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hurricane
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103 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 16 2002 : 11:42PM
First of all let me say I do like this site - both the review section and the forum.

However, it is rather unfortunate that it covers mainly US porn. Well "mainly", make that over 99 %.

By the way, I have nothing against Private, Rocco, Evil Angel, Extreme Associates, Zane etc...

... but there so much (alomst ignored) high quality European porn around. For example DBM (Dino's Blue Movies), which has some brilliant stuff out on their many labels (Lady Anita F, XXX, Tornado, Electra, Family Blue, Dolly Buster, Clark etc). Also very good is Videorama, e.g. the Maximum Perversum and Faust Fucker series.

GaySatyr
Senior Member

Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat!
1684 Posts
10/00
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:00AM
Then, please, contribute!

It isn't that anyone is ignoring the material you mention; rather it is that the material is not readily available to the members of this site who seem to be most active, namely, those in the USA.

As a minority member here (a part of the small gay contingent), I have to say that all seem to be most welcome.

~ GaySatyr

Sbando Boy
Euro Babe Magnet

1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:01AM
It's up to you to add what's missing.
Not only reviews of such titles would be highly welcomed by the niche that's actually interested in them, but then your reviews would end up in the ADT database, then IADF and the Web in general.
The same goes for that guy who wanted to review Goldlight's masturbation movies.
Do it. Or, to quote a wise man (?): "Don't dream it, be it" (ask Steph first).
HoustonDon
Member

Houston
561 Posts
11/99
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:04AM
Isn't Private based in Europe? Don't some of those companies listed record a lot of movies/scenes in Europe? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Hurricane, seeing as how ADT itself is based in the US, I think it's natural that most of what goes on here reflects that fact. That said, I'd like to hear more about porn going's on in various parts of the world too. Are you volunteering to review European dvds, sign up European stores to the price search engine, and provide content? If so, Yay Hurricane!

NuTTy BuDDy
Member

133 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:48AM
^^^Listen to Him
 
hurricane
Deactivated User

103 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 1:13AM
My point is just this. Everybody is writing stuff like "Evil Angel is definitely the best company", "Meridian is the hottest porn star", "Pierre Goodman must be the best porn director in the world" etc etc.

Would be fine, if US porn were in a league of its own.

But that is not the case. European movies like "Edel Huren" (DBM, Family Blue) and "Schlampen mit der Faust gefickt" (Videorama, Faust Fucker) are better than any US porn I have ever seen.

[In my opinion "Euro" porn and European have as much in common as a French restaurant and a French Burger King.]

Sbando Boy
Euro Babe Magnet

1839 Posts
6/01
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 1:50AM
It's not fair. The Forum maybe suffers from this limit, not the reviewing.
I don't like general statements about porn or art or music, or whatever people like, in reviews. Especially when they are obsessively repeated in each and every review (hallo, Pat). If you hate techno or surf-punk, say it, but don't campaign against them.
Believe me, many people here would be interested in your input.
HoustonDon
Member

Houston
561 Posts
11/99
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 1:55AM
Hurr, (may I call you hurr?), in case you haven't noticed, there is no consensus about who the best _________ (fill in the blank as you see fit) anything. Some of the recent debates here have been brought about by factions who think Company X, starlet Y, or director Z are the ultimate porn gods. I'll be the first one to tell you that there's a lot of room for improvement by all of the companies. I have, however, seen a few porn movies made in Europe and they were fairly weak. I'm not egotistical enough to suggest that my personal experience with such porn makes me an expert on comparisons between USA porn and Euro-porn. I know that the market here will not be large for subtitled porn, nor for the typically weak dubs and in a foreign language?!? Forget it! (please keep in mind that I am a big fan of subtitled foreign movies but I know of few others unless you are talking about anime)

So, instead of making inflamatory remarks, why don't you use the forums to educate us as to WHY US porn is so inferior to what you've seen. Give us some examples of what American porn you watched so we'll have a basis to compare your comments. The forums here are designed to include opinions more than exclude them so rather than just list a few of your favorite titles, tell us why those titles are so great and why we should yell and scream for distributors to release them in the largest market on Earth...

Oh yeah, why isn't Private considered Euro-porn? You've made me curious as heck. Especially since they force you to sit through a zillion different copyright warnings in a zillion different languages. Thanks again!

PrivateDVD
Member

57 Posts
3/01
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 6:35AM
Hi HoustonDon,

Just a detail: you can skip all the initial info on Private DVDs just by pushing the Menu button on your remote (at any time after the first second).
We try to bother you the less we can.

Roger

Gabriel Nine
Senior Member

Firecracker
1273 Posts
8/01
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 10:26AM
I would echo the calls to you, Hurricane, to send in your reviews! Get typing!

However, appreciate that everyone has an opinion, hence you say DBM is hot shit, while many people will be, as you say, of the opinion that Evil Angel (who do put out European made movies with European casts, directors etc)are the bees knees and so on.
Also be aware that while swearing undying loyalty to Evil Angel (I am using them merely as an example), many US forum contributors will be entirely unaware of the existence of DBM or Videorama.

So take these "so and so is best" comments with a pinch of salt. You don't agree with them, so let us have your reviews! That's the way to correct the imbalance as you see it.

BTW I am not sure about the distinction you make re: Euro porn?

Janitor
Retired

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11/99
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 10:48AM
We approve all informative reviews of adult DVDs. It does not matter where they're made. Charlie's reviews are a great example.

Of course ADT covers mostly US porn. US stores support the site. US porn companies send screeners. Private is the only non-US company that sends screeners and takes an active role in the site. (thanks, Private :) And Orgazmik is our only non-US store sponsor (thanks Orgazmik :)

We do everything we can to support our international members (eg adding international shipping rates to the price search.) And welcome reviews of European porn.

Edited by - stephdunn on Apr 17 2002

HoustonDon
Member

Houston
561 Posts
11/99
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 11:08AM
Thanks Roger! I tried to hit the next chapter key and it never worked so I just accepted it as part of the experience. You've had some really good dvds of late too. Keep up the good work!
astroknight All-Star Supporter
Questionable Moderator

Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:23PM
Hurricane, once again, if you have a problem since something you like is lacking on the site, do something. I apologize if this seems rude, but if all you want to do is whine about things not being reviewed and talked about when you have access to them, you're just part of the problem. As others pointed out, Adult DVD Talk is a United States based site, and we don't have access to some of the things those in Europe do. If you want to get people talking about those things, start a few threads and write a few reviews so people know something about it.
charlie
Member

uk
450 Posts
4/00
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 12:55PM
Hurricane,
You must understand that the majority of ADT members are based in the US with only a handful of outsiders making up the rest. So the majority of reviews you read will be of material most freely available i.e. US sourced

You have to realise that there is no distributor in the US for any European porn label other than Private so how do our friends in the US get these films to review in the first place.

If you say why not import there is one big hurdle. All European porn is made for the PAL market and is unplayable in most US households without the right equipment. We in Europe are fortunate and can play NTSC dvds with no problems.

Another hurdle is cost. How many European retailers do you know sell porn dvds at a reasonable price? I know of only one in the whole of Europe. The rest try to become millionaires overnight.

I try to redress the balance by reviewing primarily European titles just to give the visitors at ADT a bit of variety. But I can only do so much with a limited budget and time.

So why don't you help us out here and post some of your own reviews. Finally, is there an European equivalent of ADT that primarily reviews Euro porn?

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 3:52PM
What types of European porn do you like?

Personally, I like a lot of the german movies that include bondage. I try to buy one or two every time I'm in Europe.

One of the reasons we can't get them at stores here in the US, is because movies that have both sex and bondage in them are still considered obscene (ie. illegal) in most of the United States.

Please review some!!!

 
Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - Apr 17 2002 : 4:07PM
Nearly all of the DBM labes (Tornado,Dolly Buster,Electra,etc) plus the Maximun perversum series are available here in NYC,the problem is %95 of those tiltles are VHS only,besides Hurricane tell me if I'm wrong the majority of those videos are about Fisting,right? ..(not,that there is anything wrong with that!), ...The only DBM video I have is DOPPEL-DECKER with Dolly Buster,kelly Trump,Donna Leroy (have you seen it??) ...besides when we talk about DBM we are talking mostly about GERMAN PORN,right? ...I see a lot of euro girls I like on those boxcovers but they have different names in those videos,have you seen the one where Venus is taking the fisting??
baronorca
Member

Montana
528 Posts
1/01
Posted - Apr 18 2002 : 10:18PM
xxx-imports.com for those of you that want real euro-porn(here in US). It's a little pricey ($40), but looks pretty good.
hurricane
Deactivated User

103 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 18 2002 : 10:24PM
Hello Tricia,

>What types of European porn do you like?

I like the recent Videorama material by Harry S Morgan, for example "Schwanzgeile Fickluder". Pretty girls, and a good mix of kinky action (anal, piss, lesbian, fisting).

DBM: Debora Coeur is always great, and I like the movies by SX Kowalski e.g. "No Limit" (nice lesbian anal play)

Sorry, I am not into the bondage/leather/masks stuff.

French guy
Member

335 Posts
9/01
Posted - Apr 18 2002 : 11:05PM
Well Hurricane, I have seen a few Euro porn and especially German porn (i.e maximum perversion). If you are into girls getting fisted and pissed on, well good for you but to say that Euro Porn is better than US one......

Private is boring to me. I'd rather see a good Buttman flick (BTW Buttman anal divas rocks !!!!! Good work John)
Mots of the Euro performers though doing extreme stuffs don't look like they are enjoying it (I still wonder what enjoyment a stunning 20 yo Czech beauty get from being pooed on ?)

Anyway, for having seeing porn from both sides of the Atlantic, I find US porn more innovative within the legal constraints they are imposed to and performers do seem to enjoy which is the most important in skin flicks, right ?

hurricane
Deactivated User

103 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 18 2002 : 11:57PM
Hello French guy,

Yes, I do like fisting scenes. It can be very erotic. See my "Dino / DBM " posting, featuring 10 top DBM videos. Videorama's "Maximum Perversum" series is also nice (sometimes!), while the "Faust Fucker" series is rather extreme.

Piss: doesn't do me anything. But as a short interlude it is certainly fun to see. Scat: no way.

US porn: I like Rocco, Christoph Clark, Tom Byron, JY LeCastel. Good stuff, but all rather basic (anal, dp). I haven't seen any US porn that matches the esthetic, stylish, decadent, bizar content of the best DBM or Videorama movies. If you know of such high class US porn, please enlighten me!!!

HoustonDon
Member

Houston
561 Posts
11/99
Posted - Apr 19 2002 : 11:28AM
Hurr, as another pointed out, most US consumers don't have access to PAL TV's or region 2 dvd players. I'm actually going to buy a regionless player with PAL/NTSC conversion capabilities later this year. So, rather than hear about video's (tapes=ewwwww), what are your favorite "euro-porn" dvds and why? Further, you never answered the reasonable questions regarding your statement that:
"[In my opinion "Euro" porn and European have as much in common as a French restaurant and a French Burger King.]"

PS: and why doesn't Private fall into this "euro-porn" grouping of yours, especially since they are hugely profitable and based in Europe?

hurricane
Deactivated User

103 Posts
4/02
Posted - Apr 19 2002 : 12:15PM
Hello HoustonDon,

Private: I don't like them. Not genuine porn, but slick (look at the covers, hardly a naked breast to see) and commercial. Clever marketing. They sell their products in malls and CD shops! Clear indication that they target the MTV-generation, couples, female students.

[I have one typical Private DVD in my collection: Superfuckers 1 by Pierre Woodman. Slick (trying to pleasing everybody and failing to do so). All quite average. The fetish scene is going nowhere, lesbian scene is weak, and the gangbang scene lacks good action and close-ups. Strangely the two "girly" scenes are okay.]

Companies like Videorama, DBM, Puaka make ZERO concession to the public. They will put a fisting scene in close-up on the cover, GREAT! Very hardcore, only available in porn shops and through mail order. That is the right attitude.

Gabriel Nine
Senior Member

Firecracker
1273 Posts
8/01
Posted - Apr 19 2002 : 1:01PM
Oh, where to begin?

Private not genuine porn? What is porn? Hardcore sex, by any reasonable definition. Haven't you been on here under another name about this? Anyway, your view on them is original, let's put it that way...

By the way, why do you keep referring to EUROPEAN producers (Clark, Rocco, Le Castel) as American?

Videorama DBM et al DO pander to the public - they give the punters they know will buy their videos exactly what they want. They ARE commercial in their own way - e.g. they know they would turn off HC fans like you if they put a "soft" cover on the movie. Their marketing tactics may not be as slick as Private's but you're living breathing proof that they work...

morian
Member

12 Posts
2/02
Posted - Apr 19 2002 : 10:29PM
i would be delighted to review some of euro-porn, but as i'm currently in the US, can't really review due to content of these DVD's. simply afraid of problems.freedom...
If i'll get back to europe, i will.
regards
/morian
EA and Private fan, but
i love trance and deeph, i detaste rap& hip-hop
i love magma and svnteen, i detaste vca&vivid.
no campaining:-)
hurricane
Deactivated User

103 Posts
4/02
Posted - May 7 2002 : 8:44PM
My very first posting (top of this thread) said it all.

Sbando Boy, Gabriel Nine and Astroknight, thanks for your support.

 
Saki
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2087 Posts
11/99
Posted - May 7 2002 : 10:27PM
Can we say "beating a dead horse"?

This site has so much U.S. content because the site is developed in the U.S., the majority of visitors are from the U.S., quite a bit of the world's porn is produced in the U.S., and the stores that pay commission are based in the U.S. and sell porn produced in the U.S.

Either you don't understand that, hurricane, or you're just trying to bring up your point, which has been acknowledged and commented on. Your pronouncement of the obvious is not going to change the focus of this site nor the visitors to this site.

If you feel so passionate about this issue, I encourage you to develop your own site and cover the content you feel is appropriate.

- Saki




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