I was reading a post 6 years ago in this section that said this about women working with crossover stars "A lot of female performers care because of a perceived increased risk of HIV from working with male performers who also do gay scenes. When they communicate their concerns to directors, the directors end up not wanting to schedule the male performer who does cross over work. And who can blame them? Male performers are a dime a dozen. Whether it's fair or not, the porn industry is extremely discriminatory in this regard. Female performers are encouraged to explore bisexuality. Male performers are not." Ryan Driller did some gay scenes. Richie Black did scenes with transgender porn stars Domino Presley and Aubrey Kate this year. They both are working regularly in the straight industry. There are some other men that have crossed over. Is it no longer the case that men who do gay/transgender scenes are blacklisted from the straight industry? Or does no one in the straight industry know about their previous porn history?
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Pennywize Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 21 2016 : 3:16PM
I think it depends on the company. Manwin for sure still uses crossovers. Some girls have a no list and won't do crossover talent. So its still a little of both I guess.
There are tons of crossovers, and always have been. I don't think they have ever been "blacklisted," but some performers put them on their no list. Off the top of my head, Peter North, Wade Nichols, Jack Wrangler, Jeff Stryker, Christian X, Wolf Hudson, Criss Strokes. The list goes on.
Yes. Maybe this is a different era of porn right now. Here is a conversation when a porn star found out a man she worked with was a crossover from 5 years ago. While the guy didn't mention it. It is interesting all the outrage that came from them if his test was clean.
^A good question but if you stop and think about it you will see that female performers can't earn a decent living doing porn and that's why many of them turn to other means like and prostitution/escorting to supplement their earnings. How can male performers do any better when you consider that male performers probably make less than half what their women do. Add the obvious that a man, unlike a women, can't fake it on screen. Of course they can use drugs to get an erection but I don't know how often they can do that.
There's 2 different types of crossover male performers, though. One is/are the guys that did gay porn years ago and haven't done it since. Those guys generally do alright in terms of getting work (one of them actually won Male Performer of the Year from Xbiz last year). Then there's the guys that have recently done gay porn, or the guys that are trying to work in both industries at the same time. Those guys generally get a lot less work, and have a lot more women place them on their no lists.
^ Because unless you get lucky, even with constant testing, there's still a time period between when you can first spread the disease and when you first test positive for it. If you want to get super-technical, I believe that a clean HIV test means that you didn't contract HIV more than 14 days ago, not that you don't have it right now (I may be wrong on that time period, it might be a little shorter than that). And rightly or wrongly, it's still assumed that someone that has b/b sex is more likely to have HIV than someone who has b/g sex. Not to mention that things are a little different in the gay porn world, and there are HIV positive gay male performers (generally speaking they only work with each other, though).
^I've read too that tests aren't able to detect the HIV virus within the first 14 days of infection. The CDC published a detailed report earlier this year of gay porn performer who spread HIV after a negative test result. So a negative result (clean test) can be a false negative as it takes time for an STD to show up in a lab report. Edited by - fanofman on 8/27/2016 9:40:38 PM Edited by - fanofman on 8/27/2016 9:41:33 PM
it's also ridiculous because no one ever calls female performers "crossover" if they are fucking other women on film. Every one of those women in the screen above have munched a box. Yet they are over there talking about "picking a side."
^ That's because the g/g part of the industry has much more in common with the b/g part of the industry than it does the b/b part, and I'm not just talking about talent. Most g/g content is produced by companies and producers that shoot b/g (and don't shoot b/b content).
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Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 11:40PM
Lexington Steele and Nikki Benz spoke about their problems with those performers in an interview on YouTube titled "Nikki Benz: I Would Guess 85% of Males in The Industry Are Bisexual." Skip to 7:20.
Kelly Devine talks about crossover performers and testing at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBuT-PQOTZY
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 4:45AM
Well, people can pass a test as "undetectable" even when they have HIV due to medications. So, people may very well just worry a passed test can not automatically be assumed to be HIV negative. I don't know , work is hard to get these days.. .I would think most girls don't have much of a no list anymore. THere certainly is not this "ew" factor anymore with most performers being bi in their private life or doing some stuff on camera. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 8/28/2016 5:00:26 AM
Actually I think it's mostly because it's quite hard to get an STI by doing lesbian porn so there is no real reason to blacklist another female performer.
^ From the CDC, "Women who have sex with women (WSW) are a diverse group with variations in sexual identity, sexual behaviors, sexual practices, and risk behaviors. Recent studies indicate that some WSW, particularly adolescents, young women, and women with both male and female partners, might be at increased risk for STDs and HIV as a result of certain reported risk behaviors (109-112). WSW are at risk for acquiring bacterial, viral, and protozoal infections from current and prior partners, both male and female. WSW should not be presumed to be at low or no risk for STDs based on sexual orientation. Effective screening requires that providers and their female clients engage in a comprehensive and open discussion not only about sexual identify, but sexual and behavioral risks." Sources: http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/2010/specialpops.htm#a6 & http://womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/lesbian-bisexual-health.html#e Edited by - fanofman on 8/28/2016 12:54:56 PM
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Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 28 2016 : 3:30PM
I may never understand the fear over the STI boogeyman when people suck a pack of cigarettes into their body every day. Like somehow, herpes is worse than shaving 10 years off your life expectancy and a host of health problems as you age by being a regular smoker.
I smoke. I don't want an std though. For one thing, I don't want to give it to someone else(unknowingly) or at the least, shrink my pool of potential partners to next to nothing.
Old topic but I want to provide some perspective as someone who used to work in the industry.
I was in from 2009-2014 and from what I hear from friends and former coworkers still working things haven't changed much. There was always a not so subtle implication that working with crossover males would hurt your career in several ways.
1. Whether supported by science or not most people in the industry believe b-b sex is much more dangerous than b-g or g-g and therefore working with crossover males put you in danger. Prior to the HIV scare in 2010 testing was only required every 30 days, leaving a bigger window for someone to do a b-b scene and a b-g scene in the same testing period.
2. Some agents said that working with crossovers would hurt our value in the industry and more importantly our pay, similar to the stigma that ir had back then.
Not saying I agree with this at all but it's what the reality of porn was. However there were certain performers and companies I know for a fact would lie about a crossover guys.