1. Is she special, yes. How many tall, thick, young, amazingly curvy girls like that are running around in the biz. Brooke Wylde and Angela White are similar, but yeah, it's much easier to find the skinny, short girls (which btw, are great too, but Alison is a dime). And, people love her - check the half mill twitter followers. 2. I have no doubt that the site tries to avoid/hide tats (although the latest girl appears to have a big one on her leg), and I myself am not usually a huge fan of them, but Alison's are pretty feminine (Whiney Westgate has a similar one on her side, and Blacked also needs to shoot her) and don't at all attract from her look... Let's be honest, some girls get them and they're just odd (bad tats, weird placements or whatever), or they can't pull them off. Think about all the heavily tatted girls that came before Christy Mack (maybe with the exception of Janine) that were meh. Christy just rocked them, and I highly doubt if she ever made a comeback and wanted to shoot with blacked that Lansky could refuse that opportunity!
^ that's worse than fake tits, you're going to cover up art you like to get hired? This is niche business model, if he doesn't want yo be hugely popular he will do ok. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Oct 17 2015 : 1:27PM
Whether or not it will prove to be niche depends on the answers to two questions: 1. How large is the market for erotic IR? 2. How big a priority do people within that market place on erotic IR? Here's an example to illustrate the second question: I'm a fan of Katrina Jade. Katrina Jade will never be on Blacked, yet I am still willing to pay for Blacked's content featuring pornstars who I don't necessarily like as much as Katrina Jade. Katrina is just one example, but I can spend all day naming pornstars whom I like yet who also have no chance of ever appearing on Blacked. Instead of seeing those pornstars on Blacked, I get one scene after another with pornstars whom I've never heard of, but I can accept that because in the end I am getting erotic IR scenes. If enough people feel the same way and continue to do so, I think that Blacked will be fine, especially since its competitors in erotic IR aren't shooting Katrina Jade either.
^ I agree with all that, but in the description you site why there is a problem, or at least there could be. I'd wager at least 50% of all stars today have tattoos, that is a large group of the available actress off the table. So if your top, say 20 stars, 10 will have tattoos. The remainders would have to be of a type approved by the site, that would narrow the ir interest imo. I'm not going to be all that keen on jumping into a site where i know a large part of the performers on the site are all going to be very similar looking and that half {as an example} i will never see there because they aren't approved. That is incredibly limiting, by narrowing it that much you are excluding a large base of would be fans/customers. His site and naturally it's his to do with as he pleases, my point is he is really limiting himself if he does not expand his talent base. Fun discussion. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
Hello again.... Back to make my weekly stupid compliant about not being a member of Blacked.com and not having all the scenes already. Just ignore it So getting back to the Allison Tyler love I agree! Since I don't have all the scenes I can't say this for certain, but as a lover of women with large curvy breasts she would be a welcome addition! Too bad Siri and Eva Notty wouldn't be able to shoot on Blacked, but that also puts Ryan Conner from shooting for them as well. Let's keep waiting and enjoying what is to offer. Interracial Threesomes 2 will be delivered any day now for me. I'll be eagerly anticipating it's arrival.
I have a compromise/solution for the good folks over at Blacked! First, let me throw my hat into the arena of those who like curvy women. Now when I say curvy, I mean woman like Angela White, Brooke Wylde, Kendra Lust, Valentina Nappi, Keisha Grey, Abella, etc. I definitely DO NOT mean like the women featured on Plumper, Score, Marshmallow girls or anything like that! I'm a big fan of Alison Tyler as well, but she hasn't done IR and I don't see her doing IR anytime soon (I'd like to be completely wrong, but that's another discussion)... Second, I completely understand what Blacked is going for. I get it. They have a niche market that focuses PRIMARILY on the small, petite, girl next door look. I say primarily in caps, because I know they have featured other types of women. There is a large market for that profile (hence the great success of the website). Again, I'm a fan of curvy women, but I completely get it. This is also the reason why they probably won't shoot gangbangs, blowbangs, or anything "extreme" like that any time soon because then there won't be much to separate them from other IR sites like Dogfart, Monsters of Cock, Blacks On Blondes, etc. They have a target audience, it separate them from others, and it obviously works well for them. Here's my compromise: Let's assume there are 6 new scenes a month (30 days a month, a new scene every 5 days). Let's make one of those scenes an outlier, like a curvy girl and/or MILFs scene? So you'd still have the majority of the scenes focused on the niche, petite girl next door market. And then throw a bone to the few of us who like the curvy women and MILFs? Speaking of MILFs, The Cherie Deville scene was one of the hottest scenes! Capri Cavanni is also smoking hot even though she has breast implants. Or you could even throw in a tattooed goddess scene! (Ok, I know that's asking too much of Blacked, lol!!) Anyway, what do you guys think? 5 petite and 1 outlier per month?
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Posted - Oct 17 2015 : 6:54PM
The question to ask then is how many of Blacked's current customers and target demographic share your opinion and regard that shared opinion as highly important to them, e.g. "I don't know of many performers as beautiful as Kleio Valentein, so I won't give Blacked my money if they won't shoot her."
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^ Not only that but how long till the girls they use are "shot out"? Finite talent base, finite scenarios. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Oct 17 2015 : 8:10PM
^If they were releasing as many updates as Brazzers, then perhaps they would be in trouble, but if they continue to maintain their current pace I think they'll do fine. Actually, even if they doubled their output I don't think that they would have a problem finding talent. The websites that are exclusively dedicated to shooting new or relatively new talent are, from what I've seen, generally shooting performers that Lansky wouldn't have an issue with. There are plenty of young women entering the industry every day who either fit his type or do not significantly diverge from it, so I don't predict that any problems will arise on that front.
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Excellent points. Hopefully they will avoid the cliche IR crap. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
I totally support that suggestion. Or at least for Blacked to try and shoot someone like Kleio, Juelz Ventura, Katrina Jade, Alison Tyler, AJ Applegate, Dahlia Sky or Destiny Dixon (to name a few) just to see what kind of reaction they get from the members. If Blacked shoots Kleio and the members get all pissy about her tattoos in the scene comment section I promise I'll never mention her name in this thread again. Two of the best Blacked scenes (in my opinion) has been the Capri Cavanni and Abigail Mac ones. Edited by - MorganKane on 10/17/2015 10:26:30 PM
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Posted - Oct 17 2015 : 11:29PM
^Kleio has way too many tattoos so I just can't see that happening. I doubt that Juelz would happen even if she wasn't inked. Alison is a real possibility imo, and I'd be surprised if AJ wasn't eventually Blacked. Between Dahlia and Katrina, perhaps Dahlia is a more likely choice in that, aside from the tattoos, she better fits the Blacked look. Dahlia is even more of a possibility than Destiny imo. Both have tattoos, but one has enhanced breasts and is older than the other. So who knows, maybe one day Lansky will give Dahlia a chance and wonderful things will happen. I'm not expecting it, but it's not impossible.
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Did Greg actually post here and say he doesn't shoot girls with tattoos or are we merely speculating that he doesn't? As for Alison Tyler, I'm not keen on Blacked hiring her at all. She's been in the industry for ages has shown no interest in IR. Why should Blacked give girls like her the privilege? She doesn't deserve a Blacked.com pornset...just like the Nikki Benz' and Alexis Texas' of this world. Those names shouldn't be muttered in the same breath as Blacked.com. Their current formula is a winning one. Why change it?
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 12:06AM
IMO "he doesn't shoot girls with tattoos" would be too general a statement. We're speculating based on the apparent trend in the performers he's shot so far and the way he chose to shoot Layna in her update. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/18/2015 12:11:54 AM
There is no official no tattoo policy at blacked. In fact there are girls with tattoos that have been shot multiple time ie Sabrina Banks, Karla Kush, and Dakota James (who has been on Blacked more than any other performer save the showcase girls). So the whole idea that a girl with tattoos is an automatic pass for the casting people at blacked is a bit extreme. They have proven with their casting choices that they shoot any girl that fits the look they are going for. That usually means girls with minimal tattooing and those they do have them they are usually shot in a way where you dont notice them or they are in some way covered up just look at the last couple of update Layna was shot in a way where u cant see the tattoo on her leg, it looks like Sydeny Cole's will be in knee highs through her scene covering her tattoos. Look Blacked is just like any other business I am sure they have a research department. So I am sure they did their due diligence before launching and they are still doing it today. Among the porn viewing public many there are those they don't care about tats and those who do but here's the thing there have been scientific studies done since tattooing started becoming more mainstream and they suggest that a majority of the general public have a negative perception of women with tattoos. Often seeing them as less attractive and also as more promiscuous. Now if I am running a site that tends to focus on the more erotic side of porn those are the last things I want the feature attractions on my site to convey.
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 2:04AM
Nah. As it is, Blacked is rolling in $$$. They don't need longtime IR dodgers to boost their profile.
No one is saying that tattoos are an automatic pass. We're only saying that Blacked is less likely to shoot you the more visible your tattoos are, unless your name carries the star power to counteract that. And again, this is shown by the history of the models that they've already shot. The women we've spoken about as being unlikely to be shot (Kleio, Alison, Dakota) have tattoos that are much larger and more visible than the women you just mentioned.
And as far as getting Blacked to shoot female performers that are outside of their "typical look", I just don't see it happening very much right now, as they've been very successful doing what they're doing and there's really no reason for them to need to change it up. And lets not pretend that it's just Blacked, pretty much every site that likes to consider themselves on the "erotic" side of the spectrum tends to lean heavily towards young, white, slim, and natural, as that's where they believe the majority of the audience is. And while it's my personal opinion that the audience for "high-end" porn isn't that shallow, it's probably going to take a new company coming in and showing that to be the case, as opposed to trying to get one of the current companies to diversify their talent pool. Just like Blacked helped show other similar companies that there is a market for interracial shot in this manner, which is why you're seeing more of it on sites like Babes and X-Art/Colette.com.
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 3:24AM
^ As is the case in most ares of life, sadly the bigger your name, the more leeway you are granted. I was never disputing his way of doing what he wants with his site but I do feel that he is rather limiting himself. Does anyone have an opinion on him doing the same type of shoots but with tattoo'd girls on its own site? That way he wouldn't be altering his demographic on those sites, yet wouldn't be cutting off part of his potential audience. He could call it Tatted I {goggled?} googled it and it hasn't been used, though it is, depending on your age group, also strongly associated with lace making} Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 4:21AM
Well, I guess this current debate that's overtaken the thread is better than the IR debate that regularly comes up.
I'd really like to see them get Alison Tyler also. But I'm guessing she just has no personal interest. I mean at this point for her, avoiding IR is just leaving boatloads of money on the table. But I don't judge any of these dodgers morally. I just think they're stupid. Besides, we still got Angela White who is of similar body type and IMO a better performer. I'd love to see her again.
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I think we're being rather civil, I lurked here for some time and there have been a lot of ... unpleasant exchanges regarding this topic. Note to self: Fix sarcasm detector, try to learn about people before commenting, Blacked, strongly consider bringing Casey back for a solo shoot: Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 7:53AM
Agreed. So stop talking about herAgreed. Blacked needs to do a feature on Ms White. She's sexy as hell!!
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 10:41AM
As is the case with other "firsts", it's not only an issue of money but also of career longevity and knowing when it best serves your career to do a "first." Many people in the past wrote something quite similar to your quote: "I'd really like to see them get Riley Reid also. But I'm guessing she just has no personal interest. I mean at this point for her, avoiding anal is just leaving boatloads of money on the table. But I don't judge any of these dodgers morally. I just think they're stupid." I'm not defending the "dodger" business strategy, but I do understand the thinking behind it.Yes, that should definitely happen. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/18/2015 10:53:55 AM Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/18/2015 11:01:04 AM
What would they call it? BlackedInk? BlackedFreaks (where tatted people are associated/stigmatized as freaks, goths, or deviants??) If they truly feel they have to segregate lovely girls just cuz they have tattoos, I don't care if they put it on another site. It just seems super silly. And does anyone notice the irony that a site which is all about sexual race mixing is so damn uptight about inked skin? Like damn... I am disappoint, but I am also optimistic that this will not stand. I'm not here to criticize, but rather the way I would put it is this: Blacked is evidently having tremendous success -- so much so that there's now multiple new sites springing up following suit (TeensLoveBlackCocks; BlackIsBetter.com). And other existing sites are tailoring their content to step up their game (dogfart). When people requested some curvier girls, they put up great scenes with Brooke Wylde and Angela White, whose huge tits translated to huge hits. Those were 2 of my favorite 1on1 scenes, and I know Angela's has been ranked as one of the best to date by member scores. So then shortly after they began updating more often and expanding the formula, with a practically unprecedented 2 on 2, which to this point has been virtually impossible for any other IR site to do. I am optimistic they'll continue to expand and broaden their appeal which we should see including tattooed girls before too long.
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 1:06PM
^BLACKED is really a major force in porn right now, Greg has single-handedly reshaped the prospects for IR porn in the 2010's and beyond.
Okay, let the guessing games begin, lol. I usually don't anymore for either site since my record is worse than the Houston Texans, but I'll take a shot this time and say Samantha Rone.
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 1:33PM
^^^I would be more optimistic if it were not for Lansky choosing to hide Layna's tattoo and apparently doing the same by a different method with Sydney in the next update. It seems to me that he's making a pretty clear statement. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/18/2015 1:33:32 PM
He's got a good system going, I'd think he'd cautiously expand or at least consider it. One key would be, among others, top directors. There would seem to be a wide variety of genres he could expand into were he of that mind and the quality he's bringing has really elevated the playing field. They and the Hard-X Group are way ahead of the curve right now. They should heed the recent Elegant Angel example though, man did that tank fast. Silicone Is Evil, Razors Aren't Much Better
This week's scene is a perfect example of why I love Blacked, they always introduce me to new girls that I've never heard of and put on awesome scenes with them. I'm guessing Naomi Woods for this weeks mystery update.
