Bangbros wants your Feedback (page 4)

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vimesk Member 177 Posts 4/14	Posted - May 4 2015 : 3:29PM I see it's been around a decade since you had Alektra Blue on the site, I thinks it's time for a new scene [Link]
fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - May 4 2015 : 3:29PM JordanB wrote: fredgee wrote: Run Brown Bunnies at least weekly. Don't make it ir. Get Devyn Divine on asap she looks like Nicki Minaj twin it will go over big with the right guy someone like Sean Michaels, LT, Rico Strong etc. Hood type guys who don' be hugging kissing licking moaning and groaning on women. Get Jade Aspen on she is a superstar. Click to expand We are reaching out to Jade today. thanks Click to expand Rite on...if there is anything else I can do to help holla at me. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 4 2015 : 3:43PM Have you guys ever thought to some bangbus scenes where the girls actually drive and seek for males and maybe take turn on him ? Better if they are a restricted roster playing a role and possibly describing to the girl forced to drive what's going on and what he's doing to her Not all in the same scene of course just an idea I know you tried something but the guys always took control or talked too much , it should be a female only crew and if there's a male working he just have to keep silent and maintain the set up Edited by - LCF on 5/4/2015 3:47:19 PM [Link]
Xanderian Member 404 Posts 1/11	Posted - May 4 2015 : 5:04PM stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! [Link]

homesickalien Member 19 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 4 2015 : 5:31PM Thanks so much for being receptive to feedback, JordanB. One example of what makes Bangbros my favorite porn site :) One main thought: MORE REVERSE BANGBUS - by far my favorite porn scenes on the internet. There hasn't been a new reverse bangbus scene in over a month at this point (since Kelsi Monroe) and I've been pretty bummed lol. Just curious: is it mostly a matter of interest/availability/scheduling? I imagine established pornstars are obviously paid significantly more than newer models and much less available. And breaking new talent has big value too, of course. I guess overall I've just been most drawn to the "random guy" Bangbros scenes, like Fuck Team 5 and Can You Score. I know the risk is always the guy can't perform/finish since he's not a pro but I often still prefer that scenario over Brick or JMac slamming booty in perfect sync for five minutes straight (not saying they aren't great at what they do!). Not sure if I'm in the minority, but a solid reverse bangbus scene with a few normal-ish looking dudes and a hot pornstar every week or every other week would be awesome! And since other people have posted their dreamgirls: Madison Ivy (good lord I miss her), Abella Danger, Keisha Grey, Kendra Lust, Ava Addams, Destiny Dixon, AJ Applegate, Mandy Muse, Phoenix Marie, Valerie Kay, Courtney Cummz, Dillon Carter, Morgan Lee, Roxy Reynolds (pipe dream), Mia Khalifa, Julianna Vega, Kyra Hot...ok so pretty much all the sexy ladies. Thanks again and hope this helps! Edited by - homesickalien on 5/4/2015 5:33:06 PM Edited by - homesickalien on 5/4/2015 5:40:35 PM [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - May 4 2015 : 8:22PM Hi Jordan, The only complaint that I would have is that I'd like to see more exotic girls. Even the ethnic girls that you guys do get all seem kind of the same, like they are all really from LA, or something. Now that Brazilian porn has pretty much dried up, a nice "real" latina every now and then would sure be nice. [Link]
kimbo Member 351 Posts 4/15	Posted - May 4 2015 : 10:11PM a9nostic wrote: Hi Jordan, The only complaint that I would have is that I'd like to see more exotic girls. Even the ethnic girls that you guys do get all seem kind of the same, like they are all really from LA, or something. Now that Brazilian porn has pretty much dried up, a nice "real" latina every now and then would sure be nice. Click to expand Most sites use white Latinas and it's boring. Some "brown" latinas would be nice. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - May 5 2015 : 4:30AM Please pass on to your webmaster that I love the new rollover popups to give more information about each scene. Great job! [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 5 2015 : 9:41AM Aya wrote: Glad to see the feedback being implemented so quickly, a lot of places could learn from your example. I may be alone in this, but I personally don't want to see the following women in G/G scenes; Dani Daniels Cherie Deville Celeste Star Eva Lovia Click to expand Eva Lovia is hot but under contract, dani daniels is pretty much everywhere already. We kind of want to go with the up and coming starlets, like Jenna Sativa, Sabrina Banks, Liza [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 5 2015 : 10:49AM Xanderian wrote: stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! Click to expand Did you feel the trailer on the site accurately depicted the scene? Just curious [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 5 2015 : 11:20AM chyneeze wrote: Registered just to post in this thread! GIRLS I WANT TO SEE Arabelle Raphael Mz Berlin Proxy Paige Marie Leone Mena Li Darling Nikki Valentina Nappi (I know shes not unfamiliar to Bangbros just wanna see more of her!) Dana Dearmond Vanessa Del GUYS I WANT TO SEE Charlie mac Charlie Mac Charlie Mac It seems you guys have a good working relationship with Charlie mac, long may it continue. Why this guys is not a more recognised/wider used talent I'll never know. Anytime I see an update that involves this guy I know its a gonna be good. Click to expand You should be happy with todays update then :) [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - May 5 2015 : 12:21PM JordanB wrote: Aya wrote: Glad to see the feedback being implemented so quickly, a lot of places could learn from your example. I may be alone in this, but I personally don't want to see the following women in G/G scenes; Dani Daniels Cherie Deville Celeste Star Eva Lovia Click to expand Eva Lovia is hot but under contract, dani daniels is pretty much everywhere already. We kind of want to go with the up and coming starlets, like Jenna Sativa, Sabrina Banks, Liza Click to expand Cool, some other newbies to consider: Kenna James Goldie Allie Rae Uma Jolie Sasha Heart Tara Morgan [Link]
Xanderian Member 404 Posts 1/11	Posted - May 5 2015 : 12:25PM JordanB wrote: Xanderian wrote: stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! Click to expand Did you feel the trailer on the site accurately depicted the scene? Just curious Click to expand Yes why shouldnt it ? Only male talent cannot be seen in the trailer/scene [Link]
darthroc Member 754 Posts 4/14	Posted - May 5 2015 : 3:00PM Jordan, if you are looking for up and coming girls you should get Tomi Taylor . Here are her pages and threads. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/tomi-taylor-new-at-age-25#post As Mina from netvideogirls http://netvideogirls.net/nervous-seduction-leads-to-sexual-expression/ http://netvideogirls.net/mina-returns-for-her-2nd-netvideogirls-audition/ Mods, about the last two links, they seem to be to a legitimate promo site created by netvideogirls, though I think its crazy that they would allow such extensive previews of thier scenes. If you feel the website is not legitimate feel free to delete the links. [Link]

chyneeze Member 25 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 5 2015 : 5:40PM JordanB wrote: chyneeze wrote: Registered just to post in this thread! GIRLS I WANT TO SEE Arabelle Raphael Mz Berlin Proxy Paige Marie Leone Mena Li Darling Nikki Valentina Nappi (I know shes not unfamiliar to Bangbros just wanna see more of her!) Dana Dearmond Vanessa Del GUYS I WANT TO SEE Charlie mac Charlie Mac Charlie Mac It seems you guys have a good working relationship with Charlie mac, long may it continue. Why this guys is not a more recognised/wider used talent I'll never know. Anytime I see an update that involves this guy I know its a gonna be good. Click to expand You should be happy with todays update then :) Click to expand Yes I was. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO SIR [Link]
vrakenbaq Deactivated User 1889 Posts 9/09	Posted - May 5 2015 : 6:06PM Hi Jordan, I'd like do suggest for Mr. Anal Carmen de Luz and Blondie Fesser. Both scenes directed by Mike Adriano and the male talent could be or Mike or Chris Strokes. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - May 5 2015 : 7:52PM I am following up to a post I made earlier today regarding the website. Great things about the Bang Bros website: 1. Fast downloads of scenes. For me, the downloads are always at full speed. I average at all times about 17-19 GB per second and it never throttles. For other sites, it is anywhere from 1-6 GB per second. I might spike at 17-19 GB on other sites but it will frequently be throttled after about 30 seconds to 1-6 GB. I am on Cox's Ultimate Internet plan with 150 Mbps maximum download speed. 2. The latest revision to the website is fabulous for the following reasons: a. Every single scene on the website has a rollover popup, even back to scenes made in 2001. It involved an incredible amount of work on the part of the webmaster. In the popup, you see a full scene description, a gif animation with key screen grabs of the actual video, the performers name, the Bang Bros site, tags for the scene, the like % and clickable buttons to see the trailer and the full video. b. Bang Bros added a feedback button for the scene. It only goes to Bang Bros and is not made public. I have been on sites where the comments have been extremely cruel to the performers especially on Brazzers and Naughty America. I would love to see what other members feel about the scene but when people can post anonymously, they take advantage. Look at any site that allows comments. When the person is not held accountable for their comments, they say hurtful, mean things. As an example, Sara Luvv was so excited to perform in Kink's Hardcore Gangbang. At the time, she was only doing gg scenes. Princess Donna wanted to try something different and had it be a lesbian gang bang with Sara as a gang member gang banged by a rival gang in a prison scenario. On Twitter and on the website, you could see how happy she was that it was released and how proud she was of the scene. She did anal and got a dp by the women. However, when the comments came in, you could see her reaction on twitter to the negative comments to the scene because it was a lesbian gang bang. I was afraid she was going to leave the business. She has never been back to Kink since that scene. OK things about the website: 1. Search is OK but could be better. 2. The most recent videos are in 1080 HD. I haven't had time to see when Bang Bros made the changeover. The data rate is about 4.5 Mbits/sec, which is relatively low compared to other websites. I personally like the trade off due to the lower file size and faster download. I think they are plenty clear for my situation, which is to watch them on my Retina iMac or on my Samsung 55 in TV using a WD media player. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - May 5 2015 : 9:46PM kimbo wrote: a9nostic wrote: Hi Jordan, The only complaint that I would have is that I'd like to see more exotic girls. Even the ethnic girls that you guys do get all seem kind of the same, like they are all really from LA, or something. Now that Brazilian porn has pretty much dried up, a nice "real" latina every now and then would sure be nice. Click to expand Most sites use white Latinas and it's boring. Some "brown" latinas would be nice. Click to expand Yes, I want my latinas to be friggin' brown, for chrissakes :) Otherwise, what's the point? [Link]
pinkyfan Member 217 Posts 8/12	Posted - May 6 2015 : 7:46AM More Lana Violet please! [Link]
stanley_cassidy Member 50 Posts 2/15	Posted - May 6 2015 : 9:41AM Xanderian wrote: stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! Click to expand I assumed it was upscaled 720p. The bitrate is kinda on the low side compared to Brazzers and RK. The bitrate needs to be at least 10 Mbps minimum. Large file sizes arent an issue as external storage is dirt cheap nowadays. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - May 6 2015 : 9:45AM After a nice streak of scenes over the past week, today's Bang Bus was not up to expectations. Carolina Abril is cute but the fun of Bang Bus is lost if the model can only speak Spanish. Scene seems to have been shot in Europe. [Link]
Hecmia305 Member 87 Posts 12/13	Posted - May 6 2015 : 11:35AM The only thing good as of late is ass parade [Link]
connoisseurofporn Member 581 Posts 10/13	Posted - May 6 2015 : 1:43PM shoot CICI ROME [Link]
Axxxl_Rose Senior Member Welcome To The Jungle 1823 Posts 3/12	Posted - May 6 2015 : 2:14PM Hi Jordan, I realize your focus is more on upcoming performers vs established stars but there are 2 very underrated veterans you should book more often. Aubrey Addams and Christie Stevens. I agree with others who want more frequent Mr. Anal and PAWG scenes. [Link]

ProBB Member 9 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 6 2015 : 3:03PM When it comes to g/g, please consider strapon threesomes. 2 girls fucking (some DP action) would be great. Untill now most of the strapon threesomes are too kinky (huge dildos and too rough). So please give it a thought. Some sexy threesome action with ''average'' sized dildos would be great :) [Link]
caminitocaminito Member 76 Posts 12/05	Posted - May 6 2015 : 4:53PM finally, i can speak. i have joined once and never again. here is why. please make it truly, really 1080p. your movies are not 1080p, even though they claim to be 1080p. files size are too small and total rate and data rate are too small. learn from brazzers and realityking. i have the money and dont mind spending $50 per month, but bad quality for my money is not worth it. realityking may cap but i have better quality. it seems like your movies are upscaled or edited from lower resolutions to higher resolutions. you guys did not film in 1080p. when i compared your scenes 1080p along with brazzers 1080p and realityking 1080p, your movies quality were terrible. immediately noticed the difference in quality; thus, i can say with confidence that your movies are not 1080p. Edited by - caminitocaminito on 5/6/2015 4:58:25 PM Edited by - caminitocaminito on 5/6/2015 4:59:15 PM [Link]
caminitocaminito Member 76 Posts 12/05	Posted - May 6 2015 : 5:05PM JordanB wrote: Xanderian wrote: stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! Click to expand Did you feel the trailer on the site accurately depicted the scene? Just curious Click to expand you do know that their movies are not 1080p, right? they are upscaled from original lower resolutions to higher resolutions. for example, 128kbps mp3 upscale to 320kbps mp3 does not make the file original 320kbps. lol [Link]
Xanderian Member 404 Posts 1/11	Posted - May 7 2015 : 4:57AM caminitocaminito wrote: JordanB wrote: Xanderian wrote: stanley_cassidy wrote: 1080p PLEASE. This is the sole reason I have not joined. Click to expand Bangbros switched to 1080p a lot ago bro. By the way Jordan, todays AssParade Mandy Muse scene was off the hook ! Click to expand Did you feel the trailer on the site accurately depicted the scene? Just curious Click to expand you do know that their movies are not 1080p, right? they are upscaled from original lower resolutions to higher resolutions. for example, 128kbps mp3 upscale to 320kbps mp3 does not make the file original 320kbps. lol Click to expand I just see the resolution of the file and it is 1920 x 1080 . Their videos look OK to me for 1080p at 4.5 mbits. But as you said, neither you and i or no one can prove if they are upscaled or not if you dont have access to the original recording/source. Maybe they are upscaled from 720p ? Maybe they are upscaled from 540p ? It's up to JordanB that he can make an official statement on this issue. Understand LOL LOL smart boy ? [Link]
pawell_cz Member 8 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 8 2015 : 3:45PM Hi, I'd like to see some girls from europe: Foxi Di (Angel C) Diana Doll Guy I'd like to see: Dirty Harry Site I'd like to see back: Fuck Team Five [Link]
Xhakorudan Member 577 Posts 3/15	Posted - May 8 2015 : 6:31PM Why doesn't Bangbros have a coming soon/upcoming scenes page? There are so many filmed scenes im waiting for... [Link]
jeffandersonn Deactivated User 1605 Posts 3/13	Posted - May 8 2015 : 6:36PM video quality sucks some studios are releasing 4k scenes....and you offer 1080p 4500 kbs??? really? in 2015?? [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - May 8 2015 : 8:22PM Axxxl_Rose wrote: Hi Jordan, I realize your focus is more on upcoming performers vs established stars but there are 2 very underrated veterans you should book more often. Aubrey Addams and Christie Stevens. I agree with others who want more frequent Mr. Anal and PAWG scenes. Click to expand Yes yes yes oh please yes! It is so rare that we get such a perfect PAWG... [Link]
kfederline Member 8 Posts 10/14	Posted - May 9 2015 : 2:10AM BangBros embodies everything that is wrong with "reality" porn. Seriously, you're not fooling anyone. Why don't you do down the street, ask a girl if she'll take $50 for a 5 min interview, have her sign a release and then try to convince her to do a scene? If she agrees, take her down to the clinic, or use a condom and shoot it. If she doesn't, publish the interview. People want REAL, not bullshit. [Link]
adogg Senior Member 1338 Posts 7/10	Posted - May 9 2015 : 9:17AM this new girl liza rowe must come back wow well done on finding her she is incredible HOWEVER you used one of the worst male performers of all time juan largo in her scene surely you and all the other people involved in bangbros can see that this guy is a scene killer even if it could be technically classed as an erection, the dudes dick looks soft as hell, the penetration looks awful, surely u can see that and kick this guy to the curb [Link]

fredgee Deactivated User 350 Posts 12/13	Posted - May 9 2015 : 11:46AM ^Liza Rowe was a good scene. The male performers literally suck, lick, kiss, talk too much like I said earlier in the thread and ending the free previews seems like a sign of desperation.. [Link]
GV92 Member More Oil 67 Posts 4/14	Posted - May 9 2015 : 2:31PM Pretty simple for me, just show more naked girls walking towards the camera and away, low angle as well as looking down from a more realistic height i.e. average male height, so it's like I'm really following them, not in a moving chair, I hate it when they start walking and there's a crossfade to some dudes face looking like he's a kid on Christmas morning, which leads onto the fact that there's too much male interaction during the tease, the girl's are teasing us the viewer after all, the guy is just there to fuck her (I don't think he can complain though). Last thing, although most movies are ass based there isn't enough full nude front on shots just to mix it up. All the girls are hot hot hot, the locations are cool, hats off for the website. [Link]
stochie Member Boink! 784 Posts 11/08	Posted - May 10 2015 : 4:42AM Cassidy Banks, Cassidy Banks and... Cassidy Banks. [Link]
stanley_cassidy Member 50 Posts 2/15	Posted - May 10 2015 : 5:43AM jeffandersonn wrote: video quality sucks some studios are releasing 4k scenes....and you offer 1080p 4500 kbs??? really? in 2015?? Click to expand This is what Ive been saying. Its pointless getting the hottest girls and filming in beautiful locations if the video quality is no better than the free porn tube sites! Double the video quality and Ill happily give you my $ !! [Link]
imyourpapy New Member 5 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 10 2015 : 12:09PM cum twice site where the male actors cum twice or more without any cuts or break damn that would be great ... or bring back the fun times like when ramon and sanchez made funny stuff they made the old scene's interesting to watch dont be another boring porn site be unique Edited by - imyourpapy on 5/10/2015 12:20:42 PM [Link]
Cesmad New Member 1 Posts 5/15	Posted - May 10 2015 : 6:10PM Good: It's nice that most scenes doesn't have a plot. I enjoy the interviews and that the action immediately starts after the interview. No waste of time. Bad: I think it's hot when a girl swallows cum, so there can never be enough scenes with that. Loved bigmouthfuls. Great to read that Gloryholeloads is coming back! I hope you book Maddy O'reilly for that site (like her MOC-scenes) Also, it would be amazing to see Maddy O'reilly in a reverse Bangbus! Other girls I would like to see at Bangbros are: Aidra Fox Alli Rae Ashley Adams Jillian Janson Taylor Sands Tomi Taylor Zoe Wood At the moment I am no member, but will most definitely for the Maddy O'reilly scenes. [Link]
turwin01 Member 759 Posts 1/15	Posted - May 10 2015 : 8:40PM Get big booty latina Spicy J to do a boy girl scene. She is to fine to only do girl/girl scenes. [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 11 2015 : 9:32AM turwin01 wrote: Get big booty latina Spicy J to do a boy girl scene. She is to fine to only do girl/girl scenes. Click to expand She wont :( [Link]
Hecmia305 Member 87 Posts 12/13	Posted - May 11 2015 : 10:29AM I've just noticed there's a section on the top portion of bangbros when you enter its try out the new members section it has a section where it takes you to try out new member section for scenes in 1080p but I would love to see more Miami girls and loved when bangbros brought girls who only did first time scenes and never return :) and what ever happen to this girl on bangbros her stage name was Ryder Cummings Latina I see her few times where I work [Link]
Aya Senior Member All The Cool Girls Are Lesbians 7439 Posts 6/14	Posted - May 11 2015 : 2:17PM JordanB wrote: turwin01 wrote: Get big booty latina Spicy J to do a boy girl scene. She is to fine to only do girl/girl scenes. Click to expand She wont :( Click to expand Well get her for some girl/girl scenes anyway. [Link]
prisma342000 Member 773 Posts 7/06	Posted - May 11 2015 : 4:00PM Thank you Jordan for the possibility to give feedback. My favorite scenes were always bigmouthfuls and that was the reason that I joined once. As i read through this thread I saw that a lot of people want swallow scenes, please reinstate bigmouthfuls. I also enjoyed canhescore and scenes where the girls get a big facial and gloryholeloads with lots of swallowing. Please shoot bigmouthful scenes, preferably with jezabel vessir, tiffany star, holly west. And please try to get sunny lane as well, her bigmouthful scenes were the best [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 13 2015 : 10:46AM prisma342000 wrote: Thank you Jordan for the possibility to give feedback. My favorite scenes were always bigmouthfuls and that was the reason that I joined once. As i read through this thread I saw that a lot of people want swallow scenes, please reinstate bigmouthfuls. I also enjoyed canhescore and scenes where the girls get a big facial and gloryholeloads with lots of swallowing. Please shoot bigmouthful scenes, preferably with jezabel vessir, tiffany star, holly west. And please try to get sunny lane as well, her bigmouthful scenes were the best Click to expand We've definitely taken the swallowing feedback, you will see a lot more of it soon. We've also shot 4 gloryhole scenes already and all 4 have been swallowed as well ;) We won't stop there though! [Link]
JordanB Bangbros 394 Posts 2/09	Posted - May 13 2015 : 10:48AM adogg wrote: this new girl liza rowe must come back wow well done on finding her she is incredible HOWEVER you used one of the worst male performers of all time juan largo in her scene surely you and all the other people involved in bangbros can see that this guy is a scene killer even if it could be technically classed as an erection, the dudes dick looks soft as hell, the penetration looks awful, surely u can see that and kick this guy to the curb Click to expand Thanks for the feedback, we have her coming back soon for multiple shoots and with different performers. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - May 13 2015 : 1:00PM Love Erica Fontes. Great public bangs scene today. Liked how they got out into the city, did public nudity and then sex in the park with cars going by. [Link]
adogg Senior Member 1338 Posts 7/10	Posted - May 13 2015 : 5:46PM JordanB wrote: adogg wrote: this new girl liza rowe must come back wow well done on finding her she is incredible HOWEVER you used one of the worst male performers of all time juan largo in her scene surely you and all the other people involved in bangbros can see that this guy is a scene killer even if it could be technically classed as an erection, the dudes dick looks soft as hell, the penetration looks awful, surely u can see that and kick this guy to the curb Click to expand Thanks for the feedback, we have her coming back soon for multiple shoots and with different performers. Click to expand awesome!!! i cant wait [Link]
MeerkatBR Member 250 Posts 3/15	Posted - May 13 2015 : 6:07PM Mr. Anal with Klara Gold [Link]