Edited by - masamune on 2/28/2005 3:45:22 PM

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that what you want?

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Edited by - MrMire on 2/28/2005 4:02:01 PM

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its a good movie too and i think a bit under-rated in the review section 4 1/2 stars for me

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Too many times you see beautiful girls - who've done the decent thing and given us the opportunity to see their lovely assholes being fucked :) - there for the gaping and what happens? The director/male actor/the camerman fail to seize the opportunity at hand properly by giving us proper shots of their assholes nicely opened up/gaping following the fucking.

The best gapes often seem to be achieved when the girl involved is directed to spread her ass cheeks as wide as possible with her own hands before and while the gaping action takes place. Maybe this trick could be used more often!

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The way of spreading the girls ass with her hands could be developed into some nice forms of anal play. Why are the girls so seldom involved when it gets to anal stretching. I would recommend more involvement of the girls when it comes to gaping!

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We've had plenty of threads with the "more gape, less gape, no gape" discussions. So ... it really boils down to reading reviews and doing some research to find those titles that satisfy what you want to see in a movie. Discovering a reviewer that has the same taste helps too.

But, to imply that there is 'one appropriate' way to shoot the gape, or that directors are "... just too stupid to capture gaping asses in an appropriate way ..." is a little over the top. Sure, it may not be shot the way that turns your crank , but to call them stupid?

One of the marvelous things about the porn industry and world is the tremendous amount of variety that is available. I wouldn't want to see porn all shot to the same 'formula'. That is copy cat, and cookie cutter porn and becomes boring pretty quick.

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In most flicks there's a rush to Sport Fucking, to DPs. I'd really appreciate it if the DPs were only 10 minutes than 30 minutes long, but you'd get nicer more relaxed anal preperation and accomodation time for the partners.

Thats what I meant. If you get good gapes and most of all long gapes as a result or in the course thats fine, thats really fine.

What I really miss, is a HARD but relaxed anal themed flick. Something with a comfy feel to it. It's hard to describe, but I hope you unterstand what I mean.

Edited by - MrMire on 2/28/2005 6:37:21 PM

Edited by - MrMire on 2/28/2005 6:50:24 PM

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What I am missing is anal porn, which gives anal sex more time to unfold. It still can AND should be as graphic as it can get.

But as 'Loraine' has correctly added, there is only rough and fast paced anal porn on the market.
Nothing that has a relaxed feel to it, damn. And I don't want 'couple porn', 'cause that is just a synonym for boring.

I want porn, hard porn. But with a slower pace. Take a look at some the early Euro Hardball flicks by Christoph Clark. He was friendly to the girls and tried to build up the scene with slow and cautious anal play. Afterwards it was hard gonzo, but at the beginning of a scene he was careful, gentle and relaxed. Christoph seemed sophisticated; Jules Jordan is one of the few that come in my mind, when I think of sophistication today.

In recent circus act porn, five guys come into a room and seal the girl airtight, before she was even able to say something. All the nice pre-sex talk and the process of anal stretching and pussy play is cut or not even filmed.
Instead, you get 35 minutes of close up DP, where you often cannot see the girls face. Sometimes you are not even able to differ which guy has his dick in which hole. Often guys just look like fucking a piece of meat. And in my opinion, that's not the way it should be.

I would really appreciate, if porn could filmed a little more women friendly. Which doesn't mean it can't be hard or graphic or whatever, just a little bit more relaxed.

And gapes should be filmed longer and more graphic, that's for sure. :-D

Edited by - MrMire on 3/1/2005 12:46:05 PM

Edited by - MrMire on 3/1/2005 1:04:37 PM

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@Wally: The term 'women friendly' may sound a bit odd, I know. Maybe it has to do with the matter that English isn't my mother language. I could descibe it much better in German...

With women friendly, I don't mean porn that is made FOR women. But if the girls do all those acts for us raincoaters, and first hand of course for the porn studs, they could be more gentle to the girls in front of the camera. I would appreciate that (I know that off camera most actors are really nice guys, they are just acting after all).

Anyway, if a girls grants you a DAP you shouldn't call her bitch or meathole, you should thank her for what she's doing and give her at least appreciation for it (sounds a bit odd *man I am bad at vocabulary today*).

/Just think about those sissies that'd cry for their mommies if they'd only be touched at her bunhole by a mini-mini-plug; those who think they could be gay by being nice to girls/

And of course there are girls who like it rough (e.g. Melissa Lauren), but even those girls don't want to be treated as meat after all.

And I don't think it is contradictory to like hard, gaping and dilating and at the same time to treat women as human beings and not like meat lumps!

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Edited by - MrMire on 3/1/2005 4:58:22 PM

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1. Whatever some people like, others dislike. I don't even try to think "what should I do to make the customer happy". I just hope there are people at the end who enjoy my stuff.

2. Most girls don't feel comfortable to be watched while she gets her ass prepared. Some don't even want the crew in the room.

3. In features the director has a lot of influence in on the scene. Many cuts and instructions make the scenes long and kills the passion. I worked in many features were the sex scene takes 5, 8 or 10 hours to shoot. Maybe with a lunch break in between.

4. My goal in GONZO is to shoot with as little cuts as possible to show real sex. In Anal POV Sluts for instance I have 2 scenes without any cut. We are performers not actors. To ask the girls and guys to "act different" would lead to a feature like movie and kill the heat.

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Edited by - Steve Holmes on 3/1/2005 10:55:23 PM

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The reason I ask is because I would have thought that this would probably be a good way for all involved to relax - and get to know each other a bit - before filming.

Quite separately, I remember seeing a clip in one of the Assman films where J-Y Le C appeared to be having a post-filming bite-to-eat with a girl he'd just been filming with. Do you ever stike-up/maintain friendships with any of the female actors that you shoot with? I seem to remember reading somewhere that you and - was it Sandra Romain - enjoyed a bit of the old rumpy-pumpy on the side away from your official duties.

Hope you don't mind me being a bit nosey! I get the impression that you're a fairly open chap from reading some of your previous posts.

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Sorry Steve and Another Porn Addict for diverging the discussion back to it's original discussion for a moment...

Just wanted to give Mr.Mire credit for raising and interesting and important issue. I too, believe that a slow-moving-anal-exploration-theme movie accompanied by, say, a low key erotic sound track, would be a definite hit and a top-seller once the word got around...

NOTE: There's no contradiction between a movie being erotic and sensual and anal-exploration-oriented at the same time.

I don't' see any movies dwelling on this theme at the moment - it's all done in a rush and what's erotic about a girl crying "YES YES" when you have the notion she's really only thinking about how to spend her next paycheck?...

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Please correct me if I am mistaken, and you know otherwise, MrMire. I seem to remember seeing a television programme that focused on prostitution in Germany where great emphasis was made about how there is a culture of German clients treating such ladies with a great deal of respect during the period in which the two parties are engaged. I seem to remember the programme saying that it is was quite usual for German prostitutes and their clients to become pleasantly acquainted in a bar over a number of drinks before getting down to the business involved upstairs. I also seem to remember the programme stating that any loutish/thuggish behaviour towards such ladies was very much counter-culture, unusual and frowned upon, and that German prostitutes are viewed and treated by their German clients as professionals rather than 'hookers'. If this is all accurate then I'm just wondering whether the emphasis on respect in your posts is associated with such a (commendable) cultural attitude in Germany.

I seem to also remember Steve Holmes emphasizing - in one of his previous ADT posts - the lengths he goes to in order to try and make sure that the girls that he is filming with feel comfortable and relaxed before the action starts. Maybe this is a another indication of how women involved in the German sex industry are generally viewed and treated in their own country.

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Back to the real topic: What I sometimes miss in anal porn is a build-up. All too often, when the performers switch from vaginal to anal sex the guy directly starts pounding her hard until the end of the scene some 10 to 15 minutes later. If he would start slowly and get rougher towards the end, there would be some kind of dynamic development for the viewer to follow, which would add a nice touch to the scene...

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Another porn addict wrote:

Not long ago German prostitutes had to pay taxes, but had no social security and they were not allowed to sue for their money. Luckily that has changed, in a better direction.

The problem most hookers must have, is the point that most of their customers are 'working class' men with lower education level than the average population. And a lower level of education often (I don't say ALWAYS!!!) results in rude behaviour towards women.

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Steve Holmes wrote:

Edited by - MrMire on 3/2/2005 1:37:26 PM

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For my own movies I book mainly girls I know and I'm sure of the scenes I'm going to get.

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Edited by - MrMire on 3/2/2005 4:06:03 PM

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I get that gapes aren't for everyone--it's not like I'm demanding to see them in the next Barely Legal. But a movie that screams gapes, gapes, gapes, should deliver some. Even wtih a good gape movie if you add up the actual "gape time" it can ususally be measured in SECONDS. Imagine getting an oral title and seeing SECONDS of blowjob action.

Even the master of Gapes, JYLC, has stopped taking them seriously with his bullshit fast zoom antics.

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Think of titles like "Elastic Assholes". It screams: wide open, gaping gaping gaping butts... and in reality all you get is a boring DP only film. Gapes can be added up to ten seconds at all. I hate that.

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