Wally You're comments have been duly noted and taken into consideration, I think your points are valid and I'll pass it along to the boys for them to assimulate. Resistance is futile we are the porn.
Cal444
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DenverDon Benevolent
Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02
Posted - Mar 8 2003 : 3:06PM
Wally, regarding your last post.
What you said reminded me of a book I read "Don't Eat Yellow Snow" (I may be quoting the title wrong).
There was a section in the book that talked about "she was getting a fuck" as opposed to "she was getting a good fuck", and there was a difference.
well, I did it. ..since I'm a loyal Anabolic fan. I got the damn Tournante video even though I new what I was about to witness. A case of extreme denial or am I a masochist son of a bitch, oh! who knows. ..Anabolic has been good to me for so long that they are like the porno version of my ex-wife. we fight, we kiss, we fight again but always finish in bed together. ..anyway. for those who care, my little report: The scene with Sandra is quite good, well it was expected the girl is a lean, mean, fucking machine. Lots of anal and plenty of daps, damn the girl even takes a triple penetration (2 in the ass, one in the pussy in revers cowgirl position. I was waiting for a good double pussy but never happened (there are some of us that like dpps also, you know :) ..and if it was there (the dpp) the camera angle didn't let me verify. She wears high black boots for those that have the fetish. ..She swalows and take a few facial but mostly swalows. Good scene if you ask me. ..Now el bendito revers gangbang was no that great as I expected. Only two of the ten girls do anal. the ones that do take it up the ass are the least attractive of the bunch. ..Lexington tries to do his best but he has only one dick so you'll see plenty of girls doing nothing, looking bored. remember euro-babes are not that crazy about lesbo love. ...I only hope Anabolic have had the good sense of using the cutest of the bunch like Vanessa and Christina for other future videos, pairing them with Lex in one on one scenes. ..or better yet 2 in 1 scenes :)
If you look close those pens there are a couple of triples. I thought Sandra was AAA, over the top, worth the admission price alone.
Cal444 Somewhere looking at burning man footage
Edited by - cal444 on 3/11/2003 2:02:53 AM
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 11 2003 : 7:07AM
Are they high heeled? She wears stockings as well? or naked legs? I clear have that fetish and I HAVE to see her with 2 in ass and 1 in pussy at same time. Only problems: 1) is this dvd out? 2) I live in fucking Russia and there is no Ana/Dia distribution 3) reverse gangbang is a waste of time, girls pussy and ass, I think.
But I will get that, I promise! (and if only in 2 years, shiiiiittt!)
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 11 2003 : 7:10AM
Sorry forgot: She is that Rumanian Sandra Steve Holmes wrote about having fucked her for gangbang scene for Anabolic, yes? She is so hot! I wonder wheter she got 4000$ for that too. Lucky girl!
hey wally, i'm thinking about buying the movie from a site on the internet. do you think this vhs is worth buying??
Edited by - lkdg2832 on 3/11/2003 2:19:45 PM
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 11 2003 : 3:09PM
Have found cover on Anabolic website and have to say or warn you, that her boots are nothing special, I think. Not too much up to her knees and not high heeled really. And no stockings. But Sandra has a nice body, I still want to see torn in a triple.
I still wonder whether she is the girl from Rumania. And how much she got payed for that gangbang. And when will be out dvd, of course.
yes Sandra is the Rumanian brunette that has done many scenes for R/L, E/A & Anabolic before. She wears equestrian boots. ..Is the video worth buying? ..well, I already stated my feelings about "revers gangbangs" and like Denver Don said, there is a difference between watching a girl getting "a fuck" and a GOOD fuck ..Sandra definitely gets a pretty good fuck :) Her scene is nasty as hell, exactly all you expect from Anabolic ..but after watching Lex's scene all I can say is that I haven't changed my mind about reversgangbangs so unless somebody puts together Silvia Saint, Nikki Anderson, Michelle Wild, Daniella Rush, Anita Dark, Laure Sainclaire, Racquel Darrian, Nikki Dial, Angelica Bella, Kelly trump with straps-ons in the same scene to fuck and be fucked by Lex, Rocco and Nacho reversgangbangs do nothing for me and by definition are tame. ..besides we are talking about Anabolics here, the success of their videos are based on always delivering great, INTENSE sex. The word intense and revers gangbang do not mix. ..but of course if you are interested in learning about the girls's personality that's another story the babes have plenty of time to show it :) ..so here I'm anxiously waiting for Gangbang Auditions #9 :) ...(DVD? ..como on are you serious!, hehehe)
today, i placed an order for this tournante flick.. sandra is nasty? as nasty as shyla as in gbg 34, and as nasty as sabrina johnson from gbg 18?? ever see corina collins scene in gbg 19?? also, i'm looking forwards to the reverse gb. i've never ever seen one in my life. any ass lickign in that scene? i dont suppose sandra licks ass also? hehe what else was i gonna say?? oh, you know how anaboic gb's have thigies to them. for example, in the past they used boxing rings, and bowling alleys. whats this one got?
hey, who is that one mail bitch?? is she really an employee with anabolic headquarters? or a porn star?
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 14 2003 : 11:51AM
Here we have it! They dont want to talk openly about payment, claiming there are no rules, but actually it is all about paying eastern European girls as little money as possible! Poor Sandra!
Shameless Got a hard on for Anabolic all the way from Russia, huh? I find that to be a stretch to say the least. It's only the business of the production company , Jean Yves LeCsatel, and Snadra, "the talent", to negotiate between themselves whatever price they arrived at must have been equatible to both parties or the scene would have never been shot. Anabolic/Diabolic has reputation unparralled in the adult industry in regards to talent.
Cal444 Somewhere thinkin Shameless comon you're transparent as plastic wrap
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Wanker_Wang Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 15 2003 : 9:15PM
Regarding the rates of Eastern European girls, it is a fact that they simply do not get paid the same rates as American girls. Why would you pay a girl the same rates when the average monthly income hovers around $300? In reality, the girls are being paid more than American girls when you take into account the average monthly income.
If these girls were paid the same as Americans, I guarantee you one thing. Nobody would ever fly over to Eastern Europe to shoot. It would simply not be cost effective.
The fact that these Eastern Euro whores are paid the same, and in most cases, more than their standard rates in the countries, is far more equitable than one can imagine.
FWIW, Sandra received a 50% 'tip' on top of her negotiated rate for her amazing performance in Anabolic Tournante. She's a super whore.
In Prague and Budapest the range of payment for one girl is between 150.- and 1,500.- US Dollar. The good male performer get between 400.- and 700.- USD.
It is simply a matter of supply and demand. In Germany, where the cost of living is on the same level as in the USA, most girls get less paid than in Hungary.
Forget about this average monthly income. All the good talent in Budapest, male or female, work internationally and have their prices. Don't believe you can buy a car or a computer cheaper in Budapest. Silvia Saint, Michelle Wild or Rita Faltoyano are international brands like Mercedes.
Many American producers come to Eastern Europe not to save money but to shoot different girls. Otherwise they would not fly first class for 7,000.- per ticket.
Steve You might want to think about what your saying before you say it. You implied Anabolic took advantage of European girls in the form of a snide remark. Nothing could be further from the truth. As W.W. pointed out Sandra got a 50% bonus on top of whatever was negotiated by LeCastel (a European) and her, that bonus came from Anabolic as a thank you for such an outstanding performance. Now Steve can you tell me one other company that put a 50% bump on top of a set price for talent as a "THANK YOU", I thought not. If you're going to go on the net and start prodding and bagging in my direction you better have you're facts straight, know what I mean? Is Platinum XXX going to bump thier talent 50% for good performances?
Cal444 Somewhere thinkin you better get a clue quick.
I didn't intend to imply anything. I just gave some general figures and I didn't talk about Sandra or Anabolic.
I think it is not my business what Anabolic pays the girls. But just because you asked. Manuel and I used Sandra in our last shoot and we pied her for a DAP the same what she got for your gangbang.
Anabolic has a good reputation to pay the girls good. Maybe I'm just stupid when I pay more, because Sandra was not the best paid girl in our last movie.
Hey Steve, I wanted to say that I'm looking forward for your videos, I'm sure they'll be of great quality, full of hot euro-babes. ...I just would like to add something: if you find girls that do not do anal, try to get a double pussy penetration from those babes. ..I like daps but dpps shouldn't be forgotten :) ..if you ask me dpps make girls look sexier. Best regards.
The point I've repeatedly made is Jean Yves LeCastel did the deal. It was his production company's gig not Anabolic's. Anabolic just gave her the bonus. I don't know Steve maybe I'm just a sensitive guy but, "she only got a fraction", sounds like a dig to me.
Steve I think we've strayed from the thing we should be talking about. What a hot ass little performer Sandra is. Hottttt Damnnnnnn
Cal444 Somewhere taking a dump
Edited by - cal444 on 3/19/2003 2:47:27 AM
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 19 2003 : 6:39AM
To me the question remains, why such a <hottttttt> girl earning even a bonus for her performance got payed less that Belladonnas 4000$ for her appearance in GBG29. And Bella did not one single DAP in that movie.
Aw yes Shameless with the hard-on for Anabolic all the way from Moscow, well komrad, I don't know what Bella got for her scene but I do know she did her scene directly for Anabolic in America. Sandra did her scene for Jean Yves LeCastel in, Budapest, I think, That would probably be the determining factor in the equasion. Just out of curiousity, does it make or break your stroke, when you're pulling it to a scene, and you know, or think you know, the girls rate? Bottom line is the rate is the business of the production company and the talent. It has no effect on the end stroker. Why does Julia Roberts get whatever she gets and some lesser known get what she gets? It's how much money the girl on the box generates in revenue. A little common scence would be uncommonly uncommon in this matter.
Cal444 Somewhere thinkin Shameless sure picked the right name
It's typical of the duality we apply to women that this is such a big issue. Whilst we all profess to the modern view that women should be treated equally to men in every way when it comes to the crunch we seem to regard them very differently. Would we show similar concern over what male performers would earn or would we actually just be saying that they are adults and are old enough to make their own decisions ? There is a similar tone to the thread 'does it hurt' regarding DAP. I believe if this thread was about 18+ year old gay men doing DAP we'd just shrug our shoulders and say that it's their decision and that they are old enough to decide on their own risks and rewards.
In the interests of fairness and equality I would therefore suggest, that as long as a girl knows what she is expected to do and for what amount, if SHE is happy with the rates we should stop being so paternalistic by assuming she needs our protection from big nasty 'other' men.
My only problem is the big secrecy you Americans make out of porn girl payments. I wrote in other thread that the less informed you are in new place the less good you feel. All my interest is that as many as possible girls from Russia, Rumania and other East contries make porn career in USA. If they agree to do acts for less money than US-girl, that is fine. I find Euro-girls very good and attractive and if they cheaper they are in more of your US-films. And this is good thing. But I like it to be FAIR and TRANSPARENT.
Wanker Wang is some way right that 100$ in USA is less money than 100 £ in Rumania or Russia - this even is business advantage of <our> girls; but I still like porn-transparency-international.
To finish just let me say, that I dont get anal sex only with drunken girl. I can get it with my ex-wife if I like for free (but there is some talk and fuss involved I dont like always), I get is with escort girl I pay local fare or with usually cheep streetwalker. I try not limit my choice for sex play partners, but professional sex workers are better for anal, I think. That is all I said.
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DenverDon Benevolent
Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02
Posted - Mar 19 2003 : 7:13PM
This topic was about the tournante release, and by inference Ana/Dia releases.
It has wandered so far into other areas, it has outlived it's usefulness. I'm closing it down.
Chain Of Command (Brazzers) - review by fu_q
Posted - Mar 8 2003 : 2:37PM