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Hello guys I know we have all talked about how its a rumour that if a top White Female Porn Actor who works for a big time porn company like vivid or Wicked how if they do interracial scenes with Black Male actors there career might go down now if this is true or not its up for debate and yes we know there are a lot of White Female Porn Actors who prefer not to do interracial with Black Male talent, but the big question is why isnt it a big deal for White Male Porn Actors? White Male Porn Actors seem to have no problem doing scenes with Black Female Actresses and it doesn't bring down thier careers when they do interracial with Black Females, for example Steven St Croix is contracted with Vivid Entertainment but he can do as many Interracial scenes with whatever race of women he wants but his Career will not go down and Vivid doesnt stop him from doing interracial scenes as a matter of fact he just did a scene with Jada Fire, so I want to know why isnt it taboo both ways around,top White Male talent are not told by Porn Studios they work with not to do scenes with Black Women cause it will hurt thier career cause it doesnt and they usually dont have a problem with doing interracial scenes.
Do people really give a shit about what Male pornstars do though? Females are the focus of this industry. Also who's career as gone down by doing Interracial?
JADABLAZE01 - Don't know if yours is a trick question or not, or if maybe you are not from a porn producing part of the world, but I'll give you the short answer in historical generalities. Because white men have never cared who other white men fucked. (As long as the fuckee was female.) And white men were never hated or killed for fucking black women. But white men DID care who white WOMEN fucked. So when white women fucked black men, BOTH were hated or killed by white men. This mindset begat interracial taboo. Which led to interracial porn. Glad I could help. BSD
^ well that is the point , the top could do whatever they want with whoever they want , they will always earn their money because they are top, the real problem is is with low level stars , those who raise money more from featured dances than porn , these stars cannot afford to have their shows deserted by those who don't approve their choices Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/2/2011 4:26:22 PM
well since iam a female the main focus of Porn is to see the Male studs I watch Porn to look at men so I give a shit about male Porn Actors I even have my favorite male Porn Actors list, and also I dont think any Female Porn Actresses career is going down by doing interracial but thats what the industry tells White Porn Actresses specially the ones that are contracted with Vivid/Wicked/Digital Playground, Jesse Jane wants to work with Lexington Steele from what I heard but Digital Playground wont let her, but Steven St Croix who is contracted with Vivid is allowed to do interracial scenes with Black Female Porn Actresses u see the double standards?
Yes some have done it but as we all know the Glamour Porn Actresses that are contracted with Vivid/Wicked or Digital Playground have not done interracial actresses like Stormy Daniels and Jesse Jane who by the way wants to do a scene with Lexington Steele but cannot.Iam not referring to older actresses like Janine who have been in the industry for a while and it took them 10 years to finally do interracial.
This stuff will never truly make sense because someone made it all up and got people to go along with it. There might've been days in the past where some people would get upset if a porn girl they liked did a black guy but who's to say for sure enough people felt that way to actually hurt the girl's career other than the people who were in the position to give her work decided it would. Perhaps the girl's new black fans who've more than made up for the ones who deserted her. I really think the world at large is past getting bent out of shape over the color of the guy a pornstar has sex with. And the ones who are clinging on to those old tired stereotypes will hopefully be to old and unimportant for people to listen to.
I know it Isnt and thats not the point of this thread ur totally missing the point iam talking about White Male Porn Actors and the double standards in the industry, I wanted to know why it isnt taboo for White Male Porn Actors to do interracial Scenes with Black Female Actresses, iam not getting into the whole White female Porn Actresses dodging Black Males cause that subject has been disgust over and over, My Question was why its not taboo to see a top White Male Performers like Tommy Gunn, Steven St Croix or Tom Byron do scenes with Black Females and thier Careers dont get hurt by it.
There was never fear on anyones part that white male/ black female scenes would alienate a significant enough portion of the porn buying audience. That's why. The idea is that most porn buyers are white males and even though WM/BF scenes might have a smaller audience, it wasn't going to upset their sensibilities as much to see a white guy with a black girl.
Some people apparently did have that fear for BM/WF scenes, assuming that there were enough overtly racist people out there that would actually stop watching a girls scenes based on that fact that she did some scenes with black men. Despite the fact that you will still hear some idiots complain about girls who do it, it really seems this fear was mostly unfounded or at least is now. That fear never really even existed the other way around. In fact if there is anyone who could potentially hear some complaints about WM/BF it's gonna be the black female that gets them, not as common as the other way around obviously but you'll occasionally hear how a black girl "fucks too many white guys" or the like. The female is almost always the focus of these kind of complaints from people no matter which ethnicity.
^ Years ago on a radio show the host brought up the topic of interracial sex/dating and there were a disturbing amount of white men who called in and said if they knew a white woman had had sex with a black man it ruined the girl for them and they wouldn't/couldn't be with her. And even today there are a lot of people who post on a site I go to that proudly comment that white women who have sex with or have had sex with black guys is a major deal breaker for them and makes the girl less desirable or not desirable at all. But these same people see nothing wrong with white guys banging a black girl and see it as another notch on a white guys belt. Though most won't admit it their thinking is based on 2 factors and falls into basically 2 camps of thinking: (1) "We white people don't want our precious white girls soiled by black guys...but black women aren't special and it's okay for us to do whatever with them". The other reason is (2)I don't want to follow a black man with a woman because I could never compete with him and I don't want to be compared and come up short". One stems from bloated feelings of superiorty and the other from insecurity.
I don't think so especially because you're thinking about movies but in some rural places where 80% of customers are whites it isn't gonna happen not to mention the difference in average incomes between blacks and whites . Also you are not considering the clubs owners which customer would desert them as well and maybe they don't want to become an almost black only place , plus if a low level star get deserted maybe those who hired her will cancel her tour because they don't want pay a star who doesn't raise their earnings. it is not a simple dance it is the whole package I remember a year ago the very angry comments in another board when Nicole Ray did her single isolated IR for dogfart , they accused her for treason and this was the very low offense they said Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/3/2011 8:51:07 AM
I can't believe that this is 2011 and inter-racial f**king is still an issue for some people. I can't wait for aliens from outer space to invade Earth so that we can finally get over our idiotic obsession with skin tone.
I also can't believe that people want others to do something they do not want to, I thought that Slavery was finished speaking of me I don't mind at all ,for me skin tone has the same value as the color of hair or of the eyes , some are hot some other are good , some are bad depending on the package of the owner , and speaking of porn in most cases I don't even pay attention on who the stud is Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/3/2011 10:19:31 AM
U know what I find interesting, The Black Male/White Female Porn interracial Porn sells more then the White Male/Black Female Porn, thats strange givin the fact on how taboo a lot of Porn Costumers still think on Black Male/White Female Porn. Like Blacks on Blondes or Lex on Blondes series might sell better then Tom Byron's Black Ass Fixation or Michael Stefanos Black Girl Addiction Series.
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HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 3 2011 : 10:52AM
instead of some long-overdrawn story line about "Racism In The Pornography Industry Today" we should just ADMIT that there's still alot of Racism and Prejudice in the industry today. there's porn producers on here that wouldn't even think twice about African American talent, we're still slaves in their eyes. The Pornography Industry is about as Racist and Prejudice as the United States Congress is. Just becuz u have the SAME 8 people in a flick doesn't make u not a racist/prejudice (Jada Fire, Marie Luv, Nyomi Banxxx, Skin Diamond, LT, Rico, Wesley, and Sean Michaels). It just says you're a conscience businessman. I'm still tryna figure why there's only 3 Black women in JaySin's movies or why Evil Angel is gonna only hire Black talent if it's gonna be for a "black" movie or an interracial flick or a WCP/LT show. I can't even begin to tell u how over-produced blonde white girls are or latin-white looking girls are in The Valley. I want White Women to be exotic. I want to desire a White Woman like she's a Fetish. When I fuck a White Woman I wanna either bust in 5 seconds or last 6 hours strong with no in between. Porn is a little better on the East Coast tho (if rough sex is your thing). Porn in California is way too overrated and outdated. Another thing I'm still tryna figure out is why does EVERY African American/Black movie HAS TO have "black" in it. It's a fuckin porno. Edited by - HollywoodBilderbergGroup on 11/3/2011 10:58:49 AM Edited by - HollywoodBilderbergGroup on 11/3/2011 12:03:40 PM Edited by - HollywoodBilderbergGroup on 11/3/2011 12:06:17 PM
No one is trying to make the argument that porn stars (or anyone for that matter) should be forced to have sex with someone of a different ethnicity/nationality. No one is being forced to watch it. Anyway, I thought this thread was about the producers of porn discouraging their top caucasian female stars who are interested in doing IR scenes from doing it for fear that it would hurt their career? If this is true then isn't the white girl who wants some black cock being forced to (or being forced not to) do something contrary to her desire? And for what? I don't believe that it's all about the money. As it's already been pointed out many of the top starlets have done IR scenes and they are still relevant today. It only leaves one other reason and it's the personal prejudice and hang ups of certain ignorant porn producers.
Does Evil Angel hire performers? I thought they only produce and distribute the movies but those issued with their trademark are actually producing themselves. Evil Angel was producer of Justin Slayer for example who did a lot of black only movies , was producer of Brian Pumper who also did many black only movies. I'm confused you want movies with White Women as a fetish but don't want to see"(black" in a movie because it is a "fuckin porno" is n't this contradictory? I mean you want to put it clear when a woman is white but not when someone is black , does this implies that you can put any racial consideration with whites only, isn't this racist? If someone's race has to be a fetish that should be either way otherwise it would be racism.
You sure? This below was said to a completely new girl introducing herself here on ADT who hasn't Interracial availability in her agency profile
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/3/2011 6:04:18 PM
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HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 3 2011 : 6:22PM
it's just more like the outkastedness of blacks. i'm not really tryna get into tha whole race thing on a porno board but don't act like you don't know where I'm coming from. I don't know anybody or label-head personally and I know people DO have preferences (I have some myself) but there's a certain aura around black people that the rest don't have and no matter how much you spaz out like a cult-addict..... nevermind it's senseless! I show'd u how ignorant it looks to us when it happens to us (see what I'm sayin). But honestly I think my name says alot about where i stand on prejudice and racism lol! Race aside it's an ode to the power and strength of a group of certain individuals who outlaw'd everything and made alotta people bow down to greatness! Edited by - HollywoodBilderbergGroup on 11/3/2011 6:48:41 PM
"Anyway, I thought this thread was about the producers of porn discouraging their top caucasian female stars who are interested in doing IR scenes from doing it for fear that it would hurt their career? If this is true then isn't the white girl who wants some black cock being forced to (or being forced not to) do something contrary to her desire?" no this thread was NOT about caucasian female stars who are interested in doing IR scenes, this thread was more about White Male Porn Stars being free to have scenes with any race of female but wont get any stigma attached to them like White Females do.
^ that has a simple explanation as a fact of life If a male fucks any woman around he is a ladie's man if a woman does she's a whore same thing if a man fucks a woman no mather who , he is nothing but a male If a woman fucks some "foreigner" her tribe (whites in this case) disapprove also in time of war winning soldiers use to (or used to) rape enemie's women and daughter, so a male not only can fuck a black girl if he can, but can even fuck an enemy. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/3/2011 6:36:43 PM
It's like anything else in business, they just want to protect their investment more porn buyers want to see white women and they want to make sure to capitolize on every penny they can make I am sure if the day ever comes when IR porn sells better than the other that business practice will change. I don't care what the year is there will always be racial tension not everyone who dislikes a certain race of people is doing it out of ignorance and blind hate.
I'm aware that there are people who feel that way but the real question really isn't about whether people who think that way exist but rather if there's enough of them to really have a negative effect on a pornstar's career. I would think not because we've seen plenty of the top girls do IR and have a huge fanbase and enjoy a successful career. I also have to image that while there are some people who don't like watching IR porn they really don't put much thought into or care if girls do IR...as long as they don't have to watch it...and they don't.
Again, do enough people exist today with that type of mentality to make any sort of major impact? What you said there sounds like the ranting of scared white people from the 60s and 70s "If you open the door even a little bit them colored people they'll start coming here and chase all the good white people away....". In today's world I think business owners are more concerened with making green than worrying about color. Besides, it'll take alot more than a few porn girl that does IR to make black guys start going to mostly white strip clubs in large numbers. The mostly black strip clubs usually have a diffrent vibe happening than mostly white strip clubs and many black men prefer the vibe of the black club. Not always and not for every black guy but I think in general.
From a large perspective, white males dictate what is produced, for they are the biggest consumer demographic. Also, some performers may have personal reasons.
That's true. It would be interesting to see what the world of porn would be like if black consumers were the the majority of viewers. I'd have to think that white male performers would be the minority of all performers in porn. I also think certain types of porn and sex acts would be much less popular.
They always said that janine did interracial to piss off jesse james she never did it again and she had many chances
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blues123 Squirtidiot yet again
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Posted - Nov 4 2011 : 11:13AM
i also dont like black man and white girl porn. i only watch white guys and white girls porn. well i dont think its racist . its just my choice to watch only whites on screen. i also dont watch white guy / black girl scene. i dont like it either. i dont know why people get overly emotional about this topic. beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. isn it ?? thats why i only watch white guy/white girl scenes always. and never any other race. if its interracial porn i turn it off.
I don't like to watch white guys, black guys or any guys in my porn. If all men were prohibited from performing in adult films then I would be more than happy. I can however find beauty in all women...and I'm down with the swirl! "I think I fell in love with a pornstar." Edited by - Love on 11/4/2011 12:41:19 PM
I love interracial porn. Its especially satisfying seeing a very well endowed black man anally violate a white hottie. It's even better if he's rough with it and she hates it. Call me a perv if you will but it's da truth.
Well as I said a top star could give it a fuck to the skin color , but a star who does 1 scene every two months can't , her carrer is not that much , she does porn mostly to maintain her rates and to get hired to do something else, so that kind of people may not interfere with their porn career but might drop their incomes to the point to prevent them from working. Are these people that much? Apparently yes they are , maybe not in the big cities but surely they are in medium and little towns. Also just think about cable TV those where is been aired vanilla porn only ,how much IR porn is aired in there (it is a true question I have no idea) and if those companies producing vanilla porn such as Wicked, Vivid and DP notice a drop in subscriptions if they air IR porn what do you think they would do? Exactly the same they are doing meaning very few IR productions and prevent their main stars from doing IR to maintain their commercial value If this is not the case then there's no reason on earth for them to avoid making money shooting and producing IR porn Just a point , Stoya did her scene with Mr Marcus back in 2009 but DP released it only late in this year , why they waited so long? Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/4/2011 4:28:09 PM
I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing but... If a girl is only doing 1 scene every two months she really isn't into being a pornstar in the typical sense and she probably won't reach any sort of real stardom so she can't be that concerned about her porn career. On the other hand, if a girl can't get much work then she really doesn't have much to lose with doing IR because it opens up a whole other avenue of work. There are girls who's career thrive from IR but aren't that big a deal in typical white on white porn. Sara Jaye is a prime example. If someone like Sara would've fallen into listening to white guys or people in the business tell her to stay away from IR her career probably wouldn't have have been nearly as successful.
That might be an issue if there were such things as local porn girls. If a girl actually lives in a small or medium town and could only have her movies come out in that town and only dance there that might be a problem. But since that senario doesn't really exist it's not much of a problem. Porn is sold almost everywhere. So if 10 guys from Turtleback, Mississippi decide they don't like a particular girl doing IR it doesn't matter because that girl doing IR isn't a big deal for the thousands of people everywhere else. If the girl is dancing and the people at EARL's STRIP CLUB in NORTH CAROLINA don't show up to see her dance because she does IR, then she can simply go to the bigger strip clubs in parts of the country that aren't hung up on such nonsense. Pornstars who strip are able to dance in any clubs who will have them and there's no shortage of clubs who will have them all across the USA.
I haven't watched real porn on cable. But I've seen some of the listing and the stations/channels I saw do offer black and IR porn. Not as many as the typical features but they do offer it. Features have always gotten more viewers on cable and the companies that make features tend not to make a lot of Black or IR porn. I'm fairly sure the black and IR stuff probably doesn't do as well because of the demographic of viewers. I'm sure if the harder/rougher stuff was offered it wouldn't do as well as features either even if it were an all white cast. And to repeat...Just because a person doesn't watch IR porn doesn't mean they are against a girl doing IR. They just don't want to watch it. I still maintain that the number of people who refuse to ever watch a girl again because they've done IR is small overall. There just isn't enough evidence to show a lot of people care about that stuff. The fact that so many of the top girls in porn do IR kinda proves there aren't that many people with that attitude in numbers that can actually hurt a career. Most of the girls who refuse to do it aren't doing it for personal reasons or because someone around them is influencing them not because of fear of hurting their career.
Simple. Because DP simply doesn't do many IR scenes. Perhaps they don't go over well with their audience. It's the same type of thing SAVANNA SAMSON went through at VIVID. She'd been asking to do an IR scene for a long time and they always said no...until they finally gave in. No big Deal. WICKED, DP and VIVID have a certain audience. That auduience might not respond well to IR scenes but (again) that doesn't mean that audience is so big it can kill a girl's career outside that company if the girl does IR. And it doesn't mean that just because a girl like Stoya or Savanna do IR they're going to refuse to ever watch them again. DID either of them doing IR hurt their careers? I think Savanna did IR (BLACK MALE)movie so it must not have hurt her career too much.
That's great. You should only watch what you like. The question I have is: If a pornstar you like does IR scenes does that mean you don't want to ever watch them again doing white on white scenes again?
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blues123 Squirtidiot yet again
79 Posts 4/10
Posted - Nov 5 2011 : 3:05AM
@ above... no its not like that. i am not very pornstar specific. i am interested in scenes only. if the girl i like does IR , its her choice. so that doesnt mean that she goes to my never-watch-her-scenes list. i will just skip her IR scene. and wait for her white on white scene. i am not racist. i just prefer white porn. if someone stops watching a particular pornstar becoz she did IR, then that something different. i dont do that.
@Draxxx Maybe it's my poor English , but I didn't mean the girls do 1 scene every 2 month by their own will but because they can't get much more of it, Proxy Paige for example said more than once that she's not retired but still she's not doing scenes since spring , last updates say she's dancing in Florida. Ashlyn Rae disappear since February , Nichole Heiress since last year (but she's still performing for Brothalovers.com), Jessi Palmer's new scenes are the same I saw scheduled in September and after Dracula XXX nothing else is coming out,Sammy Grand disappear completely since December 2010 (although there's one scene of her at dogfart coming soon since 18 months) I don't think these stars aren't shooting by their own will,I can put many other names. And again you don't consider the ability to choose their work that many starlets actually don't have it is not likely that any of them could choose the club they want , nor is likely that these clubs can absorb all the starlets being refused by little clubs , also it is not a single club but an entire tour not only for a year but forever. That is the point here some of them don't have the luxury to choose. and I'm not saying it is the right thing , I'm saying that it is how it goes. to better understand my point take a look at this thread these racist guys are able to affect even porn-sites and taking into consideration the situation of porn of today their power might increase , especially if they buy from there instead of getting porn from tube-sites , maybe some sites cannot disagree with them because they have to survive and may begin to put only white on white only with girls and guys who only do white on white porn. That is an actual risk Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/5/2011 4:22:20 AM
You're english is fine. I still stand by what I said and the examples you make above simply strengthen what I'm saying. If a girl can't get much work it would be a big mistake to close the door to doing IR if it means getting more work. The girl would be far better off to have more movies out and an expanded fanbase that includes black guys and IR fans than fewer jobs and a small (and small minded) fanbase with fewer fans. I don't really know much about the the other girls you mention but from what I can see if Jessi Palmer didn't do IR she'd simply have fewer movies on her resume and IR fans wouldn't know who she is. I seriously doubt she's been missing out on a lot work because she's done IR.
I did consider it. I just don't think the number of guys who refuse to ever watch or be a fan of a girl who does IR is as many as you seem to think and don't think there are enough to have a major or noticable impact on a career overall. I just don't think there are that many guys who feel that strongly about it. I think those people exist but from what we've seen from all levels of pornstars in the business it's not a career killer.
You really think pornsites overall are hurting because of girls who do IR from time to time? Really?
Thanks for your reply. I only asked you that because I'm trying to make a point. I have to think most people who don't watch or like IR porn are like you. You don't really care if she does IR or not, you just have no desire to watch it. You and most people like that don't decide to never watch a girl again because she does or did IR...you just have no interest in watching her do IR. If she does IR you don't really care as long as you don't have to watch it.
I only put some examples Ashlyn to my knowledge never did IR (nor anal) but was on many covers , cute as hell and a great performer anything of her was worth the expense then all of a sudden she disappear from productions, the other two did and still do IR , the result is the same , to do or not to do IR doesn't change anything , porn producers prefer to hire new young starlets they can pay less and there is less work around to get , that is why the starlets aren't working , look at Nicole Ray , she didn't IR for years then decided to begin to get more work but it didn't happen on the contrary she got angry to very angry reactions from the racist guys, those paying to see her dancing and stripping. Jessi Palmer is one of those who really like blacks guys , but aside her movies , she did only a couple scenes for dogfart , Bill Watson said she is great but he has a couple hundred new girls in line and she already did two so she's not getting anything from there When Justin Long retired or so a year ago he wrote a long post here to explain his decision he said he didn't want to support a racist environment anymore (he's still performing though maybe he had second thoughts or his rage went away)among the thing he said there was one about a eurobabe he knew (he didn't name her though)which was complaining all the time because of some bad advice she had by her agent who made her do IR too early and she lost a contract and many other works because of this
Well as I said they might not affect a pornstar career as a performer but they do affect her parallel works as a stripper or dancer and even as an escort which unless you didn't noticed are by now the main jobs of many stars , actually, many "retired" stars aren't retired at all, they perform privately. Also any star would like to be a contract star so she can earn more working less (this is true unless they are very big stars)as some pointed out before there are porn companies who don't offer contracts to stars who do or did IR , so doing it might have an effect on their career , again unless you are a very big name such as Bree Olson But the time of the stars is gone , no company today pushes or supports any career they use a girl for some months , maybe a year and then they pass over to another starlet , you might not have the time to become a star there are few exception to this and mostly because they become contract stars ,look at Capri Anderson she was in porn for 4 years , nobody noticed her ,her career was gone and she ended escorting, being involved with Charlie Sheen then she got some work due to her new status now she's a contract star and a main performer. The simple scandal wouldn't do this in fact none of the others involved is still working or at best they do a scene every now and then where are Gigi Rivera, Kacey Jordan or Melanie Rios? All gone,although all of them were and still are potential superstars. Capri is the only one with a stardom status just because she's a contract star.This is how it works today.
No, I think (better I fear) they cannot afford to lose any more customers and have to grab those who are still paying for their material giving them what they want. Biggest porn producers sell most of their productions for cable TVs and in stores (online or retail) placed in places where the racism is strong if not rampant and even a white could get issues from racists if they think he's a black friend. These companies cannot afford to lose this large audience and especially local cable TVs who buy their movies and are oriented to their specific consumers.Whites are largely the biggest share of consumers. Anyway my point is not to go against you especially because your points have a logic I might even agree with , my actual point is that a star or a company might have reasons to do what they do (or don't do) other than being racist , that is too simplistic although might be true in some cases. Anyway Jane Darling did a lot of IR and seemed perfectly fine with it (especially with Justin Slayer) though you might don't know she is a racist and I mean really racist she joined a Nazi group in Europe, the gentlest thing she said about blacks when she joined them was "subhumans",I believe there are threads about this fact here on ADT. Taylor Rain has always been accused to be racist until she has been caught hidden fucking a famous black rapper during a party , she never performed IR on screen but she fucked blacks in her private life So doing IR or not doing IR has nothing to do with racism or at least cannot be a conclusive evidence
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/6/2011 4:52:17 AM
It may have been true at one point in porn that a girl who's done IR wouldn't get a contract but I don't think that's been true in a long time. It probably just so happens that many contract girls hadn't had IR sex on screen becfore their contract but I really doubt that's been a deal-breaker in many years. I don't know all or most of the contract girls out there but there's plenty of evidence to dispute what you're saying. Lannie Barbie had done lots of nasty IR stuff before she became a VIVID girl and she wasn't that big a name. Sunset Thomas' sister (can't think of her name right now) did at least one IR scene before becoming a contract girl for VIVID. Some of VIVID's top contract girls have done IR for the company. DYANNA LAUREN, RAYLENE, CHRISTY CANYON, etc., etc...If a company were that interested and invested in not having their girls do IR why would they have those do IR for their studio at all? To continue...CARMEN LUVANA did IR before being a contract girl at ADAM and EVE. So did BREE OLSEN. KATSUNI is incredibly well known for her IR scenes with LEX and yet became a DIGITAL PLAYGROUND contract girl. WICKED is probably the only company that does what you claim and I can't even say that for sure because I know close to nothing about them or there contract players. I don't really watch much stuff from the companies that have contract girls and I don't worry that much about who has and hasn't done IR so I'm pretty sure others could give more examples than I could. But the main point is that I don't think a girl doing IR is a deal-breaker in becoming a contract girl as the names I've tossed out shows. As far as escorting goes...Are there porn girls out there who have a problem getting guys to pay to fuck them? I'm sure there are some girls who proudly brag that they haven't had sex with black guys and that appeals to a few narrow minded people but again, are there so many of those people who worry about that stuff to the point it hurts their business? Unless she's a local girl in a very small town of rednecks who track her career, I just don't see it. I may be wrong but there are just too many examples out there that say I'm right.
I really think you're wrongly and unfairly lumping people who don't like watching IR porn in with people who are perhaps racist and/or hung up on whether a girl has done IR before and thinking they're one in the same. We all know there are people who don't like watching IR porn and that's fine. but most of those people don't have a problem with who the girl has sex with outside the movie they're watching. BREE OLSEN, SASHA GREY, GIANNA, JENNA HAZE, are all bigger names than most contract girls who don't do IR and people watch and buy movies because they're in them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have zero desire to see them in an IR scene but happily watch and enjoy their non IR stuff. If whites were hung up on the fact they ever did IR in the numbers you seem to think exist they wouldn't be able to become top selling girls in the first place. You say it's different for top girls. But do you think people stop and worry about how big a star is who does IR and decides to watch them based on how big/popular they are? Do you think white guys are sitting around thinking "Damn it! I hate that Bree Olsen fucks black guys...but she's so popular I think I'll overlook it and wack off to her scenes...But I ain't giving Jessi Palmer a pass because she ain't popular enough!!!" I'm sounding like a broken record here but there's little evidence to back up that the people who don't like watching IR are mostly people that refuse to watch a girl if she's done IR.
I don't mind you not agreeing with me. You make some valid points and I think there's truth in every point you've brought up. I just don't agree with you to the extent of those points. It's been fun going back and forth with you on this topic because you're keeping a clear head and not resorting to simply calling people racists who don't act or say what you want them to or think there are people in porn with some crazy evil plan to keep blacks down or just being outright insulting. Thanks. I'm black and like IR but I don't care if a white girl chooses not to and can watch her with white guys just fine. I don't think a girl is automatically racist if she doesn't do IR. Perhaps she's with a boyfriend or husband or friends or family who have that hang up and she simply doesn't do it to keep peace and make her life easier. Perhaps she isn't attracted to black men and is the type of girl who needs to be in order to do a scene. Perhaps she sees IR as an act that should be capitalized on and won't do it until she can exploit it and make the most money from it. All those examples are perfectly reasonable with me. I only speak up against the girl if she gives a totally bogas reason for not doing IR. Like when Jenna Jameson claimed the reason she never did IR was because there weren't any black guys doing porn when she was doing porn. I don't care if Jenna did IR but I do get annoyed with excuses like that.
Well the purpose of a debate is to show up ideas , I may get some from you and maybe you from me , both of us are giving points to make those reading (this is a public board after all it's not just you and me)think about it with some basis other the racism/not racism thing. I already said you have some points I agree with, that of Jenna Jameson for example a name above all: Sean Michaels is older than her and was working before she entered in porn , he was active in late John Holmes era and was already active when a very young Nina Hartley was moving her first step in porn , I'm not sure of it but he might have been her first black partner in a movie. Your last post made something clear to me, we're not actually in disagreement , maybe from different perspective but I agree completely with your point about the reasons an actress might have to avoid IR other than racism, which is the main point I was trying to make. I might had given to racists too much credit , can't argue too deep with this I'm not American and I might have an improper perspective on this point. Just some things Jenna Haze did her very first IR with Mr Marcus in Jenna Haze Dark Side in 2006 late in her career and way after she left Jill Kelly , also she was dating Jules Jordan so she had no fear of losing work and opportunities , though it is true that after that movie her career rocketed up and that movie along with The Fashionistas Safado (anal with Rocco)and Lex the Impaler 3 (deep anal with Lex) put her into legendary status among the biggest names in porn history. Katsumi(ni)is not white the racists don't care about who she fucks I'm a white European and I like IR although I'm not fetished with it , I can watch almost anything , I like Black on Black porn too if there's an actress I like (well this is true for any porn ,I surely won't buy something with nothing I like inside of it) and they are quite a few , considering past stars I liked Midori (a lot) Monique , Jeannie Pepper, Heather Hunter,India,Meka Johnson (almost had a crush on her), Charlene Robben (a French black girl) Lydia Channel , Tabatha Cash and Bagheera (all French) Marie Luv (I'm following her since her appearance in a Black Cheerleader Search issue with the stage name of Destiny or Destiny Big), Hypnotiq , Misty Stone (incredibly cute, hot and underrated in my opinion) Evanni Solei, Melody Nakai and too many others to mention here. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 11/6/2011 12:06:00 PM
Jenna has given numerous excuses why she never did IR and all the ones I heard were just ridiculous. I don't remember the exact reasons she gave at this moment but the "no black performers" one was the most ridiculous. If she didn't want to do it or thought it would hurt her career (it wouldn't have)or the people around told her not to, I've have no problem with that. But saying there were no black performers was silly and people who watch porn know it's not true. I guess her and girls who try and make up excuses feel it's better to lie than look like they have a hang up. The Howard Stern show has lots of pornstars on it and Howard always asks the white girls about IR mostly because he saw it made them uncomfortable and he doesn't understand why it's a big to them. There was one girl who came on promoting the fact that she could handle any guy with a huge penis and any guy with a huge tool should contact her to bang her. Howard was impressed but then asks if that included black men and the girl said "No" and from that point on the gave her a hard time and ridiculed her. How can a girl who claims to be looking for the biggest penis leave out black guys? Bibbi Jones was a recent guest and she's willing to bang anybody. She claimed to fuck strangers, old guys, ugly guys, weirdos, any guy is up for grabs because she claims to be so horny. Then the question comes: What about black guys? Suddenly things come to screeching halt and there's a bunch of hemming and hawing, pauses and ummmms...and then the excuse that no she never did a black guy and somehow no black guy has ever wanted to fuck her even though she's apparently all over the place and saying yes to everyone else. She then sorta, kinda, almost, in a way, says she might do a black guy...but not really. There was also a girl who came on the show and claimed she had fantasies about doing a dog but said she could never do a black guy because it would embarrass and anger her family. Like I said, I don't care if a girl doesn't want to do IR but don't go around bragging how who'll bang anyone and anything and don't have any hang ups then say you won't do any black men.
I actually think racism from the girl hardly ever plays into it. I think much more often than not it's insecure/racist boyfriends/husbands and people around the girl telling them it's a bad career move. Then there are the girls who really try and "pace" their career thinking IR and certain sex acts is something you hold off on as long as possible. There have been a number of girls who held off IR for a looong time and when they finally did it those scenes ended up being their best stuff and they seemed really into it.
There's still probably racism in porn and with the audience but I really don't think the racism is as strong as it once was and it's far fewer people.
I'm sure most white female performers get nasty letters/emails/comments from racist fans who say horrible things about them if they do or plan to do IR. Many have said so. The thing is the smart girls ignore those "fans" and don't give them any power over their career. It's stupid to build your career around a few ugly thinking people ike that. Why cater to the ugly minority when you could be embraced by the more sensible and much bigger majority?
^you're a pretty convincing debater I'm not changing my mind but I'm not so sure anymore , maybe I'll do after a couple nights leaving my brain elaborate on his own while sleeping. I can think at some examples of stars who did IR very late in their career and found themselves very comfortable , the already mentioned Jenna Haze after her first di really a lot of IR even in her own line or the late Lisa Ann , she did some every now and then in her long career but she's doing a lot in the last couple years even with Mandingo
The male talent is seen as props in porn and for the most part by most of male porn audience. There are a few male performers that rise above that and guys want to see them perform with certain girls because of their tool size or the intensity of their sexual performance. But for the most part as mentioned, it's all about the girl. So if a white male does a black female the fans of the girl care more about it more than anyone..and honestly fans of black female performers aren't as possessive and picky about that stuff as some white males are about white female performers.
You still didn't really get my point. Females are the focus of the straight porn industry, what they do matters on screen because the target audience cares for them the most. Just because you care about Males on screen doesn't mean they are the focus. Learn the difference.
Well, to be honest. Black male pornstars aren't that great. Except for a few. All they have is larger equipment. Their porn is boring in my eyes. They fuck slow, and rarely go deep and fast. They also are not as hard as the whites for some reason. I'm not saying that it isn't enjoyable for the female because it may be. It just looks boring.But back on topic, why do they need to do interacial porn? White guys doing interacial just looks better. They know how to have sex on camera. But a lot of the most popular porn actresses do interacial porn. Some even made their career with those. Also, tthe more popular porn starlets are ugly and used up, so who cares. Look at jada fire, she used to be nice, but 't even look at her. She's gross to me now. It's bad I know, but true.
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blues123 Squirtidiot yet again
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Posted - Nov 8 2011 : 12:00PM
why if people whi dont watch IR are termed racist?? i dont watch black porn.i dont like it. i dont watch IR . ever . i hate it. i only watch white on white porn. its my money , my choice.
I think everyone has gone slightly off-topic unless I misunderstood the OP. They asked why an IR scene with a white female is potentially career ending while an IR scene with a white male is highly acceptable. I think Draxxx summed it up perfectly on the last page. In some people's eyes a white woman is pristine and perfect and an IR scene would ruin her. While a black women is just something that is just used for fucking and discarding when finished.
I din't think this is actually true, I mean those complaining are whites and the ruined career is of white women , the white "tribe" consider a white woman as one of them , their property , she belongs to them , so if someone from another tribe fucks a white girl they try to push her off as a punishment , cut off her from "the Tribe" If a white male fucks a black girl he is ruining a member of another tribe it doesn't matter it is none of their concern black tribe men should complain of course the use of "tribe" is intended extensive to explain some reactions