What is the reason so many stars do it? I totally agree it is a personal decision, but I just wonder what so many of them use as a basis for that decision. It seems the majority of fans are against it, so it isn't to increase their marketability of their bodies - it usually has the opposite effect. What are some of the "she has her reasons" reasons?
The majority of the fans at ADT, yes. However, often times you'll see industry insiders kindly commenting that the consensus opinion of ADTers should not always be regarded as a sample population to be extrapolated to the general adult film viewing audience. You also get a fair deal of female performers cynically remarking that the majority of guys away from ADT love big breasts, real or not. It's as if we are sometimes regarded as the nice but elitist clerks from High Fidelity , and maybe they're right. I don't know.
"What are some of the "she has her reasons" reasons?"
i knew before getting my boob job some people would have mixed feelings. but i did it because all my life i thought was going to have large breasts because of my moms size. but as i grew older i wondered why my sister was so flat and why i wasn't getting any bigger. with much disappointment i was told at age 17 that my moms breasts weren't her own. i was devastated but then went on a mission to find a way of getting mine done. finally i did them and i'm happier than ever, my clothes fit a lot better and i feel sexier than ever. that's all that matters...my confidence
i love my small boobs and i don't think augmentation is for everyone, i have seen way to many bad boob jobs and there are so many negative affects that can happen with a boob job that it just seems so risky to do something like that. I mean if it makes you happy go for it, a boob job like flick's (shagwell) is great! she was beautiful before and still is gorgeous now. Boobs or no boobs most girls just do it to make them selves happy.
Bingo. They always do it to feel happier and better about themselves. Okay. So, why don't they feel happy without augmentation? Well, we don't typically get answers as open and revealing as Eva Angelina's. She actually told us what her reasons were as well as what the end result was. Most of the time, we are to guess that if done for personal reasons the girls do it for body image/self-esteem issues (adding more plausibility to Dr. Jean Kilborn's arguments every time). If for business issues the girls did it to make more money feature dancing (ex. PJ Sparx) or to land a contract.
It depends some girl's bodies suit bigger breasts. The best implants are the ones I can't notice. Seeing implant scars is kind of a turn off. Cockeyed crooked tits are horrible too. Most of the girls who work the dance scene get implants cos it's sort of expected. I personally don't have a problem with a nice pair of natural B cups, C cups, D cups and some girls bodies suit a sexy A cup eg Ashley Long. In regard to fakes I'm not fussed either, hell I'm a guy, but I'd draw the line at fake EEE's or something like that.
The majority of vocal fans at ADT, yet. I like large breasts, and I'm shallow enough to admit that I don't care whether they're natrural or after-market. I also like many, many performers' medium-sized natural ones, but I personally don't like small-to-tiny ones very much.
It's just my opinion, but I'm just not into it, and yes, I base my purchases off of what I like. I don't however feel a need to shout my likes or dislike off at the top of my lungs whenever the opportunity presents itself (not implying 3SB here) is, so my "voice" isn't very vocal.
I also don't really get into the threads where people discuss whether should get her boobs done, or when asks ADT if she should get hers done.. I figure I'll let them decide for themselves and contimue to buy whatever I like.
At the same time I'll admit that there are performers who I never really noticed "before", but seeing an "after" photo has made me go "wow, who is that ?" Eva being a recent example.. I'd heard the name on ADT over and over, but saw her for the first time in a still on DVSX's site, and had my "wow" moment..
It's like the Kinzie Kenner thread on this page.. I have no idea who she is, either. Who am I to tell her whether to get the job done or not?
True enough. But then, while many say the food at McDonalds is crap, they do good buisness. And it gives cwians/ChristianX another opportunity to be condescending, which is always good.
The truth is, while I personally don't care for implants, I've seen women with freak show implants get huge tips at strip clubs. Of course, many don't actually like those huge implants, but like the idea. Or like the freakishness of it.
I think Juha hit the nail on the head. Plastic surgery is one way a girl can differentiate herself from her past work.
Personally, I like boob jobs just fine. There have been a few disasters over the years, obviously, but for the most part the procedure ends up improving the girl's overall appeal. In fact, I would go so far as to say that unless they have an absolutely perfect rack, like Angel Dark for instance, more girls in porn should consider it.
I worked [briefly} for a dance agent a number of years ago.
Big Boobies = Big Dollars was the line I heard over and over.
These numbers are from 15-20 years ago....
A "Housegirl" in the northeast might get $75-$175 a night from the club to walk in the door. She is usually responsible for all expenses.
She might see her $75 a night rate go to $150 and her tips increase the same after her boobies were done.
Note - In some parts of the country they may not get a dime to come in the door ...and in some they even pay the house a locker fee or whatever they call it now.
We dealt with a part of the country where they had to pay girls to come in.
Anyhoo - it gets into their heads pretty quick...when the girls are counting their money at the end of the night...the girls with the big boobies invariably did better.
To take it a step further..
Then they may start doing magazines ..as a mag cover or centerfold they might see their rates go to $250 a night or more - these may be 2-3 night bookings over a weekend + tips and maybe they get a room comped.
A Feature Dancer with elaborate sets and costumes - a real show - choreographed and all - 15-20 years ago might get $1500 - $5000 a week from the club to walk in the door.
Features usually get booked for the week and transportation + all expenses paid. . . . add tips + polaroids + autographs.
A pornstar is considered a Feature and with some notoriety can pull the same or possibly even more $$ than the high end dance shows - without the stage show and without 20k in props and costumes.
Some exceptions - A Penthouse Pet of the Year or Runner up could pull 5k without a stage show and without video titles but those were the exception rather than the rule.
I do wonder what the situation is with implants on the feature dance circuit nowadays. We know that around the time you are talking about is when so many porn stars were getting implants and that was usually the explanation for it. However, how many girls currently do it to actually make more money stripping? You see more "I've been thinking about this since before I was a porn star" than "it'll help my career."
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I don't go to strip clubs generally, but I did go to one about 7 years ago and every single dancer had a boob job. This was a pretty high-end place, in Portland, Oregon where there are tons of strip clubs and I'm pretty sure this was one of the very top clubs to work in if you were a stripper at that time. My impression was that most girls wouldn't have a chance to work there without a big rack, real or enhanced. I mean, it was fairly obvious that was a requirement. These were house dancers, however, not porn stars working the dance circuit, so it's a little different situation.
I don't know how many girls do it to actually make more money stripping. Truthfully, I don't think it's very many because I don't think most porn chicks are interested in that type of work. I think the greater impact is the opportunities it opens up within porn. In Kinzie's case, I think you'll see her in a ton of new scenes once her recovery is complete, especially if she keeps doing anal. I also wouldn't be surprised if she's angling for a contract from Vivid or Wicked.
While many of them may very well have contemplated getting a boob job prior to entering the porn business, I'm sure the realities of the industry helped push most over the edge. I doubt many porn chicks get boob jobs that really, really don't want them. But, if you were previously inclined or generally favorable to the idea, I imagine it becomes a pretty simple decision.
I'm a bit surprised in Kinzie's case that she didn't milk the anal thing for a while before making this decision. Then again, maybe that's how she's paying for the operation.
TSCfan317 wrote: However, how many girls currently do it to actually make more money stripping?
-Not many. I've never stripped and not sure if I would.
You see more "I've been thinking about this since before I was a porn star" than "it'll help my career."
-"I've been thinking about this since before I was a porn star" yeah, that one. All I know is that I have never been more comfortable with my body. It's a good feeling.
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Well, yeah, if you were a stick before the operation, then you would basically be a stick after the operation, but with bigger tits.
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Posted - Sep 6 2005 : 2:32AM
I love Boobies! Big or small, it don't matter. In my 20 years of being a fan of porn, I've never bought a movie for large breasts. I think it is unfortunate that some girls feel that they need them. But it is their choice and I can respect that, as long as they keep showing them off!
With all the fans saying the girls look fine as they are, shouldn't confidence increase with that?
I can understand if girls in the business wants to fix the shape, but why blow up a nice perky B into balloony C or D?
Personally I'd love to see a title like 'Small titted anal whores'... and I'm sure it would do just as well because there's quite a few really cute girls fitting that description today.
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Posted - Sep 6 2005 : 1:00PM
I am pretty sure that I will always prefer nice natural boobs of any size over fake boobs of any size.
However, I've recently become more open to very nice fake boobs.
I had been friends with my best friend for over a year before I found out that she has implants. She had gone from between an A and B up to a small C. Unfortunately, she's on her 3rd surgery though. This last surgery was so good that even I couldn't tell she had implants until I saw a TINY ripple one day when she was wearing a bikini. I said "can I ask you a personal question? Are your boobs real?" She immediately told me "Nope. I had them done 10 years ago."
Anyway... I wish more girls in porn that had nice natural boobs resisted getting surgery, but it's their choice. However, it's also my choice whether to watch them. :)
Actually, it's fine by me, generally. But I think a lot of girls who get them done are acting on poor self-image that is not actually justified by the ratio of boob size to body type. I have some other thoughts, as well, related to porn's effect on this kind of thinking in general, but I'll take Melissa's cue and leave it out of this discussion.
Also, I've never found Christian to be condescending -- just honest!
skronker, i appreciate that....and croy's comment hurts me.......i feel badly that he feels that way about me. croy, could you direct me to the post where you feel i was condescending towards you? it would take a load off my mind.
I blame the media. Turn on TV and sink into the heaven of plastic surgery goodness: makeover this, makeover that, look like a superstar, look like your idol, have a designer vagina, bleach your ass, and so on. With so much attention going to the importance of looks and these sleazy "doctors" preaching about how surgery can make you infinitely happy, it's no wonder people are so eager to see imaginary shortcomings in themselves, and act on it..simply because they can.
Towards me? No, we just don't cross paths that often. Condescending? Yeah, you can be. Like in some previous thread about implants, I felt you were talking down to the posters.Maybe not everybody reads it that way. But what possible bearing does the taste of others have on our individual tastes? Of course there are reasons that women get implants, otherwise it was a few thousand tossed away on a whim. But people have their opinions and voiced them. So the implication that you were laughing at them wasn't meant to be condescending?
Sometimes I sound like a broken record so excuse...I truly miss the obnoxiously crazy EEE and HHH, Lisa Lips, Wendy Whoppers movies etc. I will admit it, hey somebody bought those movies! I see it as a sub-niche, like creampies and cum swallowing are now super popular. It is an era that I do not think will ever come back. That being said.... I just love beautiful women (who doesn't?) If a woman is hot to me the addition of going from A to C does not really make any difference or change MY personal buying habits. I bought Jill Kelly flicks before and after implants, I bought Teagan before and I will by the after ones. etc. I understand however that people out there might not have bought star X when she was an A and will now that she is a C and that is one of the thousand reasons why they might do it. I was just giving my personal outlook since I am a long-time porn fan.
I think Christian is pretty much on the money. But it's not just this. A lot of girls I know also like girls with big boobies (in both sexual and non-sexual ways). And what's more. The boys mentioned above like big cocks. Yes, even the hetero ones.
After all, how many porn movie covers spend time talking about how huge these throbbing cocks are, or the big black dicks, and so on... not to mention how many guys have a complex about not having a huge horsecock.
It's a sexual-genital size-queen thing, and it's not unique to boys, and it's not unique to boobies...
scipio, thats what i thought i was saying in that post. i had no idea that i was being condescending. i was laughing at the fact that you guys continually moan about whatever girl gets implants, and act like why? why? when the very fact that every porn girl continues to get implants at some point never penetrates your reasoning. does that sense?.....
teagan, kinzie kenner, hillary scott, katie gold, alana evans, ava ramone, eva angelina...melissa lauren and taryn thomas have talked about it....the list goes on and on and will continue to go on and on
"when the very fact that every porn girl continues to get implants at some point never penetrates your reasoning"
Actually, that's a large part of what bothers me about it.
I know this sounds pompous as hell (possibly condescending or elitist), but the fact that these girls feel that they must have plastic surgery to feel better about themselves is troublesome to me. I almost prefer it when they do it for their careers. That kind of pressure I can understand. They're doing what they think they need to do to move up the ladder, or so the theory-which was much more pertinent years ago than it is today-goes. However, when it's for self-esteem issues I start thinking of how long the girls have probably been struggling with it, and start viewing advertisements and televion shows and films differently. Look at the culture surrounding these girls. How could they not have body image issues? (Hell, I've even begun to second guess myself for continually talking about my affinity for big breasts here at ADT) Then throw these girls into the adult film industry, where you have girls like Sara Stone running around with amazing natural breasts (Taylor St. Claire used to apparently have girls come up and grab her breasts on set and then ask who her doctor was, seemingly oblivious to the fact that her chest wasn't store bought) and countless other girls running around with implants trying to look like Jenna.
Look at the culture surrounding the guys as well. We are just as exposed to this as they are. Just the general view of women in these areas is disturbing. I saw a video game commercial the other day where an attractive twentysomething woman is talking into the camera and in the end she says, "And I realize now that getting my masters was a silly mistake. I really just want to be one of those women on the mudflaps." What kind of fucking message is that?
Back to porn stars and implants, it's a vicious cycle full of real and imagined peer pressure, and it's not going to stop anytime soon in the adult industry or in American culture in general. However, this really does boil down to, "Who the fuck am I to tell these girls that they can't do what is necessary to feel better about their bodies?" And the answer to that is, to paraphrase someone else, my opinion on the matter is inconsequential in light of that question. Just appreciate that the girl is happier and choose to stop watching or continue watching her scenes.
Okay, then the contract vs. agent thread, where posters were merely pointing out basic buisness principles. Just about everybody in the adult industry (christianx included) was saying they couldn't possibly understand and that Spiegler isn't out to make money. Great. Not once did any industry person point out where basic capitalist concerns would not creep in. If they were wrong, how? Good people or bad, everybody is trying to make some money, if only to live on. A thread, btw, where jamesn dropped his usual act and poster straight-up and politely clear questions.
wow, you are going to interrogate every one of my posts then. beautiful...and that thread, i tried to stay strictly in the center of the road and not stray. i think jamesn brought up some very valid points, but you understand that spiegler is a huge player in this industry, so it would be silly for me to piss him off. you know? :) and also, i like Mark, he is someone that is genuine, and if you call and ask him a question, he will give you an honest answer.
