I can agree that porn is probably not the best therapy for troubled young women, but I've never heard any porn professional suggest it was, and nobody prescribes it as such, surely.
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| Xioniet Member  263 Posts 1/10 |  Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 4:45AMI've been watching porn for about 25 years. I remember back in the old days, loads of girls were falling into drugs and alcoholism and either dying an early death through abuse and suicide or getting into trouble with the law - speeding cars, theft, causing a nuisance in a public place, partner abuse, etc. It seems porn has cleaned up its act I would say in the last few years. I've observed most girl porn stars are into fitness and health, and go at least once a day to the gym. They're more level headed than they were in the past. I mean today, we often see some very intelligent girls entertaining porn. Some can speak many languages, play numerous musical instruments and have a good business sense. They like travel and have big plans for the future. I rarely see girls ending up in the gutter. Is this true, or am I see things differently to others? Thanks. :) [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 5:07AM I can agree that porn is probably not the best therapy for troubled young women, but I've never heard any porn professional suggest it was, and nobody prescribes it as such, surely. [Link] |
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| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 10:13AM I don't think fame has anything to do with it. Because most people who get into trouble aren't famous at all. Or if they are famous, then it's their trouble makes them famous and not the other way around. I suspect that porn and sex might be a cure for drug addiction and alcoholism rather than a cause of it. Because sexual pleasure can be so good and so intense that it's comparable to the pleasure that people feel from taking drugs. It might be possible to use sexual pleasure to wean people off drugs by substituting sexual pleasure for drug pleasure. A no-holes-barred porn film followed by a good fuck the doctor will prescribe for every time the addict feels the urge to take drugs. Sex and porn are about as natural as natural can be. You can have a porn habit all your life, live to a ripe old age, and die with a smile on your face, while watching some chick sucking hard dick on the screen beside you. Edited by - Dan on 7/3/2013 10:28:33 AM [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 11:19AM Someone downloaded all the data from IAFD and did some really basic analysis on it. If the person with the data were willing to share it, someone with more statistical skill might be able to test the hypothesis that fewer performers are dying young than used to. The biggest problem I can think of is that many lesser-known performers may have died without it ever being recorded in the database. In other words, garbage in, garbage out. You could probably deal with this by restricting your analysis to performers who did more than 20 scenes or something. A lot of other issues would need to be figured out as well. You would need to figure out how to say, "This performer worked in this era." One possibility might just be to use the date of their birthday. I don't know if the person who downloaded the data also got the information on their performances, and if so, noted whether they were comps. If so, Year_Of_First_Performance might provide what you need. Alternately, you could generate two statistics, average_Year_of_performance and Standard_Deviation_Year_of_Performance or Range_Year_of_Performance. Thus you could throw length_of_career into a regression that looks at many factors besides "era". I could imagine two possibilities, either those with a long career suffer more from the ravages of life in the industry, or the opposite, long careers are correlated with an ability to deal with the challenges of being a porn star. This would eliminate all active porn stars from your analysis as you don't know about their whole career, and there is the problem of people who drop out and in, so even eliminating active performers doesn't solve the problem. Moreover long-careers are going to be over-represented in the sample of active stars. Ultimately, you wouldn't want to do simple hypothesis testing, a regression analysis would be more informative. It might also generate useful information. Let's say age_of_first_performance correlates with Dies_young. In a regression model, you might find that there isn't a linear correlation, but that there is some inflection point. Car rental companies have noticed a similar inflection point for frequency of car accidents and age, and that's why they don't rent to people under 25. Obviously we are working with a much smaller data set than the car rental companies have, but if you found an inflection point in the data, (and based on the car example and numerous other studies including in neuro-development , paired with life experience, I suspect there may be such an inflection point around age 25. (I'm not arguing for the industry– much less the state of California– adopting a paternalistic attitude towards young women who want to do porn. I understand the demands of the market, and if ethical agents and producers refuse to work with teens, the scumbags will take over. But I think it's a reasonable question to ask, and informed people can make their own decisions based on their understanding and ethical judgment.) All this demographic information could also POTENTIALLY be compared with a national database to test the hypothesis that the life of a porn star is difficult and correlates with early death. In principle, you would want to account for confounding variables, like the possible correlation between low-educational-attainment and/or parental-income and both the choice to pursue porn and early death. (In other words, correlation doesn't imply causation). IAFD doesn't have data on any of the likely confounding variables, so you might reach false conclusions based on the assumption that– other than doing porn– pornstars are typical Americans. For this reason, I would probably restrict any analysis to what you can look at within the dataset itself. Still, if you ever posted a webpage reporting statistics on early-death or whatever, you can be sure Shelly Lubin would post a link and compare it to government data about the general population. At that point, Huffington Post might run with it, and who knows where it would go from there. Anyway, this isn't a project that I'm going to take on, and I doubt that it will inspire anyone who reads it. But I think you can actually answer the original question. If IAFD were to share their data for research purposes, that would be ideal. If not, maybe the person who did the "B-cup" study would be willing to share what he (or she) took the time to compile. Edited because I realize few people will read my ramblings, but the main point may interest some. Edited by - cumminglinguist on 7/3/2013 11:38:53 AM [Link] |
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| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 1:40PM As for the op, it is not porn that has to "clean up its act" it is persecution of sexwork that has to stop. The difference between a whore and a slut is that a whore becomes a second-rate citizen, that's what hurts them. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/3/2013 1:48:54 PM [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 2:40PM Anyway it was long and rambling, so there really was no need to read it. [Link] |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 2:59PM ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/3/2013 3:03:01 PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 6:34PM This only talking about their sexual behaviour , if you take into account other habits , such us drug use, a violent husband/partner , a bad experience , bad agent, various kind of scumbags they may meet, all of this is not in IAFD's database it only contains few variables which aren't even exhaustive , for example the market changes and so do all performers , if some stars begun to do extreme stuff is it because of porn ruining her or because there's not enough work left so they are forced to extend their limits , and if those limits aren't quite accepted psychologically and lead to drug abuse , is still a blame upon porn or just a performer not fit for what she's doing but does it nevertheless? [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 7:44PM In some countries, a woman can get stoned to death for performing in a porn movie. But whether you would call her a victim of porn or a victim of an intolerant society depends on whether you choose to sympathize with the woman's killers or the woman herself. That's how it is in the West. Porn women don't get stoned to death in the West. But they get fired from jobs when their former porn life is revealed, and they are often excluded and ostracized in their extended families and in their communities. Being punished socially and psychologically, rather than physically, can lead to depression and mental problems associated with drugs, alcohol, risky behavior, and suicide. [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 3 2013 : 7:49PM Do you know of any other databases besides IAFD that might be accessible? [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 4 2013 : 1:46AM Selen has even a show teaching housewives hot to cook, and nobody gives a single fuck to the fact she was a very famous porn star. Sybell Kekilli is a famous actress in Germany (and now maybe in the USA too, she plays as Shae in Games of Thrones) won some awards as an actress in there , when was revealed she was a former porn star there was an initial shock and some awe, but then nobody gave a fuck to that , the basic reaction was:ok she was a porn star , so what? Though must be noted that each Country in the EU has a different set of laws , and a different set of social boundaries , although we all are in a difficult process of merging without a common language. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 4 2013 : 12:18PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 4 2013 : 12:52PM |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 4 2013 : 2:06PM Well this kind of truly retards (and I mean it in the most rude , crude , mean and offensive way possible because only a demented can't see the difference between a public persona and a private one) are common in many aspect of public personae not just in porn , there are those pestering journalists , singers , sportsmen it is just incredible [Link] |
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| Xioniet Member 263 Posts 1/10 | Posted - Jul 4 2013 : 3:51PM [Link] |
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| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 4:24AM In medicine, for example, doctors have found that people with Schizophrenia tend to smoke more than people who don't have this mental illness. Doctors explored this observation and found that nicotine in cigarettes helps to relieve some symptoms of Schizophrenia, and these doctors theorized that smoking is a kind of self-treatment that people with Schizophrenia engage in. Smoking makes some of their symptoms go away, and that's why they do it more than people who don't have Schizophrenia. The same might be happening with porn, sex, and drug addiction. Having lots of sex might relieve some of the symptoms of drug craving, and that's why people with drug habits might engage in sex more and even become porn stars. Having lots of sex helps them to relieve their symptoms of drug addiction, and they are using sex as a kind of self-treatment. Edited by - Dan on 7/5/2013 4:28:50 AM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 11:03AM [Link] |
| Pete Zaface Senior Member 3064 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 12:36PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 5 2013 : 1:10PM Heroin, Chloe Nicholle herself said that, porn helped her to find the money she needed for a complete rehab , she got her addiction as a groupie before entering in porn. also should be noted ,some stars are already addicted to some drug before entering in porn, it was a way to get the money they need to keep up with their increasingly consume of drugs. This is true for some males too But , best put it clear that nobody is saying porn is a healthy environment , but not all the bad happening in porn is caused by porn itself [Link] |
| roynie Senior Member 1447 Posts 9/10 | Posted - Apr 17 2014 : 4:57PM This got me thinking. Are there ways to prevent something like this? In a perfect world the stigma of doing porn and online bullies would disappear but that looks unlikely to happen. Should porn agents inform newbies that if they start doing porn THEY WILL get outed and THEY WILL get some bullying? At least if they have a scene on a medium or big porn site. Then the performer has a choice before starting. Do porn agents already tell them this? Or are there some that say to newbies that they perhaps can do porn in secret without people in their hometown knowing? Sometimes you get the impression that these young women with little knowledge of porn really think the web is so immense that it never will be discovered by people they know. I know it isn't going to happen but would some kind of additional restrictions on age perhaps help? The two women involved in the tragic events were under 21. Reading about cases where newbies have been outed gave me the impression that the ones that were 21 or older mostly were more resilient to the online bullying than the ones below the age. Only random ramblings of mine. Perhaps these ideas are completely wrong. My thoughts are with the families and friends of the two women. If they choose to go public is up to them. For privacy reasons I won't provide more details. Edited by - roynie on 4/17/2014 6:04:31 PM [Link] |
| indisposed Member 92 Posts 1/14 | Posted - Apr 17 2014 : 7:07PM The thing about theories and ideas is that you often don't know if they are true or not, until you do some experiments to find evidence one way or the other. Thinking about ideas, without doing anything to test them out and explore, usually isn't enough to understand what's going on. In medicine, for example, doctors have found that people with Schizophrenia tend to smoke more than people who don't have this mental illness. Doctors explored this observation and found that nicotine in cigarettes helps to relieve some symptoms of Schizophrenia, and these doctors theorized that smoking is a kind of self-treatment that people with Schizophrenia engage in. Smoking makes some of their symptoms go away, and that's why they do it more than people who don't have Schizophrenia. The same might be happening with porn, sex, and drug addiction. Having lots of sex might relieve some of the symptoms of drug craving, and that's why people with drug habits might engage in sex more and even become porn stars. Having lots of sex helps them to relieve their symptoms of drug addiction, and they are using sex as a kind of self-treatment. Edited by - Dan on 7/5/2013 4:28:50 AM [/quote] There is no significant evidence to suggest that smoking has any beneficial effect on schizophrenia. Though there is definite evidence that schizophrenics who smoke require higher doses of antipsychotics than those who don't. Also the significant and proven adverse health effects of smoking definitely outweigh the "possible" benefits of smoking in schizophrenia or any other illness. So please don't encourage any schizophrenics to smoke, as in my experience mental health patients who smoke tend to have poorer outcomes. As for pornography and sex having a beneficial effect on drug addiction other than the monetary gain that would allow someone to seek the required help, I have significant doubts on that score. Admittedly sex can give a certain amount of dopamine release and therefore a slight high, but nothing in the same ball park as indulging in your addiction of choice. [Link] |
| Zoiper2009 Deactivated User 575 Posts 3/14 | Posted - Apr 18 2014 : 1:47AM In the U.S., porn is much more accepted today than it was, even just 10 years ago. A recent survey of either 18 to 30 yr olds or 18 to 35 yr olds (can't remember which)revealed that 70% of the men in the age bracket studied, had visited a porn site within the prior month. Girlfriends and wives, know when their guys have an interest in porn. I bet that at least half of these young women join their boyfriends or husbands, in viewing porn, on a regular, or at least, semi-regular, basis. Being aware of these kinds of realities, today's young porn actresses have to feel a lot less like some kind of freaks, than porn actresses were made to feel, in earlier decades. [Link] |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Apr 18 2014 : 10:40AM Another reason why these girls might not love what they're doing could be some of the "shady" shit that goes down in the industry. Two days ago, I noticed in this thread (Any stars like Violet Snow) an indictment made against the industry by Violet Snow, a girl who didn't stay in the industry long: |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Apr 18 2014 : 10:49AM Hey, I love today's hardcore gonzo porn as much as the next guy. I just think it's extremely naive to believe that all of these girls in the industry today are thrilled to be doing what they're doing. I am thankful for what these girls give us, the fans, and wish nothin' but the best for them. Unfortunately, there's this shady shit that some of them have to deal with, and until it's "put out there" for everyone to read and hear, it's never going to get resolved and will just continue.  [Link] |
| Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13 | Posted - Apr 18 2014 : 8:47PM The presence of adult film veterans, such as Sharon Mitchell, may have a subtle positive effect on recent porn careers. I would say: an excellent question to pose to industry members who participate on the board. Any of you folks want to chime in? [Link] |
| earthwindfire Deactivated User 257 Posts 10/12 | Posted - Apr 18 2014 : 9:00PM [Link] |
| Zoiper2009 Deactivated User 575 Posts 3/14 | Posted - May 2 2014 : 2:48PM I watch a Mason DVD (or at least part of one) about every other night,(if not more often)and if that's an indication of victimhood, then I'm glad to be in the club. As for women being harmed by the porn industry, notice that those who advance this notion, rarely mention the industries where women are known to lose arms, legs, or even be killed. I think that a young woman like Dani Daniels is a lot better off doing her type of work, than these women who work in mines a thousand feet under the ground. Recently, a few miles from here a man was crushed to death, when a machine with a faulty safety, closed on him, without warning. A worker told me that it could have just as easily been one of the factory's female shift workers that fell victim to that accident. That factory, by the way, is a Rubbermaid facility, so we're not exactly considering a fly by night operation here It seems that any number of industries allow workers to be endangered due to budgetary considerations, if not just simple greed. But the porn industry is singled out because it involves sex, and we all know how backward Americans are in discussing sexual matters. That's why America has a far higher teenage pregnancy rate than Europe. Some years ago, a study showed that while 11% of America's unmarried teenage girls were becoming pregnant, only 1% of the same group was becoming pregnant in The Netherlands. And Dutch teenagers are at least as sexually active as American teenagers. But Dutch teenagers feel more free to talk about, and request, contraceptives. In other words, Dutch kids are much more likely to take responsibility for their sexuality, while Americans, due to religious pressures, behave more like ignorant, sexual retards. (Sorry, but sometimes a politically incorrect word is the most direct way to get a point across.) And getting back to the matter of danger to women in the porn industry, I'm glad to hear of female performers who can refuse to participate in more hazardous acts like anal sex. Now, If they decide that some extra money makes an additional risk worth it, then fine. But at least the decision to add a risk to their safety, is their own, unlike a company deciding to skimp on safety measures, which can endanger workers without their knowledge. [Link] |
| WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11 | Posted - May 25 2014 : 8:41PM I liked her first video a lot. Now the same old question comes up...could seem creepy, but it's not: how do you keep fapping to such a girl, knowing the story. I watch porn thinking (hoping) the girls are happy and enjoying themselves. I cannot fap to something knowing it has led to a personal disgrace... [Link] |
| Teddy Rattlesnake Senior Member Anti-authoritarian activist 2317 Posts 4/14 | Posted - May 26 2014 : 1:45AM [Link] |
| dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09 | Posted - May 26 2014 : 3:06AM As a fan, I celebrate when an actress uses her income to better herself, either with her own business or going to college. Many disappear after shooting a few scenes, never to be heard from again. I like to imagine that all of them "live happily ever after". Unfortunately, life doesn't always work that way. [Link] |
| Zoiper2009 Deactivated User 575 Posts 3/14 | Posted - Jul 21 2014 : 12:00AM Back in 1988 ordered a package deal from a company called Private Showcase Video. ( the company went out of business shortly thereafter) Anyway out of the 14 or 15 VHS tapes there were a few unnamed "free surprise bonus tapes" which were recorded at the slowest speed. (talk about cheap, low quality stuff) One tape began with a movie director interviewing the late Shauna Grant. I think the tapes title was Paper Dolls, and I remember the director holding some porn magazines that Shauna appeared in, as the 2 of them both sat in director's chairs. Ms Grant, whose real name was Colleen Applegate, looked striking, as she was dressed only in panties, a bra and thigh high boots. I watched the 10 or 15 min interview out of curiosity about what Miss Applegate might say about her experiences with, and treatment by, the porn industry. The year before I had seen the PBS Frontline documentary "Death of a Porn Queen" which recounted Miss Applegates porn career, rejection by her family, (and by some of her friends) and ultimately her tragic suicide. Knowing the history of the poor woman removed any motivation or desire to try to get my rocks off by viewing the one or two (there might even have been 3) sex scenes featuring Miss Applegate that followed her interview on the tape. Think that kind of viewing would have been worse than stealing the clothes off of a dead person. [Link] |
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| TopStoryToday Deactivated User 569 Posts 4/20 | Posted - Nov 10 2020 : 1:30AM Sickness of society : Bad things are made out to be okay while beautiful things are stigmatized and diluted. Edited by - topstorytoday on 11/10/2020 1:32:44 AM [Link] |
| snufish Member 580 Posts 4/14 | Posted - Nov 13 2020 : 7:00PM another chick is living under the city, multiple suicides, drug ODs. But does these thing happen because the woman is in porn or just the people she associates with? [Link] |
| bellend Deactivated User 570 Posts 9/09 | Posted - Nov 15 2020 : 2:10AM Porn certainly adds a permanent stigma on the people who are in front of the camera but to ascribe her as a victim in my opinion is a stretch. [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Nov 15 2020 : 4:36PM I do agree though that there are a few more girls these days that are more business savvy and have an actual plan, into fitness, seem to have their lives together, etc. I don't think it's the majority, but there are some. Porn is still a societal taboo, but less so than in decades past, and this helps. [Link] |
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