Tupac said it best when he asked Porn, "How do you want it". Roni is a cold bitch and my favorite part is she don't give a fuck, she is going to tell the truth until her throat hurts, and then she'll probably do that move when she puts her fingers down her throat just so you can see their ain't no bottom to it! There are several males in the industry past and PRESENT, that ruin the experience for fans and females. I remember when Jon Doe killed himself. After years of slapping and spitting before it was acceptable and farting in girls mouths during rim jobs, I knew he was headed for a breakdown. You can't be stable and treat another human that way.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 1:40AM
To what extent though because Manuel has put his hand around many people's throats in scenes including I think Avluv's in past scenes? Is that the claim that his hand was on her neck? Because I believe that, but Manuel has a 20 year track record and very few complaints and certainly none that I can recall of womens saying he was scary or violent. Avluv was one who swore up and down that Raven Alexis was noble and trustworthy if I remember correctly. If it's purely track record than I don't really know what to make of this. Like the line is so thin on this b/c the idea that he put her hand on her throat is not shocking and is in many scenes so it's a weird thing to judge. She's basically saying that this time she thought it was in anger, but again that gets into some thin line territory.
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Dreamwalker35 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 6:09AM
She lost herself i guess, just sad. Edited by - Dreamwalker35 on 7/30/2017 7:03:54 AM
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 12:04PM
^^Veronica has shot plenty of rough porn, so I don't think that she's talking about Manuel choking her (which tends to be faux-choking anyway) as a normal part of a scene. Judging from what she wrote, she's claiming that Manuel lost his patience ("Said I wasn't doing what he wanted"), grabbed her by the throat, and yelled at her. Personally I doubt that she just made it up.
^ true but Manuel is not known to be the abusive or violent kind of guy, most of all he does grab the neck sometimes but I beleve it's mostly done to control the blood flux to the brain to enhance the pleasure , it's a well known practice , some stars even ask for that during the scene though it's not their first scene they should know each other as performer she knew he does that , he should have known whether she likes it or not Edited by - LCF on 7/30/2017 12:35:44 PM
Wow. I follow a lot of porn star accounts and haven't seen any tweets from Manuel Ferrara or other girls commenting about this. Interesting.
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Dreamwalker35 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 12:43PM
The only problem with Veronica is that she is well know as very emotionally unstable person since the beginning of her career. Had many meltdowns and said many things on her social media that could make you think she was on something. Don't forget she accused Bryn Gozzling few weeks before Manuel but after the scene she was twitting "i had amazing time" and called him daddy. There is also BTS video on his site where they were interview her after the scene. She is so happy there and even asking Gozzling to book her for more scenes and now out of nowhere trash him on twitter. Besides March is the month of her husband death 4 years ago. I even think the scene with Manuel happened in the day of his death, so you know maybe she was in very bad mental condition and went on set, was annoying and Manuel couldn't handle it. There are also rumors she made this story about Manuel to cover her cancelation of her euro trip to Legal Porno. There is more info about it at her thread on their forum. Edited by - Dreamwalker35 on 7/30/2017 12:48:49 PM
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 1:18PM
she looks very upset and in love at the same time... weird when it comes to work... Manuel is a very condescending performer... (towards the hardests pornstars) he's expecting the best ! his own pleasure is depicted as selfish ! I don't like him anymore ! (yeah, I've seen Andi Rye's first anal... ) but behind the camera, he's very gentle and sweet ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz5M-4x3kuM Manuel soit un gentil garçon, envoie-lui des fleurs et excuse toi publiquement !
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 1:21PM
I don't think that Veronica's talking about Manuel choking her (which tends to be faux-choking anyway) as a normal part of a scene. Judging from what she wrote, she's claiming that Manuel lost his patience ("Said I wasn't doing what he wanted"), grabbed her by the throat, and yelled at her.
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 1:36PM
I know that she's ranted about the industry and her experience in it, but this is a very specific claim about something that Manuel either did or didn't do. As for Gozzling, I remember that some of the pornstars who shot gangbangs for Kink were very positive about the experience in their post-scene interviews and yet later they complained that they didn't like the scenario or that it was too rough. This is relevant to Gozzling becausea a porn BTS is part of the shoot and we shouldn't assume that pornstars aren't performing when we see them in a BTS. Veronica's choice to promote the scene afterwards could have been perfunctory. I don't know.
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 2:52PM
I think there is truth is all of it. Veronica is emotionally charged and that is the key to her unfiltered sexuality. I think things that are okay, or bearable in the moment can also be painful or degrading in reflection. I believe top tier male talent believe they can act and treat women any way they want, and the thought of tapering or tailoring their style to accommodate a woman will never happen. There will always be rumors, but putting things in print is serious and if Manny was clean, he should file suit. Nikki Benz made a career of slapping suits on both males and females at the tail end of her career. I think Roni said,, I'm calling this asshole out, then I'm leaving the biz. Honestly, that is a great alternative to a legal battle. I saw an interview once were Francesca Le was asked about not working with Manuel, she said it was because he was like a brother to her. I don't buy it, I think she knows him so well that she just knew better than to work with him. Everybody sleeps with everybody in the biz. You have half siblings, mother daughter, cousins and uncles, and many of them work to incredible close in some cases for me. The fact that no talent came forward and called Roni a liar, or took Manny's side says everything I need to know about the situation.
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Dreamwalker35 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 2:54PM
To me it's very strange reason to do all this drama, quit shooting etc. For something like this she could slap him in the face and never work with him again. There are many girls in the industry that haves nolists. Reading her recent twitts makes me feel she was rejected by her boyfriend and it's a mine reason, probably Chris Streams because he is mentioned in these twitts from time to time recently. I think he is one of the directors for Evil Angel...
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 3:03PM
I thought no one defending Manuel was interesting too. If he's so beloved in the industry you would think there would be people left and right standing up for him.
Among males that kind of thing has nothing to do with harassing nor violence , it's a way to show who's the stronger or the one in charge to put in line someone who went too far or crossed that line, it means basically "or else" in this case I believe it just meant he wouldn't work with her again It's a group thing , possibly coming from the caves or the tribes already when the whole of humanity was still in Africa , it's a worldwide gesture , when hunters or warriors needed discipline or everything could be lost either the hunt could fail and the tribe would starve or the battle could be lost and the tribe destroyed.It's instinct any man treated that way usually freezes If the one warned complies everything would end there , if he doesn't there would be consequences , it's a final warning , the very last. there's nothing to be sorry about nor to be expected, at least among males , the one warned either gets revenge or challenges the alpha or do nothing , either way the alpha has spoken, there's nothing to say other than that, less of all apologize , it would diminish the strenght of the warning or even undermine his authority. I don't know what happened nor why he reacted like that especially toward a woman , but to do that he must have been royally pissed I really don't know what happened , I'm merely describing a male gesture and its meaning , no idea whether Manuel actually did that or not
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 3:57PM
^ I agree with you, he seems like he would have a bit of a temper. He's usually rough in his scenes and he tries to be the star of the scene, constantly telling what the woman to do. He is annoying imo.
She's made her Twitter account private. If someone follows her, has she tweeted anything more about this post 7/10?
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Dreamwalker35 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 4:24PM
I think the answer is very simple. Veronica never knew when to be quite. She was rant on the biz since the beginning and shit on the industry you are in is always very bad behavior and won't make you any friends. It's like nobody give a single fuck anymore about Veronica's rants. Nikki Benz's repo is not great too but even she had some supporters with her Tony T case. Normally if any girl accuse someone from the industry, it's on all these porn news sites but in this case you will not find anything anywhere. Even this moppet Mike South don't give a shit and he is always first to write about dirty stuff. Even these retired once not support Veronica. I think other reason could be because Veronica was always outsider, never linked too good with industry people. For example when whole industry were fight together with prop60 , i don't remember Veronica twitt even one sentence to support them. I don't think she ever supported industry with any fights over the years. Things like these are always remembered so don't be shocked nobody care about her Manuel rant. I hope she is not over yet, get herself together and back to performing one day.
Does Manuel direct all his scenes? Seems from his comment, Philly26 was speaking in general about his view of Manuel. Not referencing any specific scene.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 6:55PM
This is some really poor analysis. 1 married performer not working with a certain male talent must mean that male talent is actually some kinda negative person and only Francesca Le has the vision to know. C'mon. She still even did camerawork for Manuel in Slutty and Sluttier, it isn't like she distanced herself very well. There are a lot of more likely scenarios for why she didn't work with Manuel including her stated reason as opposed to your invented reason that she "knew better". Same with Alexis Texas, worked with Manuel not really at all and yet they were good friends who hung out off-set. Her reasons were that the guy she was with for a long time was Manuel's friend and she was good friend's with Manuel as well. Despite what you say that is a perfectly reasonable explanation for not working with someone and doesn't mean their is actually some secret reason. That was a silly leap dude from Francesca Le doesn't work with Manuel to something must be off with Manuel.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 7:00PM
NO. He said exactly why he disliked Nicole. You don't have to agree, but he spelled it out. He said she didn't seem into the sex and then he heard her say something awful onset that made him dislike her on a more baseline human level.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 7:04PM
Everyone just ignored her pretty much right? Manuel doesn't need some public show of support for something being ignored. If you genuinely believe this shows some vast conspiracy where all the people who've said they like Manuel were lying b/c they didn't tweet then this has gone off the rails. Like that seems like silly dot connecting to me. People have said they like working with Manuel, I would say the vast majority of people in the industry, the notion that this is rendered less true by not tweeting seems to be your hypothesis.
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 7:10PM
Yeah, those mouthy woman standing up for themselves. Get 'em out of the industry I say. #MalesRule #PeopleWithEstrogenNeedToKnowTheirPlace
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Dreamwalker35 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 7:47PM
I guess you missed my point. I just meant Veronica's reputation is not that great and because of that industry people ignoring her. And her repo is not great because her rant and generally bad attitude on social media. Everyone have right to speak but if are public person and you rant like mentally broken over the years and change your mind faster than machine gun fire bullets then people start to ignore you later or sooner. Then you could accuse even flying spaggetti monster, no matter for anyone. It's like pot calling out kettle.
This is a tough one for me... Don't want to suggest Veronica's crying wolf ... and don't want to assume Manuel's guilty ... and simply throw him under the bus. Maybe it happened that way ... maybe it didn't. She sure lowered the boom ... on social media anyway. I don't know a lot about her goings on off camera ... but I've seen him act quite foolish on it. I tried to watch his scenes years ago ... and quickly gave up trying. Never cared for his style. I know some guys like a rougher attitude displayed by the male talent. I don't personally ... but to each his own. I realize girls that shoot with him know what they're going to get ... but this sounds like a totally different thing. I just think that rather you are in front of a camera or not ... it's wrong ... if it actually happened.
^^^^Like I said, this guy is too outspoken. There's no need to air dirty laundry. Also - the baseless claim of Nicole saying something "awful" onset is hearsay that cannot be adequately substantiated.
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Posted - Jul 30 2017 : 9:10PM
Ding ding ding, we have a winner...at least someone knew what I was talking about.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2017 : 1:07AM
What? He was there. You are arguing he can't tell a first hand account of an experience? That's not what hearsay is and this isn't a court of law. This was him answering a fan on Twitch. You don't have to agree with his opinion but arguing he can't state his experiences on his Twitch stream is very silly stuff.
for her to get that riled up it was probably done to her after a failed take, while being scolded. was it for his raw series or something else he was directing? if choking was done during a scene she wouldn't be that angry
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Posted - Aug 1 2017 : 6:11PM
So, what, it happened, she immediately forgot about it for three and a half months, then she remembered and became so enraged that she decided to report it to Twitter?
Posted - Jul 29 2017 : 4:52PM
