In an effort to handle the multitude of simultaneous VHS and DVD releases we're trying to come up with a workable system on Rog's Site to let folks know that there are both DVDs and VHS versions available.
What's your opinion on doing a DVD review like this one of Sweatin' It 2?
We're trying to figure this out a good way to do this so it works best for all readers.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 16 2003 : 6:06PM
Drew,
If you want readers to know that there are DVD and video versions available, it might be better to put it just under the picture with separate boxes of retailers for dvd and video. At present, I don't see the difference between the new and the old. Anyway, I glance very quickly at web pages and expect to find things immediately. Anything less than obvious and I ignore.
Ron - when you read a review of a DVD are you primarily interested in the blow-by-blow/scene breakdowns? Are you interested in a reviewer's comments specific to the DVD release such as menus, extras, picture quality, etc.?
I ask these questions only because these are the only items that differentiate a DVD from a VHS. Who fucks who is essentially the same in either media format (unless of course we're talking about Vivid).
Personally I am you interested in a reviewer's comments specific to the DVD release such as menus, extras, picture quality, etc. and not the blow-by-blow/scene breakdowns, but I am probably in the minority here.
If the production sucks then I don't care to know any more - see my review of B-Ballin'. If the production is good, then I want to know what happened in each scene. Any DVD-specific extras won't influence whether or not I'll purchase a DVD, but they might influence when I buy it.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 16 2003 : 7:06PM
Drew,
I look for dvd quality and extras as well as a brief description of the scenes. I usually cheat and use the find command to check for starlets and scenes rather than reading everything through carefully.
I think that 75% of a review for the VHS and DVD versions of a movie should be identical. The remaining 25% is for the stuff that's on the DVD that's not on the VHS version.
Therefore, I would think that a single review, with a DVD section at the bottom would work well. If the DVD is not available, note that in this section and if it hasn't been reviewed on DVD, note that.
I would also add something between the box cover picture and the list of retailers that would state when a title is available on DVD. I don't know if you've seen AVN recently. But I like the way that they are identifynig titles that are simultaneous releases. Right next to the title, they have the DVD Video logo printed in red for any title that is being released in both formats simultaneously.
Speaking as a regular consumer of video and DVD porn, I like the ideas that Bill suggested and I think they would definitely help out alot of prospective customers of both medias such as myself.
Of all the fishes in the sea, the mermaid is the one for me! 410 Posts 6/02
Posted - Feb 17 2003 : 2:55AM
Here’s what I look for in a review, in order:
1. Cast 2. Overall rating 3. A/V quality *4. Scene breakdown (not in depth-who is working with whom) 5. The summary 6. If it appears I might like it, then I’ll read more 7. Extras (generally,I only care if there’s extra footage)
The example Drew gave would work ok for me, but I agree that a single page review is probably best, as Bill, Tricia & others have said.
I don’t watch vhs either. I’m only likely to read a vhs review if a movie that I’ve never seen has just been released on dvd & there is no dvd review yet
* I’m likely to be looking for particular stars, so who’s in each scene is very important to me. I know rog, (& most ADT reviewers) give the names at (or near) the beginning of each scene’s description. This works fine but I really like it when the names are listed separately, above each scene (ala aybesea, GabrielNine, Mlyons, et al).
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:32PM
VHS is the format that made the porn industry what it is today.
I know it is popular here to dislike VHS and I agree that not VHS, but Video 2000 should have been the format that won the war in the 80s. But what would both porn makers and porn consumers had done if VHS was not available to them all these years? So, I am going to say this 1 time and 1 time only: there is nothing wrong with VHS. Sure, there are better formats available, but I am watching whatever I can find on whatever format I can find. Sure, if I can find a title on DVD, I'll take that one over VHS every time, except when the DVD version has butchered the movie in question, either by using the pan and scan method or by deleting scenes (anyone interested in a Vivid DVD?). So get over it and be thankful that VHS was around for all these years to bring both porn and mainstream pleasure into your own home. End of rant.
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Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02
Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:40PM
Walter,
To respond to your < rant > , I buy DVD, but when I'm renting to try something new to me, I prefer DVD but I will rent VHS as well.
I also "vote" for a single review. However, there should be two separate sections at the bottom (where appropriate), one for VHS specific and one for DVD specific. I'm sure that there are at least some circumstances in which there are VHS specific comments that could be made. (A/V quality is one.)
But, yes, it should all be a single review with notations as per media, and any specific comments, at the bottom.
Here's a problem that we haven't figured out how to handle just yet:
Say Rog has a VHS review of a movie that he wrote 2 years ago when the movie was released. It's now being re-released on DVD with extras, behind the scenes, etc. Does he write a new review including the blow-by-blow of the action or just address the DVD specific items and then link back to the two-year old review for the scene breakdowns?
If the scenes are all the same, he shouldn't have to write anything new. If there is any VHS specific information in the body of the old review, move it to a "VHS" section at the bottom. Also, append to the old review a "DVD" section that describes anything DVD specific.
I think that most of the opinions here are that there shouldn't be two separate sections of reviews, one for VHS and one for DVD - it just creates too much extra work and duplication. There should be a single "reviews" section, and from that single review, media specific comments can be added at the bottom.
(During the transition, "Review - VHS" and "Reviews - DVD" can remain on the main page, but the reviews they point to should gradually be moved over to a single review source so that, regardless of whether you're looking at the VHS or DVD review of "Movie X", you're still going to pull up the same HTML file. In the end, there would only be "Reviews - Movies" and "Reviews - Sex Toys".)
So, going back to the specific question, re-write the 2-year old review to contain the main review and VHS and DVD specific information at the bottom. The link to this file will remain the same under the VHS section. Just add another link to the same file under the DVD section.
One of the main reasons that there are two different review sections for VHS and DVD is that Rog uses two different rating systems for them. If we combine the two we'll need to figure out which rating system is more useful to his readers.
From a historical perspective, Rog started out with VHS reviews on rogreviews.com and dvd reviews were primarily posted do his DVDPornReviews.com site. As some point the two started to share DVD review content although they used dissimilar rating scales.
I look at the ratings of individual elements. I place the most emphasis on the body of the review though, since the reviewer may not have attached the same importance as I would to various elements.
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 1:46PM
I would agree with just updating the older VHS review to include DVD elements and/or differences.
I usually use a rating on a listing page as an indicator of whether or not to read the review, but use the actual writing in the review to determine whether I'd like to see the movie. Sex acts can be important, but I'm more interested in overall quality and the general feel of the scenes, and looks of the performers.
Unless something significant is added to a DVD release, I don't think that it's necessary to go back and write a new review.
Even in the cases that I can think of where the DVD and VHS versions have been different (Buttman's Big Butt Babes 6(DVD is 20 minutes longer than VHS version), Flaunt It! (DVD includes fisting scene)), the differences have not been so significant that they just couldn't be added to the "DVD Extras" section.
However, in cases like this, I would definitely make reference to these differences within the body of the review, pointing the reader to the "Extras" section for more detail.
So, if these titles were not simultaneous releases and the VHS version had previously been reviewed, Rog would need to go back and edit his original review to add these references, but wouldn't need to write an entirely new review.
As far as ratings are concerned, I think that the numeric system is more flexible than the letter system (unless Rog wants to use A-Z rather than the scholastic A,B,C,D,F). I also think that some of the categories just need to be renamed in order to be clear that the category is either DVD or VHS specific.
With regard to this, as someone who has never written an review, and has rarely even read any reviews (except to find out if one of my favorite performers is only doing a girl/girl scene before spending my money on that title), I think I have a philosophical objection to any review format being named after me.
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931 Posts 7/02
Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 5:29PM
Maybe it's the duty of every reviewer to go through all his or her reviews and update them. But with tiny differences between certain VHS tapes and DVDs, it's not always worth it. Many DVDs I have purchased do not have extras, so the difference between a VHS copy and a DVD copy is picture quality. In such a case, I would just put at the top of my web site, "Please check with your online store if this title is available in VHS...or DVD"...depending. It's hard work, but then again, we make our beds, so we have to lie in them. I am afriad sometimes there is no easy way out.