Personally, the only part that moved the mercury in my thermometer was suggesting an ADT Awards. With Rog, CAVR and others having their own awards, THAT definintely stuck out as a good idea.
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| ShaneTyler Member  45 Posts 6/05 |  Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 1:29PMAs someone who spent seven years in the XXX biz, I still don't understand people's [performers & fans alike] fascination with AVN - The magazine or their joke of an awards ceremony?! First of all, AVN (the magazine) is nothing more than a glorified promotional tool for adult companies to 'push' their product to retailers. As of late, this "rag" has even elimimated the majority of reviews they used to offer [something which originally made the magazine noteworthy to both retailers and fans] in order to make room for more advertising = $$$$$! And, speaking of advertising, the more ad space a company purchases the better chance they have of being nominated for, and eventually walking-away with, an AVN award <~ this has been proven in years past!. As for performers, are the girls (or guys) honestly thinking of their performance as "award-worthy" while having sex on camera?!! If so, that's a performance I [as a fan] would have no interest in watching. Are there female performers who believe, while on-set .. "Maybe if I take a few additional cocks up my ass, I'll walk away with an award come January?"! (this doesn't apply to Mila) lol And what, honestly, is the notoriety that comes with receiving an AVN Award? Except for the production companies and directors who use their award as a promotional tool to retailers (and then place it on a shelf in their office and allow it to collect dust), for performers these awards are quickly deemed worthless! It's obviously not at all like the mainstream film business, where a "prestigious" award affords you more and/or 'better' work. In the porn industry, if you're casted, show-up (not even on-time mostly), show a little 'energy' while having sex on-camera and remain up-to-date with your tests you'll continue to work .. As simple as that! And besides "Fashionistas" [which most definitely deserved it's praise], are there any non-industry people who can, honestly, (off the top-of-their-head) remember award winners of years past?!! .. Or really 'care' about it one way or the other?! If these awards were being presented and/or voted-upon strictly by fans of XXX, or perhaps unbiased "industry insiders", I could possibly understand the 'hype' and fascination (and potential benefit) of such an event; however, AVN, both the magazine and awards show, are strictly in this for the MONEY! Period (.)! Even their advertisers [their 'life's blood' financially] have to purchase seats and tables for the event. It's the same reason TV Guide produces their own awards show ... Cause they know they ain't the Emmys or Golden Globes! lol Again, I'm just simply trying to understand people's fascination with the AVN Awards?! $250.00 of a porn fan's "hard-earned" money is (in my opinion) much better spent on .. a date!? .. food!? .. rent!? .. or, perhaps, buying more porn?!! I say screw AVN! It's 'high' time for the ADT Awards!!! Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 1:34PM Personally, the only part that moved the mercury in my thermometer was suggesting an ADT Awards. With Rog, CAVR and others having their own awards, THAT definintely stuck out as a good idea. [Link] |
| spitty Member 730 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 2:04PM Porn is very subjective so any reviewer can say that a movie is good or bad , in a few short words. A longer description can often help a customer or retailer decide if the movie is worth picking up. [Link] |
| Robbie Member 884 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 2:13PM Good luck everyone! [Link] |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 3:02PM Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link] |
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| terri summers Member Come and play! 346 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 3:17PM they would be completely different awards then what is out now, really im surprised its not been done yet before! i mean, i love the avn awards, the show, the red carpet, make you feel like a real movie star that night. It would be nice to have more nights like those!! Edited by - terri summers on 11/26/2005 3:19:45 PM [Link] |
| MensWorld & Mayfair Member London, UK 47 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 4:22PM Crowded, definitely. Someone told me there are over 100 categories in 2006, which I think is too many. I'm all for people being recognised in their chosen profession, but maybe it's time the video and film categories were unified. What's next? A separate category for HD, too? Awards are always subjective, whether they're given out by a magazine whose decisions may or may not be affected by pressure from other departments, through to fan awards (is the XRCO still going?) were fans can place multiple votes to skew the awards. Nothing's perfect. However, having said that, without showcase events like the AVN Awards, the adult industry would still be seen as very seedy and underground. We need the mainstream media to cover events like AEE and the awards to show the professional, non-spunk stained side of adult; it's something they can cover and not really be able to sneer at. Unless they read out the categories on-air, of course! Do the awards actually 'mean' anything? Probably not, but where else can you go to see a girl thank her mother after accepting an award for Best Anal scene? That's worth the ticket on its own. The other issue is that this business is full of political back-stabbers, get rich quick merchants, wannabes and hangers-on. Everyone needs validation now and then, and the AVN Awards is as good a way as any of doing it. And I don't have a problem with the entire industry (which makes more money than Hollywood) giving itself a serious slap on the back once a year. I wouldn't miss it for the world. It's a beautiful circus full of fascinating creatures. Now if someone could come up with awards for adult magazines... Incidentally, Terri, did you get my email reply to yours, sweetheart? [Link] |
| gia jordan Member 670 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 4:58PM Last year, I had 2 nominations. This year I don't. All that says to me is that my friends have nominations and I'm routing for them all the way! Sure many of the movies I've done are being nominated, but not me personally. Does this now mean that AVN is now a horrible organization with unfair policies? Certainly not. You can't argue that AVN is all politics, claiming that advertising exposure is proportionate to winnings. Think of all the companies with AVN awards that spent less on ad space than the larger companies. Looks like I'll be partying with my friends and walking the red carpet graciously this January while you'll be at home watching Matlock and on the phone with a bucket of KFC. [Link] |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:01PM Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:19PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:25PM [Link] |
Jacco  All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:35PM "So how many awards are they handing out?" "100 something" "So it's a bit like the Special Olympics?" (paraphrased from memory because pornblogaphry's archive is no longer online or I can't find it) Jacco [Link] |
| saratoga120 Senior Member 1404 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:43PM But Gia, I too must take issue with your reaction to Shane. I used to work for a magazine which handed out willy-nilly awards for "The Best of The Best". It was pure political / economic crap. We disguised it a bit of course by bestowing awards on non-advertisers. But that was just a bit of clever subterfuge. C'mon now. You're a good girl and Shane's a good girl. There, you've got that in common. [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:44PM Gia, why do you act so aggressive? [Link] |
| MASAMUNE Senior Member 1452 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 5:58PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 6:04PM [Link] |
| saratoga120 Senior Member 1404 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 6:12PM The New York women of the late '70s were indeed quite bright and classy. Hell, I even dated Samantha Fox and I'll never forget my dad telling me that she's too worldly for me. Veronica Hart, Candida Royalle, Merle Michaels, Susan McBain ... all quite sophisticated women. Point well taken. [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 6:16PM [Link] |
| threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 6:19PM [Link] |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 6:51PM Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link] |
| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 7:07PM Edited by - -Kelly- on 11/26/2005 7:21:16 PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 7:14PM Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 11/26/2005 7:15:29 PM [Link] |
| Jeff @ IAFD Webmaster IAFD.COM 931 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 7:37PM So, if you want to take AVN to task about something, you need to do it on those terms... Ah! The moving of reviews to the online site is nothing new for AVN, nor for the mainstream press. By comparison, it costs a trillion times (Okay, maybe only a billion) more to produce a magazine than a website.Anyone in any industry likes recognition... porn is no different.Just like the Pipe Fitter might want to angle for Employee of the Month or the entrepeneur might want to be listed as "one to watch!" in a Dun & Bradstreet article, so pornstars want to be recognized as well. There's something wrong with that? Ask Marisa Tomei what that Oscar did for her.If anything, it gives these girls a self-esteem boost. Henri Pachard wrote a brilliant article for AVN Insider a year or two ago addressing this same issue... lemme see if I can find it... Ah! Here it is. The relevant sections: "I also know about the bitching and complaining that goes on every year about the voting. I’ll let you in a little something: The AVN Awards was not the first; in fact, it’s the third behind the Adult Film Association of America (AFAA) and the East Coast Producers Association, which are both only memories now. Fuck, in 1976, when the AFAA held its first awards presentation, there were less than thirty adult films produced that year and maybe four or five titles were nominated in about a dozen categories; and even then the losers bitched and cried “fraud!” or “fix!” or “what the fuck?” Today there are thirty productions nominated for best film and video, along with eighty-four other awards with more than 10,000 fucking titles. What fraud or fix? I don’t think there are thirty people around at AVN who they can get to do all that fucking voting. Would YOU want that job?" [...] And for Yes Portal he wrote: "This award show has come to mean something for these kids, and a hell of lot for those who win. I’ll bet it’s better than the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and Mommy putting her hair in pigtails for her first birthday party combined. For a guy, it might even be better than his first deep tongue kiss and a hand job. In fact, it’s one of the few things left in the business that still remains win-win for a wide spread of all the players in the game, that ranges from the big companies that spend a shitload of money advertising every year, to a young woman who just might experience a feeling of joy that she’s never known in all of her likely abused life. Even if the feeling lasts only a night, her memories of what she felt winning her award might linger almost as long as some of those she wished would go away. No one in our industry ever spent a night dreaming of becoming a porno star, or a director. So it does not matter how silly, trivial or overdone this award show might seem to be for so many of us, or so few of us. I happen to think that a lot of us got into the business because we didn’t get to dream enough about anything. So a few more statues handed out won’t be so bad. " I don't think anyone in the mainstream can tell you what "Fashionistas" is (not to belittle John's achievment.). These awards aren't for the civilians -- they're for the industry.Just like you don't care which car dealer won Dodge's "Dealership of the Year" award, nor does Joe Six-Pack care who won "Best Anal By A Virgo While Smoking" Perhaps you'd be happier with the FOXE awards, which is the "People's Choice" awards, or the XRCO (which are the Golden Globes) compared to the AVNs being the "Oscars"It's priced like that to keep the casual fan OUT.This is an industry event. To consider it anything else is ludicrous. Companies spend marketing dollars to buy tables. Consumers wouldn't really go to it. Industry people don't always go to it. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. This year, I'm going. IAFD bought a table to say thanks for the people who help out and because some associates of mine wanted to go. So I'm going. It's an experience I'm not necessaily looking forward to -- I've been to the real-life Emmy's and they're dull. If it's not you up for something, who cares... and if you are up for something, you don't care until your category is called. An interesting concept... check the archives. ;-)[Link] |
| devinnlane Devinn Lane 429 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 8:12PM xoxo [Link] |
| croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 9:45PM [Link] |
| Neckman Member 52 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 10:21PM Point 1: "If these awards were being presented and/or voted-upon strictly by fans of XXX, or perhaps unbiased "industry insiders"," -- This would add credibility and more respect to the entire process. Might attract more fans and advertisers. Point 2: "I say screw AVN! It's 'high' time for the ADT Awards!!!" -- Just tell me where to vote, I'm in! The awards presentation is also a celebration of movies and talent, like the Academy Awards, something everyone should enjoy and feel proud to be a part of. It sounds like there may be some room for the organizers of this event to re-evaluate the process and make it better. Maybe someone over at AVN will read your post and take a look.
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| Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 10:50PM An ADT Awards would be cool. Jamaica in 2007? Especially if it coincided with the Cricket World Cup - I'd be there! Without commenting too much on the value of the AVN awards themselves (which I am of the view varies depending on the specific award - surely the "Best Director" award means more $$$ in the future?), I think the ceremony is important for the industry as a night where all of the significant players can get together and assess where their industry is at and where they want it to go in the future. The night's importance for industry cohesion and public relations (that is, the mileage it gets each year as "the acceptable face of porn" on the E! network and numerous comedy talk shows) should not be under-estimated. [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Nov 26 2005 : 11:38PM Jacco [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 12:21AM However, I don't agree that it shouldn't mean anything at all for the industry people involved. Believe me, as a person at a production company, I certainly take notice of the people who have received nominations. After Lauren Phoenix's win, I took a lot more notice of her. Anyway, I'm not saying we should let it affect our whole lives. An award for anything is never that important. But I'm certainly not going to poo-poo the awards. I think AVN has done a nice job with expanding the list of people who vote on the awards to include some critis who aren't influenced by the amount of money spent in advertising dollars. [Link] |
| TarynThomas Senior Member Taryn It Up 1013 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 12:54AM XOXOX, [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 3:39AM Appreciate the candor of your response .. Thanks. I (obviously) think the idea of "The ADT Awards" is in order! This place is 'booming' with FANS who aren't afraid to speak their mind! (if there's any blood left running though it) lol But, now that I think about it, it would be a difficult challenge to keep the idiot 'hackers', forum 'trolls' and individuals who oppose particular genres from disturbing the integrity of such a voting process. And, when it comes down to it, ADT is pretty-much an "ongoing poll" of sorts .. If someone has something to say about a porn-related subject, positive or negative, they simply post it. Oh well, I still think "The ADT Awards" is an interesting concept! I hope the 'mods' run with it .. Just for FUN! Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 4:19AM Looking at this from a performer's perspective .. How does winning an award for, oh, let's say "Best Anal Scene" gain you any true "respect" ? Even from fans? Recognition .. OK. I understand that, especially within the industry. However, if you, as a 'fan', don't like a particular star for one reason or another (primarily looks are a deciding basis), you're not going to become a fan simply because she (or he) won the award. So, have they ultimately "gained your respect"? Don't get me wrong .. I'm not at all saying that there is no respect within the industry or between performers and fans; however, I (personally) don't believe that such respect comes from receiving an award, especially from a self-proclaimed and self-promoting 'trade' magazine. But that's just my "little-ole" opinion darlin'. Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 4:39AM I'm hoping your comment wasn't to suggest that is why I wrote my original post? I've been out of the industry (happily) since 2001, so I'm definitely not looking for an award 'nom' .. And, during my time in the industry, I was never 'aiming' for one. I, honestly, got into the industry to explore my sexual fantasies .. and, as a bonus, make a 'paycheck' doin' it. The 'grunts' & 'moans' of my fellow performers, both male & female, and the countless orgasms I experienced (both on and off camera) along the way, were my real "awards" [rewards]! Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 5:32AM By the way M&M .. Thanks for taking some time away from the magazine(s) to respond. We have friends in the publication business and know how 'hectic' it can be. Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| VincentVanGauge Former Fucking Virgin Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage 1412 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 5:38AM What's more, if I give my best in what I do and someone tells me that I did a good job that doesn't hurt for sure. Therefore I hope my dear and incredibly sexy Flower Tucci will get the AVN award she deserves. That said it would be great if fans could vote, too. I think the ADT Awards is a great idea! We already have Lee O's Porn Star Deathmatch for the category "Best Female Performer", that contest could be helpful because it showed positive and negative aspects of fan voting. It was fun, fun, fun, but some people abused the polls for porn star bashing. The greatest fan of Cursive's bay area [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 6:11AM That was the 'main' point of my post Miss Jordan. I truly did not mean to offend any of the performers, nominated or not. Especially a contributor to ADT like yourself. As for me 'crying' for a past nomination, that's not the case. [I just addressed this in an earlier reply] OK, I can think of a few; although, most of the 'smaller' companies have just recently started winning AVN awards (companies recognized long-ago by XRCO and/or FOXE), and you have to consider the number of catagories that are added each year. As someone here stated, there are over 100 of 'em this year alone!Again, my intent was not to 'bash' any of the nominees or participants [actors, directors, companies alike] or even the attendees for that matter. I was simply trying to determine the 'value' (<~ that's the word I was looking for damit!) of an AVN Award. Hmmm ... a whole bucket?!! Yummy! Wrappin' my mouth around a tender breast AND juicy thigh! I'll be in heaven! .. Basically 'cause I won't be in the 'chaos' that is Las Vegas in January! I do, sincerely, hope you and your friends have a great time at the show and after-parties!Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 6:21AM Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| ShaneTyler Member 45 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 6:25AM Shane Tyler ("Little Miss Dangerous") - Avatar links 2 Yahoo Group [Link] |
| saratoga120 Senior Member 1404 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 7:34AM Gia? [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8009 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 9:03AM Search the forum for "wads". You can see the efforts that were made in the past. We're not opposed to some forum members organizing the categories, the voting and all that logistical stuff. However we would only do it if we could keeping the owners of the site out of that process. I'll do any necessary programming for it but I'd like to stay out of it as much as possible. Feel free to start a new thread about it. [Link] |
| Recoil Therapy Member Deep in flyover country 194 Posts 10/04 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 9:42AM As a casual fan however, the awards do have quite a bit of value to me. What they did (before I found ADT & the wealth of information here) was act a a quick screening device. Mrs RT & I tend to watch features/comedies. The award/nomination list would give me something to work off of while searching for reviews. Rather than scroll through endless pages of movies that I never buy, it gives me a way to focus the search quickly. Also as I tend to buy movies a year or two after they came out, being able to look up the past winners/nominations is also a time saver. As far as ADT awards go, I have mixed feelings about that. As a member here I would like to think that I could/would be part of the process, but what would that mean in the grand scheme of things. Last year my company won an award for "Best new distributor of 2004" from a software company down in Texas. I found out about it a few months later when my mom called up to congratulate me . Apparently she Googled my name & the press release announcing the award popped up. What did we do to deserve this high honor? We bought one small package from them to resell to one of our clients who needed such a program . To be worth something to the recipient, the people giving out the awards must be big/well recognized enough so that it is actually wanted. I'm not suggesting that ADT is small & worthless (quite the opposite really) but it is something to keep in mind when thinking about our own award program. RT [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 9:56AM [Link] |
| jamesn Senior Member Cambridge, MA 750 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 10:21AM Even the Coochie Monster has no idea what that jive talking jungle bunny is saying nah i mean. I should take out my magic stick and smack that fool across the chin. Wes Pipes is hands down the best nigga with an attitude in the business. "You want that dick dog?" [Link] |
| picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 10:25AM [Link] |
| JiminyChristmas Member 54 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 10:35AM Those bastards have snubbed me for years! [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 10:51AM The biggest hurdle is making sure everyone voting has seen all the nominated movies. Renting online is easy in the US but not so easy in other countries. [Link] |
| jamesn Senior Member Cambridge, MA 750 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 10:55AM [Link] |
| devinnlane Devinn Lane 429 Posts 1/04 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 11:27AM xoxo [Link] |
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 3:40PM [Link] |
| loverboy Member 64 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Nov 27 2005 : 4:03PM Don't think the AVN awards are worthless, they must have some merit. I see the "ten" satellite service is running a contest to send a lucky winner to the awards. Wonder how many entries they get... [Link] |
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