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nruddock
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UK
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Posted - Mar 17 2001 : 2:46PM
I just got my first international order from Fivestar. They sent me two dvd’s in a box the size of a board game, so UK customs opened it and charged me about £8. Does Fivestar usually send packages to the UK in such obvious boxes? It didn't even fit in my letterbox!

If they sent them in a small box or a Jiffy bag, then no matter what the price of the good was, customs & the post-office wouldn’t add to the cost.

ant_si
Member

England
90 Posts
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Posted - Mar 17 2001 : 3:23PM
I agree to, the box is far to big! Other companies use USPS envoples which can fit through your door with upto 5 dvd inside!
I emailed them about this and i have not had any reponse from them.
Until they change there shipping ways i wouldnt orderer from them again.

Lie back and think of England!

DLC
Member

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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 5:01AM
I too ordered from them and all i orderd was one £11 DVD. It came in this massive box and they'd put in the front of the box that it had a value of $40. So guess what I got charged £9.50 in customs charges which more that what the DVD was worth. I'd never use them again.
Joey Starr
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Still wanking after all these years.
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 6:24AM
Thanks for the tip!

I was going to order from them but now that I've read your post and others, I'll pass and stick with my regular US supplier, Adult Lasersedge.

Until they get their act together on UK shipping, I guess Five Star's customer base will be VERY small.

Joey in London

Joey Starr
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 6:26AM
I meant customer base in the Uk, of course...

Joey

 
joeblow69
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 11:20AM
Can someone explain this UK shipping thing to an American?

Are companies that send DVD's into the UK supposed to say on the package how much the contents are worth?

If so, is that a law? Can a company get in trouble if they DON'T put the value on the outside of the box?

ant_si
Member

England
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 2:50PM
Yeah the company can get in trouble for not paying tax and V.A.T,
The customs in the UK will look at the green sticker which says what is in the parcel and and how much its worth, If its over £18 then they will charge you Tax. Only five star do this other companies will mark down the price to under£18.

Lie back and think of England!

nruddock
Member

UK
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 3:56PM
Is there any chance that the good psople here at 'Adult Dvd Talk' can use their contacts to help out the international consumers with this stupid packaging situation? It would really help us!! It's not like they will lose money by buying smaller boxes & paying less in shipping.
Saki
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 4:19PM
I doubt that anyone has to use their contacts for Five Star to reply. Ken Graham, one of the owners of Five Star DVD, reads this forum regularly and responds quickly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him reply during business hours tomorrow.

- Saki

JMO
Member

UK
104 Posts
2/01
Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 7:36PM
I've been very happy with my dealings with FiveStar, and I thought that although the packaging was a little unwieldy (the postman has to knock to deliver, and then you have to explain to everyone what's just come in the mail), the disks arrived okay.

The problem is in the Customs declaration. If Customs suspect the package is more valuable than the declared value, then they'll simply think of a number and charge you VAT on it. I suspect in the case of the £40 DVD, the Customs official had bought the same disk from his local sex shop and charged on the value of that.

I strongly suspect HM Customs and Excise are getting a bit more thorough about imported DVDs. Theoretically they can't touch them because of the Human Rights Act, but The Powers That Be don't want the plebs buying porn, so the idea is to charge heftily on the VAT. Most courier services charge hefty levies for Customs paperwork and that added to the cost and the Customs charges should dissuade people from ordering from abroad.

If Ken from FiveStar reads this, I'd suggest putting the disks in a Jiffy bag, quote the value as minus the postage on the envelope and declare it as "optical media". ;o)

nruddock
Member

UK
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Posted - Mar 18 2001 : 7:50PM
JMO,

I agree with you 100%. Hopefully Ken will read this topic.

five_star
Five Star DVD

Tempe, AZ
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Posted - Mar 19 2001 : 4:17PM
First of all I want to thank everyone for the feedback. We definitely monitor the forums here and we are always looking for ways to improve our service.

I was quite surprised when I read this thread describing us as using “Bad packaging”. In the past we have received a great deal positive feedback from our customers regarding our securely packed boxes. Customers often praise our generous use of packing material and well protected merchandise. We ship a significant number of domestic and international orders and we have received very few packaging complaints.

The main issue here seems to focus specifically on international packages being too large. We are certainly open to using a different type of package. I am not familiar with the term “Jiffy Bag” but we definitely look into using a padded envelope or a Tyvek envelope. Our #1 priority is making sure that the merchandise arrives securely and if we can make the package smaller at the same time then we will.

Regarding the customs declaration form, we declare the “actual” value of the merchandise not including shipping and we describe the merchandise as “DVD software”. Perhaps we could declare “optical media” instead but I am not sure what difference this would make.

If anyone has any further comments or suggestions please feel free to contact me directly: graham@fivestardvd.com

Ken Graham
Five Star DVD

ant_si
Member

England
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Posted - Mar 19 2001 : 5:20PM
Hi five star,
I sent you letter over a week ago about your shipping to the UK but recived no email back, does this mean it was ignored?

Lie back and think of England!

five_star
Five Star DVD

Tempe, AZ
167 Posts
11/99
Posted - Mar 19 2001 : 7:09PM
ant_si-

Our staff has been unable to find any recent email from you. The last message we received from you was on 2/8. If you have any questions or suggestions about our shipping policies I would be very interested in hearing from you.

Ken Graham
Five Star DVD

Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

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Posted - Mar 19 2001 : 8:00PM
Ken,
Jiffy Bags are the largest brand of padded envelopes. Their market share has caused padded envelopes fo become commonly known as Jiffy Bags (kind of like a Q-tip for a cotton swap or Band-Aid for an adhesive bandage).

They come in many different sizes. You can see some examples here. Unfortunately the USPS does not provide these for priority mail, so you will be stuck paying for them if you decide to use them.

Bill

 
Joey Starr
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Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 9:10AM
Then why declare a value of $40 when the DVD was $11 or so????? Even adding $5 for shipping total is less than $20 hence less than £18 and not liable for duty and extra charges. THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Joey in London UK

Joey Starr
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Still wanking after all these years.
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Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 9:15AM
Could it be you declare the list price of the DVD and not the discounted sale price you are actually selling it?

Joey

five_star
Five Star DVD

Tempe, AZ
167 Posts
11/99
Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 3:03PM
Joey Starr-

Our policy is to declare the actual price that you were charged not including shipping. We have received a few reports where UK customs (with out any explanation) decided to raise the declared value. That may be why you noticed a discrepancy and you may be able to dispute this. However, if we made an error on your customs form please contact our customer service department and we will be happy to correct it.

Ken Graham
Five Star DVD

JMO
Member

UK
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2/01
Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 3:14PM
Ken, I'd like to thank you for the always brilliant service. The USPS boxes are terrific for receiving multiple DVDs, and I've always thought they have a kind of reverse psychology on UK Customs - it's so big, it can't have anything interesting in. There's an offshore company mails DVDs under "optical media", because they don't expect Customs to know what that means, so they let it through thinking it's something computery. Most people I deal with mail in padded envelopes (I never thought "jiffy bag" might be an Anglicism), and most disks get through safely - as long as they don't pop off the spindle.

Thanks for listening.

Cheers.

Mark.

DLC
Member

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Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 4:06PM
OK then Mr Five Star DVD why was my DVD declared at a $40 dollar value when the DVD itself cost only £11. I ended getting charged £9.50 by customs, which was more than the DVD was worth! I just don't think those big boxes really work when your only shipping 1 DVD.
ant_si
Member

England
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Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 4:48PM
Listern up every body, Five star are starting to ship small orders to the Uk using Jiffy bags, It proves that they do listern to what you have to say, and to top it off the have given me a $10 coupon, I would like to say thanks to the top men and women at five star.


Lie back and think of England!

five_star
Five Star DVD

Tempe, AZ
167 Posts
11/99
Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 5:11PM
DLC-

I apologize if I haven’t explained things clearly enough in this thread so I’ll try again.

· We declare the actual merchandise total (not including shipping).

· If we made a mistake, please contact customer service and we will correct it.

· UK customs may change the declared value. You can dispute these changes with UK customs.

· We understand that some customers are unhappy with our international boxes. Effective tomorrow we will begin to use Jiffy Bags for small international orders.

If there is anything else that you’d like to discuss, please feel free to email me.

Ken Graham
Five Star DVD

nruddock
Member

UK
92 Posts
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Posted - Mar 20 2001 : 7:41PM
Thanks Ken!! Top marks for coming on here and sorting out the problems with the packaging for international orders. I only wish more stores listened to their customer like Fivestar do.
JMO
Member

UK
104 Posts
2/01
Posted - Mar 21 2001 : 2:47PM
Hear hear, kudos to FiveStar.



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