Anal "strategy": go all out from the jump or wait?

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DuanCulo Member 123 Posts 11/10	Posted - Jan 29 2012 : 7:44PM i personally prefer anal from the jump as a consumer. but i know there are "strategies" some agents may use when building their starlets career. typically, a starlet either refuses to do anal period, was against it but then decided to do it because it's in demand (Sienna west, thankfully she finally did!), strategically built up anticipation and was always intending to do it eventually (eva angelina did this beautifully, though waited a tad bit too long) and those who go anal basically from the jump (start of their careers) which is the better strategy, wait and build anticipation or go with what's in demand? some say juelz ventura waited too long (pass her peak, though i still love her) and some would say someone like ashley blue did too much too soon. where do you fall? http://www.change.org/petitions/brazzers-produce-porn-with-average-thin-cocks-that-doesnt-involve-sph [Link]
Reggie86 Member 904 Posts 10/08	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 8:47AM I wish they would all do anal from the beginning. Waiting to do anything is complete BS. Girls that do wait want to make it some big event and hold out for a larger paycheck. It's all about money these days. And there's no such thing as a "career" in porn anymore. Most of these girls are in it for some quick cash and quit after a few months. The majority of them leave without ever doing anal. Which sucks for fans like me that love watching it. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 9:21AM I'd really like an insider to weigh in on this. Frankly I don't believe there is such "career management" going on in the porn biz. I think it's as simple as: Doing porn anal is a hassle/uncomfortable/unpleasant/painful for many girls, so they don't do it. Then eventually their reluctance gives way to "Hey, a bigger paycheck would be nice". Simple as that. [Link]
HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 9:36AM ^ Yeah, that's the best way of putting it. I think it makes absolute sense for a star to hold for the paycheck, in some cases, maybe many cases, if they hold out, they know that there will be a renewed interest in bookings once they start doing anal. Make the rounds doing the hot 18+ college girl thing, then maybe guy/guy/girl and then in 8 months or a year, go ass. I love seeing anal but there is nothing terrible about seeing 'em half undressed and "just" getting pussy-fucked. Nothing at all! [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 10:09AM Considering the shelf life of your average porn starlet is measured in months in most cases and the pay isn't like a MBA rookie with a 110-mph fast ball, I think they should do whatever they personally believe nets them the highest return on their investment of orifices and time. If that means holding out for anal, great. If that means going all out as 'the new anal starlet' that's fine too. Ultimately, its their choice. Its not like we remain loyal to them for that long before jumping to the next 'new thang.' [Link]

pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 10:13AM I think the anal strategy for todays new performers is very different than it was just a few years ago because it's next to impossible for newbies to make a decent living doing solo, G/G and standard B/G porn long enough that they accumulate an ever increasing amount of fans all requesting her to do anal. Seeing as the average life of a newbie performer is probably less than 6 months and the number of possible jobs is so small than there's no time for people to really appreciate her work and there certainly isn't enough time for her to get the level of popularity necessary for her to request a high anal rate. She can ask but she won't get anywhere near what she thinks it's worth. Not because it's not worth that amount but the studio would never make their money back if they paid her that amount. [Link]
SxDoctor Member 103 Posts 10/06	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 4:54PM If you are not that attractive and need to do anal to get enough scenes to make a living, then go for it from the beginning of your career. If you get enough scenes to make a living without having to do anal keep on trucking and only do anal if you enjoy it. If you're just doing porn for fun and experimenting with sex as a potential one-and-done, do anal. I wouldn't be unhappy if most starlets didn't do anal on-camera until they've been doing it off-camera for at least a year. [Link]
jackthetreacleeater Senior Member Shame on you! 2003 Posts 10/06	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 5:08PM I'm not sure holding back is such a good tactic sometimes. You have to take into account how many anal scenes the girl could have got in during the holding out time, and compare that with the actual one of big cheque they get. I'm sure if Gianna, for example, had just got on and done anal of the bat she would have made far more money than the single big cheque she got for Big Wet Asses. I think in pure financial terms holding out is not likely to be beneficial to most girls. If a girl has 'talent' and a star aura about her she'll make money just getting on with it. Look at Bobbi Starr, probably one of, if not the, most highly paid and talented pornstar in the business right now and she did anal pretty much right from the start. Likewise many others too numerous to mention. Nothing says romance like anal sex. [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 6:47PM To paraphrase from Jerry Maguire: "You had me at anal" [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 9:03PM SxDoctor wrote: If you are not that attractive and need to do anal to get enough scenes to make a living, Click to expand It's never been a question of looks and it's even less one now. Taste vary too much form person to person for looks to be an issue. The sad reality is that there isn't enough porn being shot for the all the available performers. Girls just getting into porn who set limits on what they will or will not do get a lot less calls than those willing to do a little more. Of course doing anal right away doesn't guarantee that you'll get a calls all the time because there is still the problem of reduced filming. [Link]
flying_postman Member Europena Fanboy 162 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 11:49PM I would love to see performers do anal from the start or at least a few scenes into their porn career instead of dragging it out & over hyping it into an underwhelming "ANAL EVENT" (I'm looking you Alexis Texas). Compared to the Euro girls where anal or even DP is considered entry level but obviously with a talent pool that is infinitely deeper in Europe I assume that it would would be easier for a director to get beautiful girls to go straight to anal. I just wish the US sluts had that comfort level with anal like the Eurobabes... [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jan 31 2012 : 9:18AM flying_postman wrote: I would love to see performers do anal from the start or at least a few scenes into their porn career instead of dragging it out & over hyping it into an underwhelming "ANAL EVENT" (I'm looking you Alexis Texas). Compared to the Euro girls where anal or even DP is considered entry level but obviously with a talent pool that is infinitely deeper in Europe I assume that it would would be easier for a director to get beautiful girls to go straight to anal. I just wish the US sluts had that comfort level with anal like the Eurobabes... Click to expand Anal sex is more or less mainstream in porn movies nowadays. Most porn fans have seen so much anal sex that images of anal sex naturally come to their minds, when they see the sexy ass of a good-looking lass in the doggy or in the cowgirl position. And it's a bit frustrating for a porn fan to know that the lady's good-looking ass is strictly off limits for her horny guy to ride. It's like you can look at, but you cannot touch the pretty lady's asshole. And this kind of thing makes the lady look sexually inhibited and less than willing to please her men. You can't help but compare porn ladies to each other, after you've seen many porn movies. And pussy-only ladies often don't compare well with ladies who have no limits and no restrictions for their horny guys. The pussy-only ladies look sexually inhibited compared to no-holes-barred ladies. And this makes the pussy-only ladies less popular than they could be among porn fans. Edited by - Dan on 1/31/2012 10:24:18 AM [Link]
Simpsona Senior Member 2389 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 31 2012 : 7:34PM ^ Thats true and cracked me up as usual.Thing is though while i generally prefer performers who do anal i don't think there's anything better in porn when a girl waits a while then turns into a litle anal freak.I'm thinking of girls like Kristina Rose,Asa Akira and more recently Kagney Linn Karter. [Link]
joeblow123321 Member 319 Posts 11/09	Posted - Feb 1 2012 : 3:02AM Like any rational porn-viewer, my vote is for the girls to go all-out, balls to the wall from the get-go (see: Romain, Alice; first scene ever: fucked in ass on a public street by Steve Holmes, second scene ever: five-man gang bang including double anal). That said, two careerists who "followed the strategy" -- Kagney Linn Carter and Chastity Lynn -- have recently jumped into deepest darkest anal with both feet. After hundreds of strictly B/G and G/G scenes, they are both making up for lost time, and both doing it in the opposite of timid manners. The first anal scene of saw of Chastity was a JM production (those infamous purveyor of skeevy, low-budget-looking nastiness) called Buttfuck Bukkake. Basically Chastity gets the living shit fucked out of her ass by several dudes, while other dudes jerk off on her face. It was really fucking nasty, and kind of awesome for one of her first anal scenes. Kagney was even nastier. After a quick anal debut, she shot Relentless, which featured many nasty anal scenes, including a clear "scene of the year" candidate that was a double anal. Though I'd be happy had they offered up their spacious and accomodating rectums earlier in their careers, it was kind of awesome to see these girls--who I'd seen for a couple of years in lots and lots of straight B/G--suddenly go anal. And thank God both are still absolutely gorgeous. There's nothing sadder than the porn girl who allowed the lifestyle to age the fuck out them and THEN they go anal. [Link]
jackthetreacleeater Senior Member Shame on you! 2003 Posts 10/06	Posted - Feb 1 2012 : 3:58PM What website or DVD was Alice Romain's gangbang and double anal on joeblow? Nothing says romance like anal sex. [Link]

pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Feb 1 2012 : 9:36PM ^Her double anal was on Pierre Woodman's site. [Link]
joeblow123321 Member 319 Posts 11/09	Posted - Feb 2 2012 : 2:43AM and the street anal was on public disgrace... a kink.com site... [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Feb 2 2012 : 12:58PM joeblow123321 wrote: Like any rational porn-viewer, my vote is for the girls to go all-out, balls to the wall from the get-go (see: Romain, Alice; first scene ever: fucked in ass on a public street by Steve Holmes, second scene ever: five-man gang bang including double anal).... Click to expand It might make sense for a sexy lady to wait, say 'no' for a while, and tease the horny guys a little, before giving in to their carnal desires. Because forbidden fruit often tastes sweeter, just because it's forbidden. But I don't think many horny guys have the patience to wait. When a sexy lady says 'no' to horny guys, then these horny guys usually go to the next lady who says 'yes' to them, unless there is no other lady to go to. Saying 'no' might work only when every lady says 'no' to horny guys. Because then guys have no choice but to wait. But when guys have a choice to go for some other lady who says 'yes' to them. Then few if any guys are going to wait. And that's how it is in porn nowadays. Porn fans don't wait. They just go to look at another lady and satisfy themselves with her. Edited by - Dan on 2/2/2012 12:59:48 PM [Link]
babaro Member 539 Posts 1/12	Posted - Feb 5 2012 : 4:06AM If Dan wrote a book, i would buy it. He's like the Confucius of porn. Edited by - babaro on 2/5/2012 4:06:21 AM [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Feb 5 2012 : 7:48AM babaro wrote: If Dan wrote a book, i would buy it. He's like the Confucius of porn. Click to expand Thanks for your approval of what I have to say. Some people in this forum have criticized my posts for being too long and somewhat difficult to read. But I write the way I do because I believe that it's possible to discover new truths and new ideas through logical reasoning. That's how ancient philosophers have tried to discover new ideas and new truths. And they did succeed to some extent, even about sex in the Kamasutra book from India. Of course in today's world, logical reasoning isn't enough by itself. To know if an idea is true or not you need to test it in the real world. But logical reasoning is still useful for coming up with new ideas. And you do need new ideas, before you can test them how well they work in the real world. [Link]
DuaneMayer Member porn is my religion! 99 Posts 1/11	Posted - Feb 5 2012 : 11:37AM i can back dan up... i barley watch porn scenes without anal. i am not a "fan" of any actress not doing anal. (or at least willing to do) i can understand, that they dont want to start with some of the huge dicks. but for me (as consument) there are no reasonable terms for an actress to do just half the job. no1 has a job which is fun to 100%, i think not even as a male porn actor. ;) for exception i didnt realize that stunning juelz ventura until her first anal last year in december ;) other way round an exception proves the rule, i couldnt wait to see angelina valentine doing anal before. for some similar reasons i would never sign your petition duanculo. to see an average dick i can look down or in the mirror. i dont want to pay to see that ;) [Link]
Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11	Posted - Feb 6 2012 : 10:35AM ^ Agree. I'm an anal porn watcher too (B/G). I watch only this type of porn. There's never something more frustrating for me than watching a porn scene & seeing a very hot porn chick (that turns me on) and not taking it in the ass. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 6 2012 : 4:22PM It's always possible that the "strategy" is just to never do anal at all. Leigh Livingston, for example, once said she didn't want to do it as it hurt and she wanted sex to be pleasureable. [Link]
Simpsona Senior Member 2389 Posts 8/10	Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 7:55PM A 'BIG' no to average size cocks in porn. [Link]
DuanCulo Member 123 Posts 11/10	Posted - Feb 24 2012 : 2:07AM simpsona99999 wrote: A 'BIG' no to average size cocks in porn. Click to expand that isn't the point of the thread. it is just my signature. i see where most believe they should go all out. what of those who make you wait then once they do it never really get into it. rachel starr had me waiting for years and then she does it for one scene and hasn't done it since. cop out if you ask me. sure she would say otherwise, that lovely hfh. on the other hand, waiting could be seen as the perfect 'career rejuvenator'. case in point, sienna west has ALWAYS been one of the hottest women not only in porn but on this planet. but her scenes were typically here and there, vanilla really, that were only watchable because she was so damn hot. but since she has started doing anal, my perception of her as a performer has completely changed. i now rank her as one of the better porn stars in the business in addition to being one of the sexiest (beauty with perfect grill and busty). in fact i'm seeing quite a few stubborn procrastinators to anal now coming around to it (likely due to industry pressure). and i'm sure many of them have seen their bland careers revived a bit once they started doing it. [Link]

Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Feb 24 2012 : 9:29AM DuanCulo wrote: ....case in point, sienna west has ALWAYS been one of the hottest women not only in porn but on this planet. but her scenes were typically here and there, vanilla really, that were only watchable because she was so damn hot. but since she has started doing anal, my perception of her as a performer has completely changed. i now rank her as one of the better porn stars in the business in addition to being one of the sexiest (beauty with perfect grill and busty). in fact i'm seeing quite a few stubborn procrastinators to anal now coming around to it (likely due to industry pressure). and i'm sure many of them have seen their bland careers revived a bit once they started doing it. Click to expand Willingness to have anal sex is the thing that shows just how much the pretty lady is willing to please her guys. Because not every lady is willing to spread her ass for the guys. Ladies who do more with horny guys are bound to be more popular among the horny guys. This is just common sense. It doesn't make sense for a guy to prefer a lady who is unwilling to satisfy some of his sexual desires, when another lady is willing to satisfy him in every way he wants, including the anal way. Any guy who has any liking for anal sex will naturally prefer the porn lady who is willing to have anal sex. The only reason why a guy would go for an inhibited woman who is unwilling to satisfy some of his sexual desires is if she is better-looking and more attractive than are women who are willing to do everything with him. Edited by - Dan on 2/24/2012 9:30:30 AM [Link]
Simpsona Senior Member 2389 Posts 8/10	Posted - Feb 24 2012 : 7:02PM DuanCulo wrote: that isn't the point of the thread. it is just my signature. Click to expand I know,i was just saying. [Link]