Quaze you recently wrote that it's hard to find women with supersize natural breasts. Can you expound more on that? I ask because I notice there are a lot of models for the big boob mags (D-Cup, Score, Voluptuous, Juggs, etc) who are not in the XXX world, except maybe for the videos you can only get through those specific mags or their websites.
Are the women who do hardcore for these mags (eg Linsey Dawn Mckenzie, Susie Wilden, Chloe Vevrier) under contracts? Is that why we don't see many of them in the XXX video world? I know some of them cross over (Chaka T, Cassandra) but there are many more who don't.
I'm not a director but as a b00bm@n (look at my avatar), I'll say this:
The majority of the models that pose for Voluptuous and the like who have bigger-than-average natural breasts also tend to have bigger than average bodies to match. I'm all for a little extra cushion for the pushin' but simply put, a lot of the chicks who possess the assets you desire don't appeal to the average porn viewer and/or do big-boob/fetish tapes already. Perhaps you should look there if you want to see such women in action.
The other models who actually have the body for it either don't do hardcore or frankly speaking after seeing them in action, shouldn't. Linsey McKenzie and Chloe Vevrier only briefly dabbled in taking dicks and trust me (as a member of SCOREland.com), I wish I hadn't seen it. I was sorely disappointed.
Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 2/8/2004 10:01:12 PM
There are many women in the magazine world of all genres that do not do hardcore on video. Big Boob girls particularly but as Crucifixio said, there are many that you wouldn't want to see in action even if given the opportunity. Unfortunately, gigantic flesh melons often go hand in hand with near-morbid obesity. Sometimes girls with great jugs and beautiful faces look good on paper but not in person. There are exceptions of course. Some of the the industry's most popular big bosomed gals - Avy Scott, Taylor St.Clair, Keisha, etc. are a little heavier than your average waif but still totally hot and completely natural. Some others however are grotesque and should go away. It seems that in America if you want giant jugs without a giant ass you have to go with the surgically enhanced gals. A good boob job is still a beautiful thing however a bad one is definitely capable of causing anti-erection. The girls in the Czech Republic are freaks of nature. Every girl we shot over there was at least a very nice C if not a D and yet they weighed next to nothing. I look forward to my return there. Our latest installment of Double Decker Sandwich features many natural and non-humungous girls from Prague.
I was kind of surprised to see Quaze cite Taylor St. Claire as an example, but he is right about her. She is actually a girl who began as one of those magazine models and then became what she became. The problem I see is that girls like Taylor and Avy Scott are now slowly fading away, with Taylor semi-retired and opening websites and Avy moving back to Florida, with no apparent successors in site. Incidentally, if you read interviews or just really know anything about either girl they have constantly had to deal with criticism of their weight throughout their whole entire career because they simply have different body types than the (not to speak badly of her in any way) Stephanie Swift's of the world. It's rather unfair. Again, as Quaze stated the only consistent successors or counterparts to such girls are those freaks of nature in Prague and the Czech Republic.
And I agree completely with CrucifixoJones on his points. Sadly, sometimes these girls just do not look good in the transfer from page to screen.
The reason magazines like Voluptuous, Bigg Butt, and XL exist is because
THERE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A MARKET FOR PORN WITH PLUS SIZE PERFORMERS AND MODELS.
duh.
Phat Azz White Chicks, anyone? All Daz Azz, anyone? Thick and Black, anyone? Natural Wonders of the World, my friends?
I mean, come on guys. DUH! If you can see that there's a market for trannies, then surely you can understand the larger market for larger performers. Thick performers. Plumpers. Amazons. BBW's.
As a longtime fan of these magazines, I can tell you it USED to be true that the models generally don't do hardcore. Now these magazines produce their own hardcore videos, sold only in their mags and on their websites. The quality runs the gamut, obviously.
When I hear about attitudes like you guys expressed above, it still astounds me. I mean...DUH! Marketing 101, here. Imagine the dark cloud that would now hang over the world if Joey Silvera had decided to not make tranny videos because he didn't think anyone else would find it "hot".
There is money in every fetish. And as Joey has shown, there is lots of money in producing the highest quality of a particular fetish. If EA or New Sensations made a BBW video, do you have any doubt that the *video* quality would be any less? Caring not what you think about fat [not even fat...*average-sized*] women...would not those companies do their best to make them look good? Just like they make trannies look good? Just like they make buck-toothed skinny girls look good. Just like they make 4'7" women with bad skin and fake boobs look good?
All porn is about fetish. Just because a lot of people have your fetish [say, for 18-22 year-old women with *smaller-than-average* bodies] doesn't make it not a fetish. All of your comments included something along the lines of "they don't look good." As if the strength of your personal distaste prevented there from possibly being someone else, some being who lives, maybe, OUTSIDE of your control, who could. Haven't yall learned anything from ADT yet? Your personal taste does not deteremine marketability. It only determines, if you're a director, the passion with which you do a thing. Joey loves trannies, hence Joey loves making tranny videos. TT Boy loves Latinas, so he makes lots of Latina videos. Quaze loves nothing, so he'll make anything, then complain about it here
God, I just remembered. Evil *already* has made videos with Voluptuous-level women: Buttman's Extremely Big Tit Adv.'s (or something like that). OH MY GOD HOW DARE I FORGET Christoph's Big Natural Tits series.
Speaking of that, I'd like to continue my list of series that feature voluptuous women. Ya'll ackin' like hardcore videos appealing to BBW-lovers don't already exist!
*almost everything from BigTop/Xavier *Real Big Tits, Real Big Latin Tits, Real Big Afro Tits (all from Channel 69, Kings of fetish specificity) *Large Natural Breasted *Mega Tits *anything from the Bang Bro.s or the Bogas Bro.s (no comment about the quality of these 2) *Tits and Ass (Devil's) *Heavy Handfuls (Elegant) *lots of Rodney Moore titles *Plump Humpers *BBB: Big Big Babes
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 12 2004 : 10:46AM
You are forgetting the Natural Wonders of the World series.
btw, why do you sound so angry? As far as I can tell, nobody here has claimed that their "personal taste determines marketability". Well, maybe Quaze has.
Steve Holmes said: "Don't get married for the sex. You can enjoy your sexuality with one or many lovers without any legal bands."
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Feb 12 2004 : 11:35AM
Since when is the "average porn viewer" (Crucifixio_Jones words, not mine) equal to "nobody"? I must confess that I have no idea what the "average porn viewer" could be (if such a thing exists at all), but the idea of SueR that "there is money in every fetish", surely was not being contradicted by anyone here? When Crucifixio_Jones says that he is disappointed by the hardcore work from Linsey and Chloe, isn't he in fact saying that he would be game for more like that; only produced better. Just what SueR is saying with her Joey Silvera example? And TSCfan317 was even defending the likes of Avy Scott and Taylor St. Claire against cristicism for being 'fat'. He actually said that he thought that kind of critisim is rather unfair, because they "simply have different body types than the (not to speak badly of her in any way) Stephanie Swift's of the world." The only he said, was that "sometimes these girls just do not look good in the transfer from page to screen." I recognize that as a personal opinion like there are being spouted hunderds every day on ADT. Like SueR herself has said: "Haven't yall learned anything from ADT yet?"
Oh well, I am sure none of this is really important anyway, except the babes themselves. SueR, if you really want to get angry over this, check out the American Babe of the Week 7: Tye. It appears to me that some reactions in that thread indicate that even a body type like that of Tye is 'just barely' acceptable. I may be interpreting that wrong as well. Wait a minute, come to think of it, also check out the sister thread, Euro Babe of the Week 07: Karma, where I make a reference to Speelie's description of the "typically Czech big frame of a body". If you look around, you will find that lots of Eastern European talent with "nice C if not a D" (hell, if not even more) don't necessarily "weigh next to nothing".
Edited: Forget about the Tye link. There is nothing there that justifies what I wrote. But dammit, I do remember a reply to one of my babes along the lines of "yeah, for that kind of body, she is OK".
cobalt60 said: "My ears are big and I have thin English lips. What am I gonna do, get a lip job? Nah. I've got a fanfuckingtastic cock on me and an orgasmatron for a tongue, who needs lips?"
"Quaze loves nothing, so he'll make anything, then complain about it here "
Quite the opposite. I love big natural breasts. I just hate the often accompanying stretch marks and sloping buttocks. Not my thing really. I also love big fake breasts as well. I just hate the often accompanying scars and nipples that look like they've been reattached slightly askew.
Certainly theres a laundry list of things I don't like and the laundry list of what I do like is short yet concise. I like shooting beautiful girls of all shape and stripe having sex.
Also, I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself here. All are welcome to agree or disagree.
I have been in way too many arguments where no matter what I said the other guy was going to keep looking at Taylor St. Claire or Avy Scott and call her fat. This is some weird reversal on that and I want no further part in it.
