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conquistador
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 2:43AM
Hi Bob,
I had a console gaming friend of mine ask me to make a gaming PC for 1,000 bucks total.
I think you will probably do way better then me at this.
Things he already has: monitor, keyboard, mouse.
I have seen you pick out some impressive systems and I have followed your advice and been very pleased.
Picking out a good case it going to be the toughest part.
If you have the time I would appreciate your help.
Also I should mention that raw parts are fine, I expressed my concern about him trying to seat a CPU but he said his brother in-law was a computer tech and would help him build it.
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 3:51PM
CQ --
Let me think on it.
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 3:59PM
Thanks Bob.
I was looking at newegg last night when I posted this. I forgot to mention that my friend lives in PA so no worries about Canadian prices.
Also, a few of the premade systems that newegg offers look like they would be great for gaming even though that is not their specific purpose.
EDIT:
also wanted to tell toy that 1,000 is the upper limit of total cost, meaning that the system must cost less then 1,000 after taxes and shipping ans insurance and so on.
And my understanding is that he actually wants to spend his whole budget so don't bother picking "budget" parts if the thing is still under 1,000.
I can think of a few things but the pc I had made this summer had budget in mind and I didn't go for anything super new like DDR3. I think you are more familiar with newer stuff then I am.
Edited by - conquistador on 8/20/2008 4:04:09 PM
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 7:04PM
CQ --
I didn’t hit your budget exactly, but close. I put this together before I saw your last post. There are always things that can be shaved (one hard drive instead of two, less RAM (my suggestion of 4GB assumed Vista at some point, etc.). Anyway, here are my suggestions within your general parameters:
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($119.99)
Power Supply Unit: SeaSonic M12 SS-600HM ATX12V / EPS12V 600W Power Supply ($139.99)
Motherboard: Foxconn P45A-S LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard ($119.99) (Click here for specs)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor ($169.99)
Memory: Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory ($87.99 )
Hard Drive 1 – System: Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD1601ABYS 160GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive ($59.99)
Hard Drive 2 – Data Storage: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB ($84.99)
Video Card: MSI R4850-512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card -- Quad Copper Heatpipe Cooling Technology ($192.99)
Optical Drive: ASUS Black 2 hex DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 2 hex DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 14X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 2 hex DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe ($36.99)
Floppy Drive: SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive ($7.99)
Total cost of components at Newegg.com (before tax and shipping): $1020.90
A couple of other items I’d suggest that exceed the budget:
After-Market CPU Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink ($49.99)
Sound Card: HT OMEGA STRIKER 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card ($79.99)
I think that this would make a fantastic all-around system -– not just a “budget gaming console”. When you build it yourself, you can get a lot of value for your dollar.

conquistador
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Hellhamster.
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 7:13PM
Thank you Bob.
 
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 8:08PM
I don't see what OS is going to be used. Does he have one already or is he going to have to buy it? That will cost.
I really wouldn't bother with the floppy at all. Jump drives are more the direction its going now. I haven't used a floppy in quite a while.
I wouldn't add the second drive either. 160 is enough for a system. If data storage is needed later external drives can be used later. They are more expensive, but can be bought at a later time.
My opinions.
conquistador
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Hellhamster.
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 8:21PM
XP. Already has a disk. Thanks Redish.
Bornyo
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Posted - Aug 20 2008 : 9:01PM
This thread is amazing and is a testament to personal growth. I can remember when Bob would post asking how to get the cupholder to retract into the tower.
:cheers:
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Zoid
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 9:44AM
After being inspired by Bob's configuration, I'd like to present the following:

  1. Foxconn P45A-S LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $119.99

  2. Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail $169.99

  3. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI - Retail $89.99 (or equivalent Mushkin)

  4. BFG Tech BFGEGTX2801024E GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $419.99

  5. HITACHI Deskstar P7K500 HDP725050GLA360 (0A35415) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $64.99

  6. LITE-ON 2 hex DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model DH-20A4P-04 - OEM $23.99

  7. Antec NeoPower 650 Blue 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - Retail $99.99

  8. COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $84.99


  9. Subtotal: $1,072.92
    Optional: COOLER MASTER Hyper Z600 RR-600-LBU1-GP CPU Cooler - Retail $69.99
    IMO, this will make a killer gaming rig the with the best video card available.
    Edited by - Zoid on 8/22/2008 9:46:20 AM
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 4:32PM
^^^
Well, the BEST gaming video card currently available is the new dual-GPU card from ATI, the [ invalid url ] -- a veritable steal from Newegg.com for between $550 and $580, depending on which manufacturer's board you pick.

conquistador
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 5:44PM
Thanks Zoid and Bob.
Right now I wouldn't recommend a BFG card to anyone as it was one of their geforce 7600gt cards that caught on fire in my last computer.
Zoid
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:31PM
Put two 280s in SLI and, I am sure, you'll beat that easily.
Zoid
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:33PM
That's unfortunate, but something tells me this can happen with any card. BGF was, however, the cheapest 280 (new one) I could find at newegg.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:37PM
Put two HD478x2's in Crossfire and the two 280s will be begging for mercy. I'm not an ATI fanboy (I couldn't care less about brands) -- just saying.
 
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:39PM
As far as Nvidia cards go, people say that EVGA and XFX get the pick of the litter from among their chips.
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:41PM
I used a SLI system for several years and at this point I am inclined to think that the absolute best use of SLI will be to get extended performance out of an aging system rather then building a new sli system.
It was frustrating to find that many games are not designed to incorporate sli optimizations in their coding.
Zoid
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:44PM
From what I've read, having quad CrossFire setup offers marginal improvement (if any). I wouldn't be surprised if 2 x 280 could still beat 2 x 487 hex 2.
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:45PM
I agree as far as XFX cards being really well made. I have had 2 XFX cards counting the 8800GT I use right now and I am very pleased with the performance of the hardware itself and all the stuff the comes in the box.
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:51PM
Bob, I'm curious why you didn't go with a MoBo that takes 1066 ram without being overclocked, as well as 1066 ram. I game pretty much constantly and have experienced more "performance bottlenecks" related to RAM and CPU then to graphics.
Or to put it another way I think it makes sense to have fast components all around and not just at the graphics board.
Zoid
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 7:58PM
Sure it makes sense, but since you provided (relatively) small budget, it makes more sense to prioritize. It was supposed to be a gaming machine, so gfx card is the most important thing (at least IMHO).
ps. I had to RMA my former EVGA 7900GT twice.
Edited by - Zoid on 8/22/2008 7:59:21 PM
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 22 2008 : 8:10PM
Yeah, but a board that doesn't have to be O.C.'d to take fast ram and 1066 ram (rather then 800) makes sense. Look at Crysis for instance, many users who complained about performance from that game had great graphics boards, but shitty cpu or slow ram. Games which utilize tons of physics processing don't rely on a graphics board heaps more then they rely on a high CPU, FSB and RAM speed.
Edited by - conquistador on 8/22/2008 8:12:58 PM
Edited by - conquistador on 8/22/2008 8:13:58 PM
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Aug 23 2008 : 12:31AM
In making suggestions for a budget system, my thought was to start with a solid yet reasonably priced 1333-FSB motherboard that had a good feature set and work from there. Even though the Mushkin memory that I suggested is DDR2-800, its latency timings (5-4-4-12) are lower than usual for RAM that runs on 1.8V (typically 5-5-5-18).
I chose Mushkin over G.Skill primarily because I use that memory myself.
conquistador
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Posted - Aug 23 2008 : 1:57AM
Makes sense, i was curious.
Zoid
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Posted - Aug 23 2008 : 7:08AM
Crysis is the kind of game that will drain all components of any juice on high settings, and I am taking about quad-core/quad-sli systems with uber-giga CPUs and RAM. I believe that having 1066 ram instead of 800 Ram will not make a slightest bit of difference there -- at least not the kind that you would actually notice in the game -- so you'll be paying $30 more for something that's only faster on paper. On the other hand, having nVidia 280 or ATI 487 hex 2 instead of single 4850 will make a huge difference for a game.
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