The facial is simply a cinematic device that provides the 'climatic' event against the most attractive background. That doesn't mean female performers have to like it, of course, any more than anybody in any other profession has to like every aspect of their job. However, I don't see how degradation comes into it.
My wife isn't big on facials either...we have done them and we do them on occasion. she asks for it rarely as it is not a favorite. If I have my cock in her mouth when I cum and a little dribbles out onto her chin that doesn't bother her at all. She loves having cum on her body though. She really enjoys when I pull out and cum on her whether its on her tits and stomach or back and ass. She likes feeling the warmth of the cum as it trickles from where it landed to other parts of her body. The swingers we socialize with and occasionally party with also aren't big on facials but like body cum shots or internal. We have even witnessed a mid 20's aged female have 4 guys fuck her and cum on her body at a swinger event. She just lay on the floor or knelt on her knees to get the cum. Her husband was on the sidelines wanking himself and watching in enjoyment as his cute wife was fucked and cum on like a pornstar. Now m the being cum on part is just reserved for my wife and I in private as we have a condom only rule when we are at swinger events.
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Posted - Feb 1 2012 : 5:45PM
I think there can be an element of degradation involved,certainly, and I've seen plenty of scenes where the starlet is rather disgusted by having to endure it. I only get off to scenes where the actress is into it.
This is a topic that always brings up an interesting discussion. I do feel that if the woman is into receiving a facial and truly enjoys it then it cannot be degrading. Degrading by definition means humiliating. I have given my my wife some facials and she loves it and there is nothing degrading about it. I have viewed some movies where it appeared as though the woman did not enjoy or expect the facial. That is where the line gets very cloudy. Is it degrading because she did not enjoy it or did not expect it or was it just one of those odd moments in sexual activity that was uncomfortable for the woman and she will not do it again. My wife agrees with Wahine that it can be a very romantic gesture. Have Sex Shop Girl or Wahine or any of the other women that post on Adult DVD Talk ever felt degraded when they received a facial?
Women aren't targets. They should be active participants in the sexual activity they're having. If she likes cum on her face and her partners delivers it, that's fine. Her face and mouth are really the only place she has an opportunity to be an active participants in her partners orgasm. Anywhere else he cums, she's primarily a passive receiver, whether it's in her pussy or on her ass or back or tits or wherever. Her mouth and face provide her with the opportunity to lick and suck and talk and make eye contact and generally stimulate and extract her partner's cum. It can be a VERY special way for her to maximize her partner's orgasm and be an ACTIVE participant rather than a PASSIVE receiver. I happen to be a fan of facials but I'm not a fan of girls being targets. Unfortunately, the two are often confused.
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Posted - Feb 2 2012 : 4:43PM
Can't say I get any pleasure from "marking my territory" on a girls face. Rather mark it deep inside a contracting Vjay or a mouth that is trying to suck out every last drop. Have I ever given a girl a facial? Introvertedly yes. The military classifies it as collateral damage. Sometimes it just decides to go off on it's own and flies everywhere during a BJ! Best if the lady can capture it all in her mouth to prevent a gooey face. Don't think girls like to get it in their eyes. Do I like to watch it in porn? yes, but I prefer in my personal life in this order; 1.In the vagina 2.In the mouth 3.On a nice bush 4.On the tits 5.On the butt 6.On the face You may ask, what about in the butt? not in the equation. 9not my choice)
Not necessarily degrading but sort of gross in my manly opinion. I would much prefer cum on the tits or ass then the face (I would prefer an internal pop to either of those but with birth control and disease concerns that is rare). There is also a danger of cum in the eyes which almost always causes pain in the eye and necessitates a trip to the doctor.
they really need to go to the doctor if they get cum in the eye? C'mon, that can't be true-it's not like it's superglue (I did that once)... but I admit, I wouldn't know, unlike most guys from what I gather through porn, I actually know how to aim my dick....
She may be able to 'milk' him, but how many really do. The vast majority are passive. The eyes, lips, tongue, cheeks.....together provide the real opportunity to be an active participant. It's your best chance to take it to the next level.....go for it!
I don't like the 'race to the face' where the guy is on the verge of cumming and is in a hurry to get from wherever his dick happens to be at the time, to reposition himself so he can cum on her face. The race to the face is the part I dislike. It seems so artificial. When I'm ready to cum, the last thing I'm thinking about is how to get my dick to her face. The fact facials are required detracts from the scene just like the tightly closed eyes and mouth detract from the 'bring it on' facial.
Interesting Point Rod. I must say, to me... women who abhor cum, who are also pornstars.. make no sense to me, frankly it should be required... It's like a lawyer that hates the courthouse, or a realtor that hates title companies, or a doctor that hates ducks.
That is my understanding. The subject even came up on the first AIM Porn 101 DVD, the doctor (not "Dr." Mitchell but one of the actual doctors running AIM) said that a pop shot in the eye could cause severe irritation and a type of infection and that is assuming the cum provider doesn't have herpes. If herpes is involved, it is a real pleasure (not)!
It depends on the situation... If a guy deliberately jerks it onto a girls face it's not cool, like if you pull out of her mouth, pussy, ass whatever and squirt on her face on purpose it's not cool. If the girl is jerking a guy and aims it on her face, it's all good. Some girls actually like cum, the feeling of it, to play with it. One of my ex's smeared it on her face with my dick and she loved it, because she was in control, she would stop rubbing until she was satisfied and as you can imagine a sensitive bell-end, in her control was a bit of a power trip for her. RE: the porn angle, you say some don't like it, nothing is worse than a cumdodger, but nothing is better when a notorious dodger, ie Krystal Steal takes 2 massive loads all over her pretty face :)
Not really degrading but not be a big turn on. If a guy pops on a girls face as long as he is considerate in not shooting her in the eye, as has been mentioned, whether or not is a "surprise" or not, I don't feel it's degrading. The other question though is, is it a turn on for the woman? I feel that seldom is this the case. Mostly facials are a visuaal thing and as a result, since we can't see ourselves getting a facial, not a huge turn on. Frankly, although I place tit-fucking in the same category, at least if a load is covering my tits, I can see it and it might be somewhat of a turn on.
Janine, you say a load on your breasts can be a turn on, how about on your belly? And wherever the jizz winds up isn't it a turn on to lick it either by yourself or by another lady? Further we need lady volunteers for cleanup on Janine, who is up for it?
With todays HD porn, surely the most attractive background is a naked woman, as opposed to just her face. In addition, her face is IMO more attractive when it isn't worried about cum in the hair, eye, or up the nose. And that's just the performers who can pretend to like facials.Big +1 to that too. Worse still, more often it is the woman that has to perform the hurried artificial reposition. I'll add that it rules out any post-coital kissing, cuddling, close eye contact, and other nice ways to decompress and fade out from a scene. I don't find it degrading, just overused, overrated, and not very erotic.
Why?? Are you suggesting your cum on her face is fine but your cum on your face isn't?? Are you suggesting a double standard here?? OK, I understand. Just for the record, I find MANY more girls open to facials than guys open to kissing her after leaving his cum on her face or in her mouth. Clearly there's a double standard. IMO, guys need to get over this homophobic idea about their own cum. Learn to enjoy licking her creampie pussy and kissing her cum covered lips and swallow.
i love doing them i think it is like marking your territory also, i like giving a facial before she goes and see;s her friends or before they come to the house ... i get a little giggle watching them kiss hello when 20 min earlier her face had my load all over it sick i know, but whatever i would do it a lot more if i could cum from bjs but i have to pull out from sex and cum on her face if a partner didnt like eating my cum or having it on her face that would be a big turn off for me its ok for me to drink mouth fulls and mouth fulls of pussy juice but my cum is off limits? nah that doesnt fly, if you like me...you like my cum whether its deep in your pussy or in your ass or all over your face (thats how i see it anyway) as for it being degrading....i think if a woman was to fuck a total stranger and get a facial, yeah its degrading.. if its off a partner i dont see it as degrading at all
Unfortunately, I don't think there are any male performers who can shoot enough jizz to cover a woman's entire body.I don't watch porn to see a love scene anyway. Plenty of better material for that if that's what you want. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/20/2012 6:01:45 PM
No there isn't plenty of it, very little of it in fact. Should porn be devoid of romance? Should romance movies be devoid of hardcore sex? I don't get the desire to seperate the two.
I guess you missed pretty much everything that's been on TV for the last half century. Not a lot of nudity but plenty of kissing, cuddling, bickering and assorted other romance themes.Not necessarily. It's just that porn isn't known for being... A) A flexible multi-tool. B) Creative C) Willing to be inclusive of different things just for the sake of people who want to see them. So what you/we get is basically whatever sells. I'm not saying romance wouldn't sell. I don't know that it wouldn't. But I'm selfish. I watch porn for me. And if it has to be one or the other, I sure don't want porn turned into a soap opera. Not that that's what would happen. I just don't even want to think about it. People want different things and nobody would be happier than I would if the porn industry could make everyone happy. But that's never been something that was going to happen as long as they have to make money. So it comes down to this - What do you think better describes what porn was meant to be? A) Hardcore sex with few limits? B) Cuddly romance ?Maybe you don't but many people do. I'm not thinking about romance when I'm pounding out a load of ball snot. Maybe you do (or maybe you're even female. I don't know). That's nice for you but there's already a niche for that. It's somewhat small but it's there. The only reason I see to criticize something that is a staple of mainstream porn (facials) is that you seem to be wanting to tell other people what they should be jerking off to. Am I wrong? Edited by - randomprecision on 2/22/2012 1:55:38 PM
RandomPrecision, you say one male porn star could not possibly cover a gal with his load. Of course not and that is why there is the wonderful world of blowbangs, hopefully most of the stars enjoy that and I would hope all of the female members posting here do also.
How often have you heard anyone seriously suggest that gay facials are degrading? Why is it potentially degrading if the recipient is a female but there is no comparison to gay sex/porn of the same type? I can tell you that facials are just as popular for gay people when they have sex as they are for straight people so it can't be that it never happens. I think it's obvious. I think it's because they're women. It seems to me that people are still saying women are victims. But not only that. But also that because they are women and the majority of women wouldn't choose to do what they choose to do, they have no right to be individuals. That they have no right to subject themselves to things other individuals may find degrading to themselves. What is more degrading than the suggestion that you have no right to choose to do something because you're a female and other females don't like what you're doing? What is more degrading than the suggestion that you are not you? That you are merely a mindless cell in the body of womankind? The most disturbing part of the whole thing (to me) is that the majority view is taken as the absolute truth for everyone. There is no such thing as a woman who enjoys facials. It can't happen. And if it does, there's something wrong with her. She's confused (at best). It isn't seen as individuality. It's seen as disease. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/24/2012 6:51:14 AM
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Posted - Feb 24 2012 : 6:54AM
Clearly one of the appeals of facials, gay or straight, is that they are 'dirty' which always carries some implied element of degradation in it, sometimes it is more overt in some scenes than others. To claim that there is no degradation in many facial scenes seems to be missing the point, certainly some may not see it as degrading, but many do, and like it exactly for that reason. 'Sex without sin is like an egg without salt.' BTW anti-porners who address gay porn do think facials there are degrading as well.
So why is there no concern as to whether it's degrading to the top (the guy who's dishing it out)? If it's "dirty" to receive a facial, shouldn't it be equally "dirty" to give one? There's little hand-wringing over the eternal soul of the top. Additionally, your other point is exactly what I was getting at. Why is the majority opinion considered to be the absolute, unquestionable truth? If you don't believe in sin the way many people do, you are going to be much less likely to associate anything sexual with wrongdoing. Personally, for me, the things that turn me on are usually purely visceral. I was never religious even when I was forced to attend church as a boy. To me, a facial is as simple as seeing something I like and wanting to have sex with it and/or get as close to having sex with it as I can. A woman's face is one of those things. It's no different than her ass or her pussy. It is beautiful and the one part of her body that really distinguishes her. Climaxing in or on her pussy is fine but (with some minor differences) a pussy is a pussy. They all pretty much look the same. The face is unique and expressive. I can see how it can be considered to be an expression of degradation or humiliation to people who just want to see it that way. Which, really, even then should not be a big deal as long as it's consensual. I'm just tired of the moral absolutism in the last place in the world where you'd expect to find it (porn and porn fandom).Well I have rarely (if ever) heard that argument. I hear the "This and that is degrading to women" argument just about every day in some form or another. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/24/2012 8:16:01 AM
A facial is degrading if the person receiving the facial thinks it's degrading, that's all there is to it. It's sort of like arguing whether or not peas taste good. Some people like them, some people don't, you probably won't get anyone to change their mind based on your opinion. From personal experience I have had many women tell me to cum in their mouths, not so much to cum on their face. As someone on here has already said, I think women desperately want to be a part of a man's orgasm experience, just being a target isn't much of an experience to some.
You just can't beat (giving) a facial, of course there's a dirty/degrading element to it, that's it's appeal. As far as I'm concerned, any girl who lets you jerk off in her face - whether she's into it or merely doing it to please her man - is a keeper. I also agree with the poster who said it never gets old in porn - if my entire collection consisted of nothing but facials videos I'd be quite happy.
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Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 8:07PM
The standard ending to a scene is often a facial. To me, it's a bias towards those who enjoy that fetish. What about those of us, who enjoy watching a woman exhibit an orgasm? How many scenes show a finish, with the woman exhibiting an orgasm? How many scenes depict a woman exhibiting an orgasm (besides her vocals) after she's received head from her partner? I mean those thigh twitching, knees snapping together, full-body explosions many us have witnessed first-hand with our own wives. Often, it's only a few moments of oral sex on her, before the main attraction begins with b.j.'s and vaginal/anal sex. I realize porn is a narcissism-based business, yet, a few of us would like to see a woman get her nut too. Sex isn't a one-way street. It's also about the self-satisfaction of bringing pleasure to one's partner. Watching a woman exhibit an orgasm turns me on. I like to see more of it, in the porn titles I watch.
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Posted - Jun 25 2014 : 2:00PM
It's not degrading if the recipient asks for it at the time or has expressed in the past an enjoyment of it. Personally, I'm not a huge fan giving it and, in porn, it's cliched and tired. Safe to say most women don't like them either. Would you like it if someone sneezed in your face? Not much diff.
I have to agree here. I personally would rather see an internal pop rather than a facial (although I understand why it is rare nowadays in porn), certainly if external ejaculation is needed the stomach or a thigh is less gross than a pop shot right to the face (and not popping directly on a woman's face would negate the chance of it hitting the eye and the recipient requiring medical attention and antibiotic eye drops afterward). I love watching the sex but find a pop shot to the nose a bit gross, frankly.
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Posted - Jul 15 2014 : 6:46AM
I'm into the facial pop, but only when the female performer really owns it, if that makes sense. I'm not into seeing indifference or repulsion, and the same goes for facials. Now, if the gal really digs this kind of thing or otherwise convinces me through her performance that she does, I love it. And by saying "convinces me through her performance," I don't mean simply the act of saying, "I want you to cum on my face." Any human who speaks the English language can do that. There's also something to be said for context. A facial in some kind of love scenario? Pfft. But a scene where there's a clear male dominant and a submissive female? Makes all the sense in the world. To me, facials are like everything else in porn though. They can be executed or used well or poorly. The choice is up to the directors. Is a facial degrading? Well, yes and no. Again, it's all subjective to the people involved, the situation, etc. There are even perfectly valid reasons for it to be consensually degrading/humiliating.
I think its more degrading to have the woman swallow...which is why I prefer the jizz in my mouth as opposed to my face but hey its whatever the director is looking for. But personal life? Make me fuckin swallow that shit.
I can see where you are going with this, Leya. Cum isn't exactly health food. As a viewer I would rather see a cute little chickie swallow a load than have it splattered all over her pretty face. Bonus points if it is in the Armory or on PD's NY farm and the chickie's hands are tied tightly behind her, all after her ass has had stripes caned into it. I do understand that some directors and some performers disagree. I would say some viewers do as well. That is what makes the US great -- we can legally have our own opinion. I can think of some countries where that isn't the case.
Petite Hottie Has A Tight Grip - review by Danielmayu33216
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