Tell me you guys are bullshiting because I ordered this dvd just because of the 'bottle DP' shown on the cover !

Have you looked in the 'extra footage' section ?

Even the Evil Angel website has this picture promoting this film, so why would it not be in the film ?

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Thanks for getting back to me. No, I haven't checked the extra footage, and I shouldn't have to. The fact that Evil Angel is using this picture to promote the film led me to believe that the bottle DP was an integral part of the scene. As Wally mentioned, this isn't the first case of misrespresentation on an Evil Angel boxcover. I'm outraged.

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Nacho worked on the box with the graphic artist AFTER the movie was edited, so I'm not sure why he would pick that picture if he for some reason had to make a decision to not use it in the movie, or if there was no video footage of it.

I'm not passing all of the blame on Nacho. Although I had already turned the movie in to authoring and the replicator by the time I saw the boxcover, I should have been more thorough of making sure everything matched.

Once again, I apologize. We are trying really hard to be careful about the still pictures on the boxcovers, and we have made some really good catches on some Christoph and Rocco covers where someone in the DVD dept. noticed as they were working on the chaptering that a certain still picture's action wasn't in the movie, so we had the graphic artist company remove that picture.
We're not perfect, but we do try.

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Hey, that's all I ever ask, slip-ups happen, but I didn't mind not seeing it, in fact, I had watched the whole DVD before I even really looked at the boxcover. So obviously I didn't notice anything missing.

- - - B-I-G-m-i-k-e, over & out! - - -

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I first saw the picture of the bottle DP on the EA website long before the boxcover was ready. The thought of it has had me frothing at the mouth ever since and largely influenced my buying decision, so I was slightly more disappointed than BIGmike when it wasn't in the movie.

I'm not going to launch into a diatribe, although I was pretty pissed off this morning. I know these things happen and I appreciate your rapid acknowledgement that a mistake was made.

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Perhaps Nacho can provide an answer ?

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But I'll tell you what Nacho's answer will most likely be: he fucked up. I can't say it won't happen again, but I don't think I'm wrong by saying that he'll understand what a big disappointment this is to his fans and he'll be more careful about it in the future.

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If it has already shipped to you, then I can only offer my apologies to you once again, hope you believe that I can understand how frustrating this can be for someone who saw the picture and was looking forward to seeing it; and hope that you will find at least a couple of things in the movie to at least for a moment enjoy the DVD.

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But to change the subject slightly, I gather from some comment in the behind the scenes that it was shot using Panasonics new 24p camera -- which if so, perhaps accounts for the slightly different feel to the visuals? There's some cool editing, and vaguely special effects type stuff that I liked a lot.

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I just wish Avy just would of took deep
anal from Nacho & not the toy

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Max Booty
"With little power comes little responsibility."

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My sweetheart and I saw 'Back to Evil' last night and must say, it's damn good.

The bottle scene wasn't the only reason I got this disc, it's also because of Bella.
My girlfriend loves Bella, so the dvd was a must buy !

I'd have loved to see Avy take a deep anal too but Bella's scene alone is worth the price of the disc.

Without going in to, too much detail, the camera angles and editing were great and although I understand the reason for the 'lighting', I'd have perfered some of the scenes to be brighter.

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Glad that you guys ended up enjoying it, especially your girlfriend, becuase the movie does get kind of intense at times. But that's why I love Nacho.

I do feel bad about the picture. I remember looking at the boxcover and thinking, OK, Avy doesn't do anal, but she did take the bottle in her butt in this movie. I barely even looked at Nacho's dick in the picture......

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I hear that Avy was excited about, so since she was saving her boy-girl anal for Seymore, Nacho was all too happy to oblige her with a bottle in her bum.

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Proud member of the church of Tina.

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I was more assuming that maybe the stills had been intended for Nacho's website or something and that they didn't even try to do it for video.

And Toby - yes, Mason worked on-set for 3 of the scenes of the video. But that's the only part of Mason's and Nacho's stories that is the same. There's two completely different stories of how much work was done by who, and considering that I watched all of the raw footage and didn't hear Mason's voice except for when she was asking girl's how they felt while they were in the makeup room and saying "cool" when things were over, I have to say that I am completely comfortable in considering this movie 100% Nacho's.

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Direction, as Tricia may not be in a position to appreciate, entails a great deal more than verbal instructions during a shoot. The process of casting, vignette conception (of which Back 2 Evil relied heavily upon), acquiring props and locations, preparing talent and orchestrating the introduction and sex acts themselves, all require a directors hand.

Tricia makes reference to raw footage, presuming to grasp the extent of my involvement subsequently after its viewing, however, for the purposes of editing, and the difficulties posed by scrubbing inordinate amounts of audio from captured footage, verbal direction should always be kept to a minimum. It makes the editors job that much easier.

Tricia wrote on a previous thread, when the subject of my role on Back 2 Evil was brought up:

“There was quite a bit of back and forth going on about this, so to settle the matter in my own mind, I went straight to the source. Now, at least for myself, I feel confident that this movie is definitely Nacho.
The idea he says he reluctantly conceeded to, the pseudo-kidnap of Julie Knight, is my least favorite thing in the movie.”

This makes me question the entire veracity of Tricia’s grasp of events, seeing as the Julie Night scene, was one of two that I made no contribution--apart from casting suggestions-- at all.

I want people to know, I am not posting here to argue my role on Back 2 Evil. As far as I am concerned the issue was dead. I remain a fan of Nacho, and in fact just rented and thoroughly enjoyed No Limits 3 on Friday. Perhaps where Tricia and I can agree, is on his undoubted talents in front of the camera. Nacho in my mind is second only to Manuel Ferrara, as the best male performer in this industry.

But I can not allow over-simplifications and inaccuracies to be repeatedly made, without a rebuttal. I have no interest in justifying my contribution. But suffice to say, there is raw footage of the Behind the Scenes that I shot, which charted this movie from the beginning, and which I know substantiates my involvement. Please can this be the end of this tedious and long running saga.

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Was that Mason's voice in the Behind the Scenes?

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please start a new thread for totally off-topic questions - thanks, steph

Edited by - Steph on 7/13/2003 10:33:44 AM

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I was a little disturbed (sadly!) by Bella & Nacho's scene. Don't enjoy seeing Bella in distress and crying - I think it detracts greatly from the scene. You could say that her acting trapped and absused was a little too convincing for me.

(I did love her rough scenes in the Fashionistas, because she seemed to be loving it, and they seemed quite consensual).

Edited by - sassyshh on 7/26/2003 2:48:35 PM

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Some of the scenes seemed too robotic
for my taste.

But an average Nacho/EA release in my eyes.

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