Mercedes Fan. Not talking cars here.... 344 Posts 2/04
Posted - Mar 22 2004 : 9:06AM
Hm, just read at the Private-Forum that glamour-porn-director Antonio Adamo is - at least for some time - no longer with Private. Plus he is believed to have signed a contract with a German studio. Which one could that be? And what will be his next projects?
Any information is appreciated, thanks in advance.
I hope this is true because he was a very poor director IMO because his movies were too soft, too soft for Private standards but then again Private standards have also changed over the course of years.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Mar 22 2004 : 10:18PM
Are you asking?
Uhm... before this gets out of hand, no, I am definitely not auditioning. And a very innocent question: do moderators find the moderaty (probably not an English word, but I trust you understand what I mean) comments, like the one I posted above, annoying? If so, I have no problem keeping them for myself.
Lee O said: "Guess now that you're a *senior member* you won't be hanging out with lowly scum like me anymore then !"
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Mar 22 2004 : 10:28PM
Damn, I was too late. Pity. Was it quotable?
(Bad Walter, this is supposed a thread about Antonio Adamo leaving Private.) Well, here is a valid argument for me not to become a moderator. I seem to be derailing threads like this ALMOST as much as cobalt. I did say almost.
P-Knuckle said: "Somewhere in the gap between the cute and the beautiful lies the visual wasteland of porno woman, those who get bounced between chop shop tattooists and plastic surgeons like a hacky sack at a grateful dead show. Then they emerge to all look alike, perform alike, and disappear into the $4.95 10hr compilation VHS tape section."
I can't speak for the others, but they don't bother me. My comment just came at a time where I was frustrated with something else. At those times, sarcasm comes very easily.
I agree with p_ramezap. I wish Private would go back to basic. It still makes me very sad to see a company like Private break down like this. They were truly the best in the mid 90's with Woodman kicking ass and their awesome Triple-X serie. I want that Private back!
It´s an open forum, so you don´t have to be a member of privatedotcom. But - at least to me - it´s read only. It says you will receive an email with further instructions after you signed in for the forum, but I never received such an email and when I sent them an email regarding that subject, I never got response.
Compared to this (the ADT) forum, the private forum is rather poor. I look at it once in a month to collect some information about what´s going on at private, but that´s it.
Good Riddance! I've been badly burned by Adamo's shitty movies so I essentially stopped buying Private altogether. They were my favorite studio back at the time of Woodman, but then the real hardcore directors left and they started giving some of my favorite stars to Adamo, which is why I fell for a few of his videos. If he wants to play around with black'n'white, monochrome, and low-frame rate shots, he should stay the hell out of the hardcore business.
Here's a list of the actual Private directors from the PrivateForum: Private Gold - Xavi Dominguez, Alessandro del Mar Black Label - Kovi, Andrew Youngman Movies - Michael Raven, B. Johnson Tropical - Alessandro del Mar Sports - JF Romagnoli, Gazzman X-Treme - S. Kerkove Reality - Various
If you go through that list you can't find any good director besides Skeeter. But that Adamo is not longer with Private is real good news. I hope that del Mar will be the next to go. He has good looking women in his movies, wonderful landscapes, but the sex is so boring.
With Adamo no longer with Private I hope they will go back to produce real good hardcore movies like they did in the 90s.
Not only did Private's movies became softer and softer but also the quality of the girls dropped A LOT. I mean when they had Woodman all the girls were awesome, Blondie, Demia Moore, Gabriella Blicq, Gabriella Bond and Nikki Anderson just to mention a few.
I don't think Private will be ever as good as they were because Private was actually Pierre Woodman, he was the big man behind the success of Private!
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Posted - Mar 24 2004 : 4:55AM
True, Ramsey, but Woodmans girl quality also dripped since he is with Hustler.
The only reason I can see behind is a drying out talent pool in the usual porn scout hunting places.
That's true and I wonder why he can't find the high quality girls he had no problem finding when he was with Private. What happened to all the hot girls from east-europe?
Mercedes Fan. Not talking cars here.... 344 Posts 2/04
Posted - Mar 24 2004 : 5:47AM
Guess that pretty much sums up the answer to Ramsey´s question. Maybe you just have to add the "money" to that thought. From what I recently heard when I talked to some former porno-girls, I assume it´s safe to say that lots of the girls would stay in the business for a longer time, if the payment would be better. Plus, more new talent would be available if the girls would get better payment. Given, in the eastern european states there are still hundreds of cute girls that would like to earn money. But they are simply no longer avail as cheap as they used to be. So if Private (or any other company) would like to go back to the times when there were dozens of new top-notch girls available, they should accept higher payments for the girls.
Thanks for the link.Have you tried to contact nerdgirl, the Private representative on that forum? She used to post here (for example [ invalid url ]) but chose "not to allow her email address to be accessible".At least there is a chance to make yourself heard (of course only if the registration works!)
Am I the only one who has got the impression that the average age of his girls fell when he changed over to Hustler? Company policy?
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Posted - Mar 24 2004 : 9:22AM
Right, of course money is the key issue. But better payment in places like Prague or Budapest where a normal DP costs around 800 Euro already is difficult to sollict I bet. Either porn scouts try to reach girls yet unaffiliated with a capital porn agency from the countryside, or they do have to hunt for them in cheaper places than Czech or Hungary.
There is no question that as far as having a fresh crop of girls in their films go, it just hasn't happened since Woodman left. One of the best things about a Private film directd by Woodman was that you saw girls in their first scenes, mosly doing anal and DPs and all were hot. Now, it seems that they are stuck with a limited talent which they feature in every single release.
Also, during Woodman's best years at Private, they pretty much had a monopoly on hot European chicks, but after American companies saw the potential in hot girls and cheaper prices, the novelty was gradually worn off as more and more companies featured Euro chicks.
I have no hope for Private. There are too many Adamo clones still directing videos for Private.
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Posted - Mar 24 2004 : 8:17PM
I think it is completly natural that the business goes where the prices are best. IMO it´s not the novelty that is worn off, just the pool is over-fished, so to say. If Woodman needed lets say 100 new girls per year, now all porn companies together try to get out 1000 of Budapest and Prague alone. And as there arn´t just that many the same actresses are used again and again.
This will come to a dead point soon, I bet, and than it all explodes and producers will swarm out East of the enlarged EU just to save their very business.
i think adamo's stuff for private was hot, and i enjoyed it as much as woodman's stuff. private forum isn't 'read-only', as i post to it a lot and enjoy doing so.
baskkk2003, welcome to the forum, since you post a lot - what is your assessment: would you say that the posts are really having an impact on the company's decisions?
hi, i'd guess that the views expressed in private's forum have some influence - it's rather like a 'focus group' - but it's hard to say just how much difference fan discussons make. i suppose, too, that it takes time for any decisions made about matters of production to work their way through.
Mercedes Fan. Not talking cars here.... 344 Posts 2/04
Posted - Mar 27 2004 : 10:35AM
baskkk2003,
I did not say that the private forum is read only in general, I just said it´s "read only" to me, because I never received their email which I would need to activate my account there. Plus I neither got response from private nor from the moderator I emailed about that issue. Hence I am not able to post there => read only!
Would it change the decisions that Private makes, when people would discuss some topic there, or make suggestions there? I do not think so. First of all, did you see how few persons actually do contribute there? From the number of persons that obviously purchase and/or rent Private films, I´d say that a very small minority contributes. Would a major company base it´s decisions on the words of a small minority? I do not think so. Maybe they would eventually use an idea that comes up at their forum, evry now and then, but basically I´d say that´s pretty much it.
I really doubt it. I think Private made the decision a long time ago to go more into the couples-appeal direction. I thought they were back on track with Lecastel and his Matador serie but then they toned him down with the Private Xtreme serie. Their magazines (Private, Pirate, Triple-X and Sex) also went downhill pretty fast.
I use to buy them every month for the past 10 years but not anymore. I only bought the magazines for the Woodman photoshoots anyway and since he's not shooting anymore for them there's no point of buying those magazines anymore.
I wish somebody could explain why they had to change like this, I mean they had a very good thing going.
Ramsey, opinions may vary on the single directors and photographers, but I don't think that's the main problem, although I agree that that list is not impressive at all. I see a few second or third-string directors and I see many hacks. Also, I don't understand how Axel Braun fits in this scheme. And there are at least three other people that are not mentioned at all that probably produced more stuff for Private. And what happened to Ninn? Anyway, what I think is that Private has no direction whatsoever. There's no consistency in their releases, there's no longer a Private style. I have no problem with them starting new series each month or changing directors or trying new marketing tactics. But I'd like to see more quality control. And some artistic direction.
I agree with everything you said but especially with the Private style thing. Private use to have a certain style like THE most beautiful girls shot in beautiful location by Pierre Woodman himself. I always looked forward seeing new Woodman movies because you knew you were buying something special. Now that's not the case anymore.
I heard something about changing the ownership had something to do with the direction they're going now. Didn't Milton Jr. sold Private to somebody else or something?
Milton stepped aside for a while. But after the big crash, last year, they fired their former ceo without many cerimonies. Officially Milton is in control again. Hiring Skeeter was a very bold move. Will Andrew Youngman (which is Sandy's co-boss, let's not forget about it) direct features?? That would be fantastic. That would mean Sophie, Sandra Shine, all the best girls.
It's not true that everybody has pretty girls nowadays. For instance, my friend Denis has shown (and he will show MORE) that you can still cast hard-to-get models if you really want to, if you have respect for your public and you have quality as your priority.
Woodman too has incredible new hotties each month, but his style has become SO HECTIC that it's hard to enjoy them. He seems like a madman, a workaholic madman. Eva wrote in my Forum: "He's nice actually, just when he sees the naked girls and smell the... he's getting crazy."
It would be great to have some feedback from Private. ADT is the place to be. I can't believe they can't bother to promote themselves.
Re: The Private Forum. The views and preferences of the small minority of fans like myself who choose to post them are likely to be of some interest to company analysts responsible for understanding the customer, but, of course, the analysis which would be of central importance to the company would be the assessment of the purchasing trends of the vast, silent majority of consumers across the world. i'm just thinking aloud here, as i'm not a businessman myself, and i have no direct knowledge of how such analyses are carried out in the porn industry. Re: any problems with registration to the forum. I believe there's a guy called Ollie at their Customer Services who's very helpful. Re: the quality of Private's product. I don't think that there's been a falling off of quality since the heyday of Woodman, just a diversifiaton of styles and themes. This is no bad thing, since fan preferences are bound to vary and it's better if a range of tastes are catered for. As far as Adamo is concerned, I appreciate high production values and think that these enhance rather than detract from the eroticism of the porn.
baskkk: I'd like to post in the Private Forum, but I think they should do something to fix it instead of having people contacting administrators. But I'll do it.
I'm a Private fan and collector since 1994. I did see a change in Private's output, quality-wise. For instance, Adamo's Penthouse movies were so glossy and hi-tech while his later offering were almost always hack-jobs with lots of post-editing.
But I respect people's tastes and all I want is for my favorite company to find a direction again, thru Skeeter or Axel, I don't mind.
Yes Antonio has left Private, but I think he is a very good director. At least to me he was always very straight and is very particulair in what he wants. Although his lines were to soft for some people, that likes more hardcore.But he knows how to make porno for couples.. that's why the private gold line is there. Its not only about the sex, but some more erotic. I think you got to love this type of filming or you don't like it. Thats the same that maybe some people like to watch some Gonzo movies instead of Features or something like that. About for who he is directing now is what i have heard for a big German Company yes..( I think Beate Uhse, but not sure ) I hope he will do good and wish him all the best !
What I'm trying to say is .... he is a good guy and made some nice movies.
bobbi eden's own scenes with antonio adamo illustrate perfectly how erotic his work is. i count it as hardcore porn, but it's made with flair and style.
Antonio Adamo @ Adult Empire
Posted - Mar 22 2004 : 9:06AM
