I love DP scenes but gangbangs are my favourite and my partner enjoys them most too. I've been a member of julesjordan, HardX and evil angel in the past but I've downloaded most of their previous gangbang scenes. I can't help but noticing that hardly any good new gangbang scenes (or even 3 on 1 scenes) are being produced anymore. Unless you have hundreds of bucks to spend on porn, Legalporno is unaffordable (unfortunately as they have tons of great scenes I'd get if they had a reasonably priced monthly membership without the ticket system) but in the US, you don't really see Gangbang scenes now I love Mason and think she may be the best gangbang director. Previously she could be relied upon for at least 2 gangbang scenes a year (not many but it's something), but it's been 18 months since we saw a gangbang from her. Is there anywhere available that does high quality gangbang scenes? If not why? 100% budget ? If American companies can't afford to shoot a handful of gangbang a year how can Legalporno afford countless every month?
European girls (especially those from eastern European countries) are way cheaper. Up until a year or more ago KINK's hardcoregangbang and boundgangbangs were elite. New high quality scene every single week with great performers both female and male. They had no trouble attracting big name performers cause they were concidered the go to place for girls who wanted to shoot gangbangs. Then they decided for whatever reason to change their ways, fired princess Donna who was their best director and the site died out. Nowadays they produce one new scene every two weeks mostly with girls shooting their 4th or 5th scene for the site. The scenes are weak and the male talent looks and performs terribly. Far below the standard they set themselves. I don't think we'll ever see another big name performer on their site. It's sad really. There's still legalporno but unfortunately every scene is almost the same. No themes or storylines (very rarely) like kink used to do.
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Posted - Jan 22 2017 : 10:33AM
I think that today's economics in the porn industry put the "gangbang," and/or most larger performing cast genres, on the endangered list. It simply costs the studios too much money to produce these type scenes in larger numbers. Niche sites may be the best bet, but they can only charge so much for membership and still attract members. Also, I personally have zero interest in watching scenes padded-out with "mopes" (i.e. instead of the better name-brand studs), that make larger male cast scenes economically feasible in the first place. I can find some appeal in smaller scale "gangbangs" (i.e. three to five studs, tops), provided the studs are of really good quality, even if they're not household names :)
^ I agree. That's part of the problem, the dudes need to be good Regarding Fred's comment - I know euro girls are cheaper but Legalporno shoots more gangbangs with American girls than any American company does ...
Maybe their model is working better than a subrscription model and they are doing really well so they can afford it. And why not? They might be more costly than Europeans but the big names they invite over like AJ Applegate, Syren De mer, Veronica Avluv, Casey Calvert are probably gonna make up for it in sales. A lot of American girls are in the top scenes nowadays. Definitely worth the gamble. Veruca James wrote in her thread that she offered DAP but they declined cause her price was too high. My guess it they speculate how good the scene is gonna do depending on how big the name of the star and they act accordingly. A Veruca James scene including DAP isn't gonna attract a lot more customers than a scene without it whilst an AJ Applegate scene with DAP is a huge draw for the site. Not to mention the value of new customers. The bigger the name the bigger the fan base they attract to their site. People visit for their favorite star and end up coming back cause the quality that can't be found elsewhere. Edited by - Fred Norris on 1/22/2017 11:34:19 AM
^ They've only shot like less than 10 american girls last year. My guess is if non American girls wanted to get paid like the American girls do legalporno wouldn't exist.
The simple answer is that the owner of LP is also the owner of one of the biggest tube site on the planet so he has all that money he gets from stolen content to use on his site so that means that he can pay is performers significantly more money than all the other producers who simply make their money from their own content. So of course if you pay a performer twice or three or four times their normal rate than you can get them to do significantly more extreme content than they would normally be willing to do for another studio. That's why American performers like Samantha Rone, Maddy O'Reilly, Veronica Avluv to name a few chose to do gangbangs and dap's for LP. Money is a difficult thing to pass up when the amount you are offered is so much greater than you have ever gotten.
^^ Manwin (now MindGeek) has made themselves into the McDonald's of the porn marketplace and it's worked out pretty well for them. Occasionally they stray from the middle of the road but I doubt they see much sense in producing a lot of niche content on a regular basis. Gangbangs definitely are somewhat niche by the way, which is something I haven't seen anyone address here. I remember a while back HardXj confirmed that while series like Facialized and Gangbang Me are highly requested on this forum they are actually among the least popular on the site. So given the high production costs and relatively narrow audience for the material, it's not that surprising we've seen a dip in gangbang scenes.
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Posted - Jan 22 2017 : 2:56PM
^Like I've said about hard raceplay, there's niche and then there's niche. I don't know how narrow the consumer base is, and it's hard to judge either way from individual sites because there are other factors involved. We also have to distinguish between gangbangs not selling because they're gangbangs and gangbangs that don't sell for some other reason.
I think we have to recognize LP's funding mechanism here. They are able to charge for these scenes whereas most of the sites in America lump them in with a general membership that is supposed to subsidize the higher cost scenes. I think Kink was doing something like that but I don't know since I've never joined or had an interest in their content. The subscription would probably cost a lot since you aren't only paying for these high cost scenes you would also be paying for the inevitable piracy of the scene as well. Those two things together make most of these group scenes look like bad investments on paper.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 22 2017 : 3:54PM
Why wouldn't HardX's gangbangs sell? I'm not even a fan of the genre but their gangbangs are of obvious high quality, a lot better than LP's content. Clearly these videos are of limited appeal compared to b/g, etc. As MF says Mindgeek has been able to make a killing producing completely MOR material (and suckling off the teat of their tubesites). When it is all about $ why would they bother shooting more expensive material? LP's focus on more 'extreme' content is probably done to exactly differentiate their content from Manwin, Bang Bros, etc. In fact that was almost always the driving factor in the production of most of 'extreme' content in porn: providing something the competition wasn't. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/22/2017 3:56:30 PM
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Posted - Jan 22 2017 : 4:05PM
I understand that you and others may like Hard X's gangbangs more than what you've seen on LP, but I don't know how true that is of gangbang fans in general. I'm only one example, but I much prefer AJ Applegate's work on LP to her Gangbang Me 1 scene. Incidentally, I like Mason's Gangbanged series for Elegant Angel more than her Gangbang Me series for Hard X. Although it's not necessarily relevant since the market has changed, I wonder how Gangbanged 1-5 sold compared to Gangbang Me 1 and 2. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/22/2017 4:07:45 PM EDIT: Just as an addendum, I really liked Asa Akira's Gangbanged 6. I'd easily choose it over either entry in the Gangbang Me series. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/22/2017 4:22:23 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 22 2017 : 4:27PM
As we know hard to tell what any 'average' porn viewer or in this case gb fans prefers. Is degradation and 'extremism' the main draw for gb fans? Hard to know, as we know from ADT often those with 'extreme' or even misogynist tastes can often be the most vocal but not neccesarily the most representative. In terms of the EA and HardX material some of the difference in quality you feel may be down to the female performers involved, a performer like Bobbi Starr is more likely to produce a better gb scene than some of the more vanilla performers. As most gb are not to my taste I haven't kept up with the HardX material so I can't comment too directly on it.
Have you ever known a rich person to be generous with his money because in my 50 years that has never happened. Rich people want to make and keep as much money as they can regardless that they have more than they will ever spend in their entire life. For that reason the owner of LP wants to make as much profit as he can. In his defense he does produce a type of porn that I think may be ultra popular with his fan base but it's a fan base that I believe is significantly smaller than for other types of porn. I don't know how what you like but frankly dap's fall under the category of porn circus acts that I prefer not to watch and LP is the leader in DAP. Therefore I think that he has to charge more for access to cover the lower amount of paying members and he also has to off-set the hire cost of the models because most models will ask for a lot more money to allow two dicks in their asses.
^ There's definitely a stylistic shift from Mason to Asa. Asa's style seemed more akin to Kink's take on gangbangs so if you're not into that your mileage may vary.
