Ban descriptions of underage sex

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Teddy Rattlesnake Senior Member Anti-authoritarian activist 2317 Posts 4/14	Posted - Oct 23 2014 : 10:01PM Recently I read an interview with a new porn starlet who said she was 11 when she had her first sexual experience. Eleven year olds do not have sex, they are raped. Maybe some folks here will think that I'm over reacting but to me this is wrong. ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16. I love ADT, I surf here every day, but I don't think that a porn website is an appropriate place to describe the sexual abuse of kids. I mean no offense to anyone. I really hope I don't get deactivated for this. [Link]
ladd3rfr3ak Member Gia Itzel is love 383 Posts 12/13	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 1:28AM raped by another 11 or 12 or 13 year olds? [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 1:44AM First off she never did it was an adult who did so, most likely was another kid , did they rape each other? Secondly , why should we not TALK about this? If we don't it would appear as marginal or non existing, also it was an interview to a person who was telling us facts , not a discussion about porn as itself [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 6:35AM "Her first sexual experience" can mean a lot of other things than her first actual intercourse. Even her first masturbation experience could be called that. Or just watching something and noticing that it excites her... who knows. I would need to read the interview and her exact description to correctly evaluate what was happening and if it was sexual abuse bzw. rape. I agree 11 would be too young for intercourse and thus it would be disturbing if that really was the case. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 9:06AM ^ I can't see why, I mean there was nothing descriptive , just the age even if it was a rape then what should reality stay hidden? Would you promote a fake reality where nothing happens until eighteen? Instead such data should very much put a light about how early people begun to have sex , I wasn't of age for example and I begun masturbating a lot earlier than that Edited by - LCF on 10/24/2014 9:09:45 AM [Link]

Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 10:42AM LCF wrote: ^ I can't see why, I mean there was nothing descriptive , just the age even if it was a rape then what should reality stay hidden? Would you promote a fake reality where nothing happens until eighteen? Click to expand I only said that this reality would not be a good one, if it's one. I didn't say anything in the sense that a bad reality should be hidden. Between accepting a reality where everything (i.e. even full intercourse) happens already at 11 yrs and a (obviously non-existing) reality where nothing happens until 18 yrs there is a lot of room. So I would promote neither of these extremes. Obviously. Thats why I hinted that I found e.g. masturbation at 11 yrs is possible. [Link]
SxDoctor Member 103 Posts 10/06	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 12:08PM There is decent chance OP is talking about this recent interview on this site with Melissa May: I lost my virginity when I was 11 and didn’t have sex again until I was 13. That time, I got double teamed by two guys. I thought it was so cool. I was 13 and they were 18 or 19. I thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m such a bad ass right now! ‘ Click to expand [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 2:04PM Well I begun masturbating at 7 was caught by my mother few months before turning twelve and had my first full intercourse three months before turning 17 with an older girl, she was well over 19 (I lied to her though) the way she put that interview she was well aware of what she was doing, possibly not much responsible but she knew and she didn't felt abused, she doesn't even now that she can think through that better. I helped my female cousin to fuck her BF when she was 13 and he was 16 (me too) by covering them when they went fucking but lied to my aunt neither of us saw that as a rape we all were well aware of what we were doing Edited by - LCF on 10/24/2014 2:04:54 PM [Link]
CameraOp Member 38 Posts 4/09	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:11PM teddyrattlesnake wrote: Eleven year olds do not have sex, they are raped. Maybe some folks here will think that I'm over reacting but to me this is wrong. Click to expand I'm one of those folks who thinks you're overacting. I first had sex at 13. The girl was 14. Did I rape her? Did she rape me? I really don't know. But I suspect what we did was more natural and normal that rape. Too early? Probably. But rape? [Link]
N00dlesDaddy Senior Member Layla...got me on my knees... 1793 Posts 7/13	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:20PM I'd imagine a very high percentage of people become sexually active (knowledgeably and consentingly) before they are of legal age. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:55PM I don't at all agree that "ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16" but I strongly feel that 11 is too young an age to lose your virginity. Melissa's story about being "double teamed" by men at age 13 is disturbing. The men should have known better. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 4:17PM ^ I agree with your evaluation of course. Whether generally speaking I agree that a 13 yo having sex with an adult is basically a rape due to the great difference in seductive skills and experience , I also have a tolerance when the victim herself when coming of age doesn't see her experience as rape. If i have to judge in a tribunal when she's still 13 I'd vote guilty, but years later when the victim didn't see that as a rape , she knows what was in her mind back then. When I was 12 there was a neighbor with a son of eight she was probably 27 or 28 , I don't know ,all adults seemed old to me at that age , but I really lusted her , if she wanted to fuck me she didn't have to use any skill I was very much willing and ready well before she even saw me.Nothing happened , but I know everything I thought , it wouldn't have been a rape. EDIT to add , I don't know about you guys, perhaps it's because I have a photographic memory and remember what I did at very early ages , I remember the images but can't place them in the exact year , I saw my first pussy when I was 3 or 4 , it was a girl of 8 or 9 she liked to show off her pussy she wore an elementary school pinky uniform, I was in preschool , Edited by - LCF on 10/24/2014 5:12:13 PM [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 4:59PM I can't support that idea. Whether it is right, wrong, or anywhere in between, these events have already taken place. Treating ADT users as if they were children would not change that. If it offends you, don't listen to it. You don't have the right to determine what others should or should not be able to hear. [Link]
Teddy Rattlesnake Senior Member Anti-authoritarian activist 2317 Posts 4/14	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 7:10PM I would bet that no one here would be happy knowing that their 13 year daughter was having a 3 way with two adult males. A 13-14 year old having sex with their bf who is around the same age is far less harmful than her having sex with adults who know that it is both legally and morally wrong. I would bet the farm that Melissa May's first rapist was far older than she was. I was 15 and my girlfriend was 16 when we had sex the first time. Neither of us exploited the other. Ask any gynecologist if they think that it's fine for an 11 year old to be having vaginal or anal sex with anyone. I won't hold my breath. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 9:08PM Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue. It's whether adults can talk about it or not. [Link]

hickes01 Member 42 Posts 4/14	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 12:54AM a9nostic wrote: Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue. It's whether adults can talk about it or not. Click to expand OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy. [Link]
el_porno Member Everyone, no matter how refined, had a stash of porn. 175 Posts 9/11	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 7:13AM I lost my virginity when I was 11 and didn’t have sex again until I was 13. That time, I got double teamed by two guys. I thought it was so cool. I was 13 and they were 18 or 19. I thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m such a bad ass right now! ‘ Click to expand Click to expand Now that is some fucked up shit. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 7:29AM hickes01 wrote: a9nostic wrote: Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue. It's whether adults can talk about it or not. Click to expand OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy. Click to expand The way she talks about it after 5 years doesn't seem as traumatic as you think it is, you don't know anything abut what happened , you just assumed the boys went after her and exploited her naivety to double team her, but what if it was the opposite and she went after two of the coolest boys around and possibly lied to them about her age saying she was 16 for example? those guys were 18 and 19 couldn't even watch porn or drink or play poker, so much for adults, they likely just saw some free pussy willing to do some nasty things they couldn't believe they were going to get. I personally lied to a 19 years old girl telling her I was almost 18 but I actually was 16, she was my very first full intercourse was older than me and a lot more experienced yet I was able to fool her and was a boy opposed to a sexually active girl. I'm not even saying it's all right, but I see funny that there's people concerned about her parents getting shocked that their daughter was doing threesomes at 13 , especially considering she's a porn star. If my my daughter at eighteen tells me , dad when I was 13 I did a threesome with two guys of 18 and 19, I'd be shocked but there's nothing I can do, it already happened , long ago , I'd just ask if she's fine with that , if she isI see no problem, my major concern would be her health and sanity . Would I pursue the guys legally, hell no, if my daughter is fine with that, why should I traumatize her forcing her to testify in a tribunal? Why should I put in daylight she is so sexually open and put her in a blacklist for many? Possibly condemning her to a life of harassments from those who think she's an easy prey and a hell of a fuck free for all? I certainly would not, on both accounts Edited by - LCF on 10/25/2014 9:22:08 AM [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 9:44AM There is a very good book about a similar debate that took place in Congress in the 1830s. Arguing about Slavery. At the time, slavery was a bit of a taboo topic, but some Northern Congressmen would periodically receive petitions asking for the abolition of slavery. Northern Congressman would present the petitions to Congress. A motion to table the petition would be approved, and Congress would go on with its business. At some point, one of the Southern tyrants who fancied himself a gentleman and a republican, stood up and said, "We should not even hear these petitions for the two seconds it takes to table them. There should be no discussion of the question of slavery in Congress." This initiated a ten-year debate over whether or not Congress could discuss the question of slavery. This debate also represented the start of the active discussion of slavery in Congress. So, if you want to debate whether or not we can discuss underage sex, know that in the process we will be discussing underage sex. I have no problem with discussing underage sex. But those who want to ban it, might consider locking this thread. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:26AM hickes01 wrote: I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. Click to expand This was an interview, not a porn shoot. I think that we should make a distinction between the illegality and immorality of what these two men did and how Melissa actually feels about it. We know that what happened was illegal and I assume that all of us also see it as wrong. Still, we don't know that Melissa was traumatized by what happened, though perhaps she was. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:50AM LCF wrote: If my my daughter at eighteen tells me , dad when I was 13 I did a threesome with two guys of 18 and 19, I'd be shocked but there's nothing I can do, it already happened , long ago , I'd just ask if she's fine with that , if she isI see no problem, my major concern would be her health and sanity . Would I pursue the guys legally, hell no, if my daughter is fine with that, why should I traumatize her forcing her to testify in a tribunal? Click to expand I would feel that I failed as a mother if my daughter told me the same story today as Melissa, but like you I would not pursue it further. Happily I don't think that I'll ever have to face such a situation. My daughter and I have discussed sex for most of her life, since in raising her I made a point of never treating the topic as a taboo. When my daughter lost her virginity, she told me as soon as she came home. If she had experienced what Melissa did she would have told me when it happened and I would have dealt with it. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/25/2014 11:54:15 AM [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 8:43PM misspornUSA wrote: I don't at all agree that "ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16" but I strongly feel that 11 is too young an age to lose your virginity. Melissa's story about being "double teamed" by men at age 13 is disturbing. The men should have known better. Click to expand A "double-teaming" of a thirteen old girl by two adults is sick and disgusting. Those adults need their beaten to a pulp, their dicks cut off, a stick stuffed in their dicks and their dicks on a stick up their asses repeatedly. Then cut their balls off and make them swallow them. Finally strap a car to each of these guys limbs (arms and legs), aim the cars in four different directions and have them floor the accelerator in unison. Of course I come from a generation that didn't lose their virginity until at least college (I was 21), many until marriage. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 8:54PM mharris127 wrote: misspornUSA wrote: I don't at all agree that "ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16" but I strongly feel that 11 is too young an age to lose your virginity. Melissa's story about being "double teamed" by men at age 13 is disturbing. The men should have known better. Click to expand A "double-teaming" of a thirteen old girl by two adults is sick and disgusting. Those adults need their beaten to a pulp, their dicks cut off, a stick stuffed in their dicks and their dicks on a stick up their asses repeatedly. Then cut their balls off and make them swallow them. Finally strap a car to each of these guys limbs (arms and legs), aim the cars in four different directions and have them floor the accelerator in unison. Of course I come from a generation that didn't lose their virginity until at least college (I was 21), many until marriage. Click to expand Phew thought that was a new Jim Powers movie for a second. Ok i was trying to share a joke in what is a serious topic,i must admit i hate when girls are quizzed on camera by Directors and talk about when they lost their virginity,about puberty etc. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 9:47PM ^The interview wasn't on camera or part of a scene. I'd be interested to know what Captain Jack, who conducted the interview, thinks about all of this. ^^Don't get me wrong, had it been my daughter I would have wanted to kill those guys. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 10:13PM misspornUSA wrote: ^The interview wasn't on camera or part of a scene. Click to expand I was talking about in other movies [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:10PM ^My mistake. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:43AM hickes01 wrote: a9nostic wrote: Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue. It's whether adults can talk about it or not. Click to expand OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy. Click to expand Aren't you being a little hard on yourself? How is enjoying seeing consenting adults have sex in anyway even obliquely similar to supporting people that take advantage of the most vulnerable sector of our society? I think the most exploitative pornographer is still a different type, not degree, removed from the people we're talking about. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:58AM <snip> If my my daughter at eighteen tells me , dad when I was 13 I did a threesome with two guys of 18 and 19, I'd be shocked but there's nothing I can do, it already happened , long ago , I'd just ask if she's fine with that , if she isI see no problem, my major concern would be her health and sanity . Would I pursue the guys legally, hell no, if my daughter is fine with that, why should I traumatize her forcing her to testify in a tribunal? Why should I put in daylight she is so sexually open and put her in a blacklist for many? Possibly condemning her to a life of harassments from those who think she's an easy prey and a hell of a fuck free for all? <snip> Click to expand I think kind of the same way. Persecuting them won't un-rape my daughter. That whole damned Arrow Of Time thing :) But, understanding that, I decided many years ago to not treat my daughter as if she were an idiot, and to tell her the things she needs to know in order to get by in this life without being embarrassed. Like don't believe anything a guy under 28 tells you. Like your best "platonic" male friend has thought about having sex with you. Like it doesn't mean that you're not a worthwhile person for any other reason, this is just how evolution has guaranteed that our species will survive. Like don't go anywhere with a guy alone, nor if you might later end up alone... call me even if it's 3am and you snuck out of the house. The gratifying thing is that even though she blows me off at the time, like any teenager would, I do hear her repeating some of the things that I said to her friends when she didn't know I could hear her. So, Dads of ADT, talk to your daughters; they're listening and you've got wisdom for them that their mom's can't give them. Heh, a porn forum PSA :) The more you know... [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 1:00AM CummingLinguist wrote: There is a very good book about a similar debate that took place in Congress in the 1830s. Arguing about Slavery. At the time, slavery was a bit of a taboo topic, but some Northern Congressmen would periodically receive petitions asking for the abolition of slavery. Northern Congressman would present the petitions to Congress. A motion to table the petition would be approved, and Congress would go on with its business. At some point, one of the Southern tyrants who fancied himself a gentleman and a republican, stood up and said, "We should not even hear these petitions for the two seconds it takes to table them. There should be no discussion of the question of slavery in Congress." This initiated a ten-year debate over whether or not Congress could discuss the question of slavery. This debate also represented the start of the active discussion of slavery in Congress. So, if you want to debate whether or not we can discuss underage sex, know that in the process we will be discussing underage sex. I have no problem with discussing underage sex. But those who want to ban it, might consider locking this thread. Click to expand +1 OK, that was the Nuclear Option, but not inappropriate :) [Link]
hickes01 Member 42 Posts 4/14	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 2:26AM Aren't you being a little hard on yourself? How is enjoying seeing consenting adults have sex in anyway even obliquely similar to supporting people that take advantage of the most vulnerable sector of our society? I think the most exploitative pornographer is still a different type, not degree, removed from the people we're talking about. Click to expand You are probably right and I can't seem to find the right words here. Let's just say that I was raised Catholic and I still struggle with the "guilt" of watching porn. That said, when I watch a Riley Reid, Remy Lacroix or Jodi Taylor perform, I'm confident that they have made a reasoned and intelligent choice to be there. In fact, I'm often impressed with the maturity and confidence they display at such young ages. This has been a pretty good discussion for this forum. For while there, I thought I was at the Huffingtonpost. It has given me a lot to think about. Stinkfist, I think you win the round with the best comment. PS-- Loved your advice to your daughter on "platonic" friends. I gave my Niece the same Bro-warning as she left for college this year. [Link]
WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:19AM ...and even if we decide to ban (censor) the description of their first sex intercourses at underage....... What are going to do?? We change their interviews?! think about Captain Jack.... He asks a girl and she says "I was 11/14/16"..... what should he write? He cant even write she was underage because you dont want to read about underage. He has to put a fake legal age, or to skip the question. This is what I call censorship. Talking and describing facts is NOT illegal. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 4:38AM I'm under the impression that many here think "adult" as middle aged those guys were teenagers themselves , I'm not condoning them , I wouldn't in any way have done anything as such , when I turned 20 I was very blunt (borderline cruel) with any girl under 18 to make sure they won't hit me ever again (not out of morality, I just saw them too immature). But you are losing perspective especially because we are talking about a girl who was already sexually active since 11 yo as she said and was probably more experienced than them. There are some interviews who were a lot more disturbing than that , either in BTS or written, girls who said they lost virginity at 16 or even 15 with guys over 30 or even middle aged , not THAT is disturbing , a lot I would say, much more than a 18 boy with a 13 yo girl Edited by - LCF on 10/26/2014 4:39:37 AM [Link]
Dragon Sign Deactivated User 3381 Posts 12/13	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 5:51AM You just cannot take away statements, that's not the road to walk, and the great likes of Bree Olsen or Kelsea Michaels they just couldn't be taken away from BTS segments back when they started doing those and stated this with a smile on their lips. [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 7:04AM teddyrattlesnake wrote: -BAN NABOKOV!!! Click to expand ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 10/26/2014 1:30:12 PM [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 10:02AM a9nostic wrote: CummingLinguist wrote: ... I have no problem with discussing underage sex. But those who want to ban it, might consider locking this thread. Click to expand +1 OK, that was the Nuclear Option, but not inappropriate :) Click to expand I was not recommending that the thread be locked, but that people recognize the fact that by discussing whether or not to discuss underage sex we are also discussing underage sex. This thread about Traci Lords was locked, and I don't think there are any other threads about her. I have no opinion about whether or not the moderators should allow a thread about Traci Lords to sprout up on this board. She has done a lot since her 18th birthday. There are even reasonable questions to ask about Traci Lords's early career, like: Did she use her fake birth certificate to get a real drivers license, or was the drivers license a fake too? and Are the current measures used to verify performers' ages adequate? But if someone started a thread asking whether or not we could discuss her early work, I would lock it in a heartbeat. (I think a passing mention of Traci Lords's early work is fine, or else I wouldn't have brought it up. But a whole thread devoted to it is clearly problematic. Similarly, a passing mention of underage sex– as when you ask a performer about his or her early sexual encounters– is fine. But a thread about underage sex is problematic.) teddyrattlesnake wrote: ... ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16. .... I really hope I don't get deactivated for this. Click to expand Teddyrattlesnake: You clearly understood the problem. Why didn't you just email a mod or Janitor with your concern? [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 11:54AM LCF wrote: I'm under the impression that many here think "adult" as middle aged those guys were teenagers themselves , I'm not condoning them , I wouldn't in any way have done anything as such , when I turned 20 I was very blunt (borderline cruel) with any girl under 18 to make sure they won't hit me ever again (not out of morality, I just saw them too immature). Click to expand Unless they were retarded, they were adults compared to her. It would be even worse if two men in their fifties had done this, sure, but these guys were adults too. I'm not a fanatic about the federal age of consent like many other Americans are, but two 18 year olds having sex with a 13 year old is dark. LCF wrote: But you are losing perspective especially because we are talking about a girl who was already sexually active since 11 yo as she said and was probably more experienced than them. Click to expand Melissa May said: I lost my virginity when I was 11 and didn’t have sex again until I was 13. (emphasis mine) Click to expand LCF wrote: There are some interviews who were a lot more disturbing than that , either in BTS or written, girls who said they lost virginity at 16 or even 15 with guys over 30 or even middle aged , not THAT is disturbing , a lot I would say, much more than a 18 boy with a 13 yo girl Click to expand I would be furious with the male involved in any case. There's probably something more sinister about a man 30+ years of age who has sex with a 15 year old (though the attraction in and of itself is not unnatural and to me morally neutral), but I still couldn't say that is inherently worse than two men with a 13 year old. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/26/2014 11:55:23 AM Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/26/2014 2:22:16 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:05PM ^ I want to repeat once again that I'm not fine with that, I'm saying the reaction is irrational [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:26PM ^Yes, I understand that you're not supporting what happened. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:00PM I don't like the idea of censoring descriptions of sex on a porn forum, even if it involves under-age sex. However, in a perfect world no 11 or 13 year old girl would even be thinking about having sex -- certainly not actually doing so. I think 16 is a good age to be the cut-off for statutory rape and performing in porn. I know I was pretty much responsible for myself at 16 and I don't think I did anything then that I wouldn't have done at 30 (I think we would all agree that someone at age 30 is an adult). However, I was still immature at 11 and 13 and did not have the mental capacity to understand what the implications of sex were (and for the most part still are) at that age. At 11 I don't remember even thinking about sex (I first masturbated at 14-15, I first had sex at 21). I had my first girlfriend at 14 (she was 15) and neither of us even remotely wanted to have sex with each other (or at all). What the fuck happened since 1960 that 11-13 year olds are having sex? Is it bad parenting? The oversexualized (for children's viewing) TV shows on basic cable and network television at all hours of the day? Kids getting into parents porn collections (my nephew did just that at 14)? I really don't know, I am curious as to what you all think. What should we do about this as a society since 11 year old girls obviously can't adequately care for a baby and some girls are capable of becoming pregnant at that age, almost all girls are capable of pregnancy by 14 and I don't think a person can care for a baby at that age either and not just for financial reasons? [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:52PM ^If 11-13 year olds are having sex I'm going to guess that it's because they're watching porn online, but I can't say this with any certainty since I haven't seen any studies that demonstrate casualty between children watching porn, or even watching sexually explicit television, and having sex. There are still a lot of parents who are unwilling to discuss sex to any real extent with their kids, and that silence is definitely counterproductive. My father never discussed sex with me, and I ended up getting my education in large part from his poorly hidden, rather large collection of VHS tapes and my own ill-advised teenage adventures. Parents are a bit more open now it seems but still not nearly open enough. [Link]
WideAngle Senior Member GAMBO192 1367 Posts 9/11	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 4:11AM Traci Lords?? WTF this is totally different!! Traci was fucking on camera and being paid while underage, and this is illegal, but we are talking about people who say they had sex while underage, and this is not illegal: talking about personal life is not illegal, and neither is having sex underage (not in Europe, at least, but I think in US too). So.....basically some people here is fearing somewhat that I think is more fear of themselves than of the reality... You don't like to know some people had sex so young? Deal with it, or read something else, because those are facts which happened. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 9:38AM ^ If 11 13 are watching porn then they are already interested in it , the only interest porn have is when it arouses you, when you watch something you don't like or are not interested in , it does nothing , it's boring , hence I assume those kids were interested and possibly aroused mharris127 wrote: I don't like the idea of censoring descriptions of sex on a porn forum, even if it involves under-age sex. However, in a perfect world no 11 or 13 year old girl would even be thinking about having sex -- certainly not actually doing so Click to expand Are you kidding? Not only they do, but also the most part of the women I know had sex at 13 or 14 for the first time, most of those in Junior High (11 to 13 here) have a boyfriend ,there are parents who bring their 13 yo daughters to the doctor to find out what pill they should take, they know there's no way to stop them. When fourteen we used to go hit on girls 12 13 out of a feminine junior high , there was a line... As I said I helped my own cousin to have intimacy with her BF at 13 , her sister who was 11 didn't take longer than her to begin her sexual life. When I said I did it in late 16 , I felt like a retarded , they all were already long active at that age and we're talking about full sex , not BJs or handjobs If you read Captain Jack's interviews most of the girls had sex around 13 Maybe it's because I do remember how I felt back then , but sex was already my main interest at 12 or 13 , and this without any porn , it was before the internet era and the only way I could get a porn was a sexy shop or a XXX theatre , I actually tried to get in twice in France , I was 15 and both times the owner kicked me out in the ass, badly. Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 9:53:01 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 11:30AM LCF wrote: If 11 13 are watching porn then they are already interested in it , the only interest porn have is when it arouses you, when you watch something you don't like or are not interested in , it does nothing , it's boring , hence I assume those kids were interested and possibly aroused Click to expand Children have a natural, healthy curiosity about sex and sexuality and I did too, but I watched porn at such a young age because I had no one to give me answers. I wonder how many kids today look up things about sexuality online hoping to have things explained to them and end up discovering free porn instead. Would very many of them feel comfortable discussing what they saw with their parents? It seems to me that watching hardcore porn greatly increases the desire for sex among a lot of these kids. I occasionally hear or read news reports about young, prepubescent children getting into trouble for simulating sex acts at school. Where did that come from? That's more than just a basic curiosity about sex. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/27/2014 11:32:17 AM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 4:13PM ^ I agree , in Italy we had to remove Wrestling from TV during children's hours because some of them badly injured some classmates imitating the moves. Anyway when we begun sexual education at school , at the very beginning of the lesson we were puzzled ,we had such classes in our School's theatre when we noticed that not all of us were allowed to tend , it was limited to those over 18 , then we all laughed and I personally said the teachers : Isn't this a little too late? Like 5 years late , almost all of us are already experienced , we would have needed such lesson before we begin. The teachers almost laughed themselves (they were two, a male to threat about male organs and a female for female organs they thought that it could be embarassing for the girls to be described by a male) and one of them said , do you have an idea the kind of troubles we may face if we talk about sex to minors? By the parents I mean especially those of the girls especially if a male talks about it to them. We only had three lessons , we were never told why they stopped. My younger brother didn't have them , not that he needed those very much by the way. I felt sad , I have to admit our life and even our ability to cope with our sexuality is actually dictate by idiots and bigots even when ,lucky us, we have understanding parents We were explained heterosexuality only, again very laughable I was an activist for homosexual rights and I got my share of insults for that myself ,but this is another story. Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 4:21:59 PM [Link]
Rio_Stud Deactivated User 234 Posts 8/14	Posted - Mar 7 2015 : 2:35AM Yeah her story is messed up. And of course it´s a huge reason why she is in porn. A lot of porn girls have these experiences. Edited by - Rio_Stud on 3/7/2015 2:37:43 AM [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Mar 7 2015 : 5:33AM The thing about adults imposing rules and restrictions on children that might interfere with their developing sexuality is that these children will eventually grow up and end up being in charge of society. Children, who resent being treated like children now, will remember this, when they grow up. And they will change our society in a reaction to the way they were treated before. I think present-day adults would do well to remember that they are in charge of society and its rules only temporarily. If adults impose their rules and laws on children in a way that these children resent, then this is a sure way to make their society go the other way eventually. It's not so much about restricting or not restricting the sexuality of children, as it is about getting children to agree with the way they are treated. Hiding information from children and being dictatorial and authoritarian with them is what leads to their resentment and a big change in society, when these children grow up and take charge of their society. [Link]

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Posted - Oct 23 2014 : 10:01PM

Recently I read an interview with a new porn starlet who said she was 11 when she had her first sexual experience. Eleven year olds do not have sex, they are raped. Maybe some folks here will think that I'm over reacting but to me this is wrong. ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16. I love ADT, I surf here every day, but I don't think that a porn website is an appropriate place to describe the sexual abuse of kids. I mean no offense to anyone. I really hope I don't get deactivated for this.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 1:28AM

raped by another 11 or 12 or 13 year olds?

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 1:44AM

First off she never did it was an adult who did so, most likely was another kid , did they rape each other?
Secondly , why should we not TALK about this? If we don't it would appear as marginal or non existing, also it was an interview to a person who was telling us facts , not a discussion about porn as itself

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 6:35AM

"Her first sexual experience" can mean a lot of other things than her first actual intercourse. Even her first masturbation experience could be called that. Or just watching something and noticing that it excites her... who knows. I would need to read the interview and her exact description to correctly evaluate what was happening and if it was sexual abuse bzw. rape.
I agree 11 would be too young for intercourse and thus it would be disturbing if that really was the case.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 9:06AM

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I can't see why, I mean there was nothing descriptive , just the age even if it was a rape then what should reality stay hidden?
Would you promote a fake reality where nothing happens until eighteen?
Instead such data should very much put a light about how early people begun to have sex , I wasn't of age for example and I begun masturbating a lot earlier than that
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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 10:42AM

I only said that this reality would not be a good one, if it's one. I didn't say anything in the sense that a bad reality should be hidden.
Between accepting a reality where everything (i.e. even full intercourse) happens already at 11 yrs and a (obviously non-existing) reality where nothing happens until 18 yrs there is a lot of room. So I would promote neither of these extremes. Obviously. Thats why I hinted that I found e.g. masturbation at 11 yrs is possible.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 12:08PM

There is decent chance OP is talking about this recent interview on this site with Melissa May:

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 2:04PM

Well I begun masturbating at 7 was caught by my mother few months before turning twelve and had my first full intercourse three months before turning 17 with an older girl, she was well over 19 (I lied to her though) the way she put that interview she was well aware of what she was doing, possibly not much responsible but she knew and she didn't felt abused, she doesn't even now that she can think through that better.
I helped my female cousin to fuck her BF when she was 13 and he was 16 (me too) by covering them when they went fucking but lied to my aunt neither of us saw that as a rape we all were well aware of what we were doing
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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:11PM

I'm one of those folks who thinks you're overacting. I first had sex at 13. The girl was 14. Did I rape her? Did she rape me? I really don't know. But I suspect what we did was more natural and normal that rape. Too early? Probably. But rape?

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:20PM

I'd imagine a very high percentage of people become sexually active (knowledgeably and consentingly) before they are of legal age.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 3:55PM

I don't at all agree that "ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16" but I strongly feel that 11 is too young an age to lose your virginity. Melissa's story about being "double teamed" by men at age 13 is disturbing. The men should have known better.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 4:17PM

^
I agree with your evaluation of course.
Whether generally speaking I agree that a 13 yo having sex with an adult is basically a rape due to the great difference in seductive skills and experience , I also have a tolerance when the victim herself when coming of age doesn't see her experience as rape.
If i have to judge in a tribunal when she's still 13 I'd vote guilty, but years later when the victim didn't see that as a rape , she knows what was in her mind back then.
When I was 12 there was a neighbor with a son of eight she was probably 27 or 28 , I don't know ,all adults seemed old to me at that age , but I really lusted her , if she wanted to fuck me she didn't have to use any skill I was very much willing and ready well before she even saw me.Nothing happened , but I know everything I thought , it wouldn't have been a rape.
EDIT to add , I don't know about you guys, perhaps it's because I have a photographic memory and remember what I did at very early ages , I remember the images but can't place them in the exact year , I saw my first pussy when I was 3 or 4 , it was a girl of 8 or 9 she liked to show off her pussy she wore an elementary school pinky uniform, I was in preschool ,
Edited by - LCF on 10/24/2014 5:12:13 PM

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 4:59PM

I can't support that idea.
Whether it is right, wrong, or anywhere in between, these events have already taken place. Treating ADT users as if they were children would not change that.
If it offends you, don't listen to it. You don't have the right to determine what others should or should not be able to hear.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 7:10PM

I would bet that no one here would be happy knowing that their 13 year daughter was having a 3 way with two adult males. A 13-14 year old having sex with their bf who is around the same age is far less harmful than her having sex with adults who know that it is both legally and morally wrong. I would bet the farm that Melissa May's first rapist was far older than she was. I was 15 and my girlfriend was 16 when we had sex the first time. Neither of us exploited the other. Ask any gynecologist if they think that it's fine for an 11 year old to be having vaginal or anal sex with anyone. I won't hold my breath.

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Posted - Oct 24 2014 : 9:08PM

Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue.
It's whether adults can talk about it or not.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 12:54AM

OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 7:13AM

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Now that is some fucked up shit.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 7:29AM

hickes01 wrote:
a9nostic wrote:
Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue.
It's whether adults can talk about it or not.
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OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy.
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The way she talks about it after 5 years doesn't seem as traumatic as you think it is, you don't know anything abut what happened , you just assumed the boys went after her and exploited her naivety to double team her, but what if it was the opposite and she went after two of the coolest boys around and possibly lied to them about her age saying she was 16 for example? those guys were 18 and 19 couldn't even watch porn or drink or play poker, so much for adults, they likely just saw some free pussy willing to do some nasty things they couldn't believe they were going to get.
I personally lied to a 19 years old girl telling her I was almost 18 but I actually was 16, she was my very first full intercourse was older than me and a lot more experienced yet I was able to fool her and was a boy opposed to a sexually active girl.
I'm not even saying it's all right, but I see funny that there's people concerned about her parents getting shocked that their daughter was doing threesomes at 13 , especially considering she's a porn star.
If my my daughter at eighteen tells me , dad when I was 13 I did a threesome with two guys of 18 and 19, I'd be shocked but there's nothing I can do, it already happened , long ago , I'd just ask if she's fine with that , if she isI see no problem, my major concern would be her health and sanity . Would I pursue the guys legally, hell no, if my daughter is fine with that, why should I traumatize her forcing her to testify in a tribunal? Why should I put in daylight she is so sexually open and put her in a blacklist for many? Possibly condemning her to a life of harassments from those who think she's an easy prey and a hell of a fuck free for all?
I certainly would not, on both accounts

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 9:44AM

There is a very good book about a similar debate that took place in Congress in the 1830s.

Arguing about Slavery.
At the time, slavery was a bit of a taboo topic, but some Northern Congressmen would periodically receive petitions asking for the abolition of slavery. Northern Congressman would present the petitions to Congress. A motion to table the petition would be approved, and Congress would go on with its business.
At some point, one of the Southern tyrants who fancied himself a gentleman and a republican, stood up and said, "We should not even hear these petitions for the two seconds it takes to table them. There should be no discussion of the question of slavery in Congress."
This initiated a ten-year debate over whether or not Congress could discuss the question of slavery. This debate also represented the start of the active discussion of slavery in Congress.
So, if you want to debate whether or not we can discuss underage sex, know that in the process we will be discussing underage sex.
I have no problem with discussing underage sex. But those who want to ban it, might consider locking this thread.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:26AM

This was an interview, not a porn shoot.
I think that we should make a distinction between the illegality and immorality of what these two men did and how Melissa actually feels about it. We know that what happened was illegal and I assume that all of us also see it as wrong. Still, we don't know that Melissa was traumatized by what happened, though perhaps she was.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:50AM

I would feel that I failed as a mother if my daughter told me the same story today as Melissa, but like you I would not pursue it further. Happily I don't think that I'll ever have to face such a situation. My daughter and I have discussed sex for most of her life, since in raising her I made a point of never treating the topic as a taboo. When my daughter lost her virginity, she told me as soon as she came home. If she had experienced what Melissa did she would have told me when it happened and I would have dealt with it.
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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 8:43PM

A "double-teaming" of a thirteen old girl by two adults is sick and disgusting. Those adults need their beaten to a pulp, their dicks cut off, a stick stuffed in their dicks and their dicks on a stick up their asses repeatedly. Then cut their balls off and make them swallow them. Finally strap a car to each of these guys limbs (arms and legs), aim the cars in four different directions and have them floor the accelerator in unison. Of course I come from a generation that didn't lose their virginity until at least college (I was 21), many until marriage.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 8:54PM

mharris127 wrote:
misspornUSA wrote:
I don't at all agree that "ADT should implement a policy banning the description of sexual activity of anyone under the age of 16" but I strongly feel that 11 is too young an age to lose your virginity. Melissa's story about being "double teamed" by men at age 13 is disturbing. The men should have known better.
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A "double-teaming" of a thirteen old girl by two adults is sick and disgusting. Those adults need their beaten to a pulp, their dicks cut off, a stick stuffed in their dicks and their dicks on a stick up their asses repeatedly. Then cut their balls off and make them swallow them. Finally strap a car to each of these guys limbs (arms and legs), aim the cars in four different directions and have them floor the accelerator in unison. Of course I come from a generation that didn't lose their virginity until at least college (I was 21), many until marriage.
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Phew thought that was a new Jim Powers movie for a second.
Ok i was trying to share a joke in what is a serious topic,i must admit i hate when girls are quizzed on camera by Directors and talk about when they lost their virginity,about puberty etc.

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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 9:47PM

^The interview wasn't on camera or part of a scene.
I'd be interested to know what Captain Jack, who conducted the interview, thinks about all of this.
^^Don't get me wrong, had it been my daughter I would have wanted to kill those guys.

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stinkfist
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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 10:13PM

I was talking about in other movies

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 25 2014 : 11:10PM

^My mistake.

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:43AM

hickes01 wrote:
a9nostic wrote:
Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue.
It's whether adults can talk about it or not.
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OK. Let's talk about it. A 13-year old getting "double-teamed" by two adults is horrific. In my mind, there can be no discussion of this being consensual sex. This is two assholes raping a child. You are correct, banning the discussion does not erase the past act. However, this issue does hit home with me and creates quite a ethical dilemma. I like watching porn, but I don't like watching traumatized girls destroy their lives. In a perfect world, the Producer/Director would stop the shoot and send the girl to a Rape/Crisis counselor. I know people are going to disagree and I'm not judging anyone, but sometimes it's a very difficult deal with my own hypocrisy.
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Aren't you being a little hard on yourself? How is enjoying seeing consenting adults have sex in anyway even obliquely similar to supporting people that take advantage of the most vulnerable sector of our society? I think the most exploitative pornographer is still a different type, not degree, removed from the people we're talking about.

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a9nostic
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:58AM

I think kind of the same way. Persecuting them won't un-rape my daughter. That whole damned Arrow Of Time thing :) But, understanding that, I decided many years ago to not treat my daughter as if she were an idiot, and to tell her the things she needs to know in order to get by in this life without being embarrassed. Like don't believe anything a guy under 28 tells you. Like your best "platonic" male friend has thought about having sex with you. Like it doesn't mean that you're not a worthwhile person for any other reason, this is just how evolution has guaranteed that our species will survive. Like don't go anywhere with a guy alone, nor if you might later end up alone... call me even if it's 3am and you snuck out of the house.
The gratifying thing is that even though she blows me off at the time, like any teenager would, I do hear her repeating some of the things that I said to her friends when she didn't know I could hear her. So, Dads of ADT, talk to your daughters; they're listening and you've got wisdom for them that their mom's can't give them.
Heh, a porn forum PSA :) The more you know...

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 1:00AM

CummingLinguist wrote:
There is a very good book about a similar debate that took place in Congress in the 1830s.

Arguing about Slavery.
At the time, slavery was a bit of a taboo topic, but some Northern Congressmen would periodically receive petitions asking for the abolition of slavery. Northern Congressman would present the petitions to Congress. A motion to table the petition would be approved, and Congress would go on with its business.
At some point, one of the Southern tyrants who fancied himself a gentleman and a republican, stood up and said, "We should not even hear these petitions for the two seconds it takes to table them. There should be no discussion of the question of slavery in Congress."
This initiated a ten-year debate over whether or not Congress could discuss the question of slavery. This debate also represented the start of the active discussion of slavery in Congress.
So, if you want to debate whether or not we can discuss underage sex, know that in the process we will be discussing underage sex.
I have no problem with discussing underage sex. But those who want to ban it, might consider locking this thread.
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+1 OK, that was the Nuclear Option, but not inappropriate :)

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hickes01
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 2:26AM

You are probably right and I can't seem to find the right words here. Let's just say that I was raised Catholic and I still struggle with the "guilt" of watching porn. That said, when I watch a Riley Reid, Remy Lacroix or Jodi Taylor perform, I'm confident that they have made a reasoned and intelligent choice to be there. In fact, I'm often impressed with the maturity and confidence they display at such young ages.
This has been a pretty good discussion for this forum. For while there, I thought I was at the Huffingtonpost. It has given me a lot to think about. Stinkfist, I think you win the round with the best comment.
PS-- Loved your advice to your daughter on "platonic" friends. I gave my Niece the same Bro-warning as she left for college this year.

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:19AM

...and even if we decide to ban (censor) the description of their first sex intercourses at underage.......
What are going to do?? We change their interviews?! think about Captain Jack.... He asks a girl and she says "I was 11/14/16"..... what should he write? He cant even write she was underage because you dont want to read about underage. He has to put a fake legal age, or to skip the question.
This is what I call censorship.
Talking and describing facts is NOT illegal.

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 4:38AM

I'm under the impression that many here think "adult" as middle aged those guys were teenagers themselves , I'm not condoning them , I wouldn't in any way have done anything as such , when I turned 20 I was very blunt (borderline cruel) with any girl under 18 to make sure they won't hit me ever again (not out of morality, I just saw them too immature).
But you are losing perspective especially because we are talking about a girl who was already sexually active since 11 yo as she said and was probably more experienced than them.
There are some interviews who were a lot more disturbing than that , either in BTS or written, girls who said they lost virginity at 16 or even 15 with guys over 30 or even middle aged , not THAT is disturbing , a lot I would say, much more than a 18 boy with a 13 yo girl
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 5:51AM

You just cannot take away statements, that's not the road to walk, and the great likes of Bree Olsen or Kelsea Michaels they just couldn't be taken away from BTS segments back when they started doing those and stated this with a smile on their lips.

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Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 10:02AM

I was not recommending that the thread be locked, but that people recognize the fact that by discussing whether or not to discuss underage sex we are also discussing underage sex.
This thread about Traci Lords was locked, and I don't think there are any other threads about her. I have no opinion about whether or not the moderators should allow a thread about Traci Lords to sprout up on this board. She has done a lot since her 18th birthday.
There are even reasonable questions to ask about Traci Lords's early career, like: Did she use her fake birth certificate to get a real drivers license, or was the drivers license a fake too? and Are the current measures used to verify performers' ages adequate? But if someone started a thread asking whether or not we could discuss her early work, I would lock it in a heartbeat.
(I think a passing mention of Traci Lords's early work is fine, or else I wouldn't have brought it up. But a whole thread devoted to it is clearly problematic. Similarly, a passing mention of underage sex– as when you ask a performer about his or her early sexual encounters– is fine. But a thread about underage sex is problematic.)

Teddyrattlesnake: You clearly understood the problem. Why didn't you just email a mod or Janitor with your concern?

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 11:54AM

Unless they were retarded, they were adults compared to her. It would be even worse if two men in their fifties had done this, sure, but these guys were adults too. I'm not a fanatic about the federal age of consent like many other Americans are, but two 18 year olds having sex with a 13 year old is dark.

I would be furious with the male involved in any case. There's probably something more sinister about a man 30+ years of age who has sex with a 15 year old (though the attraction in and of itself is not unnatural and to me morally neutral), but I still couldn't say that is inherently worse than two men with a 13 year old.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/26/2014 11:55:23 AM
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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:05PM

^
I want to repeat once again that I'm not fine with that, I'm saying the reaction is irrational

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 12:26PM

^Yes, I understand that you're not supporting what happened.

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:00PM

I don't like the idea of censoring descriptions of sex on a porn forum, even if it involves under-age sex. However, in a perfect world no 11 or 13 year old girl would even be thinking about having sex -- certainly not actually doing so. I think 16 is a good age to be the cut-off for statutory rape and performing in porn. I know I was pretty much responsible for myself at 16 and I don't think I did anything then that I wouldn't have done at 30 (I think we would all agree that someone at age 30 is an adult). However, I was still immature at 11 and 13 and did not have the mental capacity to understand what the implications of sex were (and for the most part still are) at that age. At 11 I don't remember even thinking about sex (I first masturbated at 14-15, I first had sex at 21).
I had my first girlfriend at 14 (she was 15) and neither of us even remotely wanted to have sex with each other (or at all). What the fuck happened since 1960 that 11-13 year olds are having sex? Is it bad parenting? The oversexualized (for children's viewing) TV shows on basic cable and network television at all hours of the day? Kids getting into parents porn collections (my nephew did just that at 14)? I really don't know, I am curious as to what you all think. What should we do about this as a society since 11 year old girls obviously can't adequately care for a baby and some girls are capable of becoming pregnant at that age, almost all girls are capable of pregnancy by 14 and I don't think a person can care for a baby at that age either and not just for financial reasons?

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Posted - Oct 26 2014 : 3:52PM

^If 11-13 year olds are having sex I'm going to guess that it's because they're watching porn online, but I can't say this with any certainty since I haven't seen any studies that demonstrate casualty between children watching porn, or even watching sexually explicit television, and having sex.
There are still a lot of parents who are unwilling to discuss sex to any real extent with their kids, and that silence is definitely counterproductive. My father never discussed sex with me, and I ended up getting my education in large part from his poorly hidden, rather large collection of VHS tapes and my own ill-advised teenage adventures. Parents are a bit more open now it seems but still not nearly open enough.

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 4:11AM

Traci Lords?? WTF this is totally different!!
Traci was fucking on camera and being paid while underage, and this is illegal, but we are talking about people who say they had sex while underage, and this is not illegal: talking about personal life is not illegal, and neither is having sex underage (not in Europe, at least, but I think in US too).
So.....basically some people here is fearing somewhat that I think is more fear of themselves than of the reality... You don't like to know some people had sex so young? Deal with it, or read something else, because those are facts which happened.

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 9:38AM

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If 11 13 are watching porn then they are already interested in it , the only interest porn have is when it arouses you, when you watch something you don't like or are not interested in , it does nothing , it's boring , hence I assume those kids were interested and possibly aroused

Are you kidding?
Not only they do, but also the most part of the women I know had sex at 13 or 14 for the first time, most of those in Junior High (11 to 13 here) have a boyfriend ,there are parents who bring their 13 yo daughters to the doctor to find out what pill they should take, they know there's no way to stop them.
When fourteen we used to go hit on girls 12 13 out of a feminine junior high , there was a line...
As I said I helped my own cousin to have intimacy with her BF at 13 , her sister who was 11 didn't take longer than her to begin her sexual life.
When I said I did it in late 16 , I felt like a retarded , they all were already long active at that age and we're talking about full sex , not BJs or handjobs
If you read Captain Jack's interviews most of the girls had sex around 13
Maybe it's because I do remember how I felt back then , but sex was already my main interest at 12 or 13 , and this without any porn , it was before the internet era and the only way I could get a porn was a sexy shop or a XXX theatre , I actually tried to get in twice in France , I was 15 and both times the owner kicked me out in the ass, badly.

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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 11:30AM

Children have a natural, healthy curiosity about sex and sexuality and I did too, but I watched porn at such a young age because I had no one to give me answers. I wonder how many kids today look up things about sexuality online hoping to have things explained to them and end up discovering free porn instead. Would very many of them feel comfortable discussing what they saw with their parents?
It seems to me that watching hardcore porn greatly increases the desire for sex among a lot of these kids. I occasionally hear or read news reports about young, prepubescent children getting into trouble for simulating sex acts at school. Where did that come from? That's more than just a basic curiosity about sex.
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Posted - Oct 27 2014 : 4:13PM

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I agree , in Italy we had to remove Wrestling from TV during children's hours because some of them badly injured some classmates imitating the moves.
Anyway when we begun sexual education at school , at the very beginning of the lesson we were puzzled ,we had such classes in our School's theatre when we noticed that not all of us were allowed to tend , it was limited to those over 18 , then we all laughed and I personally said the teachers : Isn't this a little too late? Like 5 years late , almost all of us are already experienced , we would have needed such lesson before we begin.
The teachers almost laughed themselves (they were two, a male to threat about male organs and a female for female organs they thought that it could be embarassing for the girls to be described by a male) and one of them said , do you have an idea the kind of troubles we may face if we talk about sex to minors? By the parents I mean especially those of the girls especially if a male talks about it to them.
We only had three lessons , we were never told why they stopped. My younger brother didn't have them , not that he needed those very much by the way.
I felt sad , I have to admit our life and even our ability to cope with our sexuality is actually dictate by idiots and bigots even when ,lucky us, we have understanding parents
We were explained heterosexuality only, again very laughable I was an activist for homosexual rights and I got my share of insults for that myself ,but this is another story.

Edited by - LCF on 10/27/2014 4:21:59 PM

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Posted - Mar 7 2015 : 2:35AM

Yeah her story is messed up. And of course it´s a huge reason why she is in porn. A lot of porn girls have these experiences.
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Posted - Mar 7 2015 : 5:33AM

The thing about adults imposing rules and restrictions on children that might interfere with their developing sexuality is that these children will eventually grow up and end up being in charge of society.
Children, who resent being treated like children now, will remember this, when they grow up. And they will change our society in a reaction to the way they were treated before.
I think present-day adults would do well to remember that they are in charge of society and its rules only temporarily. If adults impose their rules and laws on children in a way that these children resent, then this is a sure way to make their society go the other way eventually.
It's not so much about restricting or not restricting the sexuality of children, as it is about getting children to agree with the way they are treated. Hiding information from children and being dictatorial and authoritarian with them is what leads to their resentment and a big change in society, when these children grow up and take charge of their society.

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