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| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 |  Posted - Dec 14 2014 : 3:04AMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Njuo1puB1lg I think this is good food for thought in terms of how porn should evolve in the future as far as a progressive business model goes. Some venturing minds out there need to come up with the porn model of RtB and CwF. [Link] |
| evilpineapples Member ONE TWO THREE, KUUUCKMAAAL! 705 Posts 6/13 | Posted - Dec 15 2014 : 5:48PM [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 12:36PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Dec 19 2014 : 2:27AM They have done this. It's basically the reason that cam shows/cam girls work as well as they do. I've said this on here before, but the truth of the matter is that porn as we know it (as in prepackaged scenes and/or feature movies) will basically primarily exist in the future as advertising for personal services that the girls will offer (be it webcam shows, custom videos, private chats, or escorting). Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 12/19/2014 2:27:24 AM [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 8:14PM I agree that that is the future to some degree. In essence payment is becoming more direct which is a good thing. However I do think that there could be production companies in the future so long as they come up with good incentives to make people pay. For instance the patreon model that you see today could be part of the future. Bitcoin and crypto currency will also play a role in structuring the biz model of the future. Edited by - Maxxx Stirner on 12/23/2014 2:57:03 AM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 9:07PM The closest were going to see in porn to the patreon model is the single performer and/or single director sites that we already have right now. Which, to be honest, is actually pretty close. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 12/22/2014 9:07:28 PM [Link] |
| evilpineapples Member ONE TWO THREE, KUUUCKMAAAL! 705 Posts 6/13 | Posted - Dec 23 2014 : 3:52PM Web 2.0 made porn more accessible to customers through the power of streaming video, but that also encouraged piracy and weakened the production houses that actually make the content. Something needs to be done to fix that imbalance, and I'm confident that the next big innovation will make strides toward doing that. Piracy is the real problem; specifically, tube sites are stealing massive amounts of revenue from the production houses that own the content. There needs to be a new business model that renders tube sites irrelevant. I believe that business model is coming in the next 2-3 years. Edited by - evilpineapples on 12/23/2014 3:58:41 PM [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 24 2014 : 7:27AM I'm of the view that there should be a post IP/copyright all in one tube site that producers and performers can go to to connect with fans and give them a reason to buy or tip. For instance you could have a system where on this tube site you can tip the performers for a good scene and a percentage of the tip goes to producers. This could also be how you get someone to become a patron on the specific porn site. If you want to tip a performer you have to join(be it for a day or the full package year). Otherwise it should be F2P with perhaps downscaled viewing options. *typo for my previous post. I wrote I don't agree it is the future* Edited by - Maxxx Stirner on 12/24/2014 7:29:21 AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 24 2014 : 12:59PM 1-Trent fucked his label company over by giving away free songs that his label company had probably already paid him to produce and which could easily have been a huge financial disaster for them. 2-All of his ideas were directed toward to an already converted group of people since all of his gimmicks were done at the places where he sang so the people there were paying fans. 3-The CD changed color when it is warmed in the player is a dumb gimmick because to actually see the change in color means you have to stop playing the Cd and look at it. that and most people convert CD to a digital format to carry on their ipod, mp3 player or smart phones. 4-His 75$ for a deluxe set and 300$ for the extra deluxe with signed material was all directed at his existing fans so no one looking to discover a new band bothered with those options. None of these above things can work for porn. In fact none of them can work in getting new people interested in your product since they are all targeted at the converted. The problem facing the porn industry is that people don't want to pay for it and even if they were to get an offer to meet their favorite performer for free would not mean that they will then go out and now pay for the free porn they have been using to get off. The problem facing the porn industry is not much different than the one facing the music industry. There are plenty of illegal download music sites and that is at a time when iTunes as well as plenty of other music download sites offers songs for less than 2$. The main difference is that there are millions of people buying music to offset the millions who don't and therefore producers still make money. The porn industry does not have the same number of people to play with and therefore the few that pay can't off-set the millions who don't and you have the current and sadly near future reality of the porn industry. [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 24 2014 : 2:37PM 1)I don't care for record companies and don't see them lasting beyond another generation. 2) Porn has its converted as well and you have things like conventions and other meet and greet areas to execute the CwF RtB model. 4)Nothing wrong with shoring up existing indentured fans. Look at someone like Mimefreak and his 'crew', they represent a fairly solid fan base. The problems you are taking about are really tied to perpetual profit motive which should be done away with imo. You should not rely on a perpetual stable of new buyers. When talking about the music industry the non performing class are the ones being effected adversely whereas numerous indy-smaller scale level performers are doing just fine with the qualitative fan base that they do have. There are numerous examples of this in the punk and metal subculture as a good example. One band that I know of essentially has no problem with their music being torrented and relies on a hardcore fan base to pay out not pay up. Needless to say they have some qualitative buyers that more then keep them afloat. In the future musical and sexual entertainment will not be channeled from a conglomerate class which is a good thing in my book. I think that paying for things like porn and other things will take on more of a use value kind of approach. There will be less of a separation between performers and production which ultimately means more creative autonomy even if secondary and tertiary revenue dries up. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 25 2014 : 11:50AM You could have a porn convention every week and all it would do is kill the industry even faster because all the studios would lose money by paying booth fees to those convention and still see that the vast majority of the porn being watched on the net is done on tube and torrent sites. Let me ask you a question. How much do you spend on average on porn per month? I know that I spend more than 30$ and it can go as high as 100$ if I join certain sites or buy movies. It's a completely different story when it comes to music because I don't spend more than 30$ a year on it in large part because I can't stand the vast majority of what is being made these days and I already bought most of what was done in the past. The following phrase caught my eye and makes me think that you don't understand on businesses work. "The problems you are taking about are really tied to perpetual profit motive which should be done away with imo". All businesses (even the non-profit ones) need to keep making money to stay alive otherwise they die. Every company needs to make more money than the prior year because the cost to make the same amount goes up every year. If a company only breaks even each year than they will sooner or later go out of business because all companies need to make a certain profit to off-set a bad year or an unexpected expense. Porn is just like that except that where they once made huge amounts of profits. They now make significantly less and some are at the level where the mostly break even. If those break even companies can't find a new source or make sure that their existing source doesn't give them a better return than they will go out of business just like every dead studio that was a powerhouse 5 years ago. Those new sources can't be people attending a convention because the guy paying 50% bucks to get his picture taken with a performer can still go home and watch all her movies on a tube or torrent site and the money he paid that performer means fuck all to the studios because they aren't making any money from those conventions unless the guys who attend buy their movies. [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 26 2014 : 3:10PM As far as tube sites, torrents and file sharing go I see this as a manifestation of free flowing information. Just as the printing press changed the game in the past the internet is creating even less information scarcity.There are musical acts that are not just accepting torrents and file sharing but taking part in it. The successful porn producers of the future will be the ones who do what I am suggesting. Lastly I know plenty about profits. I'm not suggesting that they should not exist as such as much as I am saying the maximizing motive should not be pursued. Trying to get pay up money from hypothetical buyers and customers for example. As to the new sources I've already gone over new ways of bringing in $. One option I would emphasize would be a standard tube site that is given copyright amnesty as a means for performers and producers to connect with fans. The fact is the old enclosed pay up system is drying up as file sharing, tube siteing, password sharing and access diving intensifies as future generations become more internet sophisticated. Like it or not the future is more voluntary patron pay out bases then the dying system that currently exists. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Dec 26 2014 : 3:53PM [Link] |
| Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14 | Posted - Dec 27 2014 : 2:00AM [Link] |
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