That is with white male talent.So much has been put on white girls who don't do ir I was just wondering is their a history of black girls who don't do ir...
This is gonna be the shortest porn lists ever. You see, my friend, racially vetting their partners is a luxury women of color in porn don't have --not if they want to be successful. So, that leaves us with only two kinds of black girls in the biz: those who fuck white guys and those white guys don't want to fuck.
I have to agree with Fred. This is a business that is dominated by white males. Black men are of the minority here. And what's worse is there aren't that many "good" ones IMO. So that doesn't leave Black porn girls many options. If they want to be successful, well known, promotions, celebrity status and be in big name products/movies, I won't say its the only choice they have, but it is the Main choice. Kind of like an ultimatum.
"Where's dat other white boy? Get his ass in here NOW!" - Nina DePonca Zen
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Posted - Jun 8 2007 : 10:55AM
Indeed it shall be a short list as Black women in the industry don't have the luxury of discriminating against white men the way white women do against black men.
Actually Fred there is an even shorter list than this...Asian females. At least it would be for those who finally recognize/understand that fucking any other guy other than another Asian (yes that includes white guys) for them IS interracial too. LOL mod: ditto Edited by - hardware on 6/8/2007 1:00:32 PM
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Posted - Jun 8 2007 : 9:49PM
First of all, there aren't as many productions and work opportunities for black women in wm/bf porn compared to bm/wf. It's a burgeoning genre, but still quite limited. Any black woman who works in the industry, except for a very few, is going to make all, or most of her money, in all black productions. Add to that, and I'm just speculating here, most white porn viewers rarely watch all black porn, so we don't even know what we're missing, and don't have the opportunity or temerity to ask the girls uncomfortable questions about their personal choices. Also, I don't think that all attitudes in the world are equal, and black women's attitudes toward white men doesn't mirror their white sister's toward black men. It's not competely without angst, but it's certainly less taboo, in large part because it doesn't ruffle the feathers of the white male establishment. This is just a perception on my part, but even when trumping up the racial stereotypes in wm/bf scenes, there's a lighter feel and precious little degradation, as well as a lot more fun seeming to take place.
Ain't heard of that, but I have seen at least one Jezebel type black women who won't do black men. I can't remember where I saw her profile, but she had something written like "NO black men please". Couldn't help but laugh when I saw that. Ryaan Reynolds also comes to mind. I think she's black, or at least partially so, but I've never seen her do a scene with a brother.
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Posted - Jun 9 2007 : 3:15AM
All previous posters have summed it up well: If you are a black female, then you must fuck white guys or the work will dry up REAL quick. Yeah...and Ryaan Reynolds is a dodger. She passes for black when it suits her, but refuses to work with a black guy.
Reminds me of Asia Carrera who said in an interview she won't have sex with asian guys like not only on screen but also not in real life.
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Posted - Jun 9 2007 : 3:58AM
So you think that wm/bf scenes are inherently less degrading than bm/wf scenes? Interesting. Because the vast majority of the degrading content in the industry (i.e., face slapping, spitting, choking, head dunking in toilets, punching, and other means of bringing discomfort to women) comes overwhelmingly from white males. Edited by - T0201 on 6/9/2007 3:58:33 AM
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Posted - Jun 9 2007 : 7:19AM
Maybe at one point of time in the late 80's your view held water but no longer.Gone are the days when Asian stars are discriminated against the way Blacks both male and female were and still are discreetly. I'd like to invite you to discover the world of Anju Kara who began as a struggling artiste on the fringes in the mid 90's and just a decade later she has emerged as the top honcho at Killergram. She has single handedly done more for Asian porn(read as Indian-Pakistani-BanglaDeshi-Sri Lankan porn)than anybody else has sinctime immemorial. http://www.killergram.com/video.asp?model=Jasmine+Sharma Just take a look at the amount of Asians that have been discovere launched big time by Anju Kara and you'll know what I mean. So stop pitying them cos East Indian porn stars are doing pretty well and in no way do they fall in the same bracket as Black stars who have little or no choices.
I don't think this is the true issue , it seems that white productions are richest than all black productions , which putting aside racism means that if a black girl wants to earn more money have to go where it is. I remember a series called In Search of Black Cheerleaders which was great(an maybe still is but I can't find em in stores) all features I picked up were all black , some movies from Darkside were all blacks (maybe all I'm not sure I don't really put attention to that)
This has been a very good thread,and its good to see people use their Intelligence to state the truth. Well done posters. Black Girls have very little choice but to work with WM if the WM is okay with it. Girls like Jada Fire or Marie luv date BM in their private life but on Film 80% of their scenes are with WM,provided the WM agrees to work with them. Its the only way to make any cash at all. Unlike WF,they don't have the luxury of hiking their fees to work with BM. Its just the way it is.
So do Black men also get higher fees working with white women than with Black women?
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Posted - Jun 10 2007 : 7:38AM
I think the critical point is that there isn't as much work for black girls with white males. Certain girls, like Marie Luv, achieve that crossover status and so we do see them with white males quite a bit. But, those girls are the exception. Most of the titles I see that feature black women also feature black males. Personally, I would like to see more black female/white male porn. There are lots and lots of black girls out there that seem to be stuck in the all-black titles, which sucks for those of us that like black girls, but don't like black on black. I would sure like to see Sinnamon Love do more white guys, that's for sure.
:-) Thanks... I actually built my career on doing interracial... while I always shot some Black on Black, I mostly shot interracial and barely legal porn in the beginning of my career. On predominantly Black porn boards, I hear guys say that I don't do enough Black guys, and that I mostly do White guys... Personally, I think there aren't enough Asian & Latin guys for me to fuck! ;-) But seriously... If there is someone in particular you'd like to see me shoot for, or with, the only thing I can suggest is that you contact the company or the director and throw my name into the hat. A lot of directors aren't really aware of me and my talents simply because when they came along I was doing the fetish and glamour model thing and wasn't really shooting hardcore scenes anymore.. Now that I'm back, some people know and others don't. Its cool that I find myself in a lot of the same lines as Jada and Marie, because its like the directors know if you want a Black girl with a "do anything" attitude and a professional disposition, those are the 3 you want... often, you will only see one Black girl per non-Black movie, and there are several of us, so you have to wait your turn.. it happens, just a matter of when. Sinn mod: extraneous quote removed - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 6/10/2007 9:42:28 PM
to say the least of it Sinnamon. You did so many scenes with Dave Hardman in the 90s I almost thought you guys were marreid. Anybody wanna see some Sinnamon with white guys go track down some her early stuff. Youll love it. Sinnamon I just saw your scene with Shorty Mac in "Big O Asses"(West Coast) and you looked as great as ever even with all that oil on you. By the way Sinnamon I still miss your original site before it was hacked a few years ago. cheers mod: ditto Edited by - hardware on 6/10/2007 9:43:05 PM
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 12:30AM
I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wonder if you need a new agent? If your name isn't out there, your agent needs to fix that. Do you have your own website? That might help as well. I've been looking at your IAFD entry and it looks like most of the b/g scenes you've done recently have been black on black. I would like to see you work with some of the stronger white male talents in the business, i.e. Manuel Ferrara, Erik Everhard, Brandon Iron, etc., and stay away from the Jay Ashleys and John Strongs of the world.
Hope these quotes I left aren't too much... Hehe! I worked a lot with Dave, Rick Masters and Tom Byron (I've worked with Tom a few times since he's started back to performing and I must admit, he's better than ever! Still knows how to make me explode.. :) The oil thing was so annoying... but I tried to make the best of it and really took to the slipping around on the mattess with style. Lol! For some reason, I couldn't stop wrapping my hands around Shorty Mac's neck.. It just seemed like it was made for my hands! :) I haven't seen the scene yet. I gotta check that out! I miss the old site too.. but the new one is better than ever! :-D Edited by - SinnamonLove on 6/11/2007 3:10:58 AM
I've debated the new agent thing, but I'm not really looking to shoot everyday like the younger girls. My interest is mostly in producing for my website and making sure that I focus on creating and maintaining a brand. Its a little different for me being an older performer as well - some directors look at my pics and my age and get confused I think... its not easy convincing someone that's never met me that yes, I really do look like I'm in my 20s although I've been in the biz for 14 years and am 33 years old. :-) But when I walk on sets, I am constantly told that there is no way I'm my age but the directors and PAs that shoot me. I do have a website, ClubSinnamonLove.com is run by Atlas Multimedia. My original site, SinnamonLove.com had been online since 1998 until I brought it over to Atlas last year. ;-) I worked with Manuel in Tap That Ass White Boy (Candy Shop) along with Pascal &Steve Holmes. I am so interested in fucking Manuel again.. that was FUN! I haven't worked with Erik since the 101 reverse gangbang for Vivid and would love a chance to hit it again.. He fucked my ass so smoothly.. I actually just shot with Mr. Pete recently and he made me squirt E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E.! like guys that are both passionate and aggressive... so I'm game for taking on anyone that can challange me sexually. Johnny Sins and Evan Stone are both amazing as well.. Johnny, although a newcomer, surprised me by being a great lay! I'm definitely down for some suggestions as to who else you'd like to see me bang. If not for video, maybe for my website. :-P Sinny
IMHO, Black female/White male pairings have a tremendous potential for growth. I may be wrong, but, I would like to see more Black girls mainstreamed into general porn releases, rather than to be limited to "Black" product. Certainly not to the point of too many per movie (too many carbon-copy newbie blondes in one movie is just as annoying). However, there are so many killer-hot Black girls today -- and I want to be able to watch them without having to watch "Black" product to do so (which I generally won't bother with).
I like them Monique and Midori are among my favourite ever and yes I do remember Cinnamon in her early works she was good and I mean very good though I'm not a producer so I don't know what's worth my personal admiration
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 11:34AM
Yeah who wants to have to watch "black" movies, far better to watch "white" ones right? Thinly veiled insults aside I wouldn't worry too much about that issue, given that in white movies you generally find black women of a certain body type which is to some degree different from the body types that you would find in black movies. Edited by - T0201 on 6/11/2007 11:53:36 AM
@T0201 - Actually as you stated is a matter of taste i.e. I don't like big booties whether they're black or whites there are also other issues on my personal taste about women I also prefere little tits , though I'm one of those do watch black movies if there are girls who match my taste such as Hypnotiq or Mika Brown or Destiny Big and many others I don't care who's the male performer most of the times I often don't even notice who he is Edited by - hardware on 6/11/2007 12:52:17 PM
@T0201: What are you smoking? I made no reference to "body types." There was no insult made I don't like to watch ALL Black movies. Watching exclusively Black female/Black male product doesn't interest me. My original post stated that I wanted to see, "I would like to see more Black girls mainstreamed into general porn releases." How you can contrue this as "thinly veiled insults" speaks to your own issues, not mine [o\|] Edited by - hardware on 6/11/2007 3:20:54 PM
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 6:08PM
General releases you mean non-black movies right? Just say what you mean. And no you didn't say anything about body types I did, because it's obvious that there are differences between the types of women that are employed by the aforementioned different groups. As for the veiled insult, your comment about your "wanting to be able to watch black women without having to watch "Black" product to do so" well that speaks for itself. mod: extraneous quote removed - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 6/11/2007 6:08:33 PM
Having a preference is not racist. How many threads are there on this board that are specifically about BM/WF IR product (i.e. non-WM, or non-white-on-white product)? If that's what certain people like to see, that's a valid choice. So is a preference for non-black-on-black. Moreover, as you indicate yourself, there seems to be a tendency for so-called 'Black product' or 'White product' to focus on specific female body types. That would make such a preference even more understandable and less 'racially motivated'.
I said what I mean. "Non-Black movies is not what I said, or "mean."
It should speak for itself, but you are determined to apply your own opinion as to what I say and mean There are many Black actresses who rarely appear outside of Black only product. As I've clearly stated, I don't enjoy Black only product. I'd like to see more of these girls appearing in general release movies. What I consider the "insult" is that many Black actresses are limited to Black-only product, and are never given the opportunity to perform in general-release product. I breathlessly await your corrections and explanation of what I'm really saying. Please be creative
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 8:53PM
Actually preferences can be based in racism, in fact for much of the history of this country preferences were merely a convenient justification to manifest racist beliefs. The problem now though is determining whether or not someone's preference in who they wish to work with let's say is rooted in racism or is a race neutral decision. And while this is difficult to determine there are ways of doing it.
Well then what exactly are "general release" movies if not movies with white males instead of black males? Because based on your own statements you certainly don't want to see movies with all black casts. And it is because of this statement that one is lead logically to the only other possibility. Edited by - hardware on 6/11/2007 11:34:43 PM
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 9:32PM
I completely agree with everything said in the above statement.
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 9:37PM
Even though I understand why product is tailored for different demographics, I have always preferred less specialized combinations than we have today. I remember when Anabolic's Up Your Ass could use any combination of race that worked. Black women appeared with black men, as well as white ones, and there was even some white on white. It wasn't until it was wrested from Sean Michaels' hands that it became exclusively bm/wf (or Asian). Even Nasty Nymphos was more inclusive. One of my favorite scenes of all time was with Sean and Janet Jacme in #8. This is the kind of thing I'd like to be expanded on. Every release shouldn't have to cater to just one fetish or racial combination. There's enough of that to go around. I just want to see the hottest combinations possible, and let the chips fall where they may. That's one of the reasons I like Mercenary Pictures. For all the flaws I may find, Lex is probably the only one who's willing to go out on a limb with his castings. It's worth supporting.
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Posted - Jun 11 2007 : 9:43PM
I actually have Tap That Ass White Boy on my wishlist. It was the only recently shot scene of yours I could identify that, in terms of the pairing, I knew I would be interested in. For what it's worth, I think you could be shooting a lot more. Obviously, you have to make your own decision about that, and there's no question you have both the experience and knowledge of the industry to make an informed choice.
Tap That Ass was so much fun! I loved every minute of it and would do it again in a heartbeat! I loved all the attention the boys gave me and felt like a kid in a candy store.. so much cock, so little time. =) I agree, I totally could be working a little more.. but at the same time, I'm not willing to take just any project, to severely lower, or even negotiate my rates, or work with people I'm just not interested in working with. Fortunately, my "no" list only has like 4 guys... and my rates are on par with industry standard so that's never really a problem. One thing I'd love to do that I have done in a long time...? A good DP. I used to love them... and after being condom only for 6 years, I came back into the mainstream talent pool not offering DPs. But even though I had my agent add it to my profile again the end of last year, I have yet to be booked for a single one. Go figure. LoL! I always wind up in these BGG scenes where I wind up being the anal queen, but I rarely even get booked for BBG scenes... I really need to look into that! The other thing that limits me, is that while I am pretty much a little miss do it all, I don't do gangbang's or orgies. I've done orgies in the past, and I just find I am not into such a wide range of talent and personalities that come with doing them. I hope to do another gangbang soon. I've only ever shot one, for Rosebud with Alex DeRenzy at the helm. I loved every minute of it but I lucked up that time... I just think most of the gangbangs I see aren't really sex. I am quite greedy sexually but also have particular sexual tastes... so it would have to be something that struck a cord for me to do it again. I really enjoy focusing on producing my own product. I'm hoping to start shooting more complex vignettes for my site soon... maybe that DP will wind up happening there - since no one has taken me up on the offer. ;-) ~*~ Sinny ~*~