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Draxxx
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3831 Posts
2/07
Posted - Jan 12 2008 : 2:19PM
I'm a fan of the AVN/AEE conventions but I notice over the years they tend to be less and less fun for me to attend. Back in the 90s when I first started going before it was opened to the general public they seemed to be much more fun, exciting and wild. They weren't nearly as crowded, the girls seemed to have more fun, many of them wore less or sexier clothes, more touching was allowed, some of the girls would flash you from time to time and it was easier to get to meet the more famous pornstars.
Over the years the girls showed less, seemed to be having less fun, and it's just too crowded these days for my tastes. Some of the fault lies with the convention center being more strict to what the girls can do or show but even with that the shows just don't seem as fun to me as they used to.
Anyone feel the same way or have any comments or insights? Is it just this way with the Vegas conventions or is the same thing happening with all the other conventions too?
Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Jan 12 2008 : 3:38PM
I can't comment on AEE because I was only there from 2005-2007. But, the best porn convention, that I ever attended, by far was the 1995 East Coast Video Show (I think that it was 1995). That was the last year that the show was held at the Taj Mahal. After that, it moved to the old Convention Center and then to the newly rebuilt Convention Center. Once it moved to the Convention Centers, all nearly all flashing was done. Girls, who flashed for photos, would get arrested.
In 1995, the show was like Draxxx described the AVN Convention (which I believe was part of CES back then). Not only was the show more fun, but, since it was much smaller than the current show in Vegas, it wasn't a huge zoo hanging out at the hotel bar talking with performers and directors.
Draxxx
Senior Member

3831 Posts
2/07
Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 12:17PM
That's kinda what happened with AVN/AEE. The girls used flash and actually encourage touching/groping years ago but these days they are constantly looking around and saying they'll be tossed out if they show too much. And even though they expand the convention area there's so many people it's a pain to get through some places and to see certain booths/stars. Also it seems that some of the of the girls just don't stick around for as long as they used to. This year I didn't even bother to go because it just isn't worth the crowds and admittance fee.
nietzsche
Deactivated User

5470 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 12:58PM
fake luke ford says the attendance continues to drop. Playboy wasnt there, nor was Jenny. How long can this go on?
dead horse
Most Beaten Member

305 Posts
6/06
Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 1:38PM

half the complaints even in these few posts are that attendance and participation are dropping and half are that it's to big and crowded.
 
MikeSouth
Deactivated User

511 Posts
11/02
Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 2:00PM
The problem with the show from a purely industry perspective is that it has gone from being an industry show into being a fan show.
The show makes millions by letting in the fans on Friday and Saturday the result being a massive crowd that is meaningless to the exhibitors in terms of revenue.
So many exhibitors have dropped out. It isn't worth the high dollars it costs to have a booth when your real customers cant get to it. More people doesn't mean better revenues from the show.
So you have too many people and too few exhibitors.
pito05
Member

BROOKLYN nyc
508 Posts
9/06
Posted - Jan 13 2008 : 6:53PM
i first went in 2003. i thought it was great, so i went back. repeat. well, for me this year was better than last year, but still a drop from what i got out of it a few years back. plus the admission price has gone way up. so you're paying more for less.
BigMMoney
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164 Posts
11/07
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 2:09AM

Edited by - bigmmoney on 2/27/2008 5:30:05 PM
bauer024
Senior Member

It is what it is
1345 Posts
12/05
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 2:12AM
AEE i have been the last 3 years now i would say the first show i went to in 2006 was great last year was really small crowds on the wed and Thursday where this year the CES crowd had figured out the schudle and made the return to the show those days i felt Friday and Saturday were about the same as last year once you let the huge crowds in it gets a bit crazy to walk in some areas. if you ever have a girl that is showing it is a mob scene.

i heard the rumor this is the last year for the AEE they will do a avn show but no Expo. i am not sure how much i put into those rumors but i have to say it would not be a trip i would make the AEE is why i go to see the girls and the fans i have met here and at the events like Erotica LA
Dan

phatbasey
Senior Member

1390 Posts
1/05
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 2:07PM
I have alot of issues with the AEE now but flashing and grabbing are not them because I do not go there to grope.
1. It seems that it the crowd is getting larger and larger and the fans getting pushier and pushier. These "fans" have no idea who they are meeting. They simply gravitate to the girls showing the most. Example no one was around Clare Dames on Thursday on Friday however you could not get anywhere near her because her boobs were hanging out.
2. I also do not know what is worse the long lines or the short ones. I will not even get into the dozens and dozens of people who "cut" me in line but (Almost)Every fan that was in front of me was an asshole. They either had to tell the star their life story about why they loved them so much or even worst they try to be the stars new "best friend". Sometimes the short lines with just one person in front were worse because then the fan thought he had the right to spend 20 mins talking to star.
3. Although the price stinks in my opinion I wish they would raise it even more to keep crowds out. It is still worth every penny. What I think sucks more is that they cut down fan time. (Since I work in an industry where these type of conventions are for business, I understand it is business) but only 4 hours on Thursday???? Friday was at least fair at 6 hours and Sat looks like a deal but since they all leave early for the show and the crowd is twice as big I always skip Sat.

skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 2:22PM
This was the least worthwhile of the five times I've gone ... although fun, and I was glad to see people. The show itself just ain't all that anymore. Used to get a real buzz from it, and I know it's not all a matter of over-familiarity. Last year's was probably the best time ever at the show.
I'm starting to think that Erotica LA is the "destination" for fans, rather than Vegas. It's smaller (but growing), and because it's in LA there are more options. I expect I'll attend this summer, but I strongly doubt I'll go back to Vegas next year.
bono-ONE All-Star Supporter
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SAMCRO
8570 Posts
8/00
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 2:48PM
I still enjoy going and this year was no different. The crowds certainly on Fri and Sat were big but I still enjoy going up and seeing a smiling face and having a quick conversation which might sometimes go on longer if no one is around.
TheLoneGunman
Member

400 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jan 14 2008 : 4:34PM
It's just not the fans that are pushy...some of the trade people are an embarassment to their companies. I saw August have to slap some guy's hand away because he was trying to grab her ass. She should have just punched him and had him kicked out of there.
Cuddly Wombat
Senior Member

Just another bare bum in the shiower
1739 Posts
12/04
Posted - Feb 29 2008 : 9:00AM
I love the AEE as a populist festival of porn.
Sure, if your intent at attending AEE is to have lots of long, deep and meaningful, conversations with various stars, directors and producers, become their new best friend and, if you're lucky, bang some inebriated porn chick that falls on top of you at the Circle Bar, then yes, those days are probably long gone (unless perhaps you have $500 and a camcorder!).
However, if like me you just want to gawk at lots of lovely ladies (like so many exotic birds in a zoo), and generally soak up the raw sexual energy and general air of depravity that permeates Las Vegas during the AEE, then I don't think Los Angeles could replicate it. For example, most porn people live in LA and, once a day at the AEE in LA is over, they are likely to just go straight home and not contribute to the general lewd vibe of the city. They need to be isolated from home in a town like Vegas - trapped like caged wild animals in heat - in order to let their hair down.
One of the great things about Sin City during its most sinful week is that every night during the AEE week, every nightclub, stripclub, sleazy bar, wedding reception or bar mitzvah has a porn star as MC, teetering on her high stripper heels and shouting into her microphone: "I am a fucking porn star motherfuckers, look at me!". And people do - they crane their necks to see porn chicks wearing next to nothing marching purposefully in military formation through The Palms to some lucky bastard's "Hugh Hefner" suite. Dealers at the Venetian grab other staff to watch their tables whilst they go to "see some porn stars!". Every stripper asked me if I had seen any porn stars that week. The whole town goes crazy for porn chicks for one week - it is Andy Warhol's 15 minutes of fame gone apeshit.
I don't think that could be replicated in Los Angeles.
As for AEE being a place to do business, there are still plenty of industry-only sessions and events during AEE. Any business can also always be done after the day sessions in the bars and dimly-lit alleyways, where all the other meaningful business transactions take place in Vegas.
I also kind of find it a cool novelty at the AEE that the porn chicks have their clothes on for a change - it makes it an interesting challenge to properly identify them!



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