When Meatholes ended, it left a void that hasn't been filled yet to this day. This is a question for rough degradation enthusiasts, not trying to start a debate.
Facial Abuse, Ghettogaggers, etc are degrading and rough scenes, but they've carved their own way and deserve the appropriate respect for that. Those sites are well worth the money and I suggest you subscribe if its your niche.
Meatholes was different, and I can't pinpoint exactly why. I was a fan from the first scene and really miss the productions. I don't know why it ended and became censored, but I'm sad it did.
The first Meatholes scene I ever saw was Taylor Rain's scene, and I remember it like it was yesterday. Watching this girl who was pretty enough to be on 300 box covers getting slapped/spit in the face, getting her tits slapped until they were bright red, and getting a dirty shoe stepped on her pussy was just amazing. When she broke down into tears, I knew I wasn't ever going to cancel my subscription if they kept delivering these scenes. Pissmops was a nice add on as well, along with Anal Lick Fest. Everything that Khan Tusion did was just great pornography if you were into degradation.
Taylor Rain's tears after being slapped unexpectedly, Nikki Hunter's mental breakdown, Tory Lane's freakout and having blisters on her hands from jerking guys off all day, Lisa Marie getting an unexpected fart in her mouth, and other pioneering moments of porn in the early 2000s made this series one of the best ever made.
I loved it and I really miss it. Is there any studio out that has a similar series out or one that plans to? Even the old meatholes episodes are censored and made less raw, which sucks.
good luck having that today with the utra PC world we're living in... most of hat is subversive today is just illusion of it, looks alike. Even fantasies are criticized and censored, the thought of it being considered as amoral (and i don't talk about some really criminal or malign fantasies). If today someone were to do that, it will be crucified by the mainstream commentators as well as the amateur one, we can already see in here how people clearly disaproves certains type of porn and here they're not like the public that is not knowing of this medium. Even relaitively minor fantasies are being downplayed in this post "rise of the social medias" and "metoo" period, as for example the fantasy of seing a girl getting actually paid (i mean, seing the money, the negociation and her taking the money) to accept to do some fuck... is super downplayed compared to the last 5 to 15 years... so rough sex with a raw side, jesus, you'll have more chance to invent a time machine than to expect that to happen again soon..
I understand completely and feel the same way. Even Facial Abuse is not what it used to be. What made Meatholes and original FA so good was that it was true humiliation porn. The scenes took the girl right to the edge of running away. It was authentic. Today much of the humiliation scenes are acted, over acted, or just pretend. If the model just sits there and welcomes piss is that really humiliation? Of course not. The fish hooking, slapping, and spit and hair pulling and aggressive guys made that site and old FA site the best porn ever.
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studrams Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 13 2020 : 5:51AM
The ''metoo'' movement is hypocrisy at it's finest, most of the complainants had no problem with a few minutes on their knees or their backs when it came to getting a role that made them millions. Jailing Harvey Weinstein achieves nothing, there'll always be guys in a position of power who'll take advantage of it and there'll always be women prepared to go the extra yard to get what they want. FA and HUHS are good but l always have an underlying thought that the girls are well aware of what's about to happen to them though it might be a fair bit harder than what they expected, Pissmops and Meatholes always had a harder, edgier feel to them.
Just to give a woman's perspective, I think there's definitely a place for authentically rough, degrading and humiliating porn that pushes the envelope. That's where great art is made: at the edge. As a black woman, I applaud the guys who run Ghetto Gaggers and have the utmost respect for the sisters who perform in their shoots. I have a casual friend who did GG and she said it was the most emotionally, mentally and physically challenging thing she ever did, but now that she's on the other side of it she's proud of that shoot and has no regrets about it at all.
I guess I come down on the opposite end of the spectrum from the PC / MeToo crowd but as a woman I can tell you it takes a lot of strength and courage to do a shoot like GG. And I agree it's disappointing that even sites that advertise themselves as catering to rough, degradation enthusiasts do tend to water their stuff down a bit. Sometimes it has a rehearsed or faux domination feel to it.
I would definitely join the campaign to bring back authentically rough, degrading porn. It's not supposed to be mainstream, but it speaks to a part of our psyches that never sees the light of day in mainstream society. That's why it's important from an artistic standpoint to document that part of the human experience. Believe it or not, there are some women who genuinely enjoy rough, degrading sex that pushes them past their self-imposed boundaries. And for a woman that's true liberation.
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051 Mellli Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 4 2020 : 4:15PM
Thanks for doing what you do, Duke. There's alot of us out here that love and it appreciate it, and I'm sure it reflects in your subscription numbers.
One of my favorite Meatholes site was the Midnight Prowl where the girls would have sex with a lot of sketchy looking civilian guys and visibly and genuinely enjoyed it. What made the site enjoyable was the humorous commentary by Frank Sullivan (aka Frank Wank, I think the brother of Frank Tusion). I miss that guy. It was the only series that looked raw and gritty with the sex taking place in the backroom of sex shops and run down motels with men whom I would not be surprised had a lengthy rap sheet. The only website that had a similar premise was Bangbros' Fuck Team Five, which was a tamer version where the girls were in control, but even that site had stopped production, and were using industry guys pretending to be regular amateurs. I've been trying to track down some of the content from MidnightProwl and the rest of the Meathole series but it's been next to impossible because the affiliates they have sold their content to have also disappeared. Some of the series never had a DVD release either.
Man, writing this makes me really long for the porn days of 2004-2009.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 5 2020 : 2:16AM
As mentioned most of Khan's videos are available easily on VOD so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.
Midnight Prowl's entire schtick was ripped off of Jamie Gillis' seminal gonzo-on-street series On the Prowl, as the very name suggests.
Gillis as both performer and director makes Tusion look like the pretentious twat he always was. The sleazy extremes of the 70s and early 80s porn of Costello, Davian, Prince, Colt and DeRenzy make the 'extremes' of the early 2000s from Max, Rob Black and Khan pale in comparison.
I remember well the rimming scene where Sandra Romain brushed off Khan's babble mid-scene and he wilted into dumb silence. I think the real reason he electronically distorted his voice by dropping it down an octave or two was because if you ever heard him clean he was as threatening sounding as Woody Allen on helium.
In terms of modern porn Jake Malone's Be My Bitch, Fuck Slaves, Crimes of the Cunt and Bitchcraft series always struck me as more intense, sexy, rough and transgressive than Khan's contrived BS. Ditto early Mason like Mason's Sexual Disorder, Riots Sluts 1 and 2 .
More recently Kink's Public Disgrace, Bound Gangbangs and Hardcore Gangbangs are also more intense and rough with humiliation scenarios that are still hot instead of the often limp-dicked lethargy that is the most memorable element of MH. Khan's constant yapping behind the camera also disrupts any flow or heat between the performers, as annoying as those early Bang Bros. videos where Preston wouldn't shut the fuck up and let people fuck.
Do you know where I can watch Jamie Gillis' stuff, or for that matter, the 70s and 80s work you mentioned? Is Rob Black's material still available to watch? Also, what about Mason's early movies?
I don't get off on most of this stuff, but it is interesting to watch. I do like Jake Malone's work, though.
The original On the Prowl was distributed directly through Jamie Gillis himself until his passing. I don't know if anyone has purchased the rights, or who they would even go through to do so. The rest of the first series was distributed by Sin City, who I don't believe has released them into the digital age yet. The second series "Back" is distributed by Vivid, who has put it out on VOD and on their AdultTime channel.
A lot of Shaun Costello, Phil Prince, Joe Davian, Alex deRenzy, and Zebedy Colt's work is available on DVD and VOD (although in very varying quality). Mr. Mustard (Richard Mailer -- but seek out the Mr. Mustard work) and Brian O'Hara are probably worth checking out too (most of Brian O'Hara's work is currently falsely attributed to Prince).
Some of Extreme Associates' old movies have been rereleased by an outfit called Sinister TV (who I assume is Black but could be wrong) on VOD. I don't know if any of Black's films are in their releases or not.
Are you looking for the movies that Rob shot himself or only the movies that were released under the Extreme Associate banner? In either case it's possible to see many of them but you will need an AEBN, an Hot Movie account and some cash for steaming porn. If you are truly interested then visit IAFD and search for Rob Black and then search for Extreme Associates. You will get the links for those movies on the above mentioned platforms.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 7 2020 : 9:21AM
Depends on the film, I don't think most of them are that rough. It was Forced Entry (not to be confused with Costello's very disturbing film of the same name, available on DVD from Afterhours Cinema but for pretty high prices these days) that sparked the case but I've never seen it.
If you like Jake Malone you should dig early Mason, Riot Sluts 1 and 2, Mason's Dirty Trixxx are available on Hotmovies.com and possibily other VOD services. You may also dig her Annette Schwarz is Slutwoman 1 and 2.
Have you seen videos like Animal Trainer 8 and Rocco's Way to Love by Rocco or Joey Silvera's Kink and Service Animals series? Not always heavy on humiliation but often rough, intense and kiny.
The 70s and 80s films have narratives, sometimes pretty slight, the most extreme ones featuring Gillis are probably the infamous Waterpower (available on Hotmovies.com and other VOD from Historic Erotica although I'm unsure if it is uncut, Alpha France also put it out on a great quality DVD with DeRenzy's crazy Femmes de Sade but I think it is out of print and probably goes for high prices these days) and Winterheat, which is available from Vinegar Syndrome.
In the 80s and 90s as Flash says Jamie did the Back on the Prowl video for Vivid which are also up on Hotmovies. He did a number of BDSM videos for various companies at that time as well for companies like Redboard and early Elegant Angel that are also available legit online last time I looked.
I actually discovered those Redboard videos because Mason recommended them to me. They are shot on video so the look may be an issue but are worth watching for the intense SM performances I think.
He did some personal videos that he self-distributed that are infamous in their nastiness, they sound too much to me and I don't think they're available legit anywhere although there is a book about them called Pure Filth that I have.
Prince's most extreme and best film I think is Taming of Rebecca, available on Hotmovies with a triple feature of other BDSM, quality is a bit rough but better than the old bootlegs.
Some of Colt's films may be too extreme to be released by anyone today (Unwilling Lovers, Sex Wish) but then we actually got a DVD release of Costello's aforementioned Forced Entry on DVD so anything is possible.
Vinegar Syndrome did put out Colt's Affairs of Janice which is relatively tame until the crazy fisting scene at the end. His Farmer's Daughters, which has some really extreme content, got a surprisingly decent quality release but I can't remember the company, it most definitely isn't the Gourment Video. In general only Vinegar Syndrome reliably puts out good quality releases of the old roughies.
To pat362, I'm checking out all Extreme Associates content.
To BlackSix, I've heard of early Mason, especially Sexual Disorder. I'll look into it. I've seen Rocco's Way to Love, but I'll look for Service Animals and Animal Trainer 8.
Thanks for all of your suggestions. I have some exploring to do!
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 7 2020 : 7:27PM
Yep and pretty kinky with lots of hot performers. Sorta like Max but without the consent issue but much better shot, not as strangely gynecological and not heavy on the puke and piss.
I don't know where one would find EA these days, Black did much tamer work since and may not want the stuff associated with putting him away, even tangently, circulating.
A really interesting, intelligent, and informative set of responses.
Despite being an established sub-genre of BDSM, rough sex has suffered increasing levels of censure and censorship from the literal and narrow minded, who presumably also believe that large numbers of samurai were injured or mutilated during the making of 'Kill Bill'.
Nice to see what this site can yield when people are finally given the space to breathe rather than being hectored and sermonised.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 24 2020 : 3:57AM
I found it could change from scene to scene, if the performer was experienced at S&M you got a much different scene than when they weren't. I checked iafd and was surprised to see the series ran until 2008, I guess after the pseudo-shock died down the series continued with little notice.
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SpeedBoozer Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 30 2020 : 3:39AM
Ultra PROUD to claim Jamie as a profound top mentor...Always avuncular he was an erudite gentleman scumbag...I miss him regularly I also miss the regular gangbangs he would throw for his homies I remember being 30 years younger than everyone happy as a motherfucking clam...
Just wanted to add that his book 'Pure Filth' is required reading for any fan or admirer.. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13236856-pure-filth
Ahem...I just wished Khan (or for that matter Gosling with Max) would have just given props! Thats all a public acknowledgement...Its not like Jamie wasn't available for at least a cameo in those early days...We rapped ALL about Ed but never Khan...He knew his influence and was fine being copied just not denied. Supposably Michael Khan is another name Khan uses to film one on one abuse scenes the OP might also dig...
ANY THING BY CHICO WANG the OP will dig start with the "cody lane blue room" scene to get your feet wet...
French stuff can be powerful especially the solo generation x stuff by director Vince Banderos and way crazier and more fucked off is SUBWAY INTERACTIVE PRODACTIONS from Berlin...Imagine John Thompson had a couple of Sadistic retarded younger brothers who insisted on wearing cowboy hats...IMHO That Subway shit is the strongest hardest legal porn in the world today and its directed by Simon Thaur also owner of popular sex dance club KitKatKlub..
Right on to the OP
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SpeedBoozer Deactivated User
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Posted - May 30 2020 : 10:06PM
Oh and you should check out this creepy AF Elderly SuperMario looking fuck with his (now defunct) company PERVERX...Edgy edgy edgy-
And "Don't say a word" is cheeseball rapeporn from Italy that is actually also kinda cool...
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SpeedBoozer Deactivated User
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Posted - May 30 2020 : 10:18PM
Steve Sweet "Sweet Auditions' 'Fisting Lessons' was a prolific shooter out of Vancouver who got popped up there at the same time for essentially the same shit as Max...So think a young beanie wearing Max...
The first 20 or 30 'BackRoom Facials' (owned by BangBros I believe) feature the amazing LOU as the casting interviewer a horrible abuser you are sure to love...I wonder what happened to good old LOU anyone know???
Chico Wang showed me early Meatholes trailers in late 2003. The Ashley Blue clip still haunts me. No idea if a site like that, or a person like Khan, would be able to exist in today's climate.
I wonder the same. Part of me thinks it couldn't because of social advances but part of me also recognizes that we're at a pretty low point in civility. I can't say that I've ever thought about doing physical harm to someone in the porn business, but I'd make an exception for Khan. From everything I've read he was a terrible human.
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miller89 Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 25 2021 : 9:36AM
It's a shame nothing has come along with the same energy as meatholes. Facial abuse is probably the closest but as others have mentioned it's certainly it's own thing- initially more focused on the puking aspect and using that, along with degrading comments and questions to really test the girls that found themselves on the couch.
With meatholes it wasn't unusual for it to take 15 - 20 minutes for the real action to start, with the Khan interview being given time to really take centre stage- I can't think of another site that has done something like that since.
I loved how grimy and just seedy everything seemed with meatholes- the dirty couch complete with cum and sweat stains from previous scenes really set the stage for what was to come.
I'd love a re-boot but I can't see anything like meatholes coming back. The calibre of girls that agreed to take the plunge with them- stars like Tory Lane, Sativa Rose, Eva Angelina, Taylor Rain and others just wouldn't be replicated- they were all pretty big stars! Can you imagine girls like Emily Willis, Riley Reid or Abella Danger putting themselves through the meatholes experience today?
