang from the ceiling..... hands bound behind the back in handcuffs.
then she gets spanked a little and then eaten out from the front and back.....dildoed a bit, then she sucks cock...upside down.
TAKE A RISK. I think this one could be gold

9) more cumming down an open ass gaped. popshots into the ass from outside of the ass. then have the guy spit into her gaping ass.... have him do it several times, and when the girl's ass is completely filled up, make her cumfart it all out and then eat it

10) to reiterate all those other good suggestions from prior posts.......less man ass. hey if you need a DP scene then have the girl get fucked by one man and a really nasty, horny girl with a strapon
no more stupid interview questions like 'how old were you when u first had sex' REALLY I DONT GIVE A CRAP WHAT THE ANSWER IS ANYMRE....12, 16, 13, 17...its just a number
More creative settings, put the couch in a forest or something.
more deep french kissing between girls.
ore saliva swapping between girls. theres a whole lot you can do with your spit that has been completely untapped. it can be made to be looked like and treated like cum
more of the following scenario: two girl ass to ass connected up the butts by a double dong, fucking each other furiously as a guy on the other end is fucking one of the girls in the mouth. another guy can be fucking the other girl's mouth
MORE INTERESTING POSITIONS AND COMBINATIONS! a lot has been untapped. as the kama sutra says, the positions in love making are as diverse and wild as a dream. Or its somethng like that anyway

Edited by - masamune on 5/29/2005 4:52:12 PM

spitty
Member

730 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 10:30AM
MASAMUNE,

I am impressed !! I really like many of your points ! They have to be more creative and stop dizzying us with ridiculous camera movement and edits. I have been saying this for years. I am sure that it's not easy to direct porn or have the performers do exactly what is wanted. There are often little conflicts or snags , and that is completely understandable for any endeavor. But there is no doubt that they can do alot better , production wise.

For example : camera work , ideas , formulas , fading out at the wrong time , men grunting , directors non stop yapping , mugging for the camera by the women , sexual positions , over agressiveness by men , not enough by women, MORE KISSING BETWEEN GIRLS , SPITTING INTO MOUTHS , MORE GIRLS /LESS MEN , etc.

They have control over alot of elements. All they have to do is do it !!

There comes a point where even raunchiness hits a road block because there is no more chemistry or interaction between performers. I don't need a "demonstration" for an act , I need to sense the chemistry between performers. That's always the bottom line. All the reviewers base their reviews on this.

Keep it nasty , keep it filthy , keep it raunchy. Do all this with better interaction and you can't miss !!

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 10:37AM
Standard box cover formula: Pretty picture on the front, pictures showing what to expect from the action on the back. Riddle me this, Batman, where in this formula do we find the room/the way to show "great chemistry"?

Much, much easier to sell alphabet soup.

-T.C.

spitty
Member

730 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 10:59AM
Who ever said anything about selling this through boxcovers. That's impossible !!!

You sell it through the movie itself, dude !! Most people here watch alot of porn. New styles are created by new directors. Directors change their styles. Porn stars become directors and want to make a name for themselves. We buy , we rent , we trade , we see , and that's how the word gets around . How about reviews ?? That's one of the main resources for discovery and potential to take chances for buying.

There is alot of "trial and error" involved. I am sure that many people who buy porn take risks and get screwed alot. Same here !!

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 11:05AM
Talent fees aside, I'd venture that it's not uncommon for more money to be spend on the packaging of a video than is spent on the production and post-production of the video itself. The last couple of times I've traded with other studios, the packaging on the titles I've received has been positively lavish, even by Hollywood standards.

Why do you suppose porn studios would spend more on packaging than they do on production and post-production?

-T.C.

spitty
Member

730 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 11:18AM
Why else , to sell their product , regardless of quality, because they are business people.I am sure that most of us understand this !!
I have been fooled many times by boxcovers , as have many others I am sure. The fact remains , I am voicing my opinion for a better product. Are you telling me that it is impossible to improve on what's out there ?

More importantly , don't YOU want a better product to watch ?

Skeeter Kerkove
Member

967 Posts
2/03
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 12:32PM
 
bandwagon
Member

58 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 1:34AM
Ultrasiet2, the BTS I was talking about are

Taylor Rain - Full Anal Access 2
Vivienne Laroche - Lusty Legs

stefank60
Member

Gold Trader on ADT
383 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 8:46AM
Yep I'll second that :-)
stefank60
Member

Gold Trader on ADT
383 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 8:55AM
Eevn more cum being swallowed - Maggie Star's scene in ILIR 2 was just amazing - more of this please.

Conversely less cum not being swallowed scene's - what a waste :-)

bigdick
Member

777 Posts
12/01
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 3:16PM
For 2005 I want to see more

Anal Creampies shot into gaping wide holes as woman holds it open.

More two guys on one girls action. All Anal with oral swallowing and Anal Creampies.

Like to see more Anal cum farting into other girl mouth from a 69 position then watch girls roll over and deliver into each other mouths.

More toys being inserted, pulled out and licked by girl in a feeding frenzy.

And a series dedicated to anal queens really going ball deep (not half way in) on some of the big cock in the bizz.

And better lighting on movies and more deep pussy and ass fucking in close up missionary position, aka Jonni Darkko style.

And I want Ashley Long to come back nasttier than ever.

Steve Holmes
Senior Member

1235 Posts
12/02
Posted - Jan 2 2005 : 3:37PM
It is not only money which prevent this attempt. It is also availability of talent.

There is only very few male talent I like to work with and they are all pretty busy. So I book my guys as soon as possible. The girls I book on short notice, because you never know if there is a good new girl coming. Some girls quit or sign a contract.

Than there are deadlines when the movie has to be turned in to be in time for the release schedule.

Steve Holmes

SelenaSilver
Selena Silver

529 Posts
7/03
Posted - Jan 3 2005 : 12:34AM
You and me both...


Selena Silver - SelenaSilver.com

MASAMUNE
Senior Member

1452 Posts
12/04
Posted - May 29 2005 : 4:54PM
I think this is the best and most useful thread of the year. 2005 is almost half over already and I have yet to see any of these suggestions being taken to heart.
green-toke
Member

Loc: Kyoto, Japan
159 Posts
4/05
Posted - May 29 2005 : 5:08PM
These posts are getting long, so mine will be short.

Put effort into the story line for gonzo films. I also enjoy the harder, rougher stuff. The bar is set by Tough Love #4 and Mason's Dirty Trixx #2, in my opinion. In these ones, the scene is set up somewhat. You don't just have two people walk into the scene and have sex.

Edited by - green-toke on 5/29/2005 5:10:43 PM

Edited by - green-toke on 5/29/2005 5:11:25 PM

tmd5
Member

seika izumi
502 Posts
6/04
Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:44AM
1) Less heavy/thick makeup. I've been noticing this a lot lately (sorry, Jules, in your movies too!). I see all these hot women with so much heavy makeup/mascara. It just looks terrible to me. Only a select few can actually look good with such heavy makeup. It just looks them look trashy. The only one that i've seen that looks ok with it is maybe Jayna Oso. Makeup=Good, too much=bad. Got it? This isn't the 80's here people! BTW I saw this one girl in some Anabolic movie and I swear she looked like a clown! I feel soooo bad for saying that but it's true! What's worse is that sometimes with heavy makeup, it's all runny and nasty looking. Brandon Iron, not bashing your work or anything, I do like it, but cum covered faces+running makeup does NOT mix. Just be careful there. Constructive criticism that's all.

2) I'm not a gay man, but i'd like to see more women sucking more than one dick at a time. They can stick two dicks in an ass but won't suck two? It seems like this would be just as common, but it's not. It was done very well in a Feeding Frenzy title. This sort of thing is ok, licking to much hairy man ass is bad. As long as I don't have to actually see his assHOLE in closeup, I can handle it.

3) Max Hardcore hung by his left testicle by Catalina while being triple anal fisted, and oh yeah Catalina is barfing all over too. Dude, that guy really pushes the envelope man!!

4) More tease scenes like the ones in Ass Worship 6.

5) I want more Pamela dammit! Her scene in Euro Hardball 25 was the best scene i've seen in over a year. PLEASE PLEASE, someone put that girl in the next assworship. Jules, are you listening? I like that leather outfit she was wearing, that's a plus too. I could stare at her ass all day if I had nothing better to do. Why doesn't this amazing movie get much attention?!

6) More POV oral titles. Feeding frenzy is good, but I prefer the camera angles found in Down the Hatch 1,2 and 3 and Perverted Point of View 2 (like the mei-yu scene).


7) Less standing DP, more reverse cowgirl anal is nice.

8)I don't mind the milk enema scenes in Jules Jordan titles, but I'd like to see speculums in gaping anal scenes. I don't mind the usage of glass dildos, but out of all the objects you can put up a girl's ass, these are my least favorite. I guess they're a good place to start though. Those plastic ball thingys are my favorite I think to watch.

9) HD Jules Jordan title. I also can't wait to see a widesceen/16x9 DP gangbang scene like the kind you see in the assman and euro hardball series. I don't like gangbangs but 2 women and 2 men is more like it. I'd probably be willing to pay $49.99 retail for a HD title if it was good. I'll pass on the PRIVATE releases for now.

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - May 30 2005 : 5:38AM
fewer face piercings (nipple piercing is ok, though)
fewer implants
fewer tats
fewer scripted interviews
fewer "just off the buss" performers
fewer teens (teens does not always = fresh anyway)
less humiliation ("does your mom know you lick ass", etc)
more natural looking women
better sound (the sound in porn really sucks)
any look besides stripper or mallrat
more pro-am (like the Omar series)
more black women having sex with white guys
more focus on the girl's nipples
more natural bush (I'm getting bored with all the shaved pussy)
fewer fat, old, and hairy guys, because it turns off the girls
fewer weak cum shots (if you can't squirt then find a new career)
less clowning around (I'm not watching porn, so I can laugh)
less stupid movie titles (you know who you are)
less gagging (it's called "sucking" dick not "jamming" dick)

Edited by - Cyberchicken on 5/30/2005 5:38:46 AM

Edited by - Cyberchicken on 5/30/2005 9:38:45 AM

Zartyr
Member

700 Posts
7/04
Posted - May 30 2005 : 6:12AM
If I read the following on the cover.

1. This movie was produced in close cooperation with La Perla.
2. If you are looking for worthless whores, don't check out this title.
Here you'll see some ladies with self-esteem doing the most extreme things you can imagine. They all have proven their talents for years in the industry and they won't vanish into the porn abyss during the next six month.
3. Our tech crew is able to spell "Zeiss" correctly.

Edited by - Zartyr on 5/30/2005 6:13:58 AM

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - May 31 2005 : 4:00PM
Oh, and something else. Maybe the most important thing of all, and I bet many here agree with me on this.

Quit flooding the market with generic porn.

Less is more, and I definitely think some companies release too many titles, per month. This hurts the overall product quality, and the companies reputation.

How many big boobed series, or anal series, or euro series, or whatever else it hot this year series, must a company shovel out the door. When your product starts to blur together, the result is a confused fan, and a weakening of your product line. Then you start depending on cover girls to sell your titles, instead of reputation.

The company should be the star, not the cover girl, but that's not possible if all of your titles look the same.

Now for someone with absolutely no experience in the biz, can I talk out my ass, or what



cursive
Member

Your inquisitveness is infectious...
586 Posts
4/05
Posted - Jun 1 2005 : 6:50PM
Yes, yes, yes...

I, however, like the fishnet look. Fishnets got a naughty decadence to 'em (well, if you pair up fishnets with a grown-looking woman with long legs and high heels). Put 'em on some baby-faced teenybopper and...ick.

worldwidewilly
Member

germany
69 Posts
4/05
Posted - Jun 1 2005 : 7:55PM
DEFINETELY MORE BEHIND THE SCENES!

WHO ELSE VOTES FOR THAT?

willywilly
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2/05
Posted - Jun 1 2005 : 8:03PM
+1

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mod note: worldwidewilly, please do not type in all caps. As noted in the Forum Etiquette, it is equivalent to shouting. Thanks.
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