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M.B.
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Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 11:36PM
A friend of mine sent me a dvd he made of a boxing fight.

The fight was aired in HD. He recorded it and put it on a dvd for me, he said it's in 16 X 9 aspect ratio.

I'm watching on a regular pan & scan tv.

There are no black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, I thought if an image is in 16 X 9 and I'm watching on a regular tv, that there should be black bars on the top and bottom of the screen.

When watching the fight, the picture fills in the whole screen, but the image looks like it's stretched out vertically (from top to bottom). The people look skinny and their faces look long.
It looks like the image has been pushed in horizontally (from the left and right) in order to fit the screen.

My question is:

If I were to pop this dvd into a dvd player and watch it on a widescreen tv, would I be able to stretch the screen out horizontally (left to right) and would the image then look normal? and would the entire widescreen be filled?
I can't help but feel something isn't right with the image.

If you've ever see the first Die Hard movie aried on tv, they compressed the image (pushed it in from the left and right sides) to fit it on a pan & scan tv screen resulting in the people in the movie looking stretched out from top to bottom (skinny) and just plain freaky with long faces.

This is what the fight looks like when i'm watching it.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Edited by - M.B. on Jul 16 2005

TonyC
Comstock Films

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Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 11:40PM
Sounds like your DVD player has defaulted to "sqeezed" mode, which presents 16:9 stuff squeezed.

Use your remote to go into the DVD player menu and switch to "letterbox".

-TC

M.B.
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Posted - Jul 16 2005 : 12:06AM
I tried doing that and nothing changes.

My Sony player has three tv screen options to choose from:

4:3 Letterbox
4:3 Pan & Scan
16 X 9

I tried setting it to all three and nothing changes

My Sony player automatically detects what aspect ratio is being presented so you don't have to choose it manually.

If it's 2.35:1 , 1.85:1 , or 4:3 full screen, the player automatically presents the movie that way. You don't have to manually choose the aspect ratio.
The only thing I can change is the tv screen set up (which kind of tv screen I am using with the player like I listed above).
In this case it's 4:3 pan & scan.
He tells me the fight is in 16 X 9, does this mean it's meant for widescreen tv's?
I'm guessing that means in order for me to view this fight properly (without the image looking like it's stretched out), I would need to watch it on a 16 X 9 widescreen tv?

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 16 2005 : 12:43AM
Your friend essentially replicated the function of squeezing a 16:9 image into a 4:3 format, which is basically the same thing that is done with anamorphic DVD's.

However, the process that he isn't able to replicate is to set the flags on the DVD that tell the player what he's done. As far as your DVD player is concerned, you have a regular 4:3 DVD in the player. It has no idea that your friend squeezed a 16:9 picture onto the disc. In this case, the DVD player is just a glorified VCR.

If you play that same DVD back on a widescreen TV and put the TV into the proper stretch mode it will look great. But it will never look good on a 4:3 TV.

Edited by - Bill on 7/16/2005 12:47:49 AM

M.B.
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Posted - Jul 16 2005 : 8:11AM
Thanks Bill.
I need to get out of the dark ages and get a widesceen tv. I've been putting it off for so long, waiting until my cable company HD box is a reasonable rate/price.
But it looks like widescreen technology is becoming the norm so I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy one soon.
 
greatskilz
Member

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6/05
Posted - Jan 5 2007 : 10:50PM
Hi Bill... this is a question for you.

This is a pretty old thread, but it seems relevant to a problem I have with a few DVDs filmed in HD, from Digital Sin & Zero Tol. Picture stretched vertically, etc., will only look good on a widescreen.

Not to seem stupid, but are there not converters or certain DVD players that can flatten the picture back out for a regular, old fashioned 4:3 like my Sony Wega? I can always buy more DVD players, but I'd hate to get another TV. Just asking... couldn't really find an online FAQ.

Now, if there was such a machine that was also PAL/NTSC compatible and region free, I'd REALLY jump at it... but, one thing at a time.

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 6 2007 : 10:17AM
Go into the setup menu in your DVD player. My guess it that the aspect ratio setting is at 16:9 instead of 4:3. That would mean that you DVD player thinks that it's connected to a widescreen TV instead of a 4:3 TV.

If you change that, the DVD player will "build" the black bars on top & bottom before sending the picture to the TV.

greatskilz
Member

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Posted - Jan 6 2007 : 8:44PM
No, I'm set for 4:3 letterbox. bono-ONE mentions the same problem in his review of the DVD in question, Ass Cleavage 8 . Little I can do about it, however.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 7 2007 : 12:08AM
Then is sounds like Ass Cleavage 8 has the same problem the DVD that M.B.'s friend made. It contains an anamorphic image, but is missing the flag that tells the DVD player that it's anamorphic.
K
Smitten Kitten

Cloud 9
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Posted - Jan 7 2007 : 5:59AM
Lots of 4:3 TVs have a button or menu setting, allowing you to manually change the aspect ratio between 4:3 and 16:9.

My Sony, which I think pre-dates their Wega brand, has a button for it.

Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
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Posted - Jan 8 2007 : 1:26AM
Ass Cleavage 8 was authored improperly. It's exactly what Bill says; your DVD player can't tell that it's anamorphic and therefore it plays stretched no matter what you set your DVD player to if it's connected to a 4:3 TV. This was one of our first HD titles and this problem has since been rectified.

Edited by - mike quasar on 1/8/2007 1:28:28 AM

greatskilz
Member

161 Posts
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Posted - Jan 9 2007 : 12:09AM
Thanks for the response, Mike! I love your stuff. Thanks to everybody else for replying, too. So that means if I wait a few weeks, the latest batch should have the problem corrected?

I wonder if my other problem title, Digital Sin's wonderfully titled "Fuck my Ass 'n' Make me Cum #5" has been similarly repaired.

Edited by - greatskilz on 1/9/2007 12:22:36 AM

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 15 2007 : 6:17PM
I don't think so. By "rectified", I think that Mike meant that they haven't made the same problem on subsequent titles. If you want to see Ass Cleavage 8 in the proper aspect ratio, you will probably need to purchase a widescreen TV.
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

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Posted - Jan 16 2007 : 8:36PM
Actually we re-authored the disc and all future shipments of it will be correctly done.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 16 2007 : 9:09PM
Cool. I stand corrected. Can people who have the incorrectly authored version return that copy to Zero Tolerance in exchange for a corrected one?

If so, how do they go about that process?

Also, was there any modification to the cover of the DVD so that people can be sure that they are purchasing a corrected version of the disc?

Edited by - Bill on 1/16/2007 9:12:52 PM

 
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

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Posted - Jan 16 2007 : 9:41PM
Good question. I'll check it out and post back when I find out.
greatskilz
Member

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Posted - Mar 11 2007 : 11:21PM
Am I clear to purchase a fixed one now?
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