I like the idea of Blacked Raw, but I sincerely hope they'll be releasing 4K video.
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Posted - Oct 6 2017 : 7:14PM
^ Does 4K quality really matter if the scenes are shot in dark rooms with poor lighting? That's my takeaway from the trailer-the visual quality of these scenes looks poor to me, but that's what you get with "amateur style," right? Personally, the thing I love about Blacked/Tushy/Vixen the most is that the lighting, colors, etc. of every scene is perfect, no other site/studio is comparable as far as I'm concerned. So if this site is going to be the opposite of that, well then, Blacked Raw is not my cup o' tea.
^ I agree with you 100%. The lighting currently used on BLACKED is exactly what I prefer, so I'm not too keen on the dimness of the scenes from what I have seen so far of BLACKEDRaw. However, I believe we should abstain from judgment until launch since, after all, we have only witnessed 1:43 minutes of footage thus far.
I don't know, I think creatively is pretty tied to art. Maybe if you are talking about a craftsmen like a jeweler or something, and I'd be curious what kind of art pornography could be compared to. Artists can have styles, sure, but the best ones can do many different things with their style. I'm not seeing much of that anywhere in porn let alone Lansky. I should also clarify that I am not actually denying Lansky the label of "artist:, because there's good art and bad art so the term doesn't really signify anything significant. But Lansky seems to be on a crusade to get porn taken seriously as art, and if I'm going to take him seriously as an artist or take porn seriously as art, someone, if not him, in this industry should be trying to push themselves creatively, because creativity is largely stagnant in the industry. I'm not actually even saying the bar should be raised very high, but the bar is pretty low. IF you compare the world of porn to say music, it'd be ike every song ever made having a canned Casio beat underneath it.The Howl/Scream wasn't the only thing Munch painted. And if it was, it was unique. Anyway I'm finding it pretty ridiculous to compare a pornographer to a great painter, and I'm not really saying they need to aspire to that. But honestly I'm not even seeing very minimal efforts to push into new directions, which, if porn is a serious art as Lansky claims, it should. And for what it's worth I don't care too much about pornographers advancing porn as art, I would just like it if there was a pornographer who could manage to consistently make watching a beautiful woman getting fucked not boring enough that the fast forward button wasn't an essential tool.
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SirJerksAlot Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 6 2017 : 10:05PM
Why do you need 4k for porn? I'd rather they invest their money in the hottest women.
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SirJerksAlot Deactivated User
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[/quote]And for what it's worth I don't care too much about pornographers advancing porn as art, I would just like it if there was a pornographer who could manage to consistently make watching a beautiful woman getting fucked not boring enough that the fast forward button wasn't an essential tool. [/quote]You nailed it. It really is that simple. Too many directors try "cutesy" or weird crap that is ridiculous and just un-sexy.
Go to the website, but turn off your ad-blocker first. Someone said there is a trailer on a pop-up window when you go there, if your ad-blocker is off.
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myth084 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 7 2017 : 5:38AM
Seems to be a better version of Blacked!
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Posted - Oct 7 2017 : 8:59AM
you have to give an email and you receive the trailer on your mailbox
Before I forget, I don't want to get any hopes up, but I would think this could be an ideal site to have raceplay. It does not need to be a staple, but they definitely should not run from it all the time. DickDrainers is KILLING it with raceplay. Matter of fact, if the did incorporate some raceplay, I would specifically not want them to make it a staple, such that it just becomes the new formula to replace the old. It should only be now and then, depending on the talent and only when they are both enthusiastic about it. But besides that, I hope to see more general experimentation overall. This should be where they do some blowbang scenes, some oral only scenes, massage scenes, selfie-scenes that incorporate more video captured by the performers own mobile devices. I would like to see reverse-blowbang too, multiple chicks versus 1 dick. A legit deepthroat competition. Lansky recently tweeted he would pay the first follower 1 grand if they identified the new chick on his IG. How about put up 1 grand extra for the chick who deepthroat's Dredd or Mandingo - or if they all fail, whoever did the best!
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SirJerksAlot Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 7 2017 : 8:05PM
Please....no. DF and other sites already feature some of that stuff. Who gets off on oral only scenes? They're like a sugarless cake without frosting. No payoff, unless you really like looking at lots of dicks and other guys' cum.
It can be. Depends on a lot of factors. The art, the artist, how experienced they are, their influences, their style, their focus, their effort, contractual obligations, deadlines and many other factors. I think where the disconnect lies is in the definition of the term "artist" or "art." One definition of art is "a person skilled at a particular task or occupation." Another is also "a person who practices any of the various creative arts, such as a sculptor, novelist, poet, or filmmaker." Last I checked, Lansky was a filmmaker. Attempting to separate "filmmaker" from "pornographic filmmaker" is splitting hairs, IMO. A pornographic filmmaker is still a filmmaker for all intents and purposes. As far as, "the best ones can do many different things with their style." You answered your own question with the keyword "best" (for the record, I am not stating that Lansky doesn't fall into that category as he clearly is one of the best pornographic directors at the moment). As far as, "I'm not seeing much of that anywhere in porn let alone Lansky." That's fine that you aren't "seeing" that. The "eye test," however, is very subjective and one of the biggest flaws of us as humans. Our eyes lie to us constantly and consistently. They at best, aren't very trustworthy in the face of factual evidence. Not saying yours are doing just that in this particular instance, but in general, our eyes aren't very proficient at processing data and we have far better ways to measure such things at our disposal. Just something to be aware of. As far as, "if I'm going to take him seriously as an artist or take porn seriously as art," well, then it's good that something being defined as art doesn't rely on your subjective "eye test," eh? Otherwise only things you deemed art would be considered "art," which is nonsensical hubris and purely ego driven rhetoric. Regardless of that, like has already previously stated, I don't believe you need to constantly be "pushing yourself" or innovating new and "exciting" dimensions to be considered an artist or to be making art. If that were the case, there would be very, very few artists that would have actually existed throughout human history. In your opinion, the bar may be low, but others may have a different interpretation of what their eyes are telling them. Lastly, there's no reason to compare it to music since it's literally film, which is defined as art. A lot of what you type of in your last sentence could easily be attributed to "porn decay." Back when I first started watching porn, I rarely if ever fast forwarded because it was fresh and new. As you watch more and more porn, you become more and more desensitized, and quite frankly, more picky. More critical of minor things that didn't used to bug you. Etc. Taking a break seems to be a temporary fix to this phenomenon.
From Melvyn : Before I forget, I don't want to get any hopes up, but I would think this could be an ideal site to have raceplay. It does not need to be a staple, but they definitely should not run from it all the time. DickDrainers is KILLING it with raceplay. Matter of fact, if the did incorporate some raceplay, I would specifically not want them to make it a staple, such that it just becomes the new formula to replace the old. It should only be now and then, depending on the talent and only when they are both enthusiastic about it. Excellent idea ! If the talent is O.K. with raceplay, why not ? It's only a porn fantasy. In the end, it would need Lansky's approval.
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Posted - Oct 8 2017 : 3:59AM
Too much talk for nothing. Things are already settle so talking about what should be, what u hope or not is pointless. Just wait & see in 17 days or so to see if this new site is good or not and in what it is different from Blacked.
^ It's not expectations might lead to understand what customers want from there if they're already there it's all good , if they're not they can still steer . I have an issue not just on raw but here on raw is particularly troubling such as this one, the actress is clearly paying attention to instructions rather than the fucking , it ruins the scene putting it as very clearly acted especially when the actress says sometrhing right after that , it's already annoying in regular scenes (why they don't give those while on close ups with the genitals or anything else and her face isn't visible I don't know) I mean on a regualar scene a director is supposed to be there in a raw scene he's not , yes we all know there is one but the set up says it's not , at least that's my understanding anyway look where she's looking , it's not the camera it's someone or something out of sight , for instructions it would seem :
You forget that DF is typically very bad. I can always tell it's a DF production even if there was no watermark on the video. I can tell within the first 3 seconds, even absent any titles or logos too. Once in a blue moon they get it right, but overall it just turns me off. It's a brand recognition thing and for me theirs is quite off-putting.I like watching a pretty chick give head 1 on 1. Women have beautiful faces that are a pleasure to look at. Blowbangs don't interest me, but I know they are popular and it only makes sense that Blacked finally offer more than standard sex which they've securely dominated for about 2 years now (their 1st year was a debut and they needed to establish the brand and find their footing). But yeah to answer your question more pointedly as to who gets off on oral only scenes - LOTS of people. Blowbang scenes aren't for me, but clearly they are popular as they remain among the most requested category throughout this forum. I could just as easily ask who gets off on gangbang or blowbang, just cuz those categories do practically nothing for me. But obviously a lot of people enjoy them. I think Blacked would benefit a lot from diversifying categories on Raw. If anyone is such a stickler for 1on1, there's always the main site.
^^ LCF, the look in her face to me says something quite different. I understand where you're coming from about not liking scripted dialogue, such as we see throughout porn (usually lines that are unconvincingly delivered right after a cut). It's one of the reasons why gonzo feels more organic. Females can still be encouraged to say things, but not stressed to read cards verbatim. But anyhow, the look in her face appears her eyes are a bit glazed over, with that half-lidded "middle distance" stare. She's in the zone of sexuality. Or it's just good acting. She COULD be reading lines on a cue card, but I somehow doubt it. I think her eyes would be more focused.
^ Man that's a frame , she's paying attention elsewhere for too much time , I understand your point though , yet in most cases you need an effort of willing fantasy to reach out that illusion
Lately I have gravitated towards IR amateur stuff. When things get to professional it seems to predictable. I am also one of the few who don't mind condoms for IR
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Van Hinten Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 8 2017 : 1:51PM
Hope it's like Manuel Ferrara's Raw. Just pure amateur style sex. No roleplay or script. Would be a nice opposite to blacked.com By the way the domains "tushyraw.com" and "vixenraw.com" have also been registered. Probably for a 2018 & 2019 launch, if blackedraw.com is successful. Lansky doing the same launch strategy he did with blacked (2014), tushy (2015) & vixen (2016). Edited by - Van Hinten on 10/8/2017 1:52:44 PM
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SirJerksAlot Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 8 2017 : 10:34PM
Exactly. This stuff is like a drug and it actually changes your brain. Not permanently, though, I don't think. Taking a break is good, like you say. I've watched too much and been through, and beyond most of the "stages". I'm down to a narrow window of what gets me going, but this site looks like it might hit the spot. Maybe you should consider this a warning, kids.
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Posted - Oct 8 2017 : 10:42PM
Not sure how you are interpreting all that from just that one pic. All I know is that a performer looking directly into the camera is a very bad thing, and I hope it does not happen during the sex part of these scenes.
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Posted - Oct 8 2017 : 10:47PM
I know DF is bad 95 percent of the time, and I guess I don't know why you would ask for scenes that you have no interest in. I for one hope this is basically a better version of Brothalovers.
I don't think you are really grasping what I mean when I say I'm not taking what Lansky doing seriously as art. This is not the same as saying I don't believe it is art. I'm also clearly making a distinction between good art and bad art. Art can be non creative as you say, and that is IMO a pretty clear indicator of bad art. (or art that I'm not going to take seriously as art). Just because something is categorized as art doesn't give it entitlement to be taken seriously. A person can smear shit on a wall and call it art, and some people will take it seriously and some won't. There's no right or wrong here. If you thjink Laskny is a master artist and filmmaker, that's a fine opinion. I disagree. It holds even less water if I were to categorize porn as "films". On your last point, you are projecting. Don't assume everyone experiences things the same way you do. There's never been a time when I've appreciated the way porn is made as a whole. There are rare exceptions and obviously, I'm interested in the erotic aspects of it and the women, but it's rare for me to find a porn film that really shoots women and sex in a way that is appealing to me. Actually Lansky almost gets there... the women generally look very good in his scenes but he rarely shoots the sex in a way that appeals to me. Again this is taste and not a matter of right or wrong, but if porn artists took their art more seriously there would be more variety and everyone who has an interest in erotica would find a style available that appeals to them, as is the case with many other arts like film or music. If you are going to insist that this is the case with porn, I can assure you that is most certainly not true. Why is that not true? Lack of creativity. Edited by - RobinWood on 10/9/2017 2:18:47 AM
Not sure how you are interpreting all that from just that one pic. All I know is that a performer looking directly into the camera is a very bad thing, and I hope it does not happen during the sex part of these scenes.
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I have to take exception to this for at least a couple reasons. 1) Eye contact with a woman is mesmerizing. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. 2) Blacked by design could almost never do this because it is narrative/story based, and looking into the camera is generally regarded as "breaking the fourth wall" which motion picture storytellers typically regard as a sin. HOWEVER if you pay attention, in both mainstream cinema and on Blacked, there are instances where we get eye contact with characters. Some shots are designed specifically to put us in the 1st person perspective of a character. Pay attention and you will find these shots. Granted, they are more rare, but they exist. "See Me Now" - Dracula 1992 by Coppola 3) If we accept these shots and understand how they can be used to enhance a narrative/story based film, why could they not enhance a sex tape / homemade style of video? In the real world, people make sex tapes all the time and look directly at their video capture device. They like to see themselves on their phone screen or their flipped around handcam frame viewer. This exhibitionism is what I like a lot about amateur/homemade videos. It's very appealing seeing people uninhibited and unleashing their inner freak and excited to show it off. These are just a couple reasons why I look forward to more eye-contact for the audience with BlackedRaw. Also, if you want to see a wonderful example of this in interracial amateur, I can give you a link to a verified public profile of a popular couple's sex tapes who are getting lots of raves by viewers. I would post the link here but I don't know if mods would allow it since it is to a "tube" site, even though this particular example is authorized and publicly available by the original creator. If anyone knows, or if a mod can advise, I'd like to share it. Otherwise anyone interested can just ask me and I'll pm you.
^^ And yet you asked for a comparison to an actual "art." This wouldn't really be much of a debate if you just included "IMO" every once and a while in your thoughts instead of parading them around as fact. So I guess you were just a porn connoisseur from the start, eh? Very well then. I disagree with you on your last point. I don't think it's a matter of just "taking things more seriously." Your tastes, like mine, are never going to 100% align with someone else's. Even though I am as staunch a Lansky proponent as anyone, even my taste isn't exactly in line with his. And that goes for all directors. I'm afraid that no porn would be exactly to my liking unless I created it myself and I feel it's the same with anyone else. Lastly, I believe you overrate creativity. Either that or you aren't aware that creativity isn't the only component, or possibly even the most important component, in making good art. There are a lot of other things that are just as important or even more important. Edited by - Gunslinger on 10/9/2017 11:07:38 AM
It's not that one pic alone, I just chose one to show what I mean. Also it all depends on the set up, in many home made shoot , the performers are also those handling the camera , sometimes they look at it to make sure they're in front of it, some others the just want to let the man see the scene from the other side when he rewatch it. Important thing in Raw scenes is that the only people supposed to be there are those involved , the very moment you make it clear there's actually a director staging the shoot all the time you ruin it , she has at least to cover her face with her hair or fake watching back so that we don't know what is in her sight it's already bad in a staged regular porn scene go figure
Gunslingher, if you need people to add IMO to every post they make on an message board, this internet thing will be a long hard struggle for you. You don't value creativity in art as much as I do, we can agree to disagree. Oh, IMO. Also, the sky is blue.
^^ I disagree that them looking into the camera ruins the scene, especially if BLACKEDRaw is going for a different feel than BLACKED is. Also, we don't really know the context involved in these BLACKEDRaw scenes to know if looking into the camera breaks some kind of "immersion" yet.
^ What? I didn't say that looking at the camera on Blackedraw or anywhere else would ruin a scene, I said looking at soomeone out of sight would , especialluy in a scene pretending to be unscripted , there's nothing hotter than a woman cuming while watching you (in real life it's eye contact , or even kissing while cumming , I call it "sharing your pleasure") same thing when receiving a creampie (again eye contact or a kiss , still sharing) or even to pull out and have her finish so that she has my pleasure in her own hands or mouth and decide exactly where and when, the ultimate sharing. but that's me... Edited by - LCF on 10/10/2017 9:14:30 AM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 10 2017 : 1:09PM
That's something that actually happens in unscripted amateur porn. Often a woman's husband, boyfriend, or someone else is shooting the footage. From what I've seen that doesn't detract from the passion of the sex, which tends to be much higher imo than what's typically allowed in mainstream porn.
OK so it's definitely something I'll be looking our for as the trailer had some things I liked and scenes I'll def be watching, but I'm also somewhat disappointed.... Davin King is UNWATCHABLE for me.. not a fan of him in BLACKED and thankfully he hasn't had many scenes there because they're all instaskips as far as I'm concerned, but in that trailer he's been paired with some of my favorite performers... SMH... Dude is just busted and distracting in his scenes to even look at for me... Sorry. 😐 Hopefully he doesn't become a BlackedRaw mainstay. 😬
Yes but that's true amateur stuff , and we know that one is her husband/boyfriend/cuckold and whatnot it's part of being amateur , but in this case they are professional porn performers , the raw fantasy lasts up until you clearly show it's not
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Posted - Oct 10 2017 : 5:00PM
^^What it will come down to for me is the style of the sex. I'm hoping that it's not just typical gonzo sex. If it's to my liking, the sex will make the raw fantasy believable to me.
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SirJerksAlot Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 10 2017 : 5:37PM
I agree. I'd rather be more of a "fly on the wall" watching this happen. I'd like to believe the performers are into each other. I'd like to pretend there is no director even there and I don't want them looking into a camera at me, I want them looking at each other.
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Posted - Oct 10 2017 : 5:54PM
I have to take exception to this for at least a couple reasons. 1) Eye contact with a woman is mesmerizing. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. 2) Blacked by design could almost never do this because it is narrative/story based, and looking into the camera is generally regarded as "breaking the fourth wall" which motion picture storytellers typically regard as a sin. HOWEVER if you pay attention, in both mainstream cinema and on Blacked, there are instances where we get eye contact with characters. Some shots are designed specifically to put us in the 1st person perspective of a character. Pay attention and you will find these shots. Granted, they are more rare, but they exist. "See Me Now" - Dracula 1992 by Coppola 3) If we accept these shots and understand how they can be used to enhance a narrative/story based film, why could they not enhance a sex tape / homemade style of video? In the real world, people make sex tapes all the time and look directly at their video capture device. They like to see themselves on their phone screen or their flipped around handcam frame viewer. This exhibitionism is what I like a lot about amateur/homemade videos. It's very appealing seeing people uninhibited and unleashing their inner freak and excited to show it off. These are just a couple reasons why I look forward to more eye-contact for the audience with BlackedRaw. Also, if you want to see a wonderful example of this in interracial amateur, I can give you a link to a verified public profile of a popular couple's sex tapes who are getting lots of raves by viewers. I would post the link here but I don't know if mods would allow it since it is to a "tube" site, even though this particular example is authorized and publicly available by the original creator. If anyone knows, or if a mod can advise, I'd like to share it. Otherwise anyone interested can just ask me and I'll pm you.
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I just re-watched the Makenna-Jason scene on Blacked. She looked into the camera(or at the shooter) briefly two or three times and she obviously wasn't supposed to. There is no reason a girl should be looking into the camera back at "you" as a character unless the scene is a straight up POV. Some people like POV, I guess. I don't.
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Van Hinten Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 10 2017 : 6:02PM
Can someone please post a link to the BlackedRaw Promo Video/Teaser ? I disabled my ad-blocker, but i'm still not able to see it.
I definitely know it Plus the eyes are one of the first things I notice on a woman. Watching the trailer, in parts of Abigail, Kendra & Lana scenes they are obviously playing to the camera.
Someone said just disable your pop-up blocker for BlackedRaw and you'll get the trailer to pop up? I can't confirm this. Also, you can apply for early access (which will likely be filled already) but even if it is filled, it will still give you a link in your email to see the trailer.
^ No I said there's no need to sign in on blackedraw, it's available on blacked on a pop-up flash , such pop up wouldn't pop up with your aD-blocker enabledYou need the latest flash and to click on the black button on the upper right side on Blacked , but it's only available when you're logged in. Edited by - LCF on 10/11/2017 9:39:31 AM
You are not alone in this, dude. Davin King and Jason Luv are unwatchable for me too. Luckily we have some new male talents in BlackedRaw... James Jagger and Macana Man. I hope Lansky will hire a couple more males from american-pornstar.com and brothalovers.com... and bring back Lowtru and Julio Gomez.
Posted - Oct 6 2017 : 5:52PM
Plus the eyes are one of the first things I notice on a woman.