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All Forums > The Porn Pool > The Porn Pool Forum Page 803 > All porn is is recorded sex
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ILMR
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 12:36AM
Ok Yogagrrl. You brought this up then dropped it. Did you mean that you disagree with my statement that "In its essence, all porn is is recorded sex"?
Saki
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 1:00AM
So, two questions:

1. Did this need to become a new topic?
2. Could this have been done through e-mail?


- Saki

ILMR
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 1:37AM
1. I thought it did because a discussion of the nature, or essence, of porn is different from a discussion of the porn industry's target audiences.
2. My query to YG was not of a "clarification of semantics" nature, but of a "you sound like you have something to say but think it might not be germane to the thread, so let's discuss it somewhere else" nature.
Evil_Rip
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 1:47AM
Please restate the question, so that old men like Evil can understand what you're talking about and maybe participate in the thread.
YogaGrrl
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 10:49AM
My perception is that porn, even in its essence, is more than recorded sex. I think that porn is also an expression of the director's artistic vision. It differs from mere documentary because of the editing and narrative choices made by the director. Even gonzo often has a storyline, though not a conventional one. This is something John Stagliano discusses in his interview at RogReviews.

A couple of adult movie directors have been kind enough to correspond with me, via private e-mail, regarding the "If Porn Is for Men" thread. Their messages have been most positive and encouraging. Much to my amazement, one of them was even moved to ask me for a little input concerning an editing issue on a DVD that's currently in production. I don't think this happened because my opinion is in any way special (or rather, not any more special than anyone else's opinion here). Instead, I think it demonstrates that some studio representatives are indeed very open and responsive to the feedback of their viewers. They do pay attention, and they do try to incorporate our suggestions, insofar as they mesh with the director's vision. I am deeply respectful of that creative process, and I am truly grateful for the ongoing exchange of ideas that supports it.

 
ILMR
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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 6:00PM
YG,
It's so great to hear of your interaction with those directors.

When I speak of porn's essence, I speak of the trait that unites all porn: videos, magazines, jpegs, etc. Everything from a tape sent to Homegrown Video to the latest Micheal Ninn masterbapiece has the trait of being recorded. Tapes sent to Homegrown Video by couples with camcorders don't have directors, yet they are still porn. I guess you thought I meant that "porn can be nothing more than mere recorded sex."

The further question I was illustrating with the above idea was that if porn is recorded sex, why do so many women who like sex are either disgusted by porn or don't even want to try it? I asked a great question that no one really tackled head on: "What do you think a videotape of you and your partner having sex would look like to someone who didn't know you? How would it be different from porn?"

Scroll down to the middle of this report to find a necessary adjunct to this whole "men are more visually stimulated" discussion. ("Does this mean that women are unresponsive to porn?")

So I guess this was a semantic misunderstanding. Sorry Saki.

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Posted - Jul 29 2002 : 9:36PM
Porn is a broad genre that is far more than recorded sex. Once scripting, sets, camera angles, direction etc are brought in it becomes an art form of sorts. Gonzo probably comes to closest to your statement of recorded sex, but even gonzo films are scripted to some extent and include the camera angles and direction as well.
If porn was just recorded sex there would be no need for ADT, RAME, IAFD etc. Since adult films are movies, which is far more than just recorded sex these sites exist to allow one to find the movies that best fit their needs.
dumblonde
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Posted - Jul 30 2002 : 1:09AM
" I asked a great question that no one really tackled head on: "What do you think a videotape of you and your partner having sex would look like to someone who didn't know you? How would it be different from porn?"

I'll try to tackle this one, ILMR. I do have a videotape or two like you mentioned. One involved the willing participation of another couple, and in that video, so much depravity ensues that I'd rather not talk about it. Someone who didn't know us would probably think that we were in need of some sort of psychiatric care as well as an air compressor.

In another tape they would see a poorly recorded but unscripted sexual encounter between a couple who are so turned on by each other that they quickly forget about about the camera.
They will NOT hear her screaming her head off as soon as he penetrates her. If they listen closely they will hear the sounds of their breathing, and furtive whispers. They might hear increasingly wet sounds, occasional moans and groans, a little dirty talk, and breathing that gets more audible. They would see eye contact between them, even smiles, as they get off by pleasing the other. If they zoom in on her face they would see her getting flushed, and a look of concentration as she feels the urge to come. They would see him watching her intently, loving how much she responds to him. They will soon see her body grow taut and her legs start to tremble, a look of ecstasy on her face. Clearly, she is not faking it, they can see how turned on he gets when he feels her throbbing all over his cock. They might need to turn the sound down at this point.

After this, they will probably want to fast forward to the cumshot. He looks like he's ready to blow. WTF? He's not pulling out and running up to her face to masturbate! He keeps pumping her, a look of ecstasy on his face.
They might not wanna SEE his face, and they might be pissed that he's not 'decorating' hers, but if they zoom in, they can see his cum starting to run down her thighs..

He's a good looking guy they've never seen before nor will again, because he lacks the freakishly large dick required for porn.
She has natural 36B breasts, a girl-next-door look, only one small tattoo, and doesn't apply her makeup with a trowel. They will never see her in porn either.

They didn't do it for money, fame, or attention, nor do they have to think about camera angles, a director yelling 'cut', or trying to keep him hard in between 'takes.'

This is how it differs from porn from my perspective.

ILMR
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Posted - Jul 30 2002 : 2:08AM
DB, surely your anonymity is intact enough for you to share your depravity. Remember who your audience here is: perverts, sexual intelligentsia and lustful libertarians. Whatever weirdness, oddity, or kink you may have, someone else here has it, and the rest of us know better than to judge you for it.

Your second description of your homemade tape was beautiful. Are you sure your lover didn't make an unknown copy of that tape, though? Because I'm sure I've seen it. Perhaps here.
Or perhaps in this tape.
Could it have been in one of thse videos?
Maybe he sent it to these producers?

There are
so many videos that fit your description that I can't narrow it down. I sure hope your lover didn't send that tape to these guys, because they're definitely fakes.

dumblonde
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Posted - Jul 30 2002 : 3:46AM
Absolutely I'm sure. There is only the one copy, and it wasn't made with the idea of ever seeing the light of day, let alone being mass-marketed. It's private.

That's not to say that 100% of 'amateur' tapes are shot by pornographer wannabes or with people who aspire to porn stardom, but from the ones I've seen, I'd say that most of them are made with this in mind. I'd love to see some that aren't, but with so many of these flooding the market, it's hard to know which ones are any good.

So, I'd agree most porn of course is 'recorded sex', but most of it is scheduled, scripted in that it must contain A, B & C, or whatever the latest trends are, thought given to camera angles, time limit constraints for each position, etc etc. Perhaps I'm missing the point?

As far as revealing any perversions or kinks, that was partly tongue-in-cheek, as the 'other couple' were of the inflatable persuasion. I will say that things got a little out of hand, a little too rough, and the other female wasn't up to the task. Sadly, she was never the same after that, another one-time performer.

YogaGrrl
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Posted - Jul 30 2002 : 10:44AM
LMAO! Dumblonde, I hope you gave her a proper memorial service.

We bid adieu to the lady so fair;
She was such a gas, but full of air.
In the end, her twat
Was totally flat;
Her life of pleasure too much to bear!




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