Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Jan 3 2002 : 7:59PM
In the January 2002 issue, AVN lists their top 50 for porn stars of all time.
I don't remember them all, but here's what I remember, and I'll post the rest when I see the mag again on the weekend.
#1 - Ron Jeremy #2 - Jenna Jameson
Others in the top ten - Traci Lords, Marilyn Chambers, Linda Lovelace, John Holmes
#10 - Rocco Siffredi
Others in the top 50: Christoph Clark Joey Silvera John Leslie Randy West Nina Hartley (maybe made top 10?) Chloe Jill Kelly #31 - Tera Patrick Sharon Mitchell Ed Powers Tom Byron Ginger Lynn Annie Sprinkle
PLEASE don't start arguing about who didn't make the list yet, as I probably shouldn't have posted anything until I had the list in front of me. I've only listed about 15 of 50 so far...
Jenna Jameson is #2?!? Ahead of Marilyn Chambers, Ginger Lynn, Annette Haven, Traci Lords, Nina Hartley, Christy Canyon, John Holmes, John Leslie, Jamie Gillis, Tom Byron, Peter North, etc., etc., etc.?
I can't wait to read the critera for the judging and the ages of the judges.
It will be interesting to see the whole list but I do think that Ginger Lynn and Marilyn Chambers should have been ahead of Jenna but she certainly deserves to be in the top ten if not top five. Ginger was the first female star I really liked because I was just old enough, 17, to appreciate her obvious talents.
In compiling our list, we took into account a number of criteria - popularity, ability, impact, mainstream acceptance, longevity and last but not least, good old fashioned looks. After much collective back and forth, we determined that the 50 performers we settled on all have one or more of those qualities. Other than saying it was done democratically, we'll spare you the arcane details as to how we came up with the final order.
-cut and pasted from AVN.com
So I guess that is how Jenna made number 2
hey, I could type up the list if you'd like
---Wishing I were anywhere but here, but I’m here and not anywhere---
1. Ron Jeremy 2. Jenna Jameson 3. John Holmes 4. Traci Lords 5. Linda Lovelace 6. Marilyn Chambers 7. Ginger Lynn 8. Vanessa Del Rio 9. Nina Hartley 10. Rocco Siffredi 11. Janine 12. Jamie Gills 13. Seka 14. Sean Michaels 15. Peter North 16. Jeanna Fine 17. Sharon Mitchell 18. Christy Canyon 19. Savannah 20. John Leslie 21. Tom Byron 22. Asia Carrera 23. Chloe 24. Ashlyn Gere 25. Houston 26. Ed Powers 27. Annie Sprinkle 28. Max Hardcore 29. Randy West 30. Veronica Hart 31. Tera Patrick 32. Jill Kelly 33. Joey Silvera 34. Taylor Hayes 35. Juli Ashton 36. Serenity 37. Heather Hunter 38. Klyie Ireland 39. Alisha Klass 40. Annabel Chong 41. Harry Reems 42. Georgina Spelvin 43. Shanna McCullough 44. Jasmin St. Clair 45. Gloria Leonard 46. Herschel Savage 47. Shane 48. Teri Weigel 49. Chasey Lain 50. Pamela Anderson & Tommy Lee
---Wishing I were anywhere but here, but I’m here and not anywhere---
I readily admit that my tastes are different from 99% of other porn fans. I mean, ZAZEL, NIGHT TRIPS, and OPENING OF MISTY BEETHOVEN are my three favorite flicks. Hell, I even like softcore!
So I know my list is going to look completely different from everyone else's. But I must say, I am still shocked by a lot of these choices. It looks to me like there are more contemporary girls than I would have anticipated.
And WHERE is my all time fav -- NIKKI DIAL!!! Seriously though, was her name tossed around?
_______________________________
"The greatest argument for the existence of God, is the beauty of the female form."
I had/have the same question as Planet Sex . "How did Ron Jeremy become #1?"
"In compiling our list, we took into account a number of criteria - popularity, ability, impact, mainstream acceptance, longevity and last but not least, good old fashioned looks."
On 2nd thought, he might have the above criteria covered, except for the last. Sorry Ron , the truth can hurt sometimes. (Of course, I shouldn't talk, he's been with more beautiful women than me & the graduating classes of my college, high school, junior high... Oh, maybe I'll just go kill myself now.)
That seemed like a pretty good list but did I miss Seymore Butts' name on the list. I was glad to see Shane make the list and I too would have liked to see Nikki Dial make it, she sure was a beautiful woman to watch on the screen.
But no Rene Bond, Kay Parker, Nancy Suiter, K.C. Williams, Barbara Dare, Constance Money, Victoria Paris, Desiree Cousteau, Candida Royalle, J.C. Laing, Dorothy LeMay, Nancy Hoffman, Jennifer Welles, Hypatia Lee, Jamie Summers, Lisa DeLeeuw, Jessie St. James, Tori Welles,
or NIKKI DIAL!!!
_______________________________
"The greatest argument for the existence of God, is the beauty of the female form."
okay I don't understand this list. Debbie Diamond isn't even on it and Janine is #11? AVN is crazy everyone knows her and she must be high on the name recognition list too.
First of all, putting a male performer at #1 is ludicrous, secondly, am I the only one who thinks Ron Jeremy is, well, not that studly. As for male performers, Peter North beats Jeremy hands down. And Jenna doesn't deserve #2...Marilyn Chambers should be #1.
2. Jenna Jameson- overrated, should be in the top 10, but not 2 4. Traci Lords- AVN really shouldn't be encouraging underage porn, but name recognition I guess earns her this spot. 7. Ginger Lynn- Should be 2nd 9. Nina Hartley- overrated, I always thought she looked ugly. 11. Janine- she only does G/G scenes, wtf? 15. Peter North-Should be up there, 3rd or 4th. 15th is ludicrous. 28. Max Hardcore-This guy is just sick 32. Jill Kelly- Should be much higher, as she has a big influence on the industry. 36. Serenity- the queen of features, should be higher 46. Herschel Savage- should be higher just for his longevity
[Link]
Steve K. Deactivated User
840 Posts 11/01
Posted - Jan 4 2002 : 8:54PM
This list in my view is really accurate. While I am not a huge Jenna fan, alot of people are. I do think that Peter North should have been #5. His cumshots are unbelievable.
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Jan 5 2002 : 2:39AM
I think it would be interesting to see a random 10 or more of you get together and agree on a top 50 porn star list (or a top 50 list of anything, for that matter).
So far, the only things that almost everyone agrees on is that Ron didn't deserve #1, and Nikki Dial should have been on the list. If the "judges" were simply the AVN staff, then I would approximate their average age to be in the mid-30s or so. And there would be quite a few in their 40s.
Tricia is spot on there. Everyone has their own, different opinions and agreement is going to be pretty rare.
Magazines (and others) love to come up with ‘best ever’ lists because they can never be proved right or wrong and generate discussion and interest, and usually without too much actual work being required. It might help to approach them about as seriously as a list of the top colors of all time.
It would have simplified things if they had separate lists by gender, though. As it is we could argue forever about whether #1 should be male or female, let alone come up with actual names!
Linnea Quigley and Michelle Bauer are indeed two different people. As Tina Tyler is my favorite adult star and horrible not on the list, Linnea is my favorite scream queen. Could have easily done without Houston, Max Hardcore, Jasmin St.Clair and the two most boring lays I've ever seen Savannah and Chasey Lain. Also, Shane,Taylor Hayes and Alisha Klass but no Seymore? Uh, wonder how they got so popular and gained their fame?Could have seen a nod go to Taija Rae, the most often requested where are they now post I see in the forum. Not my cup of tea but no Tori Welles. I'd like to see a breakdown of the eras all these people were at their height to get a feel for what era seemed to get pardon the pun shafted. Agree on Candida Royalle, Barbara Dare and Nikki Dial too. Agree also with Tricia about getting a group together to compile a list has it's problems but let's be serious. There are some horrible omissions here. I mean to have Peter North ranked 15 and as the sixth male down on the list???
No Juliette Anderson (aka Aunt Peg)??? No Amber Lynn??? No Raquel Darrian??? I'm appalled that Annette Haven didn't make the list either. WTF is up with number 50 on the list??? You make one home video and just because you're mainstream celebrities, you go down in history as 2 of the top 50 porn stars of all time? I don't get that at all. There are so many other deserving people who fought long and hard to be considered a porn star. I'm sure the last thing that Pam Anderson wanted was to be considered a porn star... even though she dresses like one
Thanks for the correction re: Linnea Quigley! After checking the facts, I have edited my post.
------------------------------------------ I love the fact AVN gives us Annabelle Chong and Houston, but no Rene Bond, Kay Parker, Constance Money, Candida Royalle, Hypatia Lee, Jamie Summers, or Nikki Dial. Absurd.
Sure, you are never going to get 10 people to agree. Hell, you can't get two people to agree to a list of 50 names. But there has to be a way that when the list is completed it makes some sense! I mean... no ANNETTE HAVEN?! That just flat out makes no sense at all.
_______________________________
"The greatest argument for the existence of God, is the beauty of the female form."
I DO NOT KNOW who or how AVN came up with the list, but I believe the idea of this is: 1. Ron Jeremy- after being on NBC and some music videos is very recognizable 2. Jenna Jameson- Howard Stern made her and porn a little more mainstream, as did the E! network. 3. John Holmes- I have never seen him in a film, but every knows what he looks like and why he is famous. 4. Traci Lords- She almost single handedly brought down the whole adult industry. 5. Linda Lovelace- Yet another name that is synonymous with porn. 10. Rocco- Italian Stallion with good looks make him recognizable anywhere. Plus the fact that he has been on Howard Stern doesn't hurt.
so those are some of the reasons, I believe, that they made the top ten.
---Wishing I were anywhere but here, but I’m here and not anywhere---
That really is a pretty decent list and I can understand the inclusion of just about everyone on there, though Ron Jeremy being #1 is a head scratcher. I find it kind of interesting that all 3 of Seymore's main ladies made the list and I agree that Jenna is overrated. Very pretty but as cold as a fish in a Minnesota lake in many scenes. I'd love to see a list based on consistent hotness of performance instead of popularity.
BTW, where the hell *is* Nikki Dial on that list. To this day, I think she was the best looking chick to ever grace a porn box cover and there are *definitely* women on that list who weren't as good looking and also weren't as enthusiastic in their scenes (Chasey Lain comes to mind).
Well, let's see..... I would have put Nina Hartley second, nothing against Jenna( I do love her work) but Nina's been in the business longer and it very educated about it. I DEFINITELY would have put Peter North in the top ten 'cause, well, do I really need a reason? Juli Ashton should have been higher because she's one of my favorites and very business minded. Houston, sorry, I don't find her that attractive and all the videos I've seen w/ Chasey Lain are nothing to write home about.
Sorry, I had to revive this post, but the biggest omission on AVN's list is Butman!!! without Buttman there would be no Seymore Butts. Without Buttman porn today would probably be all Vivid and Wicked Pictures. Buttman should definitely be in the top 5.
What about Linda Lovelace who really started porn video going for the "average" John Doe?
And then there is Seka and Annette Haven and Leslie Bovee and Kay Parker who really turn alot of heads and covered many to porn fanatics of today. Not me of course but everyone else.
Theses above actresses should be listed above them if Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee are at 50! They span like 10 years in the middle 70s to 80s!
I saw Linda Lovelace in the top 10! But everyone else above should also be in there for the top 50!
Pam and Tommy?! WTF? I agree, whoever compiled this list was smokin' some serious crack! Several stars should have been rater higher (or lower), and many stars were snubbed. I think they need to re-evaluate, and put out a new list!
This is the point , no europeans except for Seka but there are a lot of stars coming from Europe expecially french stars in the past ant eastern europe stars right now.
Sorry for bumping a ridiculously old thread here (my specialty, i guess), I just find it unbelievable that Annette Haven did not make this list. Usually these things are political - but I am not aware of Annette seriously bad-mouthing or otherwise pulling a Stacy Donovan on the Adult Industry. This 'Top 50' even dates back to 2001. Meaning Jenna Haze (obviously worthy of inclusion today), among others of more recent fame, were not even considered. In short, what the hell is wrong with these AVN people?
But I think you could, conceivably, argue that - being that JJ has a huge name (over-hyped, or not). Is there any way - any way in the world - that Annette Haven is not among the Top 50???? I'm not even that big a fan - I have her at #45 - and that's criminal.
[Link]
Rgreatness Deactivated User
21 Posts 7/14
Posted - Jul 4 2014 : 4:38PM
Lex Steele not being top 10 makes it bogus from the get go. Edited by - Rgreatness on 7/4/2014 4:39:22 PM
^ It was a 2002 chart , he was basically a newbie back then , in fact nobody is complaining for Bobbi Starr or Tori Black or even James Deen not being in there
Maybe I should just let this go, but to bring my argument here to conclusion; a quick jpeg of all the instances where Annette Haven was the leading lady, the headliner, in films - some that were big sellers. I'm not opposed to a little controversy, but to reiterate blakefan's point (above, from way-back-when), just make sense. Annette Haven had beauty, longevity, acting (yes!), and sex appeal all in spades. She had well over (100) feature films. Over 10 years of consistant performance. Virtually unheard of. At this point, maybe Annette could care less. But, just for credibility's sake, this "AVN comittee" (if you will) should amplify their reasoning. Trying to find a comparable analogy here, I would say: Its like Joe Dimaggio not being in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Nonsensical. A travesty. Worse than that; a disgrace.
[Link]
rtj2v0a Self-removed
Sports is to war as pornography is to sex. ― Jonathan Haidt 222 Posts 10/13
Posted - Jul 19 2014 : 12:32AM
^^^It's 12 years later and an entire generation of porn stars have come through. It's simply time for a new list.
interesting list but I think it's time for an updated list. I agree with some posters the following names should be reconsidered tori wells Victoria Paris Debbie diamond also, some new names from the 2000s should also be considered now Jenna haze tori black Sasha grey Lisa Ann probably some more names but none that pop out right now. also some basic reshuffling Jenna Jameson probably #1, Jill Kelly and Peter north higher and Max hardcore really has no business on this list. maybe on the extreme/circuis top 50 porn stars or something. also, when he's done consider lex Steele. Edited by - chessmaster on 5/26/2017 8:40:32 AM