but after watching a lot of imported asian porn... i'm not so thrilled by her anymore...
I'll be looking forward to HoustonDon's review of this one as well as Mr. AstroKnight's
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| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Adam and Eve has just released Appassionata as a 2 DVD set. In our chat with Asia she called Appassionata one of her favorite couples movies (Search for the Snow Leopard being the other.) Here's what I know about the DVD features so far: Asia has some pics from Appassionata on her site Edited by - stephdunn on Jun 5 2001 [Link] |
| Evil_Rip Senior Member Power overwhelming 1117 Posts 12/99 | |
| astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | - Saki |
| scipio Senior Member 1901 Posts 2/00 | Do you have any reviews up, or any other details? cheers, scipio |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | |
| Evil_Rip Senior Member Power overwhelming 1117 Posts 12/99 | did you just call me the ripster? thats a new one. well, as saki has pointed out. theres my latest review. :) you should really read it via the interactive link or you can go straight to that version [ invalid url ] evil_rip or you can go straight to that version [ invalid url ] evil_rip or you can go straight to that version [ invalid url ] evil_rip or you can go straight to that version here evil_rip |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | - Saki |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | - Saki |
| Doug Simpson Member 14 Posts 6/01 | I think one of the reasons they put it on 2 discs may be because of the grain. Anything with that much noise in it has to be encoded at a very high bit rate to keep the noise which yields a very large file, which could be a reason why they chose 2 discs over one, simply because with the movie itself being such a huge file, they couldn't fit it all even on a dual layer disc. I was thoroughly impressed by the effort that went into the menus and think that the bios alone are worth buying the DVD for. Anyone know what Adam & Eve DVD is going to get this treatment next? I'm assuming that not all of their DVDs will because of the expense, time and money wise. |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | The APPASSIONATA DVD was tough to encode due to the 35mm Film. Like Midsummers Nights Cream and a few others we shot on film, they translate poorly to DVD. We do the best we can. Coming in the near future: WOLF'S Tail X-Girls Both will be high end disks. I expect Wolf's tail to be exceptional, done by the same folks as Witchs Tail and APPASSIONATA. JK |
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| Doug Simpson Member 14 Posts 6/01 | There are lots of different variations of 16mm film just like when you go and buy film for your still camera, but to an even larger extent. Let's assume they bought cheap film stock, let's also assume that they had a crappy transfer from film to video. If you start with grainy film and then multiply that by a transfer that was cheap, you will end up sometimes enhancing the grain or noise in the picture. IF you look closely on tv you'll see this artifact in every show you watch. If you're watching golf and they do a closeup of the ball on the green you'll see a dark line in the transition from the white ball to the green grass. It's called edge enhancement, detail or gain. Some stations have it set higher than others, CBS here in the states seems to have their detail cranked higher than most. Not sure about Brazil, but look at your picture closely next time, you'll see what I'm talking about. As for the other shows that don't have this, or as much as in Appassionata, maybe they used better film stock, or had a better transfer or both. Shooting film is easy to screw up if you don't do it right and even easier if you're shooting 16mm. And if you're comparing ANYTHING mainstream to adult, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Every aspect of mainstream is scrutinized over by specialists and TONS of time and money is dumped into every project. When you make movies, most of the time, technical quality is directly proportional to amount of time and money spent on each project. I never said 16mm was a poor format, I just said there are variations on the quality and I'd bet that Appassionata was not shot on the same stock with the same lenses and heads or did it have the same transfer that Hellraiser or Evil Dead had. Also, when mainstream goes to DVD, they have literally millions of dollars of compression hardware and equipment at their fingertips and usually very capable staff running it to make sure every shot looks its absolute best. This simply doesn't happen in adult because the cost isn't justified. |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | |
| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | I don't know about Hellraiser , but Evil Dead was shot on the cheapest 16mm film stock available at the time. Of course, who did their transfer was independent giant Anchor Bay (there's an Elite Edition too). But I have seen transfers of 16mm and even 35mm movies made by cheap-shit companies HERE IN BRAZIL, and they looked fairly good. Of course, I didn't saw Apassionata yet (they can send me screeners, then I can write about 'em in my mag - wink wink!), so I'm not judging the movie per se , just demolishing (in a caring way, like tough love ) the statement that "film transfers poorly on DVD". Well, it doesn't. But you have a point: spending like, a gajillion dollars in a top-notch, anamorphic transfer for a porn is not the wisest thing to do. Unless said porn stars Jennifer Love Hewitt, Jennifer Lopez and Jennifer Aniston in an all-anal romp... Edited by - Planet Sex on Jun 21 2001 |
| Doug Simpson Member 14 Posts 6/01 | We're also forgetting one thing: the operator. You can have all the money and the best equipment around, but if you're operator sucks, then so will your product. Chances are, when the scan the film to video, they'll do it at a mainstream post house, because I would imagine that there isn't an adult post house with the necessary film scanning equipment to transfer film to tape. At that mainstream post house they're not too big on working on porno, cause God knows what the neighbors might say, let alone other clients who may happen to be there at the same time (even though they're the guys who are buying this stuff in the end, but that's another topic). So they schedule this work to be done after hours and probably not by their "A" crew, more likely by a guy who wants to learn how to operate the equipment. Ergo, the result being shotty work, but who cares, it's just porn, right? And they'll never knwo the difference, they'll just assume they (the guys who shot it)screwed up and that's what we'll tell them if they ask. I'm pretty sure that's what heppens in these situations. As for my relationship to Bart, you'll have to ask Tina Tyler about my name... |
| Saki At-Large 2087 Posts 11/99 | It may be apples to oranges, but I've seen some of Andrew Blake's Studio A releases that were shot on 16mm AND look absolutely gorgeous on DVD. I know he spends a lot of money and time to make sure they look perfect, but I don't buy the "you can't expect mainstream results from adult studios." It is a matter of expertise and willingness to throw bucks at it -- mainstream or adult. In my opinion, A&E and Wicked (and perhaps Digital Sin, although we'll see with Dark Angels if it was just a fluke) have come the closest to mainstream DVDs in terms of visual design and supplements. I only wish they could figure out the film to video transfers. - Saki |
| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | But hey... I know that shooting on film gives the movie a "classy" look, but... why not resorting to good ol' Beta? It may not be classy, but at least it's pristine.
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| Duke Dasterly Member Beautyful Downtown Chatsworth 21 Posts 6/01 | But most of all film grain CAN'T be compressed well. Therefore it can't be encoded for DVD transfer without artfacting. Example, if I was tell you about a dog that just walked into my house, I would say, "A big white dog walked into my house, then went in to my bed room and ate my shoe. |
| Doug Simpson Member 14 Posts 6/01 | Yes, Andrew Blake's stuff looks great, and believe it or not, so could Appasionata if you re-transferred the film from the orignal print. I think Appassionata's transfer is the main culprit as to why it looks so bad. As I said before, you could even make Appassionata look better from the edit master that exists now if you ran it through a degraining process whcih any reputable post house can do relatively inexpensively. I just think Appassionata got screwed technically every way you can get screwed. |
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