A recent posting on an escort message board caught my eye. The escort in question said she would be more than happy to perform oral sex for black clients, but she wouldn't have intercourse with them. Personally, I'm of the opinion that a woman in the sex industry, whether escort or porn performer, has the absolute right to make the call about whom she'll do what with, and for how much, and she can use whatever criteria she wishes. The posting did call to mind, though, the question of whether there are any female porn performers who are okay with giving blowjobs to black guys but who won't fuck them? IIRC, Cherry Mirage/Stryc-9 would suck black guys and take them up her ass, but she wouldn't have vaginal intercourse with them because she thought they were all too big for her comfort. I can't think of any others off the top of my head. Can you?
I saw an porn interview of a woman that would to both oral and anal but drew the line at kissing on the lips.
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 5 2008 : 8:45PM
Sounds to me like this escort isn't concerned about the "size" issue (which is such BULLSHIT anyway. If size is a concern then apply it across the board to ALL clients, not just black guys). To me it seems like she is buying into the stereotype that her black clients will be more likely to have STDs and she feels safer just giving oral (even though its 99% likely she uses a condom for sex). There are also some attitudes that black clients fuck "rougher" or "harder". Don't know if that's true or not. With regards to porn stars adopting such rules, I don't really know of any. Usually when they say "no IR", they mean no black dicks for anything. At least Cherry Mirage was a trooper and took it up her ass, though! :)
Nah, I think there's some residual prejudice there. I've never sucked a dick or had one stuck into me, but I suspect it's easier for a girl to give blowjobs than to actually fuck someone. After all, there are lots of strippers and escorts who'll give blowjobs but won't go any farther, no matter how much you beg and how many wrappers you put on your dick. ;) So I suspect that some women -- who for let's say personal reasons and leave it at that, so the discussion doesn't rapidly deteriorate, okay? -- can rationalize giving blowjobs to guys they wouldn't fuck.
There was a prostitute that was on Howard Stern once that said she didn't like to fuck black guys because they fucked "too good". She said they banged hard and lasted too long so she didn't like having sex with them for work. She liked guys that were easy on her and came quick so she could do more guys in a day more easily. I've always remembered that interview because it's the best excuse/reason I ever heard a white woman giving for not wanting to have sex with a black guy.
^^^^^ DRAXXX - I heard this same sentiment echoed by working girls in a few countries during my travels overseas. Some of the girls didn't want to do us, (black American servicemen), because they were lazy hookers and we were deemed a little too "energetic", and a little too demanding in bed. Girls have actually said these things to me about other girls. Many of the bar girls who took allnighters wanted guys who were mellow, naive, or looked like they were gonna get sloppy drunk and give them an easy night of it. A quick throw, (if that, if he hasn't passed out already), and then he's snoring the rest of the night. She's then free to sleep, chill with her friends, take care of her kids, track her mutual funds, whatever. For better or worse, the brothers had the rep of being in it for business. She was gonna EARN that night's take, and many girls just didn't want the hassle of getting macked till the sun came up. It was the exact opposite when we went places where it wasn't about business, and it was real hookups. There, many of the girls went looking specifically for us, for the same reasons. I guess reputation can cut both ways. BSD
That line of thinking doesn't actually bother me because if a girl is doing it for money and she isn't really into the sex anyway it makes sense to go the easiest route. I don't see that as having some sort of racial bias as some porn stars display but just doing what's the easiest way to do business. In porn all the guys are there to business and it's not a given that someone like Brian Pumper is going to be a more exhausting sex partner than someone like Marco Banderass. In porn when a girl makes the decision to not bang black guys it's all because of some lame hang up on race. Not performance, not size, not stamina, not looks, not intensity...just the color of their skin. And when they make up excuses why they don't do black guys it almost always sounds ridiculous.
For your information I did a scene with Nate Turner for Justin Slayer. Also sucked out 10 to 13 IR male performers for Mike John. So get your facts straight before you go making assumptions about me and my performances. Thanks!
BSD....That was funnier than hell, but oh so true. Now you know a brotha is going to always try to dig out anyway, but when his "money" is on the table...oh goddamn. Somebody's pussy is in for a ride because he damn sure is going to try to get every dime out of that investment...and some change. LOL
RICO - Damn skippy. Girl looked right at me and said: "You guys just wanna fuck too much! Makes my pussy sore." I didn't know what to say. I told her, "Nah darlin', you got me confused with C.J. He's the one that dogged you and tried to turn you out, and wore your ass out all night. And the next day. And the next night." But them girls weren't buyin' it. They knew better. BSD
You know what's even more insulting then that. Women that will do fake ir scenes(Freak of cock and all that shit) but won't shot a scene with a real black man. Try and explain that logic. Now, i'm not naive, I understand that the game is the game. Most of the ladies are just playing the game. But if that isn't " rubbing it in your face" then I dont know what it.
10-13 IR male performers? I suppose they were all black performers? I would have love to have seen 1 or 2 asians amongst those 10-13 but I guess there's not much of a market for asian IR male performers. Shame.
Plenty of good name pornstars shoot vidoes in Japan.
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Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 8:21PM
To be honest I cant see why any girl would do interracial in the way the go about in todays market. Its marketed in the lowest form of class of almost any form of porn today.
ROYAL TEE - Yeah, that used to chap me, too. I was a big fan of Carmen Kinsley and Cody Lane, and neither of them would go near a REAL black dick attached to a REAL black body, on screen. If that was their particular thing, I shrugged it off and gave 'em the benefit of the doubt. No big thang. Then I see them both involved in that stupidity with those brothas on FreaksOfCock, and I'm wonderin' WTF?!, and I got mad. That's when I decided I was gettin' too worked up over this stuff and it was only porn, and I needed to get a grip. BSD
^^I see where you're coming from benderset, I find the "Tiny white teens get their asses torn apart by massive black men #17"-type titles pretty terrible and insulting too, but don't you think you're overstating it a bit? I mean, essentially there are porngirls who are like: Yeah, you can beat me, cum in my ass 7 times and make me shit it out into a glass and drink it, strangle me until I pass out, I'll lick your hairy ass and let you fart on my face, you can stick two dicks in my ass and one in my pussy at the same time, I'll lick your dirty feet, but THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD EVER HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK MAN!" That sounds a bit more fucked up, don't you think? [edit: corrected user reference, sentence fragment] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/6/2008 8:39:43 PM Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/6/2008 8:43:00 PM
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Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 8:52PM
Caring who someone else will or will not have sex with is more fucked up. It isn't even worth thinking about.
If that's true, then caring enough to post about whether or not someone else cares who someone else will or will not have sex with is even more fucked up. But really, it's not about caring who someone will or won't have sex with. It's about an industry - the only industry in the world, mind you - where it's actually okay to say that you won't work with someone outside of your race. THAT'S what's fucked up.
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Posted - Apr 7 2008 : 5:52AM
And the Mike John scene was great, the look in your eyes when the first black guy blew a load was phenomenal!
I agree 100%. I've pretty much given up the whole "dodger" debate. Ladies are free to do as they wish and it's not really that important to me. But those Freak of Cock scenes just chap my ass. :)
Since when does porn need to be classy? It's better when it's not and without the BM/WF genre porn would be very boring, at least for me for sure! Btw, mike john had the chance but he blew it? I mean why only a blowbang scene?
Wow! That sounds pretty strange coming from someone on a messageboard with posters who care about when a girl is going to do anal, caring about a girl getting implants, caring about the amount of tattoos a girl has, caring about if a girls is wearing shoes in a scene, caring about if a girl is an escort on the side, worrying about if a girls is going to do a gangbang, caring about if a girl lost weight, caring about if a girl has butt implants, caring about if a girl is "really into it", caring about if a girl is "over-exposed", and all the other ridiculous stuff some people here apparently spend a lot of time thinking about. Yet this topic is "fucked up"?
Yeah, I see what you're saying. IR sex isn't aimed at the high brow porn consumer the way stuff like CUM SHITTERS, BITCH BLOW ME, CREAMY STINKSTARS, I WANNA GET FACE FUCKED, RIP ME A NEW ONE, DRINK FROM THE STINK, BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS, TEEN CUM DUMPSTERS, OVERFLOWING ASSHOLES, and the other classy stuff being done in today's porn. It is hard to imagine how the usually proper and conservative white women of porn would lower themselves to do black men in movies that are "marketed in the lowest form of class of almost any form of porn today". I find it highly disgusting. I wish those white women would show some class!!!
Why do you show up in every thread where race and porn is being discussed and repeat your usual boring tripe? Why the fuck do you care what people choose to discuss? Everybody in this thread has been civil until your dumb ass stepped in. I find it ironic that a guy who not so long ago went loony and made a flurry of senseless posts wants to lecture people on what they should/shouldn't post. Please go fuck yourself.
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 3:35AM
Thanks for the personal attacks, may this and all repetitive IR threads get locked. Why is it that no IR thread ever talks about IR movies? Why is it always sobbing about why certain people won't have sex with black men? When any porn starlet starts posting in these threads saying how glad she is that she started doing IR and she owes it all to some forum posters I will stop making fun of these pointless and repetitive threads. Till then everyone is just neeched. It' all been discussed to death before.
Edited by - conquistador on 4/8/2008 3:40:44 AM
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 1:03PM
totally true about working girls not wanting to get worn out by a dominating brotha. for sure the brotha's get their money's worth if they're gonna pay for the pussy. the working girls body is her business. can't really blame her for not wanting to incur too much wear & tear. kinda like a rental car... if you own the business wouldn't you rather rent to old people who generally drive slow and take it easy rather than rambunctious teenagers that tend to tear up the vehicles (regardless of race)? the issue about porn girls not doing interracial has been beaten to death in countless threads. there's a multitude of reasons for some girls decision... and why should we fans really care? are we really missing out if a certain performer won't do interracial? isn't there plenty of IR on the market for us to jack to without disparaging some poor girl over a personal decision she's made? keep in mind, some porn girls that don't do interracial on screen actually fuck black men in their personal life. some, i imagine, may even have black boyfriends/husbands. (maybe we need a thread to list these performers). i would think the logic behind that would be that black fans will still watch porn that doesn't include black perfomers, but there are plenty of white (and other race) fans that refuse to watch a scene with any blacks at all - male or female. so, i understand the logic that a girl may believe she would have a more wide range of fans if she doesn't do black guys on vid. oh, and just for the record, freaksofcock has to be the most idiotic website i've ever scene! does that really turn anyone on enough to jack to or is it more like a traffic accident that web surfers are compelled to rubberneck? Edited by - narcissus on 4/8/2008 1:04:47 PM
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 1:45PM
Apparently you're anti-IR. Because out of all the threads on this forum that you could choose to chime in on to give your opinion on you choose this one and threads like it. Now I would have to wonder why anyone would go to such great lengths to say IR posting is pointless if at the very least the subject matter didn't fundamentally bother them? Because I haven't seen you posting about other subjects that have been talked about repeatedly. And unless you can give evidence showing that you're consistently anti-repetitive posting on any given topic as opposed to just anti-IR posting then I'll stick to my original opinion of your posting on this subject which is that you're anti-IR.
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 1:54PM
Try doing some searches. Any IR threads are merely repeating history, no new ground will get covered. Have fun. Edited by - conquistador on 4/8/2008 2:17:46 PM
Many of the threads regarding many topics are "pointless" if you use the same type of logic you're trying to apply here. I've seen many threads regarding breast implants were posters time after time chime in and ask "why?" and give their opinions on how the girl is "ruined" and how the implants are "awful" and how they have no desire to watch anymore performances from that girl...without even seeing the boob job. These threads are equally "pointless" because I don't think any girl ever changed their mind about a boob job from reading a post from "ILUVNATURALS-112" or whoever saying the breasts she wants to enhance are "perfect" as is. I personally think at least some of the IR threads and the discussions they bring up are valid. Yeah, we all know a girl should have sex with whoever she wants to but the reasons some of the girls give for not having sex with black men can sometimes run the gamit from lame to ridiculous to just plain lying. I think those reasons/comments can be worthy of discussion. I feel naming a fav porn girl who hasn't done IR yet and they'd like to see her do it is harmless and worthy of discussion and no different than the multiple "Has she done anal yet?" threads. If some people feel those or any discussions on IR are "pointless" or a waste of time then I have to wonder why they'd waste their time reading and posting in "pointless" waste of time threads?
Was gonna chime in on that, but Draxxx seems to have that covered. Very strong argument pattern, quite rare on these internets. It used to kinda bother me about the "I'll let you piss on my chest, eat your ass, swallow 5 guys loads, holy-shit-get-that-black-guy-out-of-here-types" I mean, as far as the size issue is concerned, it would be easier to say "Mr. Director I don't do huge guys in general" "I'm not attracted to black men" So you are attracted to every man you've ever performed with? And some of them did Ron Jeremy (the old school dodgers)....(no offense to Mr. Hedgehog) And the girls who say they don't do it out of respect to family/fans I just completely LOL at that. She's a porn star...meaning she get paid to fuck on tape, and she's not worried about daddy seeing somebody's dick in his little girl's ass, as long as it's not black ? So as far as "dodgers" go, it's more comedy to me than anything. I mean, I've never heard of (In American Porn) Black or Asian or Latin chicks who only worked with members of their own race (they'd go broke probably), so the conversation invariably ends up where it is. In the end, the chicks I like most in porn end up being pretty open-minded, (maybe some of that has to do with alot of them being European...) And currently porn has no shortage of amazing black chicks, so I'm on cloud 9 they way I see it. An interesting development is that Japan, long obsessed with everything American, has been on the IR bandwagon as well for a few years now, with tiny Japanese A/V stars who moan and scream with their normal co-stars, almost dying when they take on the black dudes. Kinda feel bad for em, actually. LMAO
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 5:09AM
I think the better attitude to have about it is to see how ridiculous it is: some girls will gangbang 30 lifetime rejects and swallow their cum from a bowl, but have sex with a black man? Hell no!
So I am told but without having to actually over to Japan, how can I get hold of some of these vids? Are there any well known online sites that sell them?
The Japanese seem to be white male dodgers, there are scores of Japanese BM-AF IR titles (and quite a few AM-WF ones) but you'll be hard pushed to find even a single WM-AF title (they actually do exist but are exceedingly rare). Nor have I ever seen a single AM-BF scene, be they American, European or Asian. But that doesn't seem to bother anyone.
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Apr 22 2008 : 7:12PM
LMAO!! I was just in Miami over the weekend, and I went to Belladonna's party at Prive. The music in the VIP room was just amazing. Their DJ is every bit as good as the Friday night DJ at Area in Hollywood. Anyway, Lexi Love and I were dancing together at Bella's booth, and I couldn't take my eyes off of an extremely hot guy wearing a white sleeveless hoodie, white tshirt, and designer jeans. He was dancing with several different girls in his group, so I assumed he wasn't taken. A couple different times, he saw me checking him out and gave a knowing smile. I swear, if I hadn't already known that someone was gonna hang with me at the hotel that night, I would have invited him back to the hotel with me. Instead, I went over and slipped my business card to him and told him if he was ever in California, to give me a call, and some friends and I would take him out to some clubs. What does this have to do with this thread. Well, he was black, and I actually remember looking at him and looking at how good he was bumpin' and grindin' up on the chicks he was dancing with, and thinking that if he could fuck half as good as he could dance, damnnnn... I wanted him. I like fantasizing that all black guys have huge cocks that they know how to use in ways that would tear me apart and would actually somewhat challenge my ability to deepthroat, but unfortunately, I know from experience that that isn't always true. ANYWAY, BSD - thinking about you up all night fucking just sent a chill down my back. ;)
If escorts are in the service industry, then aren't they required by law to service whoever comes to them? Isn't it discrimination to refuse service to someone on basis of their race?
Of course it is. And that's where this discussion always ends up. Now you'll have the next poster (or maybe the one after that) say "well no, it's not about the race, it's about the size of black guys" (which is a generalization based on race, and therefore racism) or they'll say "it's not about the race, it's about the different sexual attitudes of black guys" (which, again, is a generalization based on race, and therefore racism). Or you'll have a poster come on and say "but they're not obligated to service them the same way that you are in another job, because it's not the same when you're an escort" and then we come back to the argument that escorting, then, isn't a legit profession, and then everyone will start arguing whether it's prostitution or not, whether they're getting paid to fuck or to provide a service, whether it's legal or not, etc. All this to avoid the original claim that choosing not to get with brothers is legit based on some reason other than being racist against black people. And then it all comes down to one of the three fallacies in which racism is usually framed: a) racism is seen in terms of individual, violent acts - "I'm not part of the KKK, I've never lynched anybody, so I'm not racist." b) racism is deflected as other issues - "It's not about him/her being of another race, it's about insert quality here that actually has to do with race or culture}." c) the systemic nature of racism is ignored - "Sure blacks have a tougher time of making it in this business, but that has nothing to do with me not working with them." (Actually, it has everything to do with you not working with them. That's why they have a tougher time of making it in this business.) And that's how it'll all play out. Some version of one of these false arguments. Or many versions. Watch, you'll see. One last thought: imagine having any other job in the world besides prostitute/escort/porn star (remembering that the legality of the first two, at least in the USA, is being questioned) where you could say "No, I won't work with you because you're black." As if! You'd get fired before you could even say "But I'm not racist!" Think about it like that, and you'll realize how ridiculous it is that IR is even an option to put on your model card; or that you could say no to black guys (all black guys, without even checking out their equipment) as an escort. [edit: fixed brackets] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/22/2008 9:40:50 PM
TRICIA - That was a loooong time ago. At this point, thinking about me up all night fucking just gives me visions of lumbar strains, slipped discs, quad pulls, and collapsed lungs. Not to mention my embarrassment and shame, and your laughter. *Sigh* BSD
Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00
Posted - Apr 23 2008 : 6:57AM
Alright. Well, you can fantasize about me from my performing days, and I can fantasize about you from whenever it was that you still fucked chicks other than your lucky wife.
TRICIA - "Other than your lucky wife". ???? You have me SERIOUSLY CONFUSED with someone else. THAT my darling, is about as far from truth and reality as you could get. Hell, my "lucky wife" is the reason for all my sexual atrophy. Even in my marital misery, I had to burst out laughing at that one. "My Lucky Wife". I'm almost tempted to show her that one. She could use a good belly laugh too. BSD
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Posted - Apr 23 2008 : 3:01PM
She needs to realize again how lucky she is. :) I've never even met you in person, and I can see that all the way from here. I really, truly mean that.
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