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pinkincide
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229 Posts
1/03
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 6:36AM
We all know what finally put April's butt in play--Zero Tolerance shelling out plenty of green. Makes you wonder what other stars might do for the right price. What I'd like to see is a purer form of supply and demand where porn fans can directly vote with their wallets to see their favorite stars perform specific acts. Something far more direct and more lucrative for the girls than tallying up video sales.

Imagine an online wanted list posted by some interprising porn company. Porn fans could vote with their credit cards for a girl to do sex act X within a certain time frame. If she does it, the cards get charged, she gets the cash, and the production company takes its cut. If she doesn't, the cards don't get charged. Many of us already trust even the sleaziest porn shops with this system when we leave credit deposits for rentals.

Imagine checking a website periodically to see what the current, collective bid totals (call them "bounties") to see Jenna Haze do ATM. Or for April to do DP. Or for Vanessa Chase to come back (I'd get a 2nd job to sponsor that one).

I could see the bounties for some of these things going through the roof (not to mention the web traffic). Would April have done anal years ago for say...$20,000? It would only take a couple rich, eccentric porn freaks--their nicks and dollar amounts posted for bragging rights--to crank up the bounties. Porn fans are already collectively spending billions on this stuff. Might as well pool some of that finacial leverage to get what we want. And the girls would make out like bandits if they played it right--"I'll do anal...but not for less than $10 grand".

And why limit it to porn stars? Will Cindy Margolis suck a cock for the right price? I say, LET'S FIND OUT!

Frigo
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 7:18AM
interesting idea
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 8:50AM
True, but it could have also happened years ago if only 4,000 average, run-of-the-mill porn fans were willing to pay an average of $5.00 each. The more hits that such a website gets, the more likely that large amounts of money could be raised with a low average cost per porn fan (the advantage of volume).

This is a very innovative idea. It could provide strong financial incentive to get women to do their first anal, DP, DPP (DV), DAP, cream pie, interracial, interracial/anal, etc.

Btw, I think this idea would work best if the porn fan contributors' identities were NOT disclosed.

Pontus

Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 11:03AM
I love capitalism. That's a very interesting idea indeed. It sure would have cut domn the production cost of Ass Cleavage 2.
lindi
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9/02
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 11:27AM
I think it might work as a novelty a few times.

The girls that hold out for years will have a huge pot of money, instead of the smaller one they get if they do it sooner, so the monetary incentive will lead them to hold out and watch the jackpot grow.

But then I imagine other girls saying, "if she got $10,000, why should I do it for any less?", and prices going up the way they have for basketball players, for the really incredible girls. And still, all the incentive is to hold out for more.

And then what girl is going to do it for you for free, and whose daughter will bother with college? Before you can say 'pulsating penis,' it's the end of our entire social system as we know it.

 
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3/02
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 11:34AM
Jenna J would be able to retire on a single anal, that's for sure. I think I'd prefer the actress posting her price for act X and then the fans could meet it if they so desired. Also, I think this would work better for actresses that have their own web sites. They could finance their own movie to perform the act in, thus avoiding the complications a bidding system would introduce into the production cycle for companies like Zero Tolerance.
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 11:46AM
Not true, Lindi, remember this part:
The offer could just be for one year, or six months, or even less time. Pinkincide's idea is actually quite revolutionary. I hate to see it get shot down so quickly. I wish a porn studio would at least try this idea without dismissing it out of hand.

Dion? John? Mike Quasar? Tom Byron? Somebody?!!!!

Pontus

P.S. Props to Mike Quasar and Zero Tolerance for April's first anal. I've ordered that movie and it's due to arrive tomorrow!

lindi
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9/02
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 2:05PM
Yes, but when the offer runs out, will the fans simply decide to be uninterested in seeing her do anal? Or will the bidding start again, with people prompted to bid a little higher this time? I still see girls holding out. The only reason you want to see some of them so badly is because they haven't done it yet. And once they do, their leverage is gone.
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 2:43PM
Lindi, I went back and read your initial post again, as well as the above post, and you really do raise some excellent points. Yes, you're absolutely right, Lindi, upon more reflection, I think this idea could indeed backfire in many ways.

Oh well, back to the ol' drawing board (unless someone has some good solutions to the potential problems that Lindi pointed out). Good job, Lindi.

Pontus

lindi
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 2:56PM
My pleasure!
Beeone
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7/01
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 3:02PM
Well, if she doesn't accept the offer, then the consumers can easily move on to some other new girl and the original girl will end up without any money. It would be kinda risky for the girl herself..how can she be sure the fans are going to make a better offer?. And if we're actually talking about ~$20000 here I don't think many of the girls will be waiting another year hoping to maybe get $25000, especially since most girls don't stay in the business that long.

Edit: One problem could be that if the girls start receiving huge amounts of money to do anal for example then new girls that would otherwise be willing to do anal would instead wait a while to see if they can get a decent amount of money from the fans first.

Edited by - Beeone on 8/7/2003 4:56:43 PM

shailen
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9/01
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 9:32PM
what did April get paid for her anal scene?
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 9:38PM
From what I read, $5,000. I think that's what Tom Byron mentioned in another thread.

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Porn Scout
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10/02
Posted - Aug 7 2003 : 11:04PM
Didn't she say this would be her one and only anal, or something to that effect? So, at this point, the question in my mind is how quickly does the average porn chick run through $5,000 and who's willing to pay $4,000 for April's second anal?
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 12:39AM
I think April was very smart to build a huge fan base over a few years yet deny them what they most wanted to see. This strategy virtually guaranteed a huge payday for her first anal scene when she decided to do it and though I'm not at liberty to divulge exactly what the negotiated fee was, the rumors are basically correct. Whether she continues to command a ridiculous dollar amount for her anus remains to be seen. She's definitely worth it but porn math being what it is, I don't know how cost effective it would be to drop several thousand on her SECOND anal scene. My guess is that eventually the price will drop to a more reasonable level, still higher than most girls but in the realm of porno reality.

 
shameless
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1/03
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 1:57AM
I dont want to dismiss Aprils marketing efforts not her marketing sucess, but if pussy-only was payed 300$ instead of 700$, April would most likely have given up her ass lots a time before, for the simple fact that restricting her performance to pussy-only would not have been that profitable.
Aprils case is just another proof that pussy-only is payed way too good.

Besides: VERY intriguing idea, pinkincide! I really like that bidding-idea. On the other side I am afraid of all the possible consequences Lindi wrote about.

Harri Patel
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3/03
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 2:09AM
$5,000 doesn't exactly seem like a "huge payday" to me.

Couldn't she have done much better by self-producing the video, hyping the hell out of it in every internet forum known to man to generate as much advanced buzz and pre-orders as possible, then selling it exclusively from her fan club or some website set up for the purpose? I would have to think she could sell a couple thousand copies right off the bat, at maybe $30 per. As long as she didn't start doing anal scenes in other movies, I would think that she could continue selling it on the web, at dance appearances, trade shows, video store signings, etc.

shameless
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1/03
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 2:19AM
Not really, no.

Its about 5-8 normal anals worth. But sure there is a certain marketing effect difficult to measure in $$$ to add. Just remeber all that hype about her finally giving up her ass. This will also boost her non-anal sales, I bet.

jrv
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1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 4:15AM
April is a pretty unusual case.

1. She's been in porn for five years. That's almost forever. Most girls are gone (for the first time) by the time their releases hit the market.

2. April still has good looks and is in great shape several years later.

3. I think ZT got a very good performance from April for their money. How many other girls who've held out that long will do that well? Would you agree to $X for most girls hoping that she would give a good first scene?

Finally, how many porn babes plan a career over the span of years? "What's for dinner" is about the horizon for most people I know.

Earlier in her career April appeared in numerous videos from companies that produced harder content and in quite a few scenes where other girls did the anal and April was the hot babe. It will be a little trickier now for ZT, RLD, etc to cast her in nominally anal-themed videos and scenes where she does not do anal, assuming she does want to shoot for companies other than Vivid on a regular basis. That may not be a good assumption: time will tell.

jrv
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2/03
Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 4:56AM
All that takes time and a lot of effort (who's going to make those thousand tapes or master the DVD?).

If she wants $5,000 by Friday it's a lot faster to pick up the phone and negotiate with ZT/etc for a few minutes. I would assume she got paid the money on the day the scene was shot whereas ZT had to wait 60+ days for that much revenue (until the video shipped AND distributors paid the bill).

Does April feature dance? I would figure that would be a fast way to make some money. I would imagine she puts on a pretty good show.

Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 8 2003 : 10:36AM
I loved reading that, jrv! My copy of Ass Cleavage 2 is due in today.

Pontus

Happy jacking, ya'll.

Porn Scout
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Posted - Aug 9 2003 : 6:20PM
April is a hot chick, no doubt about it, and if she wants to continue her porn career as an anal queen, she could make a heck of a lot of money in a pretty short period of time. I posed the hypothetical question earlier "who's willing to pay $4,000 for April's second anal scene?" This was intended to be at least partially facetious. However, my understanding is that $1700 is a fairly accurate ballpark figure for a reasonably popular porn chick to take it up the ass. I would guess, for example, that Monica Sweetheart probably gets something around that when she comes to the states to shoot porn. If that's the case, and let's just assume that it is, it would seem pretty reasonable for April to get something in the range of $2,500 per anal scene right now, and if she managed her career correctly, she could probably maintain that rate for a while.

Something else I find interesting is the effect her doing an anal scene might have on her overall popularity and other sources of income, such as feature dancing, which jrv mentioned earlier, or magazine work. Does she have her own website and if so, how will this scene boost her income from that? Would she consider going to Nevada to work at the bunnyranch for a while and what would her rate be there?

Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 9 2003 : 6:28PM
April's official website is currently under construction. It has been fully operational in the past (I was once a member of it), but it's not up and running at the moment (the time of this post).

Pontus

tpr007
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7/01
Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:21AM
that site seems to be working now.

What are people's impressions of her scene?

Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 10:48AM
I thought it was a great scene (well performed, shot, and edited). Two ADT reviewers so far have reviewed Ass Cleavage 2: Dumblonde (gave it 5 out of 5 stars) and Bono-ONE (gave it 4.5 out of 5 stars). You can read their reviews by doing a review search of the movie.

Pontus

 
Frigo
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7/02
Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 3:02AM
I dont know if anyone else consideres that scene good or not but I love it because it is April doing anal !!!



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