Something I have been wondering about recently are stars who say the don't do anal or will never perform anal... To me that is like saying they don't do oral or won't do cumshots... Isn't adult film SUPPOSED to be someting people watch to enjoy fantasies they may not be getting at home? I mean EVERYONE has sex and acording to recent stats I have seen, over 60% of couples either have anal sex on a regular basis or have at least tried it... So why on earth would adult film even contract stars who won't perfom an incredibly erotic and COMMON act of sexuality... Shouldn't porn be "hot" and even at least a little taboo in every single scene??
Almost all the girl frinds I have do anal, from candid chats I have had with them, and two of them started at a very, VERY early age... If even teens these days are doing anal why are there even ANY adult stars working now who won't do this normal act?? This is not a shot at anyone in particular but I mean really, if there are stars who don't do anal in porn, they may as well be doing erotica like "Basic Instinct" and just stay out of porn...
I can think of two excellent reasons: 1) because they don't want to, and 2) because they don't have to.
Now, as to your statistics. Note that including those who have anal sex regularly with those who had it one time renders the 60% meaningless, since it could mean 1% do it regularly and 59% did it one time. As for your girl friends, they aren't a statistically relevant sample, so you really have no basis to say that anal is a normal sex act, other than the warped lens of porn itself.
Anal is IS normal and IS common from a lot of different sources I am aware of, including friends, statistical research (one by a local University), books and magazines, and by chat rooms and other relevant forums I am a part of including, yes, college forums... I have friends that are less prudish then many adult stars and it boggles my mind how some of these girls are attracted to porn when they have no sense of sexual adventure... Vaginal sex is commonly called "regular" sex these days and is just that... It's regular and it's boring to watch unless it's a buildup to hot anal sex...
I think whether a person likes it or doesn't like it is a personal choice... However, I just know it feels good, it is hot to watch and is just extremely exciting and a huge turn on in general... The girls I know who enjoy anal sex also enjoy it for the same reasons and I just think ANY porn without anal is somewhat of an oxymoron, and would be like porn without vaginal sex, or oral sex... Anal is just another part of good fun sex!
A troll in a porn forum?? How exactly is that even possible... Note I've been posting here for quite some time... That being said, I like anal sex, and I like to watch it... And something that is taboo does not equate to being abnormal... Taboo can mean kinky, or exciting, or a rush... Doesn't make it uncommon... Just something a little more spice then the "regular" everyday "average" sex...
Sorry, but rebutting with more anecdotes doesn't cut it. Cite some actual, non-anecdotal sources that have studied a broad sample of society, please.
Either that, or you can just say, "Fuck it. Anal's my fetish and I wish all the porn gals did it." It's not like we haven't heard that before. Hell, I not like I haven't said it before, lol. Just don't confuse your social circle with society in general, and don't believe it just 'cause you read it in a magazine and heard some people talking.
It's a bit more painful than vaginal and oral. People seem to forget that as these girls seem to slide on it like their asshole is a toboggan, but it fucking hurts, trust me. And you don't have to do an enema everytime you suck cock. Have you tried sticking 3 fingers in your asshole ? Or a cucumber ? Then slam it in & out really fast. Good fun sex ! Sharde, anal hurts, and that's why some girls refuse to do it.
I'd really be willing to bet that anal sex is A LOT more common in North America today then say something like a threeway... And yet anal sex is still a more taboo sexual act then something like that... I think just being taboo doesn't mean the act is less common though, or something I would say is less "normal" as in being a perfectly okay and erotic act, but a little more secretive between partners...
I've read a lot here on this forum about how many people want anal sex, and wait for their favorite stars to start perfoming anal sex... And how many threads there in "Star Crossed" about so and so's first anal... Or "Have so and so done anal yet" or "it was a good scene but there was no anal in it"... Just read em all... We all know they're there... I'm not the only one here that loves to watch anal sex...
Yes I have to admit in MY sex life I do experiment with anal stimluation and have had several objects in my ass during sex play... I know it feels good and wouldn't be so for it I think unless I really knew as well what the girls go through, cause I DO know what it feels like... I'm not trying to get people all ruffled up here... But I still don't understand how there can be so much porn out there without anal... I guess it's just me but I HONESTLY just don't get it...
By the way, Hardware... I believe that it can still be taboo and still quite common because of how exciting and thrilling the act is... And I do feel that even though it is still considered "taboo" as bondage etc may be... It is very common... I know it's common, in fact, I'm completely shocked at how common it is these days with girls talking about it and asking for it! But maybe it's just more common in Canada where I'm from and not quite so much in the more conservative USA... Believe me, I know it is common... But that doesn't make it less taboo or hot... I'm not trying to be scientific here nor mathematically precise with my wording... But I think readers of this forum thread know what I mean when I say it is incredibly erotic and taboo at the same time as being normal and "more" common now... I simply think its wierd how a lot of stars won't do it... And I won't watch those stars until they do... Glad DVD's have a skip and quick FF button...
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Posted - Sep 9 2005 : 3:09PM
The best sex research was done by Masters and Johnson and not by Alfred Kinsey, although their research is now dated. Masters was male and Johnson was female and they had a better sample of society than Kinsey. Regular anal sex between couples is rarer than people might think. Less than 20% of couples engage in regular anal intercourse in America. In Europe, where anal sex is less taboo and more acceptable, about 33% of couple have regular anal sex. In Brazil, more than 50% of couples have anal sex. In Asia, where anal sex is very taboo, less than 5% of couples there do anal. One interesting thing about Brazil is their festival called 'Carnival.' It's similar to our 'Mardi Gras.' In Brazil, the asses of women are emphazised and in America, tits are the big thing. It helps explain why American porn stars are more likely to have implants, European women less so and Brazilian women fewer still, and in Asia even less. In mainstream porn, anal sex became popular in the 1980's. It was always more popular in Europe than in America. Before, while not unheard of, it was rare and prosecutable in some jurisdictions. Currently, most European and Brazilian actresses perform anal sex, many American women do but certainly less so than their Eastern and Southern sisters. In Japanese and other Asian porn, it's still rare. It's one of those things an actress has to consider. It's a dilemma. Anal pays more than regular vaginal sex, and she will get more work if she will do anal sex. Some are pressured to do it and they really don't want to. Some will walk away from porn rather than submit to the insistance of porn producers and directors that they do 'A.' It's a decision that's not easy for them to make. Of course, some love anal and it's no problem but many have had bad experiences. Performed incorrectly, it's painful for them. Some are pressured into doing it, they aren't comfortable with it, and they regret it later on. Tera Patrick come to mind for me. On the Howard Stern Show, she admitted she does anal in her private life but won't do it on camera, except for one poorly filmed scene. She doesn't have to do it, although she has hinted she might consider doing anal on camera. I'll believe it when I see it.
There was a recent study done here in Canada at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver on college students and anal sex... I don't remeber the exact numbers and don't remember if the study asked how many have tried anal sex or how many perfrom on a regular basis but I believe there where several catagories like once a week and once a month etc... The numbers I remember shocked me when I seen them... They were quite high and around 60% as I recall... And only speaking from my personal life I know many, many student friends of mine who can't get enough anal sex and the ladies are more outspoken about the guys in that respect... Something also that has suprized me in the last year or so talking to friends and experimenting myself...
I just know I really like it and wish the makers of porn were a little more diligent in making strickly anal porn or vaginal porn... Being from Canada I have to order my vids through the mail and not all tiles will have reviews and I've been dissapointed many times by purchaces where I think I will get an anal scene from a star I like or want to see and get dissapointed by a dull scene with out anal... Which is why I try very hard now to only purchace titles that are strickly anal titles, but in doing that, I still miss a lot of good anal scenes that are mixed in with vag titles as well, which really dissapionts me...
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Posted - Sep 9 2005 : 3:48PM
I love anal, but I also believe that "normal" doesn't really exist. Everybody has tweaks, but will they admit it? A lot of the girls in this biz have tried it. You shouldn't have any problem finding attractive girls who do this. Pressuring pornstars into doing this may chase them away. Besides, a lot of girls who have been in the biz for a while tend to get a little wilder down the road. Just look at Jenna Loves Pain! Wait for it....
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Posted - Sep 9 2005 : 6:51PM
There is something to consider sharde. Studies done at universities use college students for test subjects. It's not a good cross-section of society. From what I understand, the younger generation of Japanese women are more likely to experiment with anal sex. Their grandmothers and mothers were and are much less tolerant of that sexual practice. Tradition dies slowly and I don't know if Asian cultures, who have always considered anal sex to be taboo, will be changed by the younger ladies of Japan having more anal sex. Apparently, since anal sex became popular, at least in porn, more men have prodded (pun intended) their women to try anal sex with them. Some women who watch porn with their men, probably see anal intercourse since many films have at least one anal scene in them, and many discuss it with their friends. They are sometimes surprised to learn a friend or two loves it. I have a copy of the original 'Caught From Behind' filmed in 1982 by Hal Freeman. There is a big disclaimer at the beginning of the movie that warns the viewer that anal sex scenes are contained and if the viewer is offended, don't watch it. It's amusing to say the least. Today, anal sex is common. It used to be a small, separate area in an adult book store but you see it everywhere today.
That is extremely well put and I guess I am talking about the younger demographic with what I know anyway... Many of those stats that you see may not be separating us younger generation from the baby boomers etc who I don't imagine would be having anal sex at all... Guess that's why it seems like so many young ladies are completely fine with anal these days... I hear about some that don't do it or wouldn't try it but am consistanly amazing to find out how many girls I know that really like it... And it's at least 50% of my close girls friends... Cool for me I guess... Maybe that means as time goes on there will really be fewer adult performers who say they won't do it because by the time they are of age to enter the industry many will have tried it already... Which seems to me will very soon be the case...
I think that says it all. Everyone should be free to decide where their own limit should be.
At this particular moment, my three favorite girls are Jesse Jane, Penny Flame and Brandy Talore. Jesse & Penny don't do anal, and to be honest, I haven't even noticed if Brandy has done anal. I don't think all porn fans feel anal should be included in every scene of every title. As long as a girl can bring some genuine heat to the screen, that's cool by me.
I'm not saying I don't like anal scenes, only that in my opinion, it's overdone these days. If I'm in the mood to watch it, I've got a hundred titles to choose from. (And that's just from this week's releases.)
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Posted - Sep 9 2005 : 8:22PM
You got that right! When I walk into my local porn stalls, I notice that virtually all box covers feature some girl doing anal. In the store nearest me, there isn't even a special section for anal - it is practically a requisite for any modern porn video. In this sense, society is far richer than it was decades ago.
Pardon me, but what you want and think does not matter.
The girls who do these acts call the shots.
You would find that many girls do painful and even degrading acts, because they need to eat and pay the rent. Maybe they dream that they may be the next Jenna, or Tera.Some may be easily intimidated by directors.
There is also the matter of anal tears and other permanent damage associated with anal sex. And infections associated with ATM and ATP. The male talent knows how to do anal correctly, but there is still damage. Well thats my rant for today. Peace.
My concern is when it appears their rippin away at it, far more ruthlessly than needed. Actually, I don't wanna step on any toes here, as I certainly know there's those who definitely like their anal, intense and rugged. I'm referring to those guys who pull their 8-9" dick out, a couple inches before ramming it back in, often causing the girl to drop the dick she's suckin, and turn around to cast pissed off expressions. Hell, anal porn is my cup a tea, but I'm thinkin to myself, "Geez, knock that shit off, shes a budding young star, one missed spearing could not only hurt like a mofo, but possibly terminate her willingness to do any more anal scenes in the future, you jackass!"
I haven't read most of the posts in this thread (too long!) but here's my answer:
1) anal doesn't feel good for everybody 2) with anal you are more liklely to contract disease...some girls don't want that added risk 3) some people are disgusted by anal, and believe it or not there IS a good sized market for regular vaginal sex porn 4) anal sex isn't a fantasy for everyone 5) besides, theres plenty of anal scenes and anal actresses for you to enjoy already 6) if you think all porn girls should be doing anal or stay out of the biz thats not much differnt than saying they all should be doing 7 way gangbangs or bukkakkes or scat....who draws the line on it? You? Don't you think its better that there are gradations of filthiness in porn girls?
Its freedom of choice. Yes, it is that simple. If a girl doesn't want to do anal she doesn't have to. Personally I enjoy watching anal scenes, but I don't like them when the girls are not enjoying it, and sometimes thats pretty obvious. They shouldn't feel obliged to do anal if they don't like it. Some male stars probably dont like anally penetrating the girls. Its their choice. MASAMUNE is right there are enough anal babes out there and more on the way. If you don't want to be a fan of a girl because she doesn't do anal don't watch her films.
If some girls don't want to do anal that's fine with me, but I won't buy their movies... most girls do anal eventually, and I think it's wise to get to learn the business a little and let that ass rise in value.
Considering lots of girls seem to enjoy double penetration for real it feels like girls not doing anal is just in it for the money and not for the sex at all, if they are the crazed sex junkies we think they are, then what can beat getting dicks in every hole?
Once again I will say why should girls in porn who have said they don't like anal sex and are not turned on by it and don't even do it off camera "HAVE TO DO IT " just to make you happy even girls in porn have limits as to what they will do and I respect them for not doing something they don't like at all just because you think they should have to or get out of porn.
- Of course "any" girl should not feel that they "have" to do something they don't wanna do, it's common sense...
- Although as a big consumer of porn I think it's very frustrating to see some hardcore scenes without anal, if you're really into it, like me, it's almost like a rippoff.
- It's really annoying because most of the time it's the "best" looking girl that don't do anal, so Yeah it peace me off !
- If you wanna do "porn" you can at least afford to get fuck in the ass, it's not like we're asking for a double anal...
- For me (only for me it's not a judgment) I think a scene without anal is like a good steak without salt or spice, something is missing....
- Of course "any" girl should not feel that they "have" to do something they don't wanna do, it's common sense...
- Although as a big consumer of porn I think it's very frustrating to see some hardcore scenes without anal, if you're really into it, like me, it's almost like a rippoff.
- It's really annoying because most of the time it's the "best" looking girl that don't do anal, so Yeah it peace me off !
- If you wanna do "porn" you can at least afford to get fuck in the ass, it's not like we're asking for a double anal...
- For me (only for me it's not a judgment) I think a scene without anal is like a good steak without salt or spice, something is missing....
Thanks for deciding for me what I want to see in an adult film. I was tired of having to decide what my sexual fetishes were.
Okay, sarcasm aside, adult films are sexual fantasies, but not everyone wants all anal sexual fantasies. Believe it or not some viewers can find a nicely done vaginal scene to be hot and erotic. It's too bad that some viewers have decided that since their fetishes include anal sex it has to exist in every scene in every film or they feel ripped off. Maybe they should stick to just anal titles and allow other viewers some variety in their scenes. Hell I've watched some blow job only scenes that were hot, and had no vaginal or anal sex.
I have no problem with adult stars who don't want to do anal sex. There is a huge gap between erotica as Basic Instinct and anal sex on film. Don't you think there should be something in this gap? Otherwise you risk anal sex becoming too common and some other viewer deciding that they don't feel it should be in adult films anymore because everyone is doing it so it isn't taboo enough for them. The cycle never stops.
I wish people would stop trying to force their preferences on everyone else. Maybe you should talk with Arthur. He wants male to male action in every scene since that is his fetish. If we allow you to have anal sex in every scene then we should give in to him as well and put male to male action in every scene as well. That would give you at the least a little taboo in every single scene.
From my experience not everyone is having anal sex regularly or even frequently. Some people are other are not. Of course your numbers are obviously a better view since you got them from esteemed sources such as internet forums, where we no that nobody lies and colleges, where nobody lies either. That being said, if it is as common as you feel than it isn't a taboo act. It is only taboo if it isn't common or talked about.
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Posted - Sep 10 2005 : 11:12PM
On subject but kind of off subject, I know a couple of buddies who will ONLY watch porn with no anal. Granted there's like 2, but hey, my point is we all have tastes and knocking a girls decision to NOT do porn is wrong - plain and simple the way I see it.
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Posted - Sep 11 2005 : 12:22AM
I think the author of this thread should construct a list of pornstars that don't do anal for the people out there that want to avoid their movies.
Or for the people who don't like anal, so they know which ones to buy
I am with Flash on this one, hell, I've seen handjob scenes where the girl didn't even get naked which were hotter than lots of gonzo movies I have seen.
Even though I love da female ass in general, I usually don't like porn that doesn't have anal. When a scene ends without anal I feel cheated -especially if da who'e got a phat ol' ass.
I can tolerate a new hot chick only givin' up da pussy if she's phat and fiyah, but after a couple of debut scenes I don't give a fuck about seeing her again 'til she let's somebody get up in dat ass. Case in point: Ice La Fox Simone Promise Kayla Marie Nautica Thorn Lili Thai Nyla Thai Angel Eyes Lacey Duvalle Paolo Rey Tyra Banxxx Megan Martinez Daisy Gina Lynn Sara Jay Victoria
When I see these names in da cast I know I'm not gonna get my nut -so I leave it on da shelf.
I also rather a chick not do an anal scene if she can't take dick in her ass like she can her pussy. I call it "clinical anal" when da girl starts runnin' from da dick when only the tip is in her ass. Or she's pushin' the guy away the whole time or any other visible signs of resistance.
(And, before somebody tries to be Captain Save-A-Who'e up in here. I don't mean that I don't care for the girls humanity. I know it's hard work. I'm talkin' 'bout the character she's portraying. I paid good money to see you get fucked in da ass like the studio claimed. You fuckin' wit' my money. Get dem hands out the way and let dude wax dat ass. If you didn't wanna get fucked, why'd you come here?)
Porn is me watchin' my fantasy. And, in my fantasies I'm balls deep in Halle Berry's, Ice La Fox',Beyonce's, and etc. asshole -straight turnin'em out for anal.
Fellows, y'all know dat "Veni, Vidi, Vici" moment when you finally fuckin' a chick like you been wanting to and you turning da tables on dat ass after you had to play all her lil' games and she gets dat wild look in her eyes and starts talkin' shit and beckoning you to tear dat shit up. That's how I want my porn to look.
You're right about the Punic Wars ending long before the time of the Caesars. But damn, can't a brotha get some artistic license up in here? That was some good shit I was puttin' down, homie.
I'd hate to go to da movies wit' you sittin' behind me. It'd be like, "Why they call it Jurassic Park, the dinosaurs didn't live during the Jurassic Age." Work wit' me, brotha. Work wit' me. Just fuckin' wit' ya, Hardware.
Well, you could say 'Hit that ass like Caesar hit Gaul,' you know. But, hey, if you really want one, artistic licenses are $100 apiece. Just send the money to hardware, c/o AdultDVDTalk...
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Posted - Sep 11 2005 : 8:25PM
Well, I wish, EVERYONE really had sex... unfortunately that statement is definitely false. And I don't get it how there has to be anal in almost every scene. Maybe it's just me, but anal is really not all that hot to me. I mean about 90% of nature's beauty is concentrated in the human female vulva*, so if I have a choice I know what it'd be. I admire adult performers who don't do it because they don't enjoy it. That makes their enjoyment for the things they do much more credible. Some of the hottest girls don't do anal or don't do it very often. I see no problem in that. Just avoid their movies, there are really enough others who do perform anal, though many probably don't enjoy it that much. I don't think your girlfriends get pounded like that by 10" cocks.
*According to a study building up in my balls in a time zone near yours, unreleased yet, but definitely a blast when it comes out.
What is sexy about a girl moaning "yes, yes, fuck my ass" with tears leaking from her eyes and a facial expression of intense pain? Unless you are really into girls being hurt? Unfortunately there are "fans" like that out in porn-land. Sad.
My complaint isn't whether a chick does anal, some cannot. My complaint is unispired, passionless, not Oscar worthy sex. I pruchase movies based on who's in them and whether the sex is top notch. I am SaraJayFan. Does Sara Jay do anal? No, she cannot. Does that detract from her standing as an actress? Not in my eyes. Does Olivia O'Lovely do anal? Yes, she does. Does she do it in every scene? Nope. Does that detract from her standin as an actress? Are you nuts?
Nat Turnher's "Big Booty Revenge" is coming out in only a few days. The movie is full of phat asses (including Sara Jay's and Olivia's) gettin' plowed by some awesome studs. Any anal? Nope. Is it going to sell? I've already ordered mine.
Man, what an idiotic fucking thread. This thing was answered right off the bat.
Plain and fucking simple.
It’s a matter of freedom of choice. All this talk about whether anal sex is common place or not is totally fucking pointless and irrelevant. Girls have the freedom to choose whether or not they're going to take a big fucking cock up the ass no matter how many people are doing it. No body’s holding gun to their head making them do it… just like no body’s holding a gun to your head making you watch them not do it. If you don’t like it then exercise your freedom of choice and fucking go watch something else. There are way more anal sex movies out there than you can shake a dick at. Believe me, I’ve tried.
That’s bullshit. Most of the best looking girls in porn I can think of all do mad anal. Rita Faltoyano, Angel Dark, and Michelle Wild to name a few of my personal favs. Hot girls who don’t do anal seem to be a narrow minority, not the majority.
The point I'm trying to make is, who gives a fucking shit if you don’t like girls who don’t do anal? There are plenty of hot ass sexy bitches out there who take yards of cock up the ass so there's no fucking reason why you should have any fucking problem with the ones that don’t.
A few posts back someone intimated that they would deny a girl a contract if she didnt do anal. I disagree with that statement. If anything, more money should be offered to her for consideration to do anal. If that isnt happening now ladies, I would S.T.O.P with the anal and Unionize.. ;)
I like anal, I aint against it (men or women) but for women in the industry it should never be forced upon them. If I am watching a movie where the girl knows how to fuck and be fucked and is into sucking cock and swallowing cum, I aint even thinking about her doing anal.. but ladies, PLEASE..if you're gonna do it... make sure you have practiced it beforehand.. watching anyone "wince" during anal (men or women) is a turn off. I recall an interview with Belladonna where she said it took her almost a year to get to how she does anal now.
It isn't forced upon them but anal is a major part of the industry. So if they don't do it that's a lot of work that they're missing out on.
The nature of the skin biz is that the female performers tend to progress through a variety of fetish genres. Girls tend to get 'shot out' in a genre and stop getting calls for work in that area. Even if you're Tiffany Mynx there are only so many anal movies you can do in a row before the GP gets tired of seeing you 'in everything.' So girls can either adapt and perform in another genre, take a long break hoping for demand to come back or move on to a different career.