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I don't have any interest in anal if it gets dirty. I only have a little interest even if it's not - funny, but the only way I ever started to get turned on by an A2M was after finding out the girls cleaned really good before. Then the idea began to get interesting to me.

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i like it the CLEAN way!

if somebody want to see shit he should buy a scat-movie, violà, there it is

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Gaping assholes, A2M, A2OGM, anal cream pies, cum farting and cum drinking directly from the ass have become more common lately and that's nice. But maybe the time has come to push the envelope one step further.

I wish for instance there more often would be some stains of brown on the dick when it is pulled out from a girl's asshole and put into her or another girl's mouth. And I wish that the cum that is farted out and served to drink from a girl's asshole would have at least a brownish tone.

It's not about making a girl eating shit (that would be "too much"). Just about giving her a slight taste of her original anal contents in a delicate cocktail with cum and a drop of lube.

Edited by - Lysander on 4/19/2004 7:31:36 AM

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Seriously, Katja, your work is great. I'm a big fan. Still, I hope that there are some quality performers and directors out there who will soon embark on the slightly filthier road that is being contemplated here.

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Bored with "clean" anal?

Why can't we scale back to a point where we get excited about the anticipation of having sex so that when the payoff of penetration cums it actually MEANS something again--especially anal. Nastiness is a state of mind, not an empirical value.

Industry health scare or not, I just can't see any responsible side of encouraging the girls to be MORE filthy, and even FURTHER risk their health and well being, let alone test their limits of revulsion on camera when most of porn has forgotten what it means to build up suspense, and to create tension. In most of (but not all of) today's porn, we're left simply with the acts, leaving it up to the audience to assign meaning to them, and have abandon the build up and context completely except in the most superficial and boring ways.

That said, if porn could do what Hollywood does and make the girl drinking the brown tinted cum expelled from an ass hole LOOK real, and feel real without actually BEING real... I'd be all for it, especially if there was purpose behind it, but geeezz. Porn is somewhat unique in that it is in one way a complete facade, and not real, but at the same time, it is COMPLETELY real. Most porn fans won't accept anything less, and most porn companies can't afford anything more . It is this dichotomy that is both one of porn's greatest strengths, and simulatneously one of its greatest weaknesses.

I'm a broken record about this sometimes, but I just feel that this call for increasing "deviance", "depravity", "extremity", or "filthyness" is simply a misguided reaction to what's REALLY wrong--a lack of real sexuality. And what's more, going in the particular direction that lysander suggests would just seem to me to be further increasing the health risks that the performers already take. Don't we care at ALL about that? I do.

Just my take though. Once again, I'm not making a judgement against what anyone likes, or would want to see. I'm just wondering how far porn can responsibly take these kinds of extreme acts--especially when it seems that the fundamentals of the "mind fuck" have all but disappeared.

Edited by - MLyons on 4/19/2004 1:21:15 PM

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Great post MLyons! If the chemistry was better for the average sex scene then I also think there would less calling for extreme stuff...
Personally the gaping and ATM doesn't do a thing for me, it seems to take heat out of a scene... whenever the female performer might actually seem to start to enjoy whatever reaming is going on the guy pulls out.

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To keep the thread on track though, I do hear you Buttman31. I do. And so that _I'm_ clear, I'm not making any evaluation of anyone who DOES like scat. That was absolutely not the point of my post. I also understand that you want to see the dirtiness... the realism. I can understand that. The thing is though, at what point in the production of these kinds of things does intentionally not being clean become more than just a harmless sexual fantasy of wanting to see "reality", and turn into an unacceptable health risk for the performers in the industry?

Once again, it's not the fantasies or the desire to see certain things that I have issue with, it's the question of whether it's responsible to actually produce these fantasies, and what is an acceptable level of risk. For those who like analogies, some people might want to see football without the body armer that the players wear these days, and some players might even be insane enough to want to play that way, but does that mean it's the best idea to do it?

But independent of all that, I still think there are vast reserviors of unexplored ideas and excitement to be had in porn, and I do stand by my original post in that regard--which basically paraphrased says : Do we really NEED filthy anal in porn?

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I'm partial to the odd analingus and A2M and for me that requires the girl's bum to be as squeaky clean as she can get it.

I don't particularly mind if some lube drips out before an A2M but it absolutely has to be clean.
In ATM Machine some lube drips out of Ashley Long onto Ben English's cock and she proceeds to do the A2M.
In Les Perversions Cyanara takes a string of three large beads from Brandi's ass into her mouth while they're still dripping with lube.
In both cases it actually looked kinda hot.
But the mere though of the lube having a brownish tint? Yuck!!!

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There seems to be a lot of emphasis on the acts themselves and the irrefutable proof offered that it was performed than in the purely sexual aspect of say, willful surrender, or debauched encouragement, or lustful demanding.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you can show me people fucking all day long, and I'll never get wood, but show me a woman who gazes into the camera with the right look in her eyes, or speaks in a certain tone of voice, and says all the right things, and teases me with her body, and I'm not just hard, I'm coming before any penetration has occurred.

I find the concept of sex, the promise of sex, the anticipation, tension, and the conscious letting go of all the world's worries save slaking desire to be hot, exciting, and a celebration of lechery for the sake of it.

Why have sex at all? Just because it feels good? That's not enough! I do it because I want to, sure, but I need to sometimes, I can't help myself, and not because I want to see poo on my dick or watch bubbles get blown with my load.

I understand porn is a visual medium, however, one of the hottest things I ever "saw" was in a Seymore flick: Seymore's having an orgasm, his dick is deep in his partner's throat, her eyes looking up at him as she swallows his load, and we see nothing of the act except her throat muscles working and hear him moaning "oh my god, she's swallowing it, every drop of it, right down her throat", while she's moaning convincingly the entire time, too, as though she can't help herself. WOW!

That was a magical porn moment for me. Can we have more like that?

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It wouldnt even have to go so far as dirty a2m, just naturally dirty fucking would be interesting in itself. I mean come on, who here wouldnt go out and buy a movie with Katja's beautiful butt getting a messy assfuck?????

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Has anyone seen that one with Rocco doing two Euro hotties and one really deeply reams the other's gaping asshole, this one has loads of anal, a2ogm, spitting in ogm, but that reaming scene is pretty amazing. Still, if it was dirty, I'd be hitting the stop button. I know it's a contradiction, but when the Hershey Highway starts showing chocolate, I'm thinking "Get her some Listerine"!

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I'm minded of the times in my porn watching life i have been most aroused and most fascinated by what I've seen on screen and almost always it has been where the element of the unexpected has hung over proceedings; films or scenes where I at least felt that what was to come next was not a given.
Compare this to what is being discussed here:
1) The status quo where all anally oriented action is engineered, and in many cased edited, to appear as sanitary as can be.
2) The suggested alternative where scenes are instead engineered to provide a dirty shit-stained outcome somewhere along the line.

Can you not see my point? Part of the 'fun' of so much in porn comes from the spontaneous and yet even in a thread such as this nearly everybody seems concerned to engineer the scene one way or the other.

My own view is that if a girl normally gives herself 500 enemas before a scene she should do so. I believe directors should not set out to manufacture these messy 'bloopers'. However, what I don't understand is why when things happen in the natural course of filming it is deemed necessary to edit them out: if 'shit happens' then let it stand.

No way on earth would I criticise Katja for her reticence to suck a messy dick but I would personally much rather see her refusal and the guy dutifully trudging off set to clean up than for the whole thing to be edited out because it didn't fit in with the narrow narrow remit of the scene.

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Anal sex may be cool but wait till a girl farts a stream of poo on you.

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Is it a very common thing? Every once in a while I think I catch little glimpses or hints that there was a problem but they edited it out. I got that impression with Giselle in Multiple P.O.V. when Katsumi takes her second ATOGM.

I have only had anal sex twice in my life, and both times it was with my current girlfriend. So I wouldn't know much about what usually happens. It didn't last very long the first time because it hurt her.

The second time it hurt her also, but I have to be honest, it wouldn't have lasted long anyway because the second I got in there and felt her anus around me, I came immediately. And I can usually hold indefinitely, but that just felt too good.

Anyway, do messy accidents happen often? Is there a great deal of poo footage that stayes on the cutting room floor, or doesn't get filmed at all because the camera gets stopped?

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