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All Forums > The Porn Pool > The Porn Pool Forum Page 656 > AVN Best Gonzo Series
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Den
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911 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 7:26AM

Best Gonzo Series
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Azz Fest Video Team
College Invasion Shane's World Studios
Double Dip'Er LéWood Productions
Double Parked DVSX
Flesh Hunter Jules Jordan
Gangbang Auditions Diabolic Video Productions
Hellcats Joey Silvera
Jack's Playground Digital Playground
Service Animals Joey Silvera
Seymore Butts Seymore Butts
Shane's World Shane's World
Un-Natural Sex Diabolic Video Productions
Who's Your Daddy? Zero Tolerance Entertainment
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First congrats to the winner, Jack's Playground - Digital Playground.

I am making some changes on my site and I am going to add 2 new categories, Gonzo and Reality.

Should Jack's Playground, College Invasion and Shane's World be Reality?

It seems to me that all the others are flat out sex action and these 3 are combination of sex and 'R'

I guess I don't understand the term Gonzo?

Your thoughts please.

Den

dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 9:12AM
I think you of all people understand gonzo quite well, Den -- it's just that quite alot of those claiming to make it these days don't ...

was very, very happy to meet you in person, btw. You're shorter in reqal life! (ha ha)

Walter Burns
Legendary Quoter

IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no.
7564 Posts
11/02
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 1:22PM
A film theorist once said:
"A genre which encompasses both Ernest Lubtitsch and Jerry Lewis is in trouble."
I would like to add: "And has probably very little descriptive value."

Edited: Jacks' Playground won?




EagleSpirit said:
"You people are just tempting me to voice my unsolicited opinion."
(Yeah, that does sound like something we are really good at.)

Edited by - Walter Burns on 1/13/2005 1:22:45 PM

bono-ONE All-Star Supporter
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SAMCRO
8572 Posts
8/00
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 1:24PM
I'm with you Den, it seems odd to group those three in with series which are really flat out balls to the wall sex.
diegoiglesias69
Member

135 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 1:30PM
I think Flesh Hunter is the best....Jules is great director....that's my opinion
 
tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 2:30PM
This is the only award I think it will take me all year to get over Evil Angel not winning. If you asked me the day before the awards to bet on the two awards that I was sure we would win, I would have said Best Gonzo Series and Best Gonzo Movie.
dumblonde
Senior Member

2352 Posts
7/00
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 3:14PM
It looks as if they're lumping everything that isn't a 'feature' together.

Even though I often incorrectly use the term 'gonzo' interchangeably with 'all-sex' (it's just easier), even *I* know the difference, although I'm less clear on the difference between 'reality' and 'gonzo'.

AVN failing to make the distinction is inexcusable however, and imo they need to make separate categories.

Faceblaster
Member

390 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 3:27PM
I thought Gonzo simply meant acknowledging the camera is there. Breaking the fourth wall. Looking or speaking directly to the camera, as opposed to the camera being a "secret" observer.
2HOT2HANDLE
Member

437 Posts
11/04
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 3:32PM
I was also convinced Hellcats, Service Animals or Flesh Hunter had great chances to win the award!Although I don't know all the other series competing for this one, those 3 lines are top-quality gonzo series!
tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 4:46PM
Which is why it's even more weird, because they have Best Vignette Movie and Series and Best All-Sex Movie and Series.
Tinaka
Member

953 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 5:08PM
I agree. Gonzo is also often seen as porn done cheap and nasty by amateurs (who won't use condoms, unlike the caring feature producers).
To me gonzo is porn where the camera is part of it. And is recording the crazy (but everyday) life of the person holding it. I think i read somewhere taht John Stagliano thought it would be intersting to have a camera "left" on it's side to film the sex, so the viewer would feel they were watching through the camera. This can, if done well have more artistic merit than features. Buttman and Ben Dover who copied him (as he admits) are definatly Gonzo, MilfHunter, BangBus etc are also Gonzo.
Stuff like Shane's World and Mid-night Prowl are more a reality porn.

Lee O
Forearm Trainer

mmmmmmm........ after-birth
1193 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 5:18PM
So is gonzo about setting things up to look like reality , while reality porn is actually just taping what happens naturally (for the most part) ?
Grouper
Member

106 Posts
9/04
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 5:27PM
Does AVN actually explain how winners are selected? Is there really a "they"? Did the guy making the selections actually see the movies?

PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 5:53PM
Personally I group Jack's in Gonzo. then group College Invasion and Shane's World in reality.

My reasoning is that College Invasion and Shane's World take place in REAL places with some element of uncontrolled environments. Jack's, although real looking, is pretty well planed out and stuff (as far as the location for sex). College Invasion and Shane's World both have sex that don't go down on sets.

I do want to add I like Jack's Playground ALOT, but don't think it stands up against anything JJ puts out... The Flesh Hunter series is one DAMN fine series, easily my favorite of all those.

Oh, and as for the term 'Gonzo', any time a person behind the camera talks to some one in front of the camera, I say it's Gonzo... Just looking at the camera is borderline, but I leave that in the 'All-Sex' category.

Edited by - PL on 1/13/2005 5:55:28 PM

Lee O
Forearm Trainer

mmmmmmm........ after-birth
1193 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 6:22PM
But girls look at camera in Antonio Adamo and Pierre Woodman features .
 
doubler65
Member

new york
100 Posts
11/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 7:12PM
i can't believe niether hellcats or service animals won the award. To me they are the 2 top gonzo lines out ther right now.
TheLoneGunman
Member

400 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 7:49PM
Well, Jack's Playground certainly ISN'T in the reality category...each edition is scripted, with actors playing parts. I do think it's gonzo though - gonzo doesn't necessarily have to be unscripted hand-held camera sex. Those other gonzo directors may not write up the dialogue for each scene like Jack's does, but they certainly think up the situations and settings before hand (see any Jules Jordan or Seymore Butts video).
PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 7:58PM
Well if a story line is implemented and they don;t talk to the camera, then it's borderline, but I'd go with Feature....

Jack's is different, it's a mix between Feature (has a story line) and Gonzo (the actors/actresses talk directly to Jack (cameraman)).

Edited by - PL on 1/13/2005 8:00:12 PM




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