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but have no fear because soon there will be a nice release out called Big Black Wet Asses . not exactly the crossover that should be out there, but might be a nice start. until this is released I'll be wanting for Buttman's Ultimate Ass Shake video. surprised he just didn't go nuts when the Thong Song came out, but who knows ...

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He likes blondes the best - so that explains why he shoots so many Euro girls.

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I love breasts. on every woman you can imagine. not just white or latin or black. on EVERY woman or EVERY color and shade. I still love his work, but I think you should take your hubby into the ghetto and let him look at the asses there. then again he might never leave

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How did my response not deal with this? You seem to think of Buttman as a company or a financial entity. When in fact, Buttman wouldn't exist without John shooting what he likes. Buttman IS John when he's shooting gonzo porn. So I gave an example of what John likes.
You want more details? OK - here's his top 2 preferences: blond Europeans and Brazilian girls.

I think people need to start thinking of him as a person. John doesn't need the money from this business. He shoots what he wants, and when he no longer has fun, he won't be doing it anymore.
So my request would be for people to stop asking him to shoot stuff that he doesn't feel like shooting.

You're a lucky man to be able to say that you like breasts of all women. I'm too picky, and therefore I find women who truly turn me on to be few and far between. But when I find the few who do push my right buttons, I'm a very happy girl.

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After all, I'm a brunette.

To clarify a bit, John shoots maybe 10 sex scenes a year these days... maybe.

Since he doesn't get to shoot very many scenes, he wants to optimize his time behind the camera shooting the girls who are the top 10 on his list.

Monique has been on that list for a very long time, and he was finally able to book her on Fashionistas. But other than that, his 'top 10 girls of the moment' usually have a certain 'elegant but nasty' attitude and look.

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yes, I saw Monique has in "the Fashionistas" and it is probably my favorite film outside of "Taboo." so good in fact that I listened to the audio commentary and didn't sound like he was too interested in hiring Monique on as a feature performer. while I could be wrong on that one issue. the much larger on remains as to why we have not see Buttman feature with all black women in it. show me the numbers where it says that won't be a HUGE movie.

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Lex,Marcus,Sean,Pumper,Slayer and them for not producing them!

But I just can't believe there are no good titles out there.

What about Black Reign for example?

I personally don't expect "white" Evil Angel directors to step up to the plate if they don't dig "black" women it isn't going to happen! same shit happens in Hollywood and most fields of entertainment if you don't like the look of a certain person you are not going to hire them for YOUR flick!

The only white director I know of that really seems like black women is Nicky Starks and you can tell by his work.

But its different strokes for different folks I guess

Personally I will always love "black porn" because I love black women, it's a no brainer

Maybe If we ask Tricia Devereaux nicely she can ask

Justin Slayer/Mr Marcus to produce a High quality All Black women project

i.e classy settings and classy make up and clothes and top casting

I see, like a lot of my black and white friends a gap in the market but unfortunately I haven't got the balls or the talent/technical skills to make a porn flick

Bye for now

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Anyway.......
Justin and Nevaquit and the crew over at JSP are working on something just like this. Kind of like Phatty Girls, but with even harder sex.
And unfortunately, I don't run into Marcus much lately. IMHO, he's the sexiest man in this business who doesn't already direct for Evil Angel. :)

I think there is a market for the kind of tape that LAN was talking about. But in order to be done well, it's going to need to be shot by people who understand and want to shoot beautiful hot black women.

No offense to my husband, but somehow I think that a girl like Carmen who is very sexy is going to look a whole lot more turned on in front of Justin Slayer's or Marcus' camera than in front of John's camera.

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Buttman occasionally shoots black women. Buttman is one of those guys who shoots who he likes. That is probably why he rarely puts out a bad film. I pretty sure he doesn't keep up with black porn starlets who can do what he likes. Even I have to admit that alot of the very best looking black porn starlets don't seem to be into the kind hard kinky sex put out by the Evil Angel crew. The European and Brazilian girls he uses definitely do. Hell, I mostly own Buttman flicks with European and Brazilian girls. He does do some nice scenes with girls of those particular nationalities.

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I respect his work and a majority of my collection is from Evil Angel ... however, as was said in a previous thread it took J.Lo to break loose before a majority of white dudes in the country thought an ass was acceptable on a woman. now Buttman doing an all black woman ass film just might do the same thing in the adult industry. maybe I didn't accurately or adequately explain this all before but that was the dead serious point.

he's the master of ass and I want to see him take the ropes on this one, and then see what happens and who else follows. why am I always left debating this topic alone I didn't start this thread

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By the way, maybe Jules or John can check out Marie Luv. That girl seems to be getting hardcore. She is hot from head to toe. She looks good in fishnet and just about any clothes she is dressed in. She looks good out of clothes. Her body is slim with a big, round posterior. Her face is angelic. She has small, natural breasts and a sexy voice. If there was a black girl out there that would look perfect in an Evil Angel production at this point in time, she would be it IMO. If she doesn't turn John or Jules on, I would be real surprised.

Click here

Above is a link to some pictures of her. She is super hot and seems to be on her way to being a super freak.

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One of the things that separates Evil Angel from the pack is the fact that the directors can shoot who they want to shoot. They aren't confined to shooting who's "hot" according to AVN or some Internet forum (like this one ). That's great insofar as the quality of their product goes, but it does mean some of our favorite ladies are given a miss. Still, would you really want the directors to compromise their passion so you could see "your" gal? That might sound attractive at first blush but consider that would open the floodgates for everybody else demanding "their" gal be next. The end result could well be that their labors of love become replaced with more of the same lifeless products coming out of some other studios (who shall remain nameless). I'd rather not see that happen.

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I was really nervous even answering this topic because this type of topic can so easily be misunderstood.

Anyway, I can't wait to see Justin's new line. And anything that Michael Stefano would do too.

To be completely honest, and I've said this a bunch of times before, I don't search out product with titles like "Blondes Who Suck Cock" or "Little Hot Asian Girls" or "Brunettes do it Better" or "Ebony Princesses", just like I'm not into titles like "Every Scene in This Tape is Exactly the Same Sex Act - 5 Different Times!".
I like watching good sex. Show me an attractive woman with an attractive man, capture that they are in to each other while they have hot sex, and I'm a happy porn viewer!

Now that you guys have asked how good Justin or John or Marcus or Mike could capture a beautiful black woman, how about asking Vanessa the same question?

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Stagliano gets respect because I know he has shot black women before. If he sees an attractive black girl whi can give him what he wants on camera, he'll shoot her. At least that is the feel I get from watching his films over the years all the way back when he first started out.

If Stagliano went out of his way to avoid shooting black women or didn't find any black women attractive or didn't cast any black men, then I might have a different opinion. I feel like Evil Angel uses the people who give them the kind of sexual performance they want.

Too many exceptions to brand the Evil Angel team of directors like Digital Playground. As far as I'm concerned, Stagliano is the man. He made the best porn I've ever watched and now runs a top notch company putting out high quality, kinky porn. I love them Brazilian and European girls as well.

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When you're competing against gorgeous European women who seem to be able to take anal like its straight sex, it makes it more difficult to gain status. With these hot European women, even white American women have trouble rising up as a star if they aren't going to get nasty. Sure you have Jenna, but she is an exception. Ginger Lynn was one of the biggest back in the day, she did lots kink.

One of the most marketable black stars like Lacey will not let that ass be touched. There are a pile of drop dead gorgeous black women being shot by WCP, but they do a scene and move on. They don't want to escalate into the harder sex. Alot of the black women who have done harder sex have made good careers like Kitten, Janet Jacme, Monique, and India. They have pretty good followings for fans of black women. They are attractive women with nice bodies.

I feel like the bar has been raised. Many European women are out of sight as far as looks go (they look like models...I can't even believe some of these women are doing porn) and they are nasty as hell. Off the top my head, I would say Lacey Duvalle and Marie Luv are comparatively as pretty as many of these women, but they are definitely not bringing the nasty sex like these women (Marie seems on her way though). I would even go so far as to say that many of the European women are probably some of the most physically attractive women to ever enter porn, white, black, or any other group. Even the few black European women that have come into porn were unbelievably hot and nasty like Bettina and Bagheera.

What I am trying to get at is that if American black women are going to compete against the plethora of European women coming into porn, their going to need to be as a pretty as Lacey and as nasty as Monique. That's a hard combination to find.

European women raised the bar on being beautiful and nasty in porn. That is the damn truth.

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It just makes sense that John (and all directors) would shoot what they find attractive or erotic. I also wish there were more Black porn - but like Tricia, I tend to avoid the titles that are all one thing or another...I'd just like to see the beautiful Black performers like Lacey, Vanessa, India, Dee, etc working more in whatever
videos.

However, to say that Black women don't get as "nasty" or "kinky" as Europeans is a little off the mark. The statement forgets that those are subjective terms reliant on personal tastes.

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An example: Today I've looked on newsensations.com and saw a new line from director Tyron Shuz called Dippin' Chocolate with really beautiful black girls like Stacey Sweet, Cameron Hayes or Erika Kane being fucked from white guys. But on the backcover there's no hint that there is anal sex in one of the 5 scenes. That's the main problem IMHO why there is so little good black female porn out. The good directors want to shoot the hottest and nastiest sex they can get for their money and shoot the girls who give them the best performances and do all the nasty things.

If the black girls are as nasty as the others then they are in those movies, for example Ayana Angel in Jules Flesh Hunter #6 and Jada Fire/Vanessa Blue in the upcoming Ass Worship #6.

But maybe this change soon. When I look on the newer black talent like Mya Mason or Nautica Binx, is seems they are more and more into the nasty sex. And the two newcomers Sydnee Capri and Marie Luv both did their 1st dp in the upcoming Gangland White Boy Stomp #15 from Devils Film.

If this trend continues then I'm pretty sure that we will see the black women together with white or Asian girls in really hot and good gonzo movies in the near future.

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Most Black porn is not even being produced by Black people.
Maybe that contributes to the lack of quality productions out there.

I have set out from day one to change the negative image of Black porn.

I am surprised that more people have not seen my titles.

Please go out and watch Alexander DeVoe videos!!!

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I watch black on black porn all the time and have quite a bit in my collection. I definitely don't think it all sucks. Red Light District puts out a series called Black on Black that is good and hardcore. I don't know what ethnicity the director of that line is, but the series is good.

The worst producer of black on black on porn is Video Team IMO. I don't really understand why they are so popular. I bought three of their My Baby Got Back films for specific girls (Velvet Rose, Mercury Orbitz, and Courtney Devine) doing anal and dp. The scenes were whack. The male performers did not fuck the shit out of those girls proper and it made the scenes boring.

Compare the anal scene Mercury Orbitz does with Justin Slayer in Booty Juice and the anal scene Byron Long does with Mercury in My Baby Got Back 31 , night and day difference in the intenstiy of the scene. I watch the Booty Juice scene quite often, but hardly ever watch the My Baby Got Back scene. The directors over at Video Team don't seem to encourage their male performers to fuck them girls proper. I get bored watching the scenes.

WCP's material is often too tame. I still haven't picked up your Black Ass Candy series yet. Maybe that is more hardcore anal like I like. I did recently watch a WCP scene where Nautica Binx was DPed. That was a good scene. I can't remember the series because I watched it on WCP's website.

I do check out WCP for movies I like. I do like the way you shoot. I would defintely like to see you do something with black women with strong anal tease, toys, and fucking with all the hot black girls you put in Black and Nasty .

By the way, get Marie Luv doing anal in Black Ass Candy and you get my money, guaranteed. Marie Luv brings the fire in her scenes, at least the ones I have seen. She is on my collect list. One of the most beautiful black girls on the scene right now and fire hot.

I'm going to check out the Black Ass Candy series. Looks like what I like. There are four things that make me buy a movie in order of importance:

1. The right women: I collect material with certain porn stars. I'll almost always give a movie a shot if the right girl is in it.

2. Type of Sex: The girl usually has to be doing anal, dp, or some other type of hardcore sex. I can get regular sex from attractive women. That doesn't interest me too much. I might rent a movie to check out a new girl, but don't often buy a new girl doing regular sex.

3. Director/Company Reputution: I'll buy anything from Evil Angel with a girl I like in it. They put out top notch movies. Everything I have purchased from Evil Angel has been good. I sometimes buy an Evil Angel film if I see a girl on the cover I like. I rent Evil Angel all the time. They put out top notch films with hardcore sex. You can't go wrong with that company with just about any of their directors. Private is almost the same way, but dropped off a bit on some of their films.

I might rent a Video Team movie. I feel like I was burned three times on the My Baby Got Back series. They have the girls and they are doing the sex acts I like, but the intensity of the male performers in their videos is lacking. That ruins the scenes. I've seen these same guys shoot for other companies bring it stronger. In a few Red Light movies, I've seen Julian St. Jox bring it strong. I can only believe the directors at Red Light make sure the male talent brings it with them to the set. I don't feel like Video Team does the same.

I definitely look at the director and company as a sign of the quality of the film. WCP is towards the top of the middle of the pack IMO, but needs to get harder core.

I do think you shoot well. The only reason I haven't picked up a Black Ass Candy yet is you haven't shot a girl that I'm really into right now in the series. No Courtney Devine, Marie Luv, Velvet Rose, or Mercury Orbitz. Soon as you get some of these girls getting hard fucked anally in the series, I purchase a copy.

4. Male Talent: There are certain guys that you know will bring it in every scene. If I see them in the movie with a girl I like, I know the scene is going to be intense.

The male talent is important. Gotta have guys who really bring it otherwise the scene will really lack. I know you make sure the male talent brings it, but I'm stating this for those directors and companies who think the male talent doesn't matter.

That about sums up my opinions. I don't shy away from black on black porn and I'm not black. I don't care what color the guy doing the fucking is as long as its a girl I like and he brings it so the scene isn't dull.

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It's a great lineup with plenty of dirty talk and all of my girls are charged up and in positions of total dominance over every dick in the room! No flat-backing in my videos, I promise!
Vanessa

here's a link to the backof the box
Black Reign#3

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- Marie Luv
- Stacy Cash
- Destiny DeVille
- Candice Jackson
- Louisa Rosso
- Luccia

Especially Marie Luv is so unbelievable hot, I can't get enough of her. Is she doing anal in this movie?

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Candice Jackson
Jada Fire
Ayana Angel
Persia
Skyy

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There is no anal in BR4 and it's got more of a lingerie, "pretty girl riding the dick" type of feel. I liked the video but BR3 is more of my baby than BR4 since honestly most of the girls in this flick are generally passive performers. Wth the exception of the last 2 scenes those are more aggressive and Destiny Deville has to be the hottest chick in this video by a landslide. I've never shot a girl that laughed at Lex duirng the scene and survived.......
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I think Black Reign #3 is better for my tastes than #4, because there's anal in it, and you described that the female performers are more aggressive in this one, and that's something I like very much. I don't like it, when the girls are too passive.

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