With the demise of Anabolic/Diabolic, the Maestro needs a new company to fill in his 3rd slot of fave porn companies, and Platinum X seems promising.
I have always been fond of Luciano/Stefano's work, but am wondering exactly how hard the sex is in this series. Any info, or a brief reviw would be appreciated.
I've skimmed through this release... A/V quality seems high, but the movie itself does not seem that impressive. Not to be mean, but the girls are not the prettiest bunch you'll see (aside from Ann Harlow). Another downside (personal preference) is that there's no anal in the film. I'm still unbelieving, maybe I skipped by it in my skimming of the movie, but I was expecting more hardcore stuff from Stefano. Instead I got an all-teens, all-pussy movie with ugly teens.
A disappointment.
On the bright side, Brandon's series look great (I Love It Rough was fantastic, a raincoater's dream), and the trailer for Jewel's Wild On Sex is very promising.
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jewel denyle Platinum X Pictures
769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 16 2003 : 1:16PM
Well if you want washed up jaded porn broads in pigtails pretending to be teen we can do that but we used real teens. And sorry but most new 18yr old girls don't take it in the ass yet I didn't until I was 21 so there you have it. The sex is strong and these little girls get it hard!!!
I don't want excuses, it was just a personal preference thing. I just assumed there would be some anal in the movie, especially given Stefano's history. I mean, let's look at RLD's Just Over Eighteen, or Anabolic's Bring Um Young. They had prettier young women than in Teens Revealed, who did anal and DPs.
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jewel denyle Platinum X Pictures
769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 16 2003 : 8:06PM
I know the girls that are in those movies and sorry but most are in there early 20's and they say teen but I know them and they are not under 21 most of the girls. All the girls we used are 18 at the oldest 19 we do not use fake teens. We could but we don't we want real teen sex. And when we travel to Europe we will get more teens who do anal but over here there is a shortage of good teen girls that do everything. But over all it is all real raw teen sex no filler twenty something broads pretending to be teen. If we wanted to we could of hired the DP girls like Taylor Rain who is 20,Catalina who is 25 or Aurora Snow who is 22 or let's do Monica Sweetheart who is 24 and pretend they are teen. NOT!!! They should be doing hot sex movies but not teen stuff. Leave the teen stuff up to the real teen girls. It's a fantasy not every fucking thing has to be anal it'a about young girls!!! DUH....
I can see your point Jewel. There are so many hot series that stars like Aurora or Monica could do and it really is funny trying to pass them off as Teens, now if you're talking college cheerleaders then you got my vote!!! Use the fresh young girls for the teen line and if the sex is hot and we get an awesome facial to close the scene I could care less if there's anal in it. If the girls like to do it at that age fine but concentrate on giving us hot sex first and foremost!!
I've been looking at it tonight, and I thought it was pretty hot. The girls are allowed some personality on screen, and there's some bid for "chemistry," at least. Not every scene clicked for me, but the first and the last were pretty damn good. Yeah, it could veer deeper into raincoat territory, but the girls are fresh and sexy and that's enough for me. Really liked the little blonde with babyfat who was swapping spit with Malaysia in the opener, and the teasy business with the dildos. I could have picked up my 47th title featuring Melanie Jagger and Austin O'Riley shoving seven miles of copper tubing up every available opening, but I've seen that, like , 47 times, so it's just not that interesting to me anymore. I picked this up instead.
Hi, Michael Stefano here. Thanks, Skronker, for the support. It bothers me to no end to go out of my way to find REAL teens while other people use 20-something teens. I don't have a math degree, but teen means 18 or 19 in this business, not 25-teen, 26-teen! Those numbers just don't exist. Porn Maestro, tell me who you think deserves to be in TEENS REVEALED #2. If you can't think of anybody, perhaps you can look at Skeeter Kerkove's TEEN PATROL #3, which deservedly got a high rating on this very site. Let's see who the "teens" are in TEEN PATROL #3: Jasmine Klein (not a day under 30....the last year she was a true teen was 1991....1991!!!!!) Angel Long (I love her, but sorry, not a teen.) Jasmine Lynn (mid-20's, if we're telling the truth here) Rio (according the signed model release I have in front of me, this woman was born in 1980, making her 23 years old) Catalina (sorry...not a teen. Slutty, yes, but she's too old for bobby socks) Saphire Rae (her agent confirms to me that she is at least 22 years of age, making her old enough to vote, drink, etc.. My girls in TEENS REVEALED cannot drink alcohol in many states! Gimme a break, my friend!!)
In conclusion, let's compare apples with apples...or, as the case may be, teens with "teens." Porn Maestro, if you are a man of integrity (which I know you are), you will immediately contact Metro and demand that they stop misleading the consumer and properly re-name their series GERIATRIC TEENS!! Sincerely, Michael Stefano (As soon as I set up an e-mail account at platinumxpictures.com, you can tell me what Metro said back to you.) Thanks!
Gasp! You mean Sapphire Rae ISN'T a scant few weeks past her 18th birthday? My goodness, what mendacity.
However, she welcomes major pipe like a champ. Gotta say.
Edited by - skronker on 4/17/2003 2:46:59 PM
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 17 2003 : 3:10PM
See now you get why we laugh at these other companies doing teen movies with 20 something year old girls it's not real it's misleading. We are trying to do the real teen sex and believe me it is hard to find them and we get knocked for it. All I have to say we are shooting on the 22nd of this month on a girls 18th birthday and we have been planning this for months because this particular girl wanted to do a porn scene on her birthday now who else goes and takes the time to find girls like this? No one that I'm aware of we look for these girls because most of them don't last a week in porn because they are so young. But we are not going to look for anal girls and DP girls for the teen stuff it doesn't matter to us for this particular line we just want to keep it real or we can be like everyone else and do fake teen shit. But PXP is about keeping the sex real all killer no filler!!! Not all teens are beauty queens they are going through that aquward stage in life I've been there you think I looked like this at 18 not a chance..
..you should keep in mind that they are many of us that really, really would like to see a Teen video with beautiful teens being analed and dp'ed, I think you should try Budapest in the future and make something diferent 'cos usually Teen videos are just pussy fucking.
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 18 2003 : 2:20PM
We all are going to Europe and Brazil in the next few months to get the really young nasty teens. But when we shoot here you get real teens and if they don't do anal so what that's the way it is. Our nex release is Wild on Sex and it's very hardcore with DP's and Anal so no worries there is something for everyone.
She just did the brutally intense THROAT GAGGERS #4, which frankly astonished me (as I'm sure those bulging franks astonished her!), gagging, gulping, slurping, spitting, and oozing gallons of spit all over herself while having her gorgeous face walloped into submission by two huge cocks. So ... maybe she's ready for anal? That would be amazing, But since she got a new hairdo I'm all in love, which I never was before.
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Posted - Apr 18 2003 : 3:31PM
I hope so because as soon as she does interracial and anal she's all mine!!!
Well, I guess since there is an evident necessity to get 18 and 19 year olds, that's what happens. Anyways, I won't be buying that series anymore, but that's just a reflection of what I like to see in films.
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 19 2003 : 9:04PM
Are you sure Anna Belle takes it anal? I tried to get her and she said no way she doesn't do that? Maybe she did it once and didn't like it and never did it again I don't know but I asked and it was a very big NO!!! And if you want more hardcore anal movies from PXP check out our next month releases they are all hardcore with lot's of anal and DP'S.
Anna Belle does anal and interracial at the same time in Little White Chicks...Big Black Monster Dicks 17, released several months ago. Since then, she's done anal in Service Animals 12 or New Girls 2, anyway, it was a Joey Silvera movie. And she did it several times before this for RLD, as already mentioned. So what Jewel found must be a policy change for Anna Belle.
On Vivids website, in her Fresh Off the Bus interview, she said she would never do anal. But as already mentioned shes done it several times...and with really big dicks. So go figure, maybe she keeps changing her mind, but I think she could be convinced to do anal again. As for Teens Revealed...I cant wait to see Ann Harlow, she looks really fine.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Apr 19 2003 : 11:47PM
Why dont American teens do anal straight away? I would have thought every girl chosing to act in porn films has figured out that she is supposed to do anal by now!
Anyway, I did not know finding young capable anal-friendly talent was so difficult in the USA. Budapest must be such a better place to shoot porn than...
As for Anna Belle: Maybe the money PX offered her for that act was just too small?
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Posted - Apr 20 2003 : 4:25AM
I paid Anna Belle her rate she just said to me she wouldn't do anal I guess when I shot her she didn't like it or she did it and never wanted to do it again but my impression was that she totally didn't dig it so I didn't push the issue. I forgot she did interracial now maybe I'll have to seek her out for my next interracial movie. And I think young american girls aren't exposed to anal straight away like European women. I know I wasn't until my 20's it just wasn't an issue. I got into anal because of porn then once I tried it I loved it and now it's a very comfortable thing not an issue. I think in Europe they are more exposed to sex to where as here in the states we tend to make it a nasty thing which it shouldn't be. I guess we're late bloomers in America.
As far as I know the only anal Anna Belle did for RLD was her first film for them, Raincoaters Point of View #2 and the cock belonged to Vince Voyeur. She also did the interracial line White Chicks Black Dicks #4 but no anal as I recall in that scene. As for other companies I haven't seen that other interracial line mentioned in a previous post. I look forward very much to the scene she shot for Platinum and hope they use her again. I love her body and she can have a bit of a saucy attitude in her scenes especially that first one she did for RLD had her being quite the talker.
As it occured to anyone that maybe Anna Belle just simply does not like anal sex and money is not going to change that? It is pretty clear she enjoys the sex she does perform on camera and that is good enough for me. Knowing a performer does not like a sex act or finds it uncomfortable and then seeing it performed by her takes a lot of the fun out of it. To perform an act to just perform an act takes all the energy & enjoyment out of a scene...at least to me. I think Anna Belle is one of the hottest women in porn right and proof that a girl can generate tons of heat without jumping through the porn circus act hoop. Ordered my copy of Teens Revealed today and am looking forward to...ahem...working my way through it. Best
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Posted - Apr 20 2003 : 2:22PM
I agree if I'm on set and a girl doesn't want to do something there is no way I make her or else I would end up with a very unhappy performance and I want it real and hardcore not just for the money. So in my opinion if any girl says NO then that's it I won't push the issue like some other people do. I've been on sets where a director has tried to push my buttons but I never do what I don't want to and that's that!! So I understand where the other female talent is comming from.
It might occur to me if it wasnt for the fact shes done it 5 times already. I have no problem with it if she changed her mind, im just saying shes done it before.
and maybe she has done it enough to learn that she does not really like it. People learn things and people change. Not saying that is the case with Anna Belle but maybe it is. Does not change the point though, performers are the ones who have to perform and they should not be pushed into doing something they don't want to do or don't like.
I guess I just don't get the porn fans for whom one particular act is the end-all, be-all. I was watching Rocco's Inititatons 6 the past couple of days and the point at which I get most turned-on wasn't during the extravagant multi-cock anal penetrations (which Rocco films better than anyone) but the moments where the tease leads into the first blowjob(s) ... the look on the girl's face, and the appearance of spontaneity, some aspects of eroticism , which I don't get at all from the mere sight of a cock plunging up a chick's ass (well, if the angle is wide enough to include her reaction, it is a turn-on). Yeah, it would have been better of Malaysia (in Teens Revealed) or Ann Harlow had opted for some rear entry ... but I was much more excited by watching her and Cherry (?) tongue kiss repeatedly, and by the uncertain, vulnerable expressions of Ann's face as Stefano and his accomplice hoisted her to and fro while freely docking with her mouth and pussy. And the whole fingers in the mouth/trash-talking bit that preceded the cumshots -- I love that, that makes me want to cum, right along with the fellas on screen. The psychology, the intensity and the look (in both senses) of the girl is what matters to me.
I was not talking about pushing a girl to do things she does not want to do. I was simply talking about the use of money as an incentive. I think most girls at least do it for the money, TOO. Therefore another price policy, like paying pussy only just quite low, but anal lets say 50% more could win lots of girls to do anal. As you Jewel have written yourself: Only porn made you appreciate anal. If you had been exposed to it, you would not have been waiting until 20 with it. I think the earlier the girls are exposed to all those practices, the better.
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 20 2003 : 9:23PM
I'm not saying it's all about offering the girl money to do more I pay them their rate and ask them what they do and what they don't do and that's that. I never ask anyone to do more then what is already explained to them from the very begining. As a performer myself I know what it's like and if you don't want to do something no matter how much money is offered it's not worth it if your not having fun. I only did what I liked on camera and most of the time I figured it out in my private life before it was on the screen. Some girls start off hardcore and nasty. Others it just takes time to explore and learn new things especially when they are new. I didn't start off hardcore and nasty I had to find my sexuality and explore it and when I became more comfortable with it I showed it off to the rest of the world. Some girls are built for porn others are not. That's why only a few remain and others come and go so frequently. I cannot begin to tell you the girls I've shot that are no longer around. That's why you have to get them straight away because tomorrow they could change their mind and be gone.
Just wanted to comment on the movie in question. Michael does a good job with Teens Revealed with the last two scenes starring Simone and Ann Harlow being the standouts for me. Kitty has an incredible ass but alas no anal for any of the ladies. That's fine, though, as the other action shot was pretty good. The fresh faces was nice to see and I hope we might see bustier girls in the second volume, just something about big breasts I love!!
I never said anything about Anna Belle being forced into something she didnt want to do. I agree, maybe she decided she didnt like it. Even watching Little White Chicks 17, Anna Belle has some of the worst fake orgasm screaming Ive ever heard. Its like a rhythm, right on cue. "ooh, ooh, ahh, ooh, ooh, ahh, ooh, ooh, ahh, ooh, ooh, ahh." Shes still one of the hottest Ive ever seen.
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 1:25AM
Because I let her be herself in Wild on Sex you'll see one of her best performances I think because it was real and she had a good time no pressure. The thing I like to do is let the talent do there thing without being told it makes for real sex and hotter scenes. All Anna Belle fans won't be disapointed to see her take on the Brandon Iron's cock believe me she has a great time. I love when a girl has fun that is such a turn on for me when it's real and not staged.
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 1:32AM
I was not saying that too. But you Jewel seem to deny that money is an incentice for most (or many) of these girls. Most of them will come to your casting because they need money. So payment policy might change their view on anal, better payment might make them more likely to try anal. I am not one of these naive consumers believing all those girls do all those acts just for their love of them.
Ideal would be to use money as an incentive to win them over to try something new, they - once they tried it - like to do on screen. Thus sometimes it seems to me the sole act of boy-girl maight be payed too much, the anal too little in proportion to that. So that for many American newcomers anal is not worth the extra work. Just a guess...
I think I have established a creditable record of never wanting to watch actresses pushed to do something they don't want to do. As futureofporn wrote above, I only wanted to point out that Anna Belle had done plenty of anal onscreen, and my impression was that it was fine with her. Apparently, it isn't now, and that is fine with me.
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 4:32PM
All make myself very clear I pay the girls their rate and I ask them what they do and don't do. And that's fine with me as long as I get a good scene I've been around the block and I know how to handle my female co-stars. Offering them more money doesn't mean shit if they are not into it. If they wanted to do it all they would have to do is give me their rate and I'd pay them and shoot them. It's not that hard to figure out. I will not explain this subject again this is how it works. I'm bored already with this crap I do quality porn unlike 90% of the shit that's out there and I'll put my movies up againt the top Gonzo companies. I get good talent with real sex and technicaly it's lit well and the camera work it great. All I can say is I know what I'm doing if you think you know more then run your own company. There is a reason I'm where I'm at in this business don't insult my intelligence as a director or perfomer.
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 7:31PM
Never wanted to do that. But you know as good as I (who might be not as naive aconsumer as some producers would like me to be) that no porn director will <just pay the girls the rates they ask for the acts they want to do>. Its all kind of a stock-trade rather, everything has to be agreed upn first. I bet you dont work that much different than all others. If so, if I was Anna Belle I would ask 1 Million $ for pussy only next time.
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Posted - Apr 21 2003 : 11:48PM
I can confirm for sure that Anna Belle did anal in both Raincoater #2 and in the last Black Dicks White Chicks.
I wanted to make a point in the argument about anal scenes in teen movies. In my opinion, this is why the majority of these teen-themed titles suck. I can count on one hand the number of non-anal scenes I have seen in the last year that worked for me. Yes, I like younger looking girls, but I want to see them take it in the ass. Pussy only, unless there is something truly exceptional about the scene, is just too vanilla. Maybe I'm just jaded? Well, okay, there's no argument about that, I'm definitely way too jaded. But all the same, from a business standpoint, anal is what sells, and if I were a porn producer, I would be putting my money in paying these girls whatever it takes to take it up the butt.
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Apr 22 2003 : 1:26AM
That's why I don't shoot Teen stuff I leave it up to Michael he likes it and it's his thing. I prefer Interracial,hardcore Girl/Girl and anal movies myself but that's what I'm into. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks I do know his movie is going off the shelf like hot cakes because there is a market for it. If I could get the young ones to do more hardcore then I would like it I think. I'm just into strong sex. But as far as a real teen movie is concerned I think he did a good job. He's into all diffent kinds of girls and Teens happens to be one of them so I feel everyone should do what they like that's what makes them unique. I'm sure the hard edge folks will enjoy me and Mason.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Apr 22 2003 : 2:08AM
I think I share not (yet!) quite the same anal-fixation like you, but all in all I think you got it right. Also me, I tend to enjoy more and more anal the longer I watch porn. Anal sure is fashion in porn at the moment and it is fashion because it sells. And it sells because customers want it. Now what I still do not understand is why producers dont set the pussy-only fares they are prepared to pay, just so low, that intelligent newcomer figures out that she at least has to try out anal if she wants to earn some good money. Immagine boy-girl pussy-only payed only 200$, but anal 400$ - with such payment policy even US-teens were more than prepared to at least give anal a try. And hopefully they would just like it, and carry on visibly enjoying it in their further career...
Maybe we should just make everyone happy and a have an "All-Teen ALL-Anal" Series.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Apr 22 2003 : 2:52AM
Only 1, futurofporn?!
I still think the earlier a teen newcomer is exposed to anal, the better it is for her. Any girl should at least feel she wants to give it a try.
Producers, directors and porn agents can instigate that or (as Jewel seems to do) dont care about instigating it.
Edited by - Shameless on 4/22/2003 2:53:30 AM
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Posted - Apr 22 2003 : 11:46PM
I mostly agree. I hope the dollar figures you're quoting are Moscow adjusted however. I think, to a certain extent, that the pussy-only rate and the anal-rate exists already, but just aren't talked about a whole lot. Also, these things tend to be held somewhat close to the vest by the various porn companies. I know when the subject of what girls makes came up a few months ago, there weren't any clear answers and one of the reasons for that is that companies don't like to make public what they pay girls for various types of scenes. Every now and then you hear that so-and-so made a certain dollar amount for a scene, but it's hard to know what the truth is. I think the reality is that the demand for anal is such that most girls either have to do it eventually or find another line of work, which is what a lot of them choose to do. The truly beautiful, knock-out gorgeous ones can stay for a while doing pussy-only, but eventually the demand for them goes down as well and they either have to give up the ass or get out. One caveat to that, however, is that many of the most beautiful women are able to sign contracts with Vivid, JKP, etc.
If it were me, with very, very few exceptions, I just wouldn't invest my resources in non-anal scenes. It isn't a question of forcing or pressuring someone to do something they don't want to do. Rather, it's simply having the willingness to pass on hiring somebody for the scene. It's really just that simple. Right now, new girls get a honeymoon period where they don't have to do it and people will still hire them. For the most part, I would not unless she was knockout gorgeous, completely new to the industry, and/or had some type of screen prescence that made her really stand out.
