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budtugley
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Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 8:45PM
Next-Gen DVD Copy-Protection Debacle
Hollywood screws 3 million HDTV owners, sucks in general.
by Gerry Block

February 24, 2006 - In perhaps the greatest disservice to the general consumer market yet perpetrated by players in the electronic entertainment industry, it has been revealed that next-generation DVD technologies (HD-DVD and Blu-ray) will only function with monitors and HDTVs with HDMI or DVI connections.

What does that mean to you? If you purchased an HDTV more than a couple of years ago, chances are you are using Component Video (the red, green, and blue plugs) to connect HD sources to your TV. Component Video is an analog transmission, which means that it can't work with the absurdly stringent AACS copy-protection Hollywood has insisted be integrated into the new formats. Thus, no HDMI input on your TV, no hi-def DVD for you. If you don't have a compatible TV, you'll either receive a massively downgraded sub-720p resolution version of the content, or what the studios are suggesting, a warning screen followed by nothing.

Who's to blame for screwing some 3,000,000+ HDTV owners in America that were good consumers and early adopters who purchased TVs without HDMI? A group put together by the major movie studios called Advanced Access Content System (AACS). AACS was responsible for the Reuters report last week that speculated that Sony would miss its spring launch date for the PS3, due to the fact that the AACS had still not finalized the technicalities of the protocol. After a good six months of deliberation since version AACS v.0.9 was put into testing, and only 2 or 3 months away from the supposed release of the first HD-DVD and Blu-ray players, AACS has finally made the baby step of offering provisional licensing to the likes of Sony, Toshiba, and the other early manufactures of hi-def DVD solutions.
Even if you've got an HDTV with HDMI or DVI inputs, it's unlikely your TV has more than one. Just about every HD source these days is best in HDMI, so what are you going to do when both your cable box and next-gen DVD player/PS3 need the same plug? HDMI switchers or enabled receivers are not cheap, or even easy to find. In addition, it would appear that every component involved in the transmission of an HD-DVD/Blu-ray signal must make use of Intel's HDCP technology. This extra level of protection works with the AACS protocols on a hardware level.

Why is this bad? Say you decided to be future proof and purchase a high-end AV receiver with HDMI connections and up-scaling capabilities. Seemed like a good idea last week, but not anymore. Unless it supports HDCP, and it doesn't, because no manufacturers have made HDCP models yet, you won't be routing your HD-DVD or Blu-ray player through it.
Perhaps you're a progressive type and decided to make your media center PC centric. You're screwed too. Even if you purchased a high-end ATI or Nvidia graphics card advertised as HDCP compatible, that all it is: compatible, not compliant. HDCP chips must be bios flashed at the factory, and though these new "compatible" cards have space for a TI HDCP chip, none have them yet. In addition, every link in the chain must be HDCP ready, and only a very few PC monitors have adopted the standard. Get ready to buy both a new high-end graphics card and a new monitor if you want hi-def DVD for your PC.
t gets even worse. At the same time the AACS story came to light, it was discovered that the first wave of next-gen DVD players will not support the "managed copy" option that so many proponents of the new technologies have been hyping. Now that it is apparent Hollywood is willing to absolutely screw more than three million early-adopting consumers (who are probably also some of the best DVD-buyers) is it wrong to be skeptical that the "managed copy" features aren't quite going to be as fully-fledged as we all have hoped, if and when they actually appear? Expect massive downgrades in resolution to be the major movie studio's requirement for any content they allow to escape from the closed AACS-HDCP loop.
This is a dark day for the entire consumer electronics industry. Huge manufacturers like Sony and Toshiba have allowed Hollywood executives to punish consumers for the studios' inability to protect their own content in the wild. Despite the fact that the relationship between movie piracy and the floundering movie theater receipts of recent years has not been proven to be direct, Hollywood is applying an iron fist in their aim to control the next generation of the home-theater experience. You know those previews on DVDs that you can't skip through? That's only the beginning of the ways Hollywood wants to control your entertainment experience.

Consumers shouldn't take this lying down. The difference between HD-DVD and Blu-ray quality and normal DVD isn't huge, especially in light of the rather nice results produced by up-scaling DVD players available today from Oppo, Sony, and others. Should we allow movie studios to force their biggest fans, the early adopters of HDTV and related accessories, to buy entirely new entertainment systems? Is the upgrade even worth it?
Next-gen DVD is looking pretty questionable at this point. Not only do we have a format war to deal with, we've got Hollywood's accounting departments in charge of deciding the minutia of how we're able to enjoy the content we pay for. No copy protection scheme yet developed has been able to stand up to the genius of the hacking collective, and it's unlikely that even AACS and HDCP will last for long. Just long enough, perhaps, to strangle what remains of the traditional disc-based content distribution model and open the door for ubiquitous digital content and on-demand distribution.

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 10:04PM
I don't blame the creators of Blu Ray or HD-DVD or even the Hollywood studios for this. I blame the TV and stereo manufacturers. It's been common knowledge for years that DVI-HDCP was going to be the standard.

About 4 years ago, I held off for 2 years on buying a 34" HDTV for my bedroom because the only model that would fit into my cabinet didn't have a DVI input and I made a friend wait a year to buy his 65" HDTV for the same reason.

They made a subsequent, but backwards compatible, enhancement with HDMI a little while later. But the companies that continued to manufacture HDTV's without DVI or HDMI inputs (that were HDCP compliant) and manufacturers of AV receivers that have included non-HDCP HDMI connections were just taking advantage of consumers.

As far as switchers are concerned, yeah, they're still expensive. But they're not really hard to find. I'm currently using this Gefen 4x1 switcher to connect my 3 upconverting Sony DVD megachangers and my satellite receiver to the single DVI input on that 34" HDTV. It's expensive. But so were S-Video Switchers when DVD first hit the market and TV's only had a single S-Video Input.

Harri Patel
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Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 11:25PM
Seems like the whole lot of them are doing everything they can to guarantee that most people will just hold onto their existing systems forever, like your grandma with that simulated Mediterranean fruitwood console TV/record player. Who, other than blue halo-seeing early adopters with too much disposable income , wants to sort through all this crap just to buy a new TV or DVD player?
BigBobxxx
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5/04
Posted - Aug 11 2006 : 9:07AM
Porn on DVD is fine as it is.

I'd much rather spend my money on more porn, rather than on ridiculously over-priced, non-standardized equipment that attempts to tie your hands and force even more unneeded equipment on you in the process.

Mojo
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9/03
Posted - Aug 17 2006 : 7:32AM
I think if there is going to be any successor to DVD, then it should be a compatible technology with what we have now. I think it's disheartening to spend tons of money on DVD movies only to be told I have to buy them all over again to fit the new players!
 
Saki
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Posted - Aug 17 2006 : 10:13AM
I actually have an HDTV with HDMI...unfortunately, only one input, which means I'll eventually need to get a switcher or HDMI-capable receiver (ranging from $350-1K+ now).

As far as backward compatiblity, I think it will be at least 5 years before we see the winner or successor to the HD format wars, and another 10-20 before DVD is out the door. And by then, I'm sure they'll have plenty of players that will have the lasers and electronics to support the inferior DVD.

FWIW, when combined with a decent upconverter and well-authored disc, DVD stands up pretty well against HDTV movies on my 768p set. I've seen both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray demoed, and while they're great, even if there was no format war, I wouldn't even consider upgrading my 400-or-so mainstream discs.

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