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TwoDirection Member 105 Posts 10/15	Posted - Aug 21 2016 : 1:04PM I was reading a post 6 years ago in this section that said this about women working with crossover stars "A lot of female performers care because of a perceived increased risk of HIV from working with male performers who also do gay scenes. When they communicate their concerns to directors, the directors end up not wanting to schedule the male performer who does cross over work. And who can blame them? Male performers are a dime a dozen. Whether it's fair or not, the porn industry is extremely discriminatory in this regard. Female performers are encouraged to explore bisexuality. Male performers are not." Ryan Driller did some gay scenes. Richie Black did scenes with transgender porn stars Domino Presley and Aubrey Kate this year. They both are working regularly in the straight industry. There are some other men that have crossed over. Is it no longer the case that men who do gay/transgender scenes are blacklisted from the straight industry? Or does no one in the straight industry know about their previous porn history? [Link]
Pennywize Deactivated User 310 Posts 8/16	Posted - Aug 21 2016 : 3:16PM I think it depends on the company. Manwin for sure still uses crossovers. Some girls have a no list and won't do crossover talent. So its still a little of both I guess. [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Aug 21 2016 : 3:20PM What other guys are crossovers? [Link]
TwoDirection Member 105 Posts 10/15	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 10:36AM fanofman wrote: What other guys are crossovers? Click to expand Seth Gamble Micheal Vegas There are probably others. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 10:56AM There are tons of crossovers, and always have been. I don't think they have ever been "blacklisted," but some performers put them on their no list. Off the top of my head, Peter North, Wade Nichols, Jack Wrangler, Jeff Stryker, Christian X, Wolf Hudson, Criss Strokes. The list goes on. [Link]

Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:12AM So you can put someone on your no list based on perceived risk even if their tests regularly come back clean? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:28AM You can put someone on your no list for whatever reason you like. [Link]
bumblaster Senior Member 4884 Posts 4/12	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:40AM ^^^^^exactly. That's why there are some girls who are in the business for years and have never worked with certain male (or female) talent. [Link]
TwoDirection Member 105 Posts 10/15	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 12:52PM Aya wrote: So you can put someone on your no list based on perceived risk even if their tests regularly come back clean? Click to expand Yes. Maybe this is a different era of porn right now. Here is a conversation when a porn star found out a man she worked with was a crossover from 5 years ago. While the guy didn't mention it. It is interesting all the outrage that came from them if his test was clean. [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 8:20PM Can male pornstars not get part time jobs to supplement their income instead of "crossing over"? [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 8:54PM ^A good question but if you stop and think about it you will see that female performers can't earn a decent living doing porn and that's why many of them turn to other means like and prostitution/escorting to supplement their earnings. How can male performers do any better when you consider that male performers probably make less than half what their women do. Add the obvious that a man, unlike a women, can't fake it on screen. Of course they can use drugs to get an erection but I don't know how often they can do that. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 9:01PM pat362 wrote: ^A good question but if you stop and think about it you will see that female performers can't earn a decent living doing porn and that's why many of them turn to other means like and prostitution/escorting to supplement their earnings. That is not much better than guys doing cross-over porn. It's also much worse for male performers because they probably make less than half what the women do and a man, unlike a woman, can't fake it on screen. Of course they can use drugs to get an erection but I don't know how often they can do that. The options for male performers are to get a much bigger paycheck doing gay porn or escort but there again would they be able to limit themselves to female only clients or would they have to offer their services to male clients and you are than in much bigger trouble. Click to expand Edited by - pat362 on 8/22/2016 9:04:05 PM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 9:03PM pat362 wrote: double post Click to expand [Link]
BlastOff1 Deactivated User I've found the way 10 Posts 7/16	Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 2:10AM i had no idea that Peter North was a crossover dizzam [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 3:36AM There's 2 different types of crossover male performers, though. One is/are the guys that did gay porn years ago and haven't done it since. Those guys generally do alright in terms of getting work (one of them actually won Male Performer of the Year from Xbiz last year). Then there's the guys that have recently done gay porn, or the guys that are trying to work in both industries at the same time. Those guys generally get a lot less work, and have a lot more women place them on their no lists. [Link]

dabigdikdangler Member 25 Posts 9/09	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 2:58PM The whole thing is asinine, if you're tested and come back clean it shouldn't make a difference. Clean is clean, no matter who you're fucking. [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 7:40PM ^Exactly , so if all other things being equal, what's the reason for saying no to someone with a clean test? [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 9:02PM ^ Because unless you get lucky, even with constant testing, there's still a time period between when you can first spread the disease and when you first test positive for it. If you want to get super-technical, I believe that a clean HIV test means that you didn't contract HIV more than 14 days ago, not that you don't have it right now (I may be wrong on that time period, it might be a little shorter than that). And rightly or wrongly, it's still assumed that someone that has b/b sex is more likely to have HIV than someone who has b/g sex. Not to mention that things are a little different in the gay porn world, and there are HIV positive gay male performers (generally speaking they only work with each other, though). [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 9:22PM ^I've read too that tests aren't able to detect the HIV virus within the first 14 days of infection. The CDC published a detailed report earlier this year of gay porn performer who spread HIV after a negative test result. So a negative result (clean test) can be a false negative as it takes time for an STD to show up in a lab report. Edited by - fanofman on 8/27/2016 9:40:38 PM Edited by - fanofman on 8/27/2016 9:41:33 PM [Link]
yourmomma Member 279 Posts 10/14	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 11:03PM it's also ridiculous because no one ever calls female performers "crossover" if they are fucking other women on film. Every one of those women in the screen above have munched a box. Yet they are over there talking about "picking a side." [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 11:18PM ^ That's because the g/g part of the industry has much more in common with the b/g part of the industry than it does the b/b part, and I'm not just talking about talent. Most g/g content is produced by companies and producers that shoot b/g (and don't shoot b/b content). [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 11:40PM whatsatelephonebill wrote: Then there's the guys that have recently done gay porn, or the guys that are trying to work in both industries at the same time. Those guys generally get a lot less work, and have a lot more women place them on their no lists. Click to expand Lexington Steele and Nikki Benz spoke about their problems with those performers in an interview on YouTube titled "Nikki Benz: I Would Guess 85% of Males in The Industry Are Bisexual." Skip to 7:20. [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 2:41AM Kelly Devine talks about crossover performers and testing at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBuT-PQOTZY [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 4:45AM Aya wrote: So you can put someone on your no list based on perceived risk even if their tests regularly come back clean? Click to expand Well, people can pass a test as "undetectable" even when they have HIV due to medications. So, people may very well just worry a passed test can not automatically be assumed to be HIV negative. I don't know , work is hard to get these days.. .I would think most girls don't have much of a no list anymore. THere certainly is not this "ew" factor anymore with most performers being bi in their private life or doing some stuff on camera. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 8/28/2016 5:00:26 AM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 11:52AM whatsatelephonebill wrote: ^ That's because the g/g part of the industry has much more in common with the b/g part of the industry than it does the b/b Click to expand Actually I think it's mostly because it's quite hard to get an STI by doing lesbian porn so there is no real reason to blacklist another female performer. [Link]

fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 12:53PM ^ From the CDC, "Women who have sex with women (WSW) are a diverse group with variations in sexual identity, sexual behaviors, sexual practices, and risk behaviors. Recent studies indicate that some WSW, particularly adolescents, young women, and women with both male and female partners, might be at increased risk for STDs and HIV as a result of certain reported risk behaviors (109-112). WSW are at risk for acquiring bacterial, viral, and protozoal infections from current and prior partners, both male and female. WSW should not be presumed to be at low or no risk for STDs based on sexual orientation. Effective screening requires that providers and their female clients engage in a comprehensive and open discussion not only about sexual identify, but sexual and behavioral risks." Sources: http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/2010/specialpops.htm#a6 & http://womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/lesbian-bisexual-health.html#e Edited by - fanofman on 8/28/2016 12:54:56 PM [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 3:30PM I may never understand the fear over the STI boogeyman when people suck a pack of cigarettes into their body every day. Like somehow, herpes is worse than shaving 10 years off your life expectancy and a host of health problems as you age by being a regular smoker. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 3:48PM ^Nicotine addiction doesn't result in a devil may care attitude about every aspect of health. [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Aug 29 2016 : 8:03PM Canadian_Cindy wrote: I may never understand the fear over the STI boogeyman when people suck a pack of cigarettes into their body every day. Like somehow, herpes is worse than shaving 10 years off your life expectancy and a host of health problems as you age by being a regular smoker. Click to expand I smoke. I don't want an std though. For one thing, I don't want to give it to someone else(unknowingly) or at the least, shrink my pool of potential partners to next to nothing. [Link]
Carolina to Socal New Member 3 Posts 8/21	Posted - Aug 19 2021 : 7:52PM Old topic but I want to provide some perspective as someone who used to work in the industry. I was in from 2009-2014 and from what I hear from friends and former coworkers still working things haven't changed much. There was always a not so subtle implication that working with crossover males would hurt your career in several ways. 1. Whether supported by science or not most people in the industry believe b-b sex is much more dangerous than b-g or g-g and therefore working with crossover males put you in danger. Prior to the HIV scare in 2010 testing was only required every 30 days, leaving a bigger window for someone to do a b-b scene and a b-g scene in the same testing period. 2. Some agents said that working with crossovers would hurt our value in the industry and more importantly our pay, similar to the stigma that ir had back then. Not saying I agree with this at all but it's what the reality of porn was. However there were certain performers and companies I know for a fact would lie about a crossover guys. [Link]
snufish Member 580 Posts 4/14	Posted - Aug 27 2021 : 12:27PM In mainstream porn, they're okay now. In non mainstream, it wasn't an issue. Be well [Link]

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