Commisioner of Porn Quality Control 522 Posts 2/08
Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 4:05PM
Bella should concentrate on getting the Awakening of Sasha Grey finished now more than ever. I'm sure it would sell better than another 100 dumb footjob movies.
I disagree with Belladonna's comments. She seems to have sour grapes over Sasha being cast in "The Girlfriend Experience". I think that Sasha was right for the role, and I couldn't have seen anyone else playing that part. And yes, it's obvious that Belladonna hasn't seen the movie. If she had, she would have noticed that it has no sex scenes whatsoever.
^you really couldn't see anyone else playing that role? i could name a few that post on this site that probably would have done just as good. Edited by - Dr. Nasty on 6/24/2009 11:53:34 PM
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ExtremeGonzoFan ArinsystmaticX is done.
Sasha Knox with all her cuteness, is back in town! 378 Posts 6/08
Yes. I'm glad that Soderbergh didn't go with some big-name actress. He went with the person who he felt was the right person, and I think he made the right decision with Sasha. I'm glad that he didn't get someone like Jessica Alba or Lindsay Lohan in the movie.Who in particular?
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oakmac34 Deactivated User
297 Posts 6/09
Posted - Jun 25 2009 : 3:57AM
This thread is really sad. To take a couple of comments out of context and try to destroy a couple of seeming decent people in a most indecent business. Not being in this business but following it. It can be sad at times and very much fun. In a way its like Las Vegas. If your on the strip in Vegas, its awesome but if you go off the strip or find yourself among those who have a addiction to gambling.It very fuckin sad. Listen,I think Sasha Grey will tell you one she was lucky to get a role in a mainstream movie but as porn performers go, Sasha is not your run of the mill performers. I'm just guessing here but there is a lot of jealousies out there over Sasha. But from what I do know, one of those people are not Belladonna. Why would Bella be jealous. She is one of most accomplish porn director and performers is the history of the business. I just think its plain silly. Folks, read up about out there. Go back and read Sasha Grey interview with rolling stone. She has no allusions who she is. She knows who she is and will go the beat of her own drum. Read the article. In life, opportunity are given but sometimes it is luck. But it's also hard work. I think Belladonna and Sasha Grey are those people. I'm sure they would say that. In short people, stop and think before you start believing things that are written on a message board and in a article. When read someone stuff, you must think what angle are they coming from. Think folks! We all have a mind! use it!
It is such a dumb thread you have already posted on it three times and it has over 2700 views in a few days Whatever. When was the last time you started a thread. All your posts seem to be snide little comments
No offense Bobbi, you might want to review the definition of "unique" Otherwise thanks for your insights as a colleague of Sasha and Belladonna I still disagree with the statement that "it could've been anybody" in the GFE, but it is what it is Like Dalton said in Roadhouse, "Opinions vary"
Give me a break. Stop being so dramatic. No attempt to destroy anybody here. Nothing taken out of context. I posted Belladonna's entire response to the question and a link to the entire interview. All I did was put it up for discussion. Like I said, I am a fan of them both. My past posts will show that Maybe you should take your own advice and "stop and think" instead of just spouting off emotionally and telling "folks" how to be wise like you
Stormy Daniels and Jenna Haze come to mind off the top of my head. Both girls have a high level of acting from playing in features and being a part of the mainstream crowd. They can also relate to the role a bit more, as they work in the sex industry and have been for quite a while. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
If we're talking about who else could have done the role, there are probably a lot of performers who could have done it. That said, I really don't think that many (any?) of them would have been as well-suited to the role and been as able to generate as much of a buzz as Sasha has. Whether Sasha is as unique as people think--which I, personally, do think that she is--she is certainly very good at putting out the fact that she is unique. This really helped generate a buzz around the movie. I also liked the way she portrayed the character, and I liked her acting in the movie. Further, I don't know if I would have bothered to see it if it were another performer. I guess that it would depend on who it was--but the list would be extraordinarily small.
just because she knows both of them, doesn't mean that her thoughts and opinions are unbiased. and no disrespect to her, but i disagree that she or anyone is "just as unique as sasha" (paraphrasing, i know). sasha has a certain allure that intrigued me long before i EVER saw her in a pornographic film, all i had ever seen/read were interviews, and she is actually what got me into porn in the first place- before her, i found it repulsive and boring. and i don't feel she "tries" to throw it out there how unique she is- just because she enjoys discussing her interests outside of porn and her motivations for being a part of it, seem to me at least, to mean she likes to express herself and doesn't play into the stereotypical ditzy pornstar role (a very good marketing strategy in such a boring homogenous world, and there is NOTHING wrong with being good at marketing oneself! jealousy, once again.), nor is she covered in tattoos and piercings with a hair color not found in nature- to ME, THAT is the definition of trying to appear "unique" and failing miserably. i won't name any names, but several in particular come to mind. there is one girl, who more than ANY OTHER PORNSTAR IN HISTORY, goes out of her way to say constantly how "punk rock" and "unique" she is, when honestly she doesn't seem unique at all, she sounds like what you some of you people seem to view sasha as- someone obsessed with making their uniqueness (genuine or not) very public. sasha strikes me as someone who legitimately acts like herself and just radiates a warmth and sensuality and an almost elusive nature like no one else i can think, in porn or anywhere. and because of it, it appears she has gotten major (generally passive aggressive, of course) hatred from colleagues and backlash for being more than a pornstar is "supposed" to be. jealousy jealousy jealousy and nothing more.
I have a real problem taking anything Belladonna says seriously. Her "come to Jesus" interview she gave several years back almost single handedly ruined porn for me.
^Are you talking about the Primetime interview? From my understanding, it's Bella's contention that they cut and spliced that thing up to the point where it didn't give a meaningful / full picture of what she was actually trying to say. I tend to believe her b/c this type of poor / sensationalized reporting by the mainstream media is nowhere near unheard of. Here's a link to an interview where she discusses that interview: http://www.rogreviews.com/interviews/Belladonna2.asp?
It's has 2700 views because you create the false impression there is some kind of controversy. So far, I haven't seen you make a single worthwhile or substantial post about anything. Beyond that, all these nitpicky Sasha Grey questions have been on the 15 other SG/GFE/Porn star crossover threads. So the thread is not only dumb it's redundant. Edited by - skronker on 6/26/2009 3:00:10 PM
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Posted - Jun 26 2009 : 3:57PM
I think that nails it. Example - David Cronenberg cast Marilyn Chambers in the lead for Rabid partly because he was fascinated by the idea that the Ivory Snow Girl had done Behind The Green Door. It was never a matter of choosing her over another porn star. In fact, when I interviewed him at a Fangoria convention a few years ago, he had no problem admitting "I've still never seen a Marilyn Chambers movie other than Rabid." FWIW - I'm at Vouyer Media today and two of the go-sees I spoke to this morning not only knew who Throbbing Gristle was, one of 'em even namechecked Chris And Cosey. Now that's cool.
^I appreciate the links, but I really didn't see anything that dissuades me from my original support of Bella's contention about the cutting and the portrayal.
Actually I was just trying to justify my own feeling about her. I never said she blamed or hated porn. I just said she has little credibility with me. Her basically saying she was doing scenes she felt uncomfortable with because she had trouble saying no. It was also heart breaking to see the teen Bella D to say she felt empty inside and that she didn't like herself very much to the point of being suicidal. Those interviews probably were edited for max effect but to say they took her statements at the time out of context is disingenuous.
Having finally had the chance to meet Bella and chat with her and her hubby in their home, I would only say that she's just extremely honest and I don't think most porn fans know what to do with honesty. Edited by - skronker on 6/27/2009 1:35:59 AM
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Sasha Knox with all her cuteness, is back in town! 378 Posts 6/08
Posted - Jun 27 2009 : 1:35AM
I bet some people here on ADT would even find Sasha Grey farts, as articulate and a form of art. This is fun, carry on guys.
I see what you're saying, but I don't (personally) feel that her credibility is shot. If anything, she was being quite credible in her responses. People are complex and have multiple views on multiple items, depending on the context / situation. I assume that she was also quite credible in her responses that were cut, as well. According to her, these would have given a fuller picture. I also feel that removing certain statements and emphasizing others can be disingenuous, as the wrong overall impression can be conveyed that way. This type of omission and the resultant distortion can take the comments that were presented out of context. This is what I think that Bella was saying, and--given the questions asked, the music, the cut-scenes, etc.--I (personally) feel that she is likely telling the truth. I do understand how you arrived at your feelings, however--mine are just different.
^Perhaps I was a little hard on Belladonna. Her comments on Sasha Grey were probably taken out of context as well. Maybe she's one of those people always misinterpreted regardless what they say.
Can anyone tell me whats so special about sasha? Sometimes I hear that she is a nasty anal slut and yet she hasn't done half of what jayna oso and kelly wells has done. She did one milk enema, thats what i can recall, and the rest was anal fucking, mostly boy/girl scenes. I dont get it.
Nothing is special about her. She is a little overrated IMO. Don't get me wrong I think she is a great girl, but I don't think she is the second coming like some do around here. Guess its in the eyes of the beholder. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
If you know that you have an unpleasant nature, and dislike people, this is no obstacle to work. 58 Posts 4/09
Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 5:15PM
I think that Bella was just saying that Sasha's role in TGE was basically a sex worker of a different stripe. Just the similarity to her day job. It's not like she's gonna get an Erin Brockovich or Karen Silkwood type role. If she likes Gristle, does she like "Hamburger Lady", "Subhuman", "Zyklon-B Zombie" or "Mission of Lost Souls" best?
I think what Belladonna is trying to say she does want to be typecast as what she is already been doing as a porn performer. To her, there should be a distinct difference between porn acting and mainstream acting as both are very different ball games. One is emphasize in sexuality or as "sex object"; which only can sell in porn. The other is more to challenge a serious actress to bring a real and raw emotion on screen, to project a real character on screen which not necessary requires any sexual element to be a good mainstream actress. I have watched Sasha grey's the girlfriend exp., I can only say she is really acting herself. As a viewer, you know it already. I also watched entourage and also about her. There is nothing to see except to see her acting herself. I agreed with Belladonna. I don't care how famous the director is and still human and still has his own judgements and etcs. Take for eg open window, I don't think any serious actresses will go for this open and shut case role. There is no way to prove you can be taken seriously as a mainstream actress if you do not have a chance to have other role which she never do before if she is keep accepting the typecast role. I agreed with Belladonna's views. She is not jealous; come on, look at her works and you can compare with sasha grey's works. Sasha grey is a sex goddes. Belladonna is a real performer.
This thread is actually slightly relevant, seeing as Belladonna just took a role in a Paul Thomas Anderson movie where she did have sex (but I think they cut the sex out of the movie).
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A-ten Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 8 2015 : 10:29AM
Sure, luck is always a factor for success like Sasha's. She took full advantage of her luck by working hard, having enough talent to make it work, and continuing to build on her opportunities. That's the way it works for everyone save perhaps the "lucky sperm" club.
She got lucky that Steven Soderbergh is the kind of director that likes to hire non-actors from time to star in his films. He's not successful at it in my opinion, but Grey clearly benefited from it. Edited by - moebius22 on 2/9/2015 12:29:46 AM
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Posted - Jun 24 2009 : 4:05PM
on the 15 other SG/GFE/Porn star crossover threads. So the thread is not only dumb it's redundant.
