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pat362
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Posted - Feb 18 2011 : 10:02PM
^Both Ed and Randy got to pop quite a few girls anal cherry. I don't think having sex with Ed was the deciding factor for these girls to quit porn. I'd even be willing to say that Ed was the deciding factor for them to even attempt porn. He wouldn't have won any beauty contest but he had a way to make girls feel comfortable, appeared to be curious about what the girls had to say and he was not gifted with a large dick so there was no fear on the part of girls of getting f..d raw whether vaginal or anal.
Many girls that appeared in Ed's movies went on to have pretty long porn careers as it's also true that many others did only a couple of movies for Ed or other studios. If the looks of the male was a deciding factor than I suspect many girls would quit porn within a very short time. I was watching a scene with Lexi belle from a video she did with The Minion in 2007 for onr of Blacks on blondes site and the only word I can think of is discusting.
Drebin
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Posted - Mar 31 2011 : 4:05AM
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well said.. tiffany rayne had exactly that appeal for me, she would of looked super hot doing anal in HD :)
was going to make a thread about this but not surprised someone already did
mid 2000s all the hot american porn girls were consistently doing hard anal/dp scenes... what has happened to awesome series dedicated to hot girls getting ass fucked like teenage anal princess, spring chickens, fully loaded, 1 in the pink 1 in the stink and many more

SxDoctor
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Posted - Mar 31 2011 : 8:06AM

torris wrote:
What if you looked like you?
Edited by - SxDoctor on 3/31/2011 8:06:59 AM
joyride
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Posted - Apr 19 2011 : 7:24PM
Exactly. Girls like Keri Sable and Tiffany Rayne.
Two of the many awesome young ladies I have vids of in my anal sex starlets collection. It's just a shame now all the good anal sex comes from European and Russian video websites.
North America could take a pretty big lesson from the success of sites like DDF and Teen Core Club.
 
shalalin
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Posted - Apr 20 2011 : 5:32PM
Perhaps you could advise the American porn companies where they may find an endless string of domestic girls willing to do anal scenes for peanuts like Teen Core Club can by being based in Russia.
Drebin
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Posted - Apr 20 2011 : 10:41PM
lol well as we have said many times the american porn companies sure knew where to find plenty of local girls for anal and dp scenes between 2003-2009
MrTibbs
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 1:19AM
Anyone else notice there are two Mike Adriano movie titles in the title of this thread? Well, almost two if you add "sluts" to the first sentence.
Are there really less American girls doing anal in porn nowadays? If so, I haven't really noticed; my preference is anal and the porn I watch is mostly American and I'm not complaining.
pat362
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 11:56AM
^There is a significantly lower amount of American peformers doing anal compared to their European counterparts. That doesn't mean that you don't have a lot of girls willing to do it but there are just less of them.
MrTibbs
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 12:20PM
^ Less than Euro girls sure, but I'm wondering if there are less American girls doing it than there were before. Someone already noted that there are less American girls in the industry now period and I don't doubt that, so yeah I guess so. Still, it's not something I would call a crisis or anything.
shalalin
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Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 1:01PM
Yup, right off the bus. So sorry that the girls are better represented now... Besides, my "for peanuts" comment was also meant to allude to the fact that the money just isn't there now the way it was five years ago. Fewer girls willing to do the whole menu of sex acts right from the start + fewer producers able to pay fair scene rates in the first place = not exactly rocket science why anal and (especially) DP scenes aren't as prevalent as they once were.
Edited by - shalalin on 4/21/2011 1:02:14 PM
Scott Levy
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Posted - Apr 23 2011 : 4:50AM
I was just thinking about this. Although you can add Ashlynn Leigh to the list of current porn starlets who do anal.
Aside from movies directed by Mike Adriano and Jay Sin (though I think his are mostly lesbo-only), there's not much quality anal porn being made these days.
And DP and/or DAP-only or anal gang bang flicks are practically non-existent.
And it was never one of my faves, but I've also noticed the bukkake and gokkun genre has pretty much completely died off.
Edited by - scott levy on 4/23/2011 4:51:34 AM
upstatecb
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Posted - Apr 26 2011 : 2:33AM
sodomyonsunday
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Posted - Apr 28 2011 : 10:45PM
I never was a fan of protectionism, but could you guys imagine if sasha greys wet dream came true and the porn industry was unionized. With the standardized mandatory payment that booking an anal scene would require to be law complaint, the new regulations alone relegate anal porn on the verge of extinction. Thoughts...
sanchez_1960
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Posted - Apr 29 2011 : 6:34AM
I feel the same. We don't even get much Double Anal any more either.
I think it hit its peak at the time as they were pushing the edge of it. When they reached that stage, apart from a girl taking an entire car in their ass there was nothing left.
The market has changed too with online only scenes as well as just less porn being filmed.
 
joyride
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Posted - May 5 2011 : 9:04PM
With how much porn costs to produce vs. other entertainment media, there is no reason for it not to be unionized, and there is plenty of money to be made. Also I'm all for the girls getting well paid, I just want to see quality anal sex from young north American starlets.
That being said two people in the last few posts mentioned Ashlynn Leigh, and yes she is an awesome new anal sex newcomer, but the very fact that two of the last few posts mentioned only her and no one else just emphasizes the fact of how few anal sex starlets we have now.
Also, I would say the peak in the anal sex starlet scenes was probably around 2005 and has been going downhill ever since sadly... Before this (from about 99/2000) almost every new young starlet was doing anal. Things really need to go back to that, and I'm all for the girls getting paid well for it.
Kaminsky
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Posted - May 6 2011 : 5:41AM
The entire industry is in free fall because of online piracy, but this lack of "anal starlets" is really what it "needs to go back to"
Do you realize how ridiculous this all sounds
Drebin
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Posted - May 11 2011 : 12:30AM
what would be great is a dpfanatics and analteenangels with american girls.. got to love the weekly HD updates
upstatecb
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 3:12PM
joyride
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Posted - Feb 5 2013 : 8:38PM
I sub to this, but nothing American made as of now, as there simply is nothing quality made in NA right now... I have VideoBox for older and the only decent made American content... There has to be someone clever enough in NA to make some anal sex video sites that sell... Currently it can't be DVDs/Bluray focused but there's no reason NA based companies can't do what 21st Sextury or DD are doing...
horndogger
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Posted - Feb 6 2013 : 1:09AM
Joyride,
You bring up some good points and thanks for the walk down memory lane with such beauties as Keri Sable. I agree with you, there are some sites like letstryanal.com that are shooting new talent in anal scenes but it's certainly not like it was before. There are two points I'll add to your thread ....
Concerns:
1) The agents are idiots and certainly not intelligent business people. They tell the girls to "hold out" for the big anal payday. It appears they haven't crunched the numbers lately and calculated the opportunity costs. There are simply too few dollars chasing to many anal holdouts in the industry now. A smart agent, willing to adapt, would take advantage and book the anal scenes sooner. This is a no brainer to me, the entire reason women are in the industry to begin with is money.
2) We are only a few anal producers away from total anal scene bankruptcy. love him or hate him, if you take away Adriano its over. Throw in a slowdown at EA and you might as well shut off the lights for new American girl anal scenes. Brazzers, JulesJordan etc are around but they just don't give us the volume of Adriano and EA.
Horndogger
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Posted - Feb 6 2013 : 6:36AM
Yes it is true if Adriano stops shooting the volume reduction will be noticeable.He plays a significant role in producing American b/g anal.
Lone Wolf
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Posted - Feb 9 2013 : 11:43AM
This is a great thread!
Lone Wolf
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Posted - Feb 13 2013 : 11:12AM
I'm not a fan of Adriano nor think I will be if he's style of porn shooting remains as it is. But I have to admit that the guy is doing a great good for anal lovers and he knows how to show girls' ass holes at their best. He's perhaps the only who gets the privilege to get these young American porn starlets to do anal on camera. Sometimes I wondered why he gets to have these girls 1st anal scene on camera, but it's for the overall good I suppose. Even with him, we see that some girls are still holding on and that's how when I saw Riley Reid, Annika Albright or Heather Starlet in his cast I expected 1st anal scenes, but it was only ATM.
That's the state of American porn right now. Anal is so rare.
It's become really very frustrating that new American girls all have such a strategy as to limit what they do on screen. No wonder why the girls from eastern Europe gets so much success.
IMHO it could bring down the porn business in US as, given the existing legal pressures (condoms ...etc) and girls limiting their performance, producers and viewers (including myself) start turning their back on them and look for girls in Europe.
Just as an example, the Anal king Rocco has not shot any movies in US or starring American chicks in a long long while, and that says it all.
Another point to consider is over the past years we have not really had shining American porn stars (of the like of Tori Black, Shasha Grey...etc) who are adored in the industry and even beyond. It's just not a coincidence.
Come on girls, we need more performance from you! We hope this state of things and mentality start changing soon.
babaro
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Posted - Feb 13 2013 : 1:36PM
Euro girls do more anal yes but they have 0 personality.
American girls are better entertainers. more personality.
it adds value to the girls when they have great personas
i'm sure Rocco wishes he'd come to the US more often... he probably doesn't want to take risks and come here to often.
I don't think he has a US passport or a working Visa. if you get caught too many times coming here to shoot, they can ban you for 10yrs
like they did with Nacho 11 yrs ago.
so many new anal starlets Sheena Shaw, Melody Jordan, Jayden Lee, bailey blue, i could list 50 others
Edited by - babaro on 2/13/2013 1:36:46 PM
 
pat362
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Posted - Feb 13 2013 : 8:33PM
^Euro girls do more anal because they don't have the same view on it than their North American counterpart. I think many Euro girls look at anal in the same way they do vaginal. That and most girls have to give up the ass at least once in Europe if they want to shoot porn. I don't think Euro girls lack personality so much as they are rarely allowed to speak because they can't talk in English and this is the type of porn that is most popular. I'm sure that if the girls could have a dialogue in their own language then you might have a very different opinion.
Just take a look at Italian, German or French made porn and you will see plenty of personality in the performers. Of course the movies will probably be in those language so unless you are fluent in some of these then you won't be sure what is said.
P.s:You have named some recent ana starlets but the claim of being able to name 50 more is a major exageration. You'd have a really hard time naming 20 recent anal startlets.
Lone Wolf
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Posted - Feb 14 2013 : 10:57AM
I totally agree with this.
Also, we are not disputing the fact that they are new US anal girls like the few ones mentioned BUT they are far (very far) less than what used to be in the past.
French girls do have a lot of personality and the french usually don't have any taboos regarding anal sex so it's normal for them to do it. The only bad thing is condoms are mandatory in French porn, which is not good for me. That's why they outperform when they shoot in more international productions (Jessie Volt, Melissa Lauren, Angell Summers...etc)
crystally
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Posted - Feb 16 2013 : 12:43AM
Okay I signed up just to answer this topic
When girls are growing up in a poorer country, they tend to be more ready to do things that make them money....RIGHT AWAY
While American girls that do it have to derive more fun out of it, because there's boring old money to be made elsewhere.
In general I find American anal is more expressive (girls go oohhh) and European anal looks more brooding (girls go ooooo). In casting vids you can tell a lot of the European girls have that "wtf is going on" look or a very inquisitive business like look in their eyes whereas American casting vids, the girls are way more relaxed and have a fun/giggly/open attitude.
I also find when American girls do anal its kind of obvious to see if what they say during the scenes is solely dirty talk for the guys to hear, or a genuine moment of expression. In European anal, its pretty much impossible to see what's on their minds. American anal is also way more concerned about the girls enjoying it too
pat362
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Posted - Feb 16 2013 : 1:54PM
^Sorry but whether we are talking about North American, South American, Australian, Asian, Europeans and on. Money is the only reason why they do porn. Now the lucky ones get to keep most of that money but money is and always will be the reason why these women do porn. European girls do anal a lot more than American ones probably because those are the types of scenes available now and they pay more than most of the others. Girls in the US will usually try to hold out for a bigger paycheck before doing anal but some don't.
I'm sure European girls would love to talk dirty during their scenes but since they can't speak in English then most of us would have no clue what they are saying and I think that's why they are expected to not talk during their scenes. That's also why they mostly ooo, or aaaa. Just take a look at most American porn and try to see if the scene would be as good if the girl didn't say anything like Eastern European girls do.
joyride
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Posted - Feb 25 2013 : 8:30PM
I loved the old cute but naughty school girl scenarios we used to see in the the Jim Powers, Mark Wood, Michael Stefano type movies. Now it seems all those JM, Notorious, PXP RLD, DVSX, type studios have gone the way of the Dodo bird. It seems 10 years ago 3/4 of any types of these vid and DVD volumes contained anal sex scenes, and when they didn't it was rare, but most new young starlets did anal back then, and they were super hot girls also.
Now it's just 21st Sextury, Teen Core Club, and the DDF types that seem to do this kind of stuff now. But it's still not the same as the American naughty school girl, babysitter, cheerleader types, it's sexy glammed up Euro porn, which is okay in it's own right, but where is the good ol' American anal starlet porn. I just can't find it around anymore.
joyride
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Posted - Feb 25 2013 : 8:43PM
Agreed also. Take a look at the original post.. Yes we have a few new girls doing American porn now; none of them are starlets. Melody Jordan (one mentioned) is attractive and has some personality sure, but there are NONE out there now that are Keri Sable or Teagan or Aurora Snow or Jenna Haze types. There are no naughty young school girl types like Kat, Violet Blue, Molly Rome, etc.
Virtually all the the American chicks I've seen doing anal lately look like drugged out runaways doing porn to support a habit. This is not the kind of stuff we were watching a decade ago.
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Posted - Feb 25 2013 : 9:26PM
^ point
If American producers/agents take a look at this thread, they'll see that there is a huge untapped market currently and if some starlets opt to start doing anal scenes early there's a big potential for success, instead that each and every one of the new girls adopt the calculated "anal strategy" approach [i.e. first starting with g/g, then some g/g anal, then bold b/g and ultimately b/g anal (if we are lucky)].
Edited by - lone wolf on 2/25/2013 9:35:30 PM
Julius80
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Posted - Feb 4 2014 : 3:00PM
almost one year later and the situation remains the same, except for Casey Calvert, Remy Lacroix and very few others. Just off the top of my head from back in 2005, 2006 in addition to those mentioned earlier: Isabella Pacino, Katin, Claire Robbins, Chyanne Jacobs, Simone West, Jamie Elle, Chanel Chavez, Cristina Agave, Pink, Lain Oi, Lauren Phoenix (from Toronto, but close enough!, Mia Bangg ... the list of girls doing Anal and DP back then just goes on and on ...
thankfully, I joined videobox.com and for a low monthly fee was able to download literally hundreds of scenes and dvds of these favorites from the golden age of gonzo. (I have not relationship to videobox.com other than satisfied customer.)
indisposed
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Posted - Feb 4 2014 : 5:14PM
It comes down to simple economics. Most actresses have a limited shelf life in porn. They usually get a few initial bookings due to their novelty and then as the bookings dry up they start doing more hardcore and extreme acts including anal. This is more common now due to the glut of women attempting to get into the 'industry'. An example of this would be Adrianna Chechik, she initially started with 'normal sex' and then moved on to the more extreme act including DAP in an attempt to increase her 'fan base'.
Some of the more established actresses will wait a while in an attempt to get a higher sum for their first anal scenes, and also to keep their jaded fans loyal. I think Maddy O'Reilly and Anikka Albrite pulled this off rather well with their self titled movies. Asa Akira did this rather well, in that she initially built up a good fan base prior to performing in her first anal scene.
Chillusions
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Posted - Feb 7 2014 : 7:31AM
While I wouldn't disregard economics as the main aspect I still find it interesting that performers limit themselves on anal scenes but the same doesn't seem to be true for kinky/BDSM type of scenes.
 
pat362
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Posted - Feb 7 2014 : 10:09AM

^&^^I agree that economics has a lot to do why many performers now have to consider doing anal early on in their career or face the hard reality that bookings will be few and spread out over many weeks (if not months) unless they are willing to do anal in one form or another. I don't think this was a problem 4-5 year ago because
the industry still had multiple studios hiring girls on a regular basis and these would hire them for solo, g/g and b/g scenes without the need to add anal unless the performer was willing to do it from the start but as the rise of more and more tube and torrents sites started to eat at the profit of every studio then even those profitable studios had to reduce their production schedule or go out of business. I think many of these mid to high level studios would still be shooting porn on a regular basis but the World Recession happened and this pretty much killed every studio except the very big boys.
I agree that both Maddy and Annika have managed to survive for 3 years doing basic b/g porn. It's a little different for Asa because she precedes them by about five years so she worked with now dead studios but for argument sake I'll add her to the list of rare performers that managed to work a long time before making the jump to more extreme types of porn like anal but for every Maddy, Annika and Asa. There are countless young women who came into porn and left within a few months to a year because they didn't want to do anal(I don't blame them) so couldn't survive on the 1-2 scenes per week they were limited to.
I think I know why many performers who don't do anal choose to do BSDM/kinky porn. The simplest answer is that it's a job and Kink, the main company responsible for most BSDM porn, shoots porn on a daily basis. They have 12 sites where a performer can shoot porn that doesn't require anal (it can in some) and if she is wiling to work with TS performers then you add another site to the list. You can add 1 more site if she is willing to do g/g anal and another is she is willing to go all out and do anal, DP in a gangbang setting. That's a total of 15 possible jobs for a performer and can be more since Kink has no problem hiring the same performer for a new scene on a site that she has already worked for.
Blackie
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Posted - Apr 29 2014 : 2:50AM
We could use more kink. Vanilla is giving me a headache.
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